gunsnewing wrote:matt wrote:something is definitely wrong with him, other than basketball. That whole "brother tragically dying in a car crash" thing combined with an injured back all season must be screwing with the guys head real bad.
.... box out
Damn as i trash amare i forgot about that. its been a rough year for him but he just doesn't fit a defensively oriented team. Not trying to be a dick. It is what it is
It's tough. Everyone, myself included, trashes the guy but we forget that he also has real problems. Playing just might not be the fix right now..
nyk4ever wrote:i don't care how many points amare had tonight - he made absolutely zero impact on the game. he has completely lost all explosiveness around the hoop and can't finish. he plays no defense whatsoever and doesn't even attempt to stop layups. dude acts like a tough guy but he plays softer than steve kerr. i've had enough of amare.if he really is out next game, it's probably addition by subtraction because amare is just a detriment right now.
Was Amare really this bad tonight? I don't think so. He certainly needs to be much better defensively, but the guy just never got the ball. Melo took 26 shots Amare took 9. You cannot get Amare Stoudemire only 9 shots. He scored 18 pts- meaning 2 for every time he shot. That's pretty freaking good. He is an efficient scorer and we have yet to figure out a way to use him with Carmelo Anthony on the floor.
Amare in a sling. Wow. He is a guy that generally stays in control of his emotions. Sorry to see him lose it like he did. He has been a high character guy in NY.
VDesai wrote:nyk4ever wrote:i don't care how many points amare had tonight - he made absolutely zero impact on the game. he has completely lost all explosiveness around the hoop and can't finish. he plays no defense whatsoever and doesn't even attempt to stop layups. dude acts like a tough guy but he plays softer than steve kerr. i've had enough of amare.if he really is out next game, it's probably addition by subtraction because amare is just a detriment right now.
Was Amare really this bad tonight? I don't think so. He certainly needs to be much better defensively, but the guy just never got the ball. Melo took 26 shots Amare took 9. You cannot get Amare Stoudemire only 9 shots. He scored 18 pts- meaning 2 for every time he shot. That's pretty freaking good. He is an efficient scorer and we have yet to figure out a way to use him with Carmelo Anthony on the floor.
Problem is when we try to feature Amare then Melo's game goes south. Its just not working. The lesser of the two evils is sticking with Melo because he at least rebounds and tries defensively
VDesai wrote:nyk4ever wrote:i don't care how many points amare had tonight - he made absolutely zero impact on the game. he has completely lost all explosiveness around the hoop and can't finish. he plays no defense whatsoever and doesn't even attempt to stop layups. dude acts like a tough guy but he plays softer than steve kerr. i've had enough of amare.if he really is out next game, it's probably addition by subtraction because amare is just a detriment right now.
Was Amare really this bad tonight? I don't think so. He certainly needs to be much better defensively, but the guy just never got the ball. Melo took 26 shots Amare took 9. You cannot get Amare Stoudemire only 9 shots. He scored 18 pts- meaning 2 for every time he shot. That's pretty freaking good. He is an efficient scorer and we have yet to figure out a way to use him with Carmelo Anthony on the floor.
I don't know why they wouldn't do pick and roll with amare and melo more often.
And this guy has 100 million coming to him. Good job Dolan
CrushAlot wrote:Amare in a sling. Wow. He is a guy that generally stays in control of his emotions. Sorry to see him lose it like he did. He has been a high character guy in NY.
Sad really. it is possible that he is frustrated with his back and inability to contribute at a higher level. Or he was angry at himself because he knew he was the scapegoat
Michael6835 wrote:VDesai wrote:nyk4ever wrote:i don't care how many points amare had tonight - he made absolutely zero impact on the game. he has completely lost all explosiveness around the hoop and can't finish. he plays no defense whatsoever and doesn't even attempt to stop layups. dude acts like a tough guy but he plays softer than steve kerr. i've had enough of amare.if he really is out next game, it's probably addition by subtraction because amare is just a detriment right now.
Was Amare really this bad tonight? I don't think so. He certainly needs to be much better defensively, but the guy just never got the ball. Melo took 26 shots Amare took 9. You cannot get Amare Stoudemire only 9 shots. He scored 18 pts- meaning 2 for every time he shot. That's pretty freaking good. He is an efficient scorer and we have yet to figure out a way to use him with Carmelo Anthony on the floor.
I don't know why they wouldn't do pick and roll with amare and melo more often.
Its been discussed since Melo came to Ny and is effective when they do it.
Why does everyone overreact around here. Everyone just calm the F' up. Amare is a beast next game he is gonna be in boasting mode.
Vmart wrote:Why does everyone overreact around here. Everyone just calm the F' up. Amare is a beast next game he is gonna be in boasting mode.
Its reality.
Continuing to say Amare is a beast is not reality. He is a shell of what he was.
Michael6835 wrote:VDesai wrote:nyk4ever wrote:i don't care how many points amare had tonight - he made absolutely zero impact on the game. he has completely lost all explosiveness around the hoop and can't finish. he plays no defense whatsoever and doesn't even attempt to stop layups. dude acts like a tough guy but he plays softer than steve kerr. i've had enough of amare.if he really is out next game, it's probably addition by subtraction because amare is just a detriment right now.
Was Amare really this bad tonight? I don't think so. He certainly needs to be much better defensively, but the guy just never got the ball. Melo took 26 shots Amare took 9. You cannot get Amare Stoudemire only 9 shots. He scored 18 pts- meaning 2 for every time he shot. That's pretty freaking good. He is an efficient scorer and we have yet to figure out a way to use him with Carmelo Anthony on the floor.
I don't know why they wouldn't do pick and roll with amare and melo more often.
I don't get that either even with Dantoni coaching who ran nash/amare pnr's all day. all season there has never been an effort made to get them to play together. It is one or the other. They rarely look to pass the ball to each other even when open. They rather go one on one and forced up a shot on the triple team or step out of bounds
Amare pulled a Kevin Brown.
He couldn't handle the heat (both literally and figuratively) and would rather not play the rest of the way.
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mrKnickShot wrote:Vmart wrote:Why does everyone overreact around here. Everyone just calm the F' up. Amare is a beast next game he is gonna be in boasting mode.
Its reality.
Continuing to say Amare is a beast is not reality. He is a shell of what he was.
I think Amare is a lot harder on himself. Reality, Amare is having a difficult year. It's a road game you guys aren't really expecting victory on the road are you. Take care of home field than steal a game from the heat that is pretty much how the Knicks are going to pull the upset.
let's wait until we see what happens for game 3 before going crazy. but this was a dumb move by amar'e. no composure.
if he's gonna punch something like that and knock himself out for the series... punch lebron! (kidding... mostly)
I was told I was crazy for wishing we could ship Amare to Philly for Elton Brand's expiring contract.
VDesai wrote:nyk4ever wrote:i don't care how many points amare had tonight - he made absolutely zero impact on the game. he has completely lost all explosiveness around the hoop and can't finish. he plays no defense whatsoever and doesn't even attempt to stop layups. dude acts like a tough guy but he plays softer than steve kerr. i've had enough of amare.if he really is out next game, it's probably addition by subtraction because amare is just a detriment right now.
Was Amare really this bad tonight? I don't think so. He certainly needs to be much better defensively, but the guy just never got the ball. Melo took 26 shots Amare took 9. You cannot get Amare Stoudemire only 9 shots. He scored 18 pts- meaning 2 for every time he shot. That's pretty freaking good. He is an efficient scorer and we have yet to figure out a way to use him with Carmelo Anthony on the floor.
des for every basket that amare scores, he gives up defensively.
maybe he wasn't that bad tonight, maybe i'm just tired of seeing the crap from him. i can't watch him stand under the hoop defensively while a player drives right past him for an easy bucket. i wanna see him give a hard foul just once or make a play on the ball.
I finally get it! Amare is a genius! He punched the glass so no one would talk about how bad we actually are. All we are hearing is how he hurt his hand.
nyk4ever wrote:VDesai wrote:nyk4ever wrote:i don't care how many points amare had tonight - he made absolutely zero impact on the game. he has completely lost all explosiveness around the hoop and can't finish. he plays no defense whatsoever and doesn't even attempt to stop layups. dude acts like a tough guy but he plays softer than steve kerr. i've had enough of amare.if he really is out next game, it's probably addition by subtraction because amare is just a detriment right now.
Was Amare really this bad tonight? I don't think so. He certainly needs to be much better defensively, but the guy just never got the ball. Melo took 26 shots Amare took 9. You cannot get Amare Stoudemire only 9 shots. He scored 18 pts- meaning 2 for every time he shot. That's pretty freaking good. He is an efficient scorer and we have yet to figure out a way to use him with Carmelo Anthony on the floor.
des for every basket that amare scores, he gives up defensively.
maybe he wasn't that bad tonight, maybe i'm just tired of seeing the crap from him. i can't watch him stand under the hoop defensively while a player drives right past him for an easy bucket. i wanna see him give a hard foul just once or make a play on the ball.
They talked on the Herd today about Derrick Rose and how he was a +3 player because the Bulls scored 8 more pts when he played but gave up 5 more on defense. LBJ was a +12 player. It would be interesting to see where Amare fell with this rating scalee
nyk4ever wrote:VDesai wrote:nyk4ever wrote:i don't care how many points amare had tonight - he made absolutely zero impact on the game. he has completely lost all explosiveness around the hoop and can't finish. he plays no defense whatsoever and doesn't even attempt to stop layups. dude acts like a tough guy but he plays softer than steve kerr. i've had enough of amare.if he really is out next game, it's probably addition by subtraction because amare is just a detriment right now.
Was Amare really this bad tonight? I don't think so. He certainly needs to be much better defensively, but the guy just never got the ball. Melo took 26 shots Amare took 9. You cannot get Amare Stoudemire only 9 shots. He scored 18 pts- meaning 2 for every time he shot. That's pretty freaking good. He is an efficient scorer and we have yet to figure out a way to use him with Carmelo Anthony on the floor.
des for every basket that amare scores, he gives up defensively.
maybe he wasn't that bad tonight, maybe i'm just tired of seeing the crap from him. i can't watch him stand under the hoop defensively while a player drives right past him for an easy bucket. i wanna see him give a hard foul just once or make a play on the ball.
No one would've made that statement last year, when Amare was the primary option and averaging 27ppg on better than 50% shooting. He was just as bad defensively last year too. Its highlighted more when he doesn't get shots. If he scores the way he can score (and in the 6 games he's been back and the 6 or so games prior to his injury, he has shown that skill), then no one's talking about kicking him to the curb.
He's just today's whipping boy the way Melo was in the first half of the year. The reality is both have their readily apparent flaws. Melo was a total ball stopper today- I don't care that he scored 30 pts, he barely looked to set anyone up and took a number of bad shots. To compound things he totally pouted after every play and didn't get back on D at all more than a half dozen times. In the 2nd quarter when he was out of the game was probably our best offensive stretch.
That being said we know what he can do - we saw it when Amare is out, he totally carried us and played an all around game. Just like before the Melo trade, Amare carried us. Both of these can do it, we just can't figure out how to make it work.
But we can't overreact because we are losing to the Heat. Its freaking Lebron James and Dwayne Wade. They are both built like brick houses, run 4.4 40's and have 40 inch verticals. When they are on their game you have to execute perfectly to compete.
