Melo with 42 points and we only put 85 up on the board. He needs help. Miracle we hung in there as long as we did. Good fight today though, was worried we were going to bend over on national tv.
We need you, STAT - get well soon.
Hopefully we find our offense before the Boston game on Tuesday. Biggest game left on the schedule.
Melo was 14/27 fgs
rest of Knicks were 17/46 fgs
edit: you take out tyson's 4/5 and the rest of the knicks were 13/41. ugh. 31%
crzymdups wrote:Clean wrote:crzymdups wrote:Moonangie wrote:Great game up until that 12-1 run in the 4th. Melo got tired and doesn't trust his team mates to pick him up.
doesn't trust? i don't think that's fair. he was passing... guys just weren't making plays.
I think he meant the part of the game where Melo went Hero Ball.
where else was melo gonna go? tyson and novak can't create their own shots, shump had 3pts on the day and looked either limited by his ankle or nervous. and JR was chucking, too. 4th qtr offense was all JR and Melo because no one else stepped up.
Landry again with the momentum changing offensive EFF ups, game totally turned once he got blocked by bosh.
And despite all that it was still a close game. and we are missing key players while the heat weren't. So why exactly dont you think we can beta them in a few weeks when we will be healthier?
IrishKnickFan wrote:crzymdups wrote:wow, what a move by lebron. are you kidding me.and you guys wanted to face the heat in the first round? seriously??? it might be different if amar'e plays... but SERIOUSLY?!??!!
we are missing two of our starters. Every time we play teh heat we are msising key people. At full strength we could beat the heat
That's all the more reason why the Knicks should have took one of their key players out.
I HATE the Miami Heat, as all real NYK fans should.
The lost hurts but not that bad. We have a weekness on the boards. Chandler only had 5 boards. Made some bad decisions in the final 6 minutes but it is what it is. We need Amar'e to beat the Heat. So when we go small we have scoring at the five. Jeffries does not give you that and it will open the floor. You beat the heat with great 5 play or great point guard play. What we do know is that no one in the NBA can guard Melo right now and that is great for the offense. Some easy missed shots by Fields(sorry dude) and this is a different game. Ny just need one more person who can break down the D off the dribble.
ChuckBuck wrote:nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.
We need a second scorer, that's why we lost.
Nah, we need L
SS offense so we can get blown out because Lin, Stat and JJ2 are hurt........Shut up meg!!!
ChuckBuck wrote:nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.
We need a second scorer, that's why we lost.
You can't oversimplify it like that. All of those 4th qtr possessions, we ended up with poor spacing, no player or ball movement, no PnR!!! Meanwhile the Heat killed us with PnR, spread floor, Ball and Player movement.
crzymdups wrote:Clean wrote:crzymdups wrote:Moonangie wrote:Great game up until that 12-1 run in the 4th. Melo got tired and doesn't trust his team mates to pick him up.
doesn't trust? i don't think that's fair. he was passing... guys just weren't making plays.
I think he meant the part of the game where Melo went Hero Ball.
where else was melo gonna go? tyson and novak can't create their own shots, shump had 3pts on the day and looked either limited by his ankle or nervous. and JR was chucking, too. 4th qtr offense was all JR and Melo because no one else stepped up.
Landry again with the momentum changing offensive EFF ups, game totally turned once he got blocked by bosh.
I agree with you Fields was a blackhole of crappyness. Melo should have done what he did most of the game. Drive to the hoop if defender comes from weakside find open man, if not score. When he just jacks up a crappy 3 its basically a turnover if it does not go down. We are playing to small so we won't get the rebound.
crzymdups wrote:Melo was 14/27 fgsrest of Knicks were 17/46 fgs
Not to mention, at least 3 of those were rushed prayers at the end of the game. VERY efficient tonight, unfortunately it was just him out there.
This team has ADD. How can you keep the came close so long, lead by 4 and now trail by double digits. This team is so freaking immature. So hard to root for them when they can play so well, suddenly lose focus and be blown away.
This was a game we should've won. This was a game we had to establish we won't let it be easy on opponents visiting MSG. The Heat are not playing well and this was very winnable.
Why did we lose? We didn't follow the gameplan in the last 7 minutes and played to lose shooting so many jumpers, missing our defensive assignaments, failing to secure the rebound and giving up easy baskets.
This is a disgusting team because we ARE a good team. When you play so well without Lin and State, you have no excuses. When you get up by 4 in the last minutes of the fourth, its INEXCUSABLE to lose and by so many points.
INEXCUSABLE LOSS! Miami isn't that great of a team and allowing them so many easy shots and shooting terrible jumpers is idiotic. To allow the Heat a sweep of you and they could possibly be your playoff opponent when being more focused would've netted you a HUGE win? PHUK IT!!! Horrible loss!
IrishKnickFan wrote:crzymdups wrote:loweyecue wrote:IrishKnickFan wrote:crzymdups wrote:wow, what a move by lebron. are you kidding me.and you guys wanted to face the heat in the first round? seriously??? it might be different if amar'e plays... but SERIOUSLY?!??!!
we are missing two of our starters. Every time we play teh heat we are msising key people. At full strength we could beat the heat
WE WOULD HAVE BEAT THEM IF WE HAD PLAYED BASKETBALL IN HE LAST HALF OF THE 4TH q, WHATEVER WE WERE DOING OUT THERE, BASKETBALL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
come on, man. they played fine. the heat are a better team. knicks are down some players and don't have the depth.
this wasn't the knicks not executing, it was the heat beating the knicks.
I disagree we didnt execute we missed a lot of open shots
We became a three point shooting team and our committed unforced turnovers to lose the game and our defense was caught napping afew times during the 14-1 run.
fields really killed us today. I mean he killed our momentum when were up 3 and threatnening for more
nixluva wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.
We need a second scorer, that's why we lost.
You can't oversimplify it like that. All of those 4th qtr possessions, we ended up with poor spacing, no player or ball movement, no PnR!!! Meanwhile the Heat killed us with PnR, spread floor, Ball and Player movement.
James 29, Wade 28. Anthony 42. Pretty simple to me.
nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.
team only went heavy Iso Melo when rest of team were missing everything. I disagree. We need to hit shots regardless if they come open from ISO Melo or from Movement. Still have to hit your shots. Fields missed open shots, Novak, Shump...all the role players play'd a bad offensive game today.
The Flop put the game away for them
nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.
Did you not watch thew other side of the floor?! Wade and Lebron took turnd ISOING us and closed the show! Difference is, it was 2 vs 1....
tough loss... missed FT's and getting killed on the boards.. we just can't win vs good teams with the way we rebound....
ChuckBuck wrote:nixluva wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.
We need a second scorer, that's why we lost.
You can't oversimplify it like that. All of those 4th qtr possessions, we ended up with poor spacing, no player or ball movement, no PnR!!! Meanwhile the Heat killed us with PnR, spread floor, Ball and Player movement.
James 29, Wade 28. Anthony 42. Pretty simple to me.
See that's the kind of thing that just gets overplayed. You think that they did it only going ISO like we did? They actually ran plays and used PnR, Spread the floor and made smart passes. I implore you to go back and look at the 4th qtr plays they ran and the ones we ran!!!!
Uptown wrote:nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.
Did you not watch thew other side of the floor?! Wade and Lebron took turnd ISOING us and closed the show! Difference is, it was 2 vs 1....
Wade and Lebron were exclusively ISO'ing the last 4 minutes of the game.
nixluva wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:nixluva wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.
We need a second scorer, that's why we lost.
You can't oversimplify it like that. All of those 4th qtr possessions, we ended up with poor spacing, no player or ball movement, no PnR!!! Meanwhile the Heat killed us with PnR, spread floor, Ball and Player movement.
James 29, Wade 28. Anthony 42. Pretty simple to me.
See that's the kind of thing that just gets overplayed. You think that they did it only going ISO like we did? They actually ran plays and used PnR, Spread the floor and made smart passes. I implore you to go back and look at the 4th qtr plays they ran and the ones we ran!!!!
Watch the game again. That's the exact thing the Heat did to us in the 4th to put the game away.
Also a big overlooked Key was that Melo played the whole 3rd and didn't get his normal rest in the 4th. Also, Jeffries is not back and that hurts right now. Another move was bring ing in Davis which is what we needed but you also need Novak at there too. Oh well. Its just one of those decisions that coaches have to make and sometimes it works and sometimes it do not.
