Knicks · KNICKS Vs Bulls: 1:00PM ABC - No chance to win? BULLSH*T (page 31)

nixluva wrote:

loweyecue wrote:JR, Novak, Tyson completely lost on offense because in Woody's system there is NO role for them. Then they are supposed to bail out Melo against the best defense in the league during crunch time. Yeah that's gonna happen.

Knicks have a ton of time to get on track, but this is what I was talking about and got bashed for pointing out. You can't just win with only D when you start playing teams with en equally good defense. You have to be able to play efficient offense too. You can beat a lot of teams on pure hustle and D, but you need good offense too!

And we will still bash you. lol.

tkf wrote:i HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY:

1) Shumperts defense on rose was exceptional.. pretty much let rose dance and flip and spin and summersault his way around the perimeter, but he stayed in front of him, cut off his right hand and forced him into bad shots... man on man defense shump was a stud.. kid should make an all defense team.. real talk..

2) tyson chandler all of the hustle plays and defense... the tip outs on that winning possession were huge

3) No excuses.. play with what you have.. no amare, no lin.. Ok, you can compete, you have chandler, melo, smith, shump, we have guys that can win.. again, what are your expectations... honestly for me, I expected this win!!

4) JR finally hit a few big shots in OT..

5) Melo... I have to give it up, guy made all the big shots, all of them, played like a star player today.. answered the bell when we needed.. Yea, he took 31 shots, but we needed it, we had guys bricking.. I only noticed a few forced shots, but again, he was hitting the open man and they were missing...

6) hey I guess things really don't change.. rose choked at memphis at the FT line, he choked today...
Melo delivered in big games at cuse , he delivers again.. LOL.. ok, Ok, I know it is a stretch, but I love how it played out.... haha

my scrub of the night? mike breen.... " melo taking a shot vs a6'9 guy".... really mike? really? what the heck do you expect him to do mike? pass to the guy shooting 4-15 so he can shoot over a guy 3 inches taller than him? wow.... get breen out of here..

last but not least.. Gutsy win... GUTSY.... that is the fight I like to see...

Good points...I just can't believe how Novak was so off

Uptown wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is exactly what this team needed. A tough win against the best team, that keeps us right there in the race for the Atlantic and ahead of the Bucks. Just a perfect win.

Sixers play the Celts tonite. If the celts win, we jump to 7th since we hold tie-breakers with Sixers.

YUP! I know. I'm going to update my spread sheet on the Atlantic race tonight after the Suxer/Celtic game. This was a HUGE win in so many ways. Knicks will now have complete confidence playing anyone now.

Clean wrote:Since Woodson has been the coach melo sure has looked like a "Superstar".

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:i HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY:

1) Shumperts defense on rose was exceptional.. pretty much let rose dance and flip and spin and summersault his way around the perimeter, but he stayed in front of him, cut off his right hand and forced him into bad shots... man on man defense shump was a stud.. kid should make an all defense team.. real talk..

2) tyson chandler all of the hustle plays and defense... the tip outs on that winning possession were huge

3) No excuses.. play with what you have.. no amare, no lin.. Ok, you can compete, you have chandler, melo, smith, shump, we have guys that can win.. again, what are your expectations... honestly for me, I expected this win!!

4) JR finally hit a few big shots in OT..

5) Melo... I have to give it up, guy made all the big shots, all of them, played like a star player today.. answered the bell when we needed.. Yea, he took 31 shots, but we needed it, we had guys bricking.. I only noticed a few forced shots, but again, he was hitting the open man and they were missing...

6) hey I guess things really don't change.. rose choked at memphis at the FT line, he choked today...
Melo delivered in big games at cuse , he delivers again.. LOL.. ok, Ok, I know it is a stretch, but I love how it played out.... haha

my scrub of the night? mike breen.... " melo taking a shot vs a6'9 guy".... really mike? really? what the heck do you expect him to do mike? pass to the guy shooting 4-15 so he can shoot over a guy 3 inches taller than him? wow.... get breen out of here..

last but not least.. Gutsy win... GUTSY.... that is the fight I like to see...

Good points...I just can't believe how Novak was so off

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

loweyecue wrote:JR, Novak, Tyson completely lost on offense because in Woody's system there is NO role for them. Then they are supposed to bail out Melo against the best defense in the league during crunch time. Yeah that's gonna happen.

Knicks have a ton of time to get on track, but this is what I was talking about and got bashed for pointing out. You can't just win with only D when you start playing teams with en equally good defense. You have to be able to play efficient offense too. You can beat a lot of teams on pure hustle and D, but you need good offense too!

And we will still bash you. lol.

I wasn't wrong tho! You still want to play more efficient offense than that. 2 clutch deep 3's isn't a formula for winning every game! We can and must play better than this in the future. It's just about playing smart. Woody did make some adjustments and called some good BB plays in the overtime. They had gotten sloppy, but at the end they made some solid plays. Even tho the shot didn't go in that play for Novak was beautiful!!! That's all i'm saying.

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

loweyecue wrote:JR, Novak, Tyson completely lost on offense because in Woody's system there is NO role for them. Then they are supposed to bail out Melo against the best defense in the league during crunch time. Yeah that's gonna happen.

Knicks have a ton of time to get on track, but this is what I was talking about and got bashed for pointing out. You can't just win with only D when you start playing teams with en equally good defense. You have to be able to play efficient offense too. You can beat a lot of teams on pure hustle and D, but you need good offense too!

And we will still bash you. lol.

I wasn't wrong tho! You still want to play more efficient offense than that. 2 clutch deep 3's isn't a formula for winning every game! We can and must play better than this in the future. It's just about playing smart. Woody did make some adjustments and called some good BB plays in the overtime. They had gotten sloppy, but at the end they made some solid plays. Even tho the shot didn't go in that play for Novak was beautiful!!! That's all i'm saying.

Uptown wrote:

skeng wrote:that switch by Fields and Shump before the inbound started disrupted their last play almost entirely - and no foul on shump, he fought legally over that screen by Noah where they crashed

Heads up play by Shump. He was guarding Rose, then right before the inbounds, he called over to Fields to switch as if he knew the screen was coming. Very heads up play by the rook.

good call. i saw that, too. i loved that call by shump. don't know if it came from woodson or if shump is just that smart on defense. great great great defense on the final possesion by shump and tyson, too.

this team's defense built around tyson and shump and some jr and some jeffries is the BEST in the league right now.

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

loweyecue wrote:JR, Novak, Tyson completely lost on offense because in Woody's system there is NO role for them. Then they are supposed to bail out Melo against the best defense in the league during crunch time. Yeah that's gonna happen.

Knicks have a ton of time to get on track, but this is what I was talking about and got bashed for pointing out. You can't just win with only D when you start playing teams with en equally good defense. You have to be able to play efficient offense too. You can beat a lot of teams on pure hustle and D, but you need good offense too!

And we will still bash you. lol.

I wasn't wrong tho! You still want to play more efficient offense than that. 2 clutch deep 3's isn't a formula for winning every game! We can and must play better than this in the future. It's just about playing smart. Woody did make some adjustments and called some good BB plays in the overtime. They had gotten sloppy, but at the end they made some solid plays. Even tho the shot didn't go in that play for Novak was beautiful!!! That's all i'm saying.

You know I am just having fun with you. I thought the O looked decent with what we have at pg and Smith, Davis, sand Shump misses Novak too much. Sometimes they just need to make that extra pass to a wide open Novak but yet the still shoot the ball themselves. The Knicks played from 7+ minutes in the 4th to the end of the game without a pg on the floor.

One good thing about playing this small lineup is that it keep Boozer off the floor a lot so it was forced all on Rose.

Clean wrote:under rated coaching decision of the game was to not go back to TD or BD.

Anji wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:The cool thing about this game is that before every big three Anthony made the right pass on the previous possesion. Amazing. Now NIx finally has a game where Anthony was the reason we won. We all do. Wow.

You must be watching the wrong game!!!!!!!!! Melo forgot how to pass.

wow...ABC replayed the whole scenarios where Melo made the right passes but his teammates barely missed. You must really hate Melo

Clean wrote:under rated coaching decision of the game was to not go back to TD or BD.

yeah, they played down the stretch with no PG, basically. their best unit was: Shump, JR, Fields, Melo, Tyson.

Woodson is a very good coach.

He'll be back if it's up to me. (also, i'm isiah thomas, so it will be)

holfresh wrote:Shump!!!!!!!!!! WOW..just WOW...What a game this kid played!!!

AGREED

15pts 9rebs 6ast 4stl and LOCKDOWN defense on DRose.

Shump proved a LOT today.

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:i HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY:

1) Shumperts defense on rose was exceptional.. pretty much let rose dance and flip and spin and summersault his way around the perimeter, but he stayed in front of him, cut off his right hand and forced him into bad shots... man on man defense shump was a stud.. kid should make an all defense team.. real talk..

2) tyson chandler all of the hustle plays and defense... the tip outs on that winning possession were huge

3) No excuses.. play with what you have.. no amare, no lin.. Ok, you can compete, you have chandler, melo, smith, shump, we have guys that can win.. again, what are your expectations... honestly for me, I expected this win!!

4) JR finally hit a few big shots in OT..

5) Melo... I have to give it up, guy made all the big shots, all of them, played like a star player today.. answered the bell when we needed.. Yea, he took 31 shots, but we needed it, we had guys bricking.. I only noticed a few forced shots, but again, he was hitting the open man and they were missing...

6) hey I guess things really don't change.. rose choked at memphis at the FT line, he choked today...
Melo delivered in big games at cuse , he delivers again.. LOL.. ok, Ok, I know it is a stretch, but I love how it played out.... haha

my scrub of the night? mike breen.... " melo taking a shot vs a6'9 guy".... really mike? really? what the heck do you expect him to do mike? pass to the guy shooting 4-15 so he can shoot over a guy 3 inches taller than him? wow.... get breen out of here..

last but not least.. Gutsy win... GUTSY.... that is the fight I like to see...

Good points...I just can't believe how Novak was so off

Thing was he wasn't off my much..he was barely missing everything against supreme defense. Now JR...he was OFFFFF

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:Shump!!!!!!!!!! WOW..just WOW...What a game this kid played!!!

AGREED

15pts 9rebs 6ast 4stl and LOCKDOWN defense on DRose.

Shump proved a LOT today.

The strips were amazing...Never saw anything like it...seems like he is stripping the league MVP PG at will...

FoeDiddy wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:i HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY:

1) Shumperts defense on rose was exceptional.. pretty much let rose dance and flip and spin and summersault his way around the perimeter, but he stayed in front of him, cut off his right hand and forced him into bad shots... man on man defense shump was a stud.. kid should make an all defense team.. real talk..

2) tyson chandler all of the hustle plays and defense... the tip outs on that winning possession were huge

3) No excuses.. play with what you have.. no amare, no lin.. Ok, you can compete, you have chandler, melo, smith, shump, we have guys that can win.. again, what are your expectations... honestly for me, I expected this win!!

4) JR finally hit a few big shots in OT..

5) Melo... I have to give it up, guy made all the big shots, all of them, played like a star player today.. answered the bell when we needed.. Yea, he took 31 shots, but we needed it, we had guys bricking.. I only noticed a few forced shots, but again, he was hitting the open man and they were missing...

6) hey I guess things really don't change.. rose choked at memphis at the FT line, he choked today...
Melo delivered in big games at cuse , he delivers again.. LOL.. ok, Ok, I know it is a stretch, but I love how it played out.... haha

my scrub of the night? mike breen.... " melo taking a shot vs a6'9 guy".... really mike? really? what the heck do you expect him to do mike? pass to the guy shooting 4-15 so he can shoot over a guy 3 inches taller than him? wow.... get breen out of here..

last but not least.. Gutsy win... GUTSY.... that is the fight I like to see...

Good points...I just can't believe how Novak was so off

Thing was he wasn't off my much..he was barely missing everything against supreme defense. Now JR...he was OFFFFF

Novak was scared a little...he passed up wide open threes two times...That play where it seems like Noah knocked him out of bounds( he fell down on his own), he was open when he got the ball...

tkf wrote:i HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY:

1) Shumperts defense on rose was exceptional.. pretty much let rose dance and flip and spin and summersault his way around the perimeter, but he stayed in front of him, cut off his right hand and forced him into bad shots... man on man defense shump was a stud.. kid should make an all defense team.. real talk..

2) tyson chandler all of the hustle plays and defense... the tip outs on that winning possession were huge

3) No excuses.. play with what you have.. no amare, no lin.. Ok, you can compete, you have chandler, melo, smith, shump, we have guys that can win.. again, what are your expectations... honestly for me, I expected this win!!

4) JR finally hit a few big shots in OT..

5) Melo... I have to give it up, guy made all the big shots, all of them, played like a star player today.. answered the bell when we needed.. Yea, he took 31 shots, but we needed it, we had guys bricking.. I only noticed a few forced shots, but again, he was hitting the open man and they were missing...

6) hey I guess things really don't change.. rose choked at memphis at the FT line, he choked today...
Melo delivered in big games at cuse , he delivers again.. LOL.. ok, Ok, I know it is a stretch, but I love how it played out.... haha

my scrub of the night? mike breen.... " melo taking a shot vs a6'9 guy".... really mike? really? what the heck do you expect him to do mike? pass to the guy shooting 4-15 so he can shoot over a guy 3 inches taller than him? wow.... get breen out of here..

last but not least.. Gutsy win... GUTSY.... that is the fight I like to see...

good recap.

yeah, melo took 31 shots, but he made over 50% of them. huge huge game for melo. possibly his best since he's been here. the boston playoffs game where he had 42pts 17rebs 6ast and the knicks had NOTHING else against boston in game 2 might have been more impressive, but this one feels better.

and, i love jeremy lin, but if jeremy had had either the game today against the bulls or that game melo had against boston in the playoffs, some people on this board and working at sports illustrated would erect a monument to the guy.

melo just had one of the best games of the nba season against the best team in the east. a game that would have knocked them out of the playoffs if they lost (MIL 1/2 game back and owns the tie-breaker, knicks now a full game up) biggest win of the season.