It is no secret Novak hasn't been much of a factor in this series. Is it possible that he can't succeed against a defense like Miami, or does the blame lie in an inability to get him involved by Woodson? I will admit, Novak hasen't seemed to be able to create his own shots...
novak has never been able to create his own shot....he is the type of player who will benefit from others ability to drive and kick. But the issue is we only have one play who can drive and kick and that is melo. Novak in the right offense with the right players around him is a real weapon. He need to learn how to get his shot off a dribble, or even get more involved i.e. mike miller or better yet mike dunleavy. Until then Novak is a spot up shooter who is easy to defend!
Miller and Dunleavy both can dribble and/or move without the ball - Matt Bonner is a better example.
Novak can still be very valuable against most other teams where penetrating their defense is more feasible and a PG would definitely help.
Novak is deadly if he has the support and cover of his team mates. This is why it is important to do team ball. I have seen when they pulverized the Mavs, Mav fans were saying 'Geez... can't Novak miss a shot!?'
fin89 wrote:It is no secret Novak hasn't been much of a factor in this series. Is it possible that he can't succeed against a defense like Miami, or does the blame lie in an inability to get him involved by Woodson? I will admit, Novak hasen't seemed to be able to create his own shots...
No. The blame always lie on melo in this place.
mrKnickShot wrote:Miller and Dunleavy both can dribble and/or move without the ball - Matt Bonner is a better example.Novak can still be very valuable against most other teams where penetrating their defense is more feasible and a PG would definitely help.
Bonner is a very good example. I think he's a better shooter than Bonner but Bonner is a much bed (less bad) rebounder. Novak is good enough that he definitely deserves a spot on any team's roster and I hope we can keep him. He's an easy guy to root for. The upside is that I think he's lowered his value a lot this series and we should be able to keep him more easily.
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Miller and Dunleavy both can dribble and/or move without the ball - Matt Bonner is a better example.Novak can still be very valuable against most other teams where penetrating their defense is more feasible and a PG would definitely help.
Bonner is a very good example. I think he's a better shooter than Bonner but Bonner is a much bed (less bad) rebounder. Novak is good enough that he definitely deserves a spot on any team's roster and I hope we can keep him. He's an easy guy to root for. The upside is that I think he's lowered his value a lot this series and we should be able to keep him more easily.
Good points - I do think Novak lowered his value but I still believe we will be priced out.
Novak is not a good defender but he actually boxes out pretty well (though far from a "good" rebounder).
There's nothing wrong with Novak, that a motion set and good picks/screens and crisp passes wouldn't cure!!! There's no reason that you can't run the plays we have that have lots of motion off the ball and good misdirection to get Novak and JR great open looks. The one time we ran one of those plays today, they did it all wrong!!! They had Novak and Melo on the strong side together and Melo ended up being the screener which you never want Melo to do. You want Novak on the weakside to number one space the floor for Melo and number two make use of Jared, Tyson, or anyone else for that matter to set the screen for him.
Miami's switch defense is a thing of beauty.
Novack's game is execution of what the defense gives you. Miami was not having any of that.
The Defense Miami plays is impressive as hell.
I think some of the blame lies on guys not getting him the ball and the coach not running a few plays to get him open. They defense has been very good on him and he can't create his own shot and is actually a bad shooter when he can't just fire off the catch, but it looks like the Knicks ran one play all series when they screened for him and he was wide open. There is no reason we can't do more of this especially if JR Smith is going to get 18 shots a night
MS wrote:I think some of the blame lies on guys not getting him the ball and the coach not running a few plays to get him open. They defense has been very good on him and he can't create his own shot and is actually a bad shooter when he can't just fire off the catch, but it looks like the Knicks ran one play all series when they screened for him and he was wide open. There is no reason we can't do more of this especially if JR Smith is going to get 18 shots a night
Those are very good points. It is surprising how bad a shooter he is when he tries to create his own shot. JR drives me crazy. I recognize that he plays hard; he just has the dumbest, most narcissistic shot selection in the league.
spreeeewell wrote:fin89 wrote:It is no secret Novak hasn't been much of a factor in this series. Is it possible that he can't succeed against a defense like Miami, or does the blame lie in an inability to get him involved by Woodson? I will admit, Novak hasen't seemed to be able to create his own shots...
No. The blame always lie on melo in this place.
For injuries too. And for JR missing open threes, but not for Bibby hitting any. And for all coaching changes. And for ownership stupidity. And dont' forget, for not winning a playoff game for the 9 years prior to getting here.
JR will get the shot attempts on the wing because no one's worried about Novak blowing past them and posterizing them at the rim. JR's not wearing number 8 for nothing.
Bibby was getting shots because the Heat had thought he was retired and was one of their assistant coaches...
kNYks342 wrote:novak has never been able to create his own shot....he is the type of player who will benefit from others ability to drive and kick. But the issue is we only have one play who can drive and kick and that is melo. Novak in the right offense with the right players around him is a real weapon. He need to learn how to get his shot off a dribble, or even get more involved i.e. mike miller or better yet mike dunleavy. Until then Novak is a spot up shooter who is easy to defend!
Simple answer that makes sense. Miami's defense is tough even against a team that has a legit PG who can penetrate consistently. Without one..everyone's job (Melo, Stat, Novak, etc) is a lot tougher
Novak is a minimum salary player for a reason.
I dont expect Novak to carry the team when he doesnt have the physical tools to do so.
AnubisADL wrote:Novak is a minimum salary player for a reason. I dont expect Novak to carry the team when he doesnt have the physical tools to do so.
Thats because WE don't set picks for him
Bonn1997 wrote:MS wrote:I think some of the blame lies on guys not getting him the ball and the coach not running a few plays to get him open. They defense has been very good on him and he can't create his own shot and is actually a bad shooter when he can't just fire off the catch, but it looks like the Knicks ran one play all series when they screened for him and he was wide open. There is no reason we can't do more of this especially if JR Smith is going to get 18 shots a night
Those are very good points. It is surprising how bad a shooter he is when he tries to create his own shot. JR drives me crazy. I recognize that he plays hard; he just has the dumbest, most narcissistic shot selection in the league.
We can run the very same pick plays for JR too. In fact we have but for some reason Woody hasn't really called for the plays enough. When he did do it in the last game they did it wrong by using Melo to set the screen rather than one of our bigs or a role player. Still Novak was WIDE OPEN. For a shooter that only needs as second to get his shot off, a good screen is all he needs!!!
nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:MS wrote:I think some of the blame lies on guys not getting him the ball and the coach not running a few plays to get him open. They defense has been very good on him and he can't create his own shot and is actually a bad shooter when he can't just fire off the catch, but it looks like the Knicks ran one play all series when they screened for him and he was wide open. There is no reason we can't do more of this especially if JR Smith is going to get 18 shots a night
Those are very good points. It is surprising how bad a shooter he is when he tries to create his own shot. JR drives me crazy. I recognize that he plays hard; he just has the dumbest, most narcissistic shot selection in the league.
We can run the very same pick plays for JR too. In fact we have but for some reason Woody hasn't really called for the plays enough. When he did do it in the last game they did it wrong by using Melo to set the screen rather than one of our bigs or a role player. Still Novak was WIDE OPEN. For a shooter that only needs as second to get his shot off, a good screen is all he needs!!!
In that case - if a guy can shoot and does not have to move at all, Travis Ford would have been amazing in the NBA. It ain't all black and white offenses have to adjust to real-time defenses.
The answer to this thread is plain and simple: His partner number 17 is sitting down on the bench. The Lin/Novak Show took a huge hit because of it.
It'll be raining 3's all day long if Lin finds Novak camped along the Perimeter line and Woodson shut his mouth up once in awhile about calling Iso for Melo.
I love Novak but he is one dimensional he is not Ray Allen or Reggie Miller if he is not wide open he can't do anything
Mray20 wrote:I love Novak but he is one dimensional he is not Ray Allen or Reggie Miller if he is not wide open he can't do anything
At least he can be used as a defensive replacement for Amare in those situations.
He's been open at times- though not as much during the regular season.
Guys just haven't gotten him the ball.
Coach needs to make adjustments- and I don't think we have.
If they are going to pay so much attention to Novak, there's got to be a way to exploit that- like running a pick and roll with him and Melo, or something with both he and Melo and Amar'e.
