Knicks · It's not just the homers crying foul... (page 2)

Again, we're not winning that game regardless, and nothing was rigged. I just think Miami got star calls and we didn't.

The killer illustration was the Amare charge. It's a toss-up call, but Amare should have gotten that toss-up. In fact one official had his hand up in the air ready to call the and-one!

Instead: it's a charge (though STAT made an obvious effort to avoid the contact and Battier was obviously moving), it's the third foul on Amare, and Battier hits a three on the next possession to put the Heat up 9.

That's a six point swing and it was a big deal. In fact, that's the play I look at as what opened the floodgates. I think that is a valid gripe to make.

Gymkata wrote:Again, we're not winning that game regardless, and nothing was rigged. I just think Miami got star calls and we didn't.

The killer illustration was the Amare charge. It's a toss-up call, but Amare should have gotten that toss-up. In fact one official had his hand up in the air ready to call the and-one!

Instead: it's a charge (though STAT made an obvious effort to avoid the contact and Battier was obviously moving), it's the third foul on Amare, and Battier hits a three on the next possession to put the Heat up 9.

That's a six point swing and it was a big deal. In fact, that's the play I look at as what opened the floodgates. I think that is a valid gripe to make.

That play. It felt like when you are playing streetball and one guy calls fouls every other possession. You still want to win and you try harder, but being the only one on the court to call foul for like 5 minutes, on different players makes it unfair.

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?

Yeah, we have to go through the Refs and the Heat to beat them. Dallas did it last year. I am not making excuses for the players but when the bias is so strong it's much harder to fight through it. That was a really lopsided game, but I do think the Refs impacted the outcome.

Let's see what happens the rest of the series. Often people think the refs have nefarious motives. Just by chance, occasionally one team will get better calls than the other. If it continues all series, I'll make a big deal out of it but I don't see any reason to now.

But surely only if it can be quantified by objective data and backed up by a sufficiently large sample size to be scientifically proven.

We got called for 8 charging violations..yeah they we fronting Melo, but not once did they call a foul on battier who was basically pushing melo off his spot...the differnce between melo and james was that after every little touch melo didn't go falling to the floor like a mack truck hit em..

when mike miller and JR went colliding into each other, the call was against the knicks, when b davis and wade crashed into each other, davis gets called for the foul

At then end of the half when they spoke to bron, she asked him how was the neck only after she turn the mic off, he turned at her smirk and said im all good..

BasketballJones wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?

Yeah, we have to go through the Refs and the Heat to beat them. Dallas did it last year. I am not making excuses for the players but when the bias is so strong it's much harder to fight through it. That was a really lopsided game, but I do think the Refs impacted the outcome.

Let's see what happens the rest of the series. Often people think the refs have nefarious motives. Just by chance, occasionally one team will get better calls than the other. If it continues all series, I'll make a big deal out of it but I don't see any reason to now.

But surely only if it can be quantified by objective data and backed up by a sufficiently large sample size to be scientifically proven.

Serious question: Why do so many people become so distressed over thinking about sample sizes that they constantly use the term sarcastically?

Is it really so many people, or is that just your subjective impression, subject to confirmation bias?

markvmc wrote:Is it really so many people, or is that just your subjective impression, subject to confirmation bias?

It's definitely the former!

Bonn1997 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?

Yeah, we have to go through the Refs and the Heat to beat them. Dallas did it last year. I am not making excuses for the players but when the bias is so strong it's much harder to fight through it. That was a really lopsided game, but I do think the Refs impacted the outcome.

Let's see what happens the rest of the series. Often people think the refs have nefarious motives. Just by chance, occasionally one team will get better calls than the other. If it continues all series, I'll make a big deal out of it but I don't see any reason to now.

But surely only if it can be quantified by objective data and backed up by a sufficiently large sample size to be scientifically proven.

Serious question: Why do so many people become so distressed over thinking about sample sizes that they constantly use the term sarcastically?

It's not THAT many people. We need a larger sample size.

Nalod wrote:I have not seen much evidence in any Knick-Miami game this season that demonstrates we can hang with them.

naturally the strong finish we had this season against some pretty good teams might have given much hope but the end result was a 33 pt defeat.

Miami plays very hard and they have great athletes. The flops were damn good flops and the best player on the planet gets the benefit of the doubt.

He has earned that.

I don't like him either but his game speaks loud.

If we can adapt to the speed by which they played defense we might have a chance to win a game or two but this is the task at hand.

there is no rivalry until we are up to challenge them.

So it comes down to "Don't hate the player. Hate the game?"
Let me first say that I agree with you on all of this. There's no doubt that they are the stronger, better team. However, if you're up for MVP and are the "chosen one" and one of the greatest players in all of the league/history of basketball, why do you have to resort to such blatantly childish b-s. Being a freakish athlete and talent isn't enough? I think the flop on Chandler was just as someone said (he instinctively started to flop before he realized he was actually in pain lol) and at what point does it warrant a flagrant 2???? It's not even a flagrant 1, just a regular foul because he leaned in. And he's done the same thing to other players and gotten away with no-calls. And to have felt whiplash...it must have been very minor because I was in a car accident when I was younger and believe me the last thing you do is roll around on the floor and run around moving your head about. If you have whiplash you move slowly and carefully because every movement can be very painful and feel like muscle spasms esp. when turning your head side to side.
So to say he's earned the benefit of the doubt for being an incredible player, I'd say yes. However, when he begins to BLATANTLY abuse that privilege, he needs to be punished because its like a slap in the face to the other players and the fans. A suspension would stop this real quick, fines only hurt the non-star players that don't make bank. But I guess he's just playing the game while the rest of us are getting played? It's obviously not just Lebron who does this but after the officials reviewed the video, is it the fair call? It wouldn't have looked nearly as bad if his teammates had warned him of the pick. And then the flop on JR and Melo? It brands the guy untouchable. We deserved the majority of the calls we got, while they didn't call much of anything on the other side. It very well could have made the difference. But we'll never know.
It takes you out of contention in a game that we were competitive in even when we couldn't score a basket. And like you said, they are a great team. A team that we can't afford to get down by 10, much less 22 before the half (which was incidentally the discrepancy in ft shooting in the 2nd quarter). Even people who don't care about the Knicks saw that. But add this crap on top and get rewarded three times...it's wrong.

But like Bonn said, at least it was a blowout, it would have hurt even more had this been a close game at the end and worse if it continues.

He did it to the Mavericks and Bulls during the playoffs last year and even had the audacity to wink at Spolestra afterwards. What kind of elite respectable player does this kind of thing??

And this one by bosh...because its the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

ramtour420 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?

Yeah, we have to go through the Refs and the Heat to beat them. Dallas did it last year. I am not making excuses for the players but when the bias is so strong it's much harder to fight through it. That was a really lopsided game, but I do think the Refs impacted the outcome.

Let's see what happens the rest of the series. Often people think the refs have nefarious motives. Just by chance, occasionally one team will get better calls than the other. If it continues all series, I'll make a big deal out of it but I don't see any reason to now.

But surely only if it can be quantified by objective data and backed up by a sufficiently large sample size to be scientifically proven.

Serious question: Why do so many people become so distressed over thinking about sample sizes that they constantly use the term sarcastically?

It's not THAT many people. We need a larger sample size.

That was funny :-)

ramtour420 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?

Yeah, we have to go through the Refs and the Heat to beat them. Dallas did it last year. I am not making excuses for the players but when the bias is so strong it's much harder to fight through it. That was a really lopsided game, but I do think the Refs impacted the outcome.

Let's see what happens the rest of the series. Often people think the refs have nefarious motives. Just by chance, occasionally one team will get better calls than the other. If it continues all series, I'll make a big deal out of it but I don't see any reason to now.

But surely only if it can be quantified by objective data and backed up by a sufficiently large sample size to be scientifically proven.

Serious question: Why do so many people become so distressed over thinking about sample sizes that they constantly use the term sarcastically?

It's not THAT many people. We need a larger sample size.

Have everyone forgot about the changed call on JJ layup? I have never seen refs change a call that happened a couple minutes ago. The only time I ever seen that is to change a 3point shot to a 2 or vice versa. This is why when refs miss a call teams try to inbound fast. You can not change a normal call minutes after it happened. If that is the case why not take the tech off Amare or change everytime they miss a travaling? You see this is why it has never happened before, where would you stop? I guess the refs stopped when they felt the Knicks no longer had a chance to win.

Clean wrote:Have everyone forgot about the changed call on JJ layup? I have never seen refs change a call that happened a couple minutes ago. The only time I ever seen that is to change a 3point shot to a 2 or vice versa. This is why when refs miss a call teams try to inbound fast. You can not change a normal call minutes after it happened. If that is the case why not take the tech off Amare or change everytime they miss a travaling? You see this is why it has never happened before, where would you stop? I guess the refs stopped when they felt the Knicks no longer had a chance to win.

I have seen calls like that changed a number of times this year.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?

Yeah, we have to go through the Refs and the Heat to beat them. Dallas did it last year. I am not making excuses for the players but when the bias is so strong it's much harder to fight through it. That was a really lopsided game, but I do think the Refs impacted the outcome.

Let's see what happens the rest of the series. Often people think the refs have nefarious motives. Just by chance, occasionally one team will get better calls than the other. If it continues all series, I'll make a big deal out of it but I don't see any reason to now.

But surely only if it can be quantified by objective data and backed up by a sufficiently large sample size to be scientifically proven.

Serious question: Why do so many people become so distressed over thinking about sample sizes that they constantly use the term sarcastically?

Sorry dude. I don't know what came over me. It is not like me to be sarcastic like that.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?

Yeah, we have to go through the Refs and the Heat to beat them. Dallas did it last year. I am not making excuses for the players but when the bias is so strong it's much harder to fight through it. That was a really lopsided game, but I do think the Refs impacted the outcome.

Let's see what happens the rest of the series. Often people think the refs have nefarious motives. Just by chance, occasionally one team will get better calls than the other. If it continues all series, I'll make a big deal out of it but I don't see any reason to now.

But surely only if it can be quantified by objective data and backed up by a sufficiently large sample size to be scientifically proven.

Serious question: Why do so many people become so distressed over thinking about sample sizes that they constantly use the term sarcastically?

Perhaps our tiny Sample Sizes make us feel inadequate so we joke about it.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?

Yeah, we have to go through the Refs and the Heat to beat them. Dallas did it last year. I am not making excuses for the players but when the bias is so strong it's much harder to fight through it. That was a really lopsided game, but I do think the Refs impacted the outcome.

Let's see what happens the rest of the series. Often people think the refs have nefarious motives. Just by chance, occasionally one team will get better calls than the other. If it continues all series, I'll make a big deal out of it but I don't see any reason to now.

But surely only if it can be quantified by objective data and backed up by a sufficiently large sample size to be scientifically proven.

Serious question: Why do so many people become so distressed over thinking about sample sizes that they constantly use the term sarcastically?

Perhaps our tiny Sample Sizes make us feel inadequate so we joke about it.

Next stop sample size enlargement pills.

loweyecue wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?

Yeah, we have to go through the Refs and the Heat to beat them. Dallas did it last year. I am not making excuses for the players but when the bias is so strong it's much harder to fight through it. That was a really lopsided game, but I do think the Refs impacted the outcome.

Let's see what happens the rest of the series. Often people think the refs have nefarious motives. Just by chance, occasionally one team will get better calls than the other. If it continues all series, I'll make a big deal out of it but I don't see any reason to now.

But surely only if it can be quantified by objective data and backed up by a sufficiently large sample size to be scientifically proven.

Serious question: Why do so many people become so distressed over thinking about sample sizes that they constantly use the term sarcastically?

Perhaps our tiny Sample Sizes make us feel inadequate so we joke about it.

Next stop sample size enlargement pills.

Tried them but it made me lose my hair. I need my hair

mrKnickShot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?

Yeah, we have to go through the Refs and the Heat to beat them. Dallas did it last year. I am not making excuses for the players but when the bias is so strong it's much harder to fight through it. That was a really lopsided game, but I do think the Refs impacted the outcome.

Let's see what happens the rest of the series. Often people think the refs have nefarious motives. Just by chance, occasionally one team will get better calls than the other. If it continues all series, I'll make a big deal out of it but I don't see any reason to now.

But surely only if it can be quantified by objective data and backed up by a sufficiently large sample size to be scientifically proven.

Serious question: Why do so many people become so distressed over thinking about sample sizes that they constantly use the term sarcastically?

Perhaps our tiny Sample Sizes make us feel inadequate so we joke about it.

Next stop sample size enlargement pills.

Tried them but it made me lose my hair. I need my hair

I keep clicking on those links about "One simple free trick to increase your sample size" but they always ask for a credit card number...

I hate sample size envy...

Interestingly, watch this video:

Guess who tossed Pierce for no reason? Ed Malloy! He's the guy who t-d up Melo. Also in the game above, the Heat had taken twice as many FT as the Celtics! Thankfully he's not calling our game tonight, but unfortunately Joey crawford is

You can read about it here:

http://www.nesn.com/2011/05/paul-pierces...

Nalod wrote:I have not seen much evidence in any Knick-Miami game this season that demonstrates we can hang with them.

naturally the strong finish we had this season against some pretty good teams might have given much hope but the end result was a 33 pt defeat.

Miami plays very hard and they have great athletes. The flops were damn good flops and the best player on the planet gets the benefit of the doubt.

He has earned that.

I don't like him either but his game speaks loud.

If we can adapt to the speed by which they played defense we might have a chance to win a game or two but this is the task at hand.

there is no rivalry until we are up to challenge them.

*applause* Well said, Nalod. As usual.

Yes, the refs helped the Heat and disrupted the Knicks' momentum. But let's face it, we are not quite there yet. The league should modify the ticky-tack calls in the postseason to let mofos play hard. But if that doesn't happen, we still need to be up for the competitive challenge on the other side of the court. Missing shots, not moving the ball, iso iso iso, missing free throws, sub 30% shooting percentage, and of course EFFING TURNOVERS do not make us a team that beats the Heat. We are still a work in progress.

smackeddog wrote:Interestingly, watch this video:

Guess who tossed Pierce for no reason? Ed Malloy! He's the guy who t-d up Melo. Also in the game above, the Heat had taken twice as many FT as the Celtics! Thankfully he's not calling our game tonight, but unfortunately Joey crawford is

You can read about it here:

http://www.nesn.com/2011/05/paul-pierces...

I'm trying really hard to not believe that they don't try to fix these games but this isn't helping. Either they are trying to secure finals ratings or this fool is just too trigger happy.