Knicks · Did Woodson make any adjustments in Game 1? (page 2)

arkrud wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Uptown wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Uptown wrote:You guys have it backwards. The adjustments will/should come in game 2. Each playoff game has its own identity. Miami has shown its game plan, front the post and overload the strong side (Melo's side). Miami will play the same exact way on Monday, so the ball is in the Knicks court to adjust. After watching film, Woodson now has to adjust to what the Heat are doing and we should see a different gameplan on Monday....

No, this is the playoffs. It's make or break. You make your adjustments when things aren't going your way e.g. - 2nd qtr on.

Got this from the other board from OrangeandBlue, great solution and no secret to fronting:

It's really simple. When they front Melo, Amare should cut to the top of the key, catch the pass, and Melo should cut towards the hoop. We didn't see this a single time.

Another thing we barely saw was Melo bringing the ball up. end quote

Also, what I noticed (as usual) is that Melo holds the ball to long. There were a few times where if he would have passed it earlier, or made a move earlier, we would have had easy points. By holding the ball he is just giving Miami time to double AND rotate. The doubling is to our advantage if he passes out, but he has to make those passes before the rotation - if possible.

First, you will be abel to make minor adjustments in-game. But the major adjustments will come after film sessions and leading into game two.

You didn't need to look to another board for the adjustment you posted because I said the same exact thing in the game thread. I said, if they are fronting Melo high, you bring Amare up and play high-low with he and Melo which is an old UCLA play.....

If you have a varied offensive attack you don't need to see film to make the needed adjustments. The Knicks have a TON of offensive plays to choose from after a full season with 2 coaches. They've shown more of their offense in other games so we know they can switch to other plays and focus the attack on different players. This was just a bad job by Woody.

As we saw the last time we went to Miami and got the sh1t kicked out of us, it's pretty hard to adjust to Miami without a PG that can beat their press and break them down. Remember that game? It was kinda ugly - I don't remember the super adjustments nor did I see the varied offensive attack.

The only way to be competative with the Heat is to control the tempo of the game and play fast ball.
If they set on defense the game is lost.
To do this we need a point (Lin?) and coach (???).
So we are defenetally not the team to beat the Heat (not in the series, not ever).

Well ... I sort of agree with that. However, Lin did not fare well against them in Miami - he was putrid!!

To beat them, you need a veteran PG with an excellent handle. Maybe Lin will one day be that guy but he is not that player now.

Coach? I am all for bringing in PJax though I am not sure it would make a real diff vs Miami. It MIGHT get us 1-2 games which is not nothing.

arkrud wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Uptown wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Uptown wrote:You guys have it backwards. The adjustments will/should come in game 2. Each playoff game has its own identity. Miami has shown its game plan, front the post and overload the strong side (Melo's side). Miami will play the same exact way on Monday, so the ball is in the Knicks court to adjust. After watching film, Woodson now has to adjust to what the Heat are doing and we should see a different gameplan on Monday....

No, this is the playoffs. It's make or break. You make your adjustments when things aren't going your way e.g. - 2nd qtr on.

Got this from the other board from OrangeandBlue, great solution and no secret to fronting:

It's really simple. When they front Melo, Amare should cut to the top of the key, catch the pass, and Melo should cut towards the hoop. We didn't see this a single time.

Another thing we barely saw was Melo bringing the ball up. end quote

Also, what I noticed (as usual) is that Melo holds the ball to long. There were a few times where if he would have passed it earlier, or made a move earlier, we would have had easy points. By holding the ball he is just giving Miami time to double AND rotate. The doubling is to our advantage if he passes out, but he has to make those passes before the rotation - if possible.

First, you will be abel to make minor adjustments in-game. But the major adjustments will come after film sessions and leading into game two.

You didn't need to look to another board for the adjustment you posted because I said the same exact thing in the game thread. I said, if they are fronting Melo high, you bring Amare up and play high-low with he and Melo which is an old UCLA play.....

If you have a varied offensive attack you don't need to see film to make the needed adjustments. The Knicks have a TON of offensive plays to choose from after a full season with 2 coaches. They've shown more of their offense in other games so we know they can switch to other plays and focus the attack on different players. This was just a bad job by Woody.

As we saw the last time we went to Miami and got the sh1t kicked out of us, it's pretty hard to adjust to Miami without a PG that can beat their press and break them down. Remember that game? It was kinda ugly - I don't remember the super adjustments nor did I see the varied offensive attack.

The only way to be competative with the Heat is to control the tempo of the game and play fast ball.
If they set on defense the game is lost.
To do this we need a point (Lin?) and coach (???).
So we are defenetally not the team to beat the Heat (not in the series, not ever).

Fastball? You want to get run out of the gym? Well, on offense I see your point. You have to not turn the ball over and turn it into a half court game on defense. If they get a chance to run, especially with the refs, it will be a short series. When they are forced into a half court offense, you see them struggle... consistently.

Bonn1997 wrote:Woodson needed to go onto the court and tear Lebron's ACL

LeBron is a bball supperman. You can say whatever you want but he is.
If you team is build on stars to much him and Wade... you team is up to trashing big time.
Heat can be beat by Team work, smart coaching and execution.
The team which will beat the Heat will be boring for the casual fans.
This must be Rangers type team - wear them up, grind it up, put all you heart and sole into the game, be the summ of the parts.
We saw this kind team when Linsanity strike... were it is now?

Of course not.

He watched from his vantage point on the sidelines and thought about the offseason.

Woodson sat in the huddle during timeouts and said absolutely nothing.

How about some facts?

We had 27 turnovers. tying a postseason franchise high.

Nothing personal, this thread title is utterly and completely stupid. Without a backcourt, what is Mike Woodson left with? His starting lead guard is in a suit. His backup guard, who was originally described as a savior, is playing on muscle memory from a half decade ago on fumes. The guard he used as a respectable, healthy alternative is gone for another 12 months of rehab. The final guard is good for one game in three, maybe.

If Mike Woodson played Landry Fields at the point, would that be an adustment?

earthmansurfer wrote:

Uptown wrote:You guys have it backwards. The adjustments will/should come in game 2. Each playoff game has its own identity. Miami has shown its game plan, front the post and overload the strong side (Melo's side). Miami will play the same exact way on Monday, so the ball is in the Knicks court to adjust. After watching film, Woodson now has to adjust to what the Heat are doing and we should see a different gameplan on Monday....

No, this is the playoffs. It's make or break. You make your adjustments when things aren't going your way e.g. - 2nd qtr on.

Got this from the other board from OrangeandBlue, great solution and no secret to fronting:

It's really simple. When they front Melo, Amare should cut to the top of the key, catch the pass, and Melo should cut towards the hoop. We didn't see this a single time.

Another thing we barely saw was Melo bringing the ball up. end quote

Also, what I noticed (as usual) is that Melo holds the ball to long. There were a few times where if he would have passed it earlier, or made a move earlier, we would have had easy points. By holding the ball he is just giving Miami time to double AND rotate. The doubling is to our advantage if he passes out, but he has to make those passes before the rotation - if possible.

Gotta play sharp..I mean thats an absolutely a must

knicks1248 wrote:Gotta play sharp..I mean thats an absolutely a must

Hilarious. Play sharp? Bullsh#t.

Three Simple (cough) Adjustments (in English)

!. Stop giving the ball away. Anything more than 15 turnovers is too many.

2. Carmelo must handle the ball in the backcourt. Yes, we know it was an emergency in January. Well, this is an emergency.

3. Baron Davis must stop running into picks. Dig deep and stop walking the ball upcourt. The offense is on a shot clock.

Vmart wrote:Woodson did make adjustments. Unfortunately there are no adjustments for Refs. What ever he tried to do was mostly nullified by refs.

yup.

maybe they'll get a more open-minded crew tonight.

but overcoming the loss of shump is gonna be hard.

crzymdups wrote:

Vmart wrote:Woodson did make adjustments. Unfortunately there are no adjustments for Refs. What ever he tried to do was mostly nullified by refs.

yup.

maybe they'll get a more open-minded crew tonight.

but overcoming the loss of shump is gonna be hard.

Shump is going to be missed for sure but I see a silver lining in this JR Smith will get to play and stretch the floor.

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Vmart wrote:Woodson did make adjustments. Unfortunately there are no adjustments for Refs. What ever he tried to do was mostly nullified by refs.

yup.

maybe they'll get a more open-minded crew tonight.

but overcoming the loss of shump is gonna be hard.

Shump is going to be missed for sure but I see a silver lining in this JR Smith will get to play and stretch the floor.

yeah, i kinda feel like he should start for landry.

landry starting just means wade will get going early and landry will probably get two quick fouls. i guess that's better than JR getting two quick fouls though.

misterearl wrote:Did Woodson make any adjustments?

Of course not.

He watched from his vantage point on the sidelines and thought about the offseason.

Woodson sat in the huddle during timeouts and said absolutely nothing.

How about some facts?

We had 27 turnovers. tying a postseason franchise high.

Nothing personal, this thread title is utterly and completely stupid. Without a backcourt, what is Mike Woodson left with? His starting lead guard is in a suit. His backup guard, who was originally described as a savior, is playing on muscle memory from a half decade ago on fumes. The guard he used as a respectable, healthy alternative is gone for another 12 months of rehab. The final guard is good for one game in three, maybe.

If Mike Woodson played Landry Fields at the point, would that be an adustment?

Did it ever cross your mind that a reason for so many turnovers was that we didn't make any adjustments?

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knicks1248 wrote:Gotta play sharp..I mean thats an absolutely a must

Hilarious. Play sharp? Bullsh#t.

Three Simple (cough) Adjustments (in English)

!. Stop giving the ball away. Anything more than 15 turnovers is too many.

2. Carmelo must handle the ball in the backcourt. Yes, we know it was an emergency in January. Well, this is an emergency.

3. Baron Davis must stop running into picks. Dig deep and stop walking the ball upcourt. The offense is on a shot clock.

Number 1 is a given and we knew that coming in, all of us.

We should have tried number 2 as an adjustment last game.

Davis is hurt but he should be much more careful with the ball. He has been doing this all year unfortunately.

So I’ve been doing my usually daily trip around the Knicks world I’ve been interested to see what adjustments people are talking about for game 2 in Miami.

Not a lot of content. Give the NY Post’s Mike Vaccaro credit for addressing the need for Woodson to return serve to Erik Spoelstra’s court and make him make a chess move. Last year the Knicks had an opportunity to win game 1 in Boston, but Mike D’Antoni was clearly outfoxed by Doc Rivers, especially on a critical out of bounds alley-oop to Kevin Garnett.

Woodson isn’t the reason the Knicks lost game 1, but they were badly unprepared to compete. There are a lot of reasons including Tyson Chandler’s uncertainty and Carmelo’s poor shooting, but the playoffs are about adjusting especially between games and hopefully during them.

Let’s start with Melo. As we will talk today on TKBtv, the heat did a tremendous job of fronting Melo on the low block aka his office. It’s the spot that led him to being named the one of the two best players in the NBA over the past month.

When a team fronts the post and utilizes weak side help for an over the top pass, offensively you have to spread the floor with whoever is guarding that player. If it’s Chandler’s defender then you have to adjust where Chandler is on the floor. The heat know that Chandler isn’t jump shooter so they can help with his man on any over the top pass to the post. My adjustment? Post up Chandler early in the game (if he plays) and get him in the flow offensively. Another adjustment is to move Melo to the elbow and let him face up and create to the basket drawing fouls and Chandler’s defender to lead to easy touches near the basket for Chandler.

The other adjustment is utilizing Novak at the 3. The heat play small and you have to match them. Post Melo low and if they want to help over the top then bury Novak in the corner for skip passes should his man be the man helping.

The bottom line is that the Knicks need to get to the line. They need to get players in a rhythm. They need their stars to be stars, but they also need J.R. Smith, Novak and Baron Davis to make shots if they have any chance at making this a series.

But it starts with making adjustments on how the heat are defending Melo.