Knicks · Woody looking out for Lin IMO (page 2)
ChuckBuck wrote:He obviously doesn't want to jeopardize his upcoming free agent contract status, that's the only argument I have, which is 100% correct. SAS wasn't far off on his criticism, is 15 minutes a game too much??? Last time I checked 3 on 3 basketball is not stretching, resistance bands, swimming pool running, and strengthening exercises(I've gone through heavy rehab). Maybe the word "selfish" is too strong for you Lin lovers, so I'll say he's "cognizant" of not ruining his free agent chances.
it is 100% correct but it is also 100% naive - almost willingly so - of the full situation.
martin wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:He obviously doesn't want to jeopardize his upcoming free agent contract status, that's the only argument I have, which is 100% correct. SAS wasn't far off on his criticism, is 15 minutes a game too much??? Last time I checked 3 on 3 basketball is not stretching, resistance bands, swimming pool running, and strengthening exercises(I've gone through heavy rehab). Maybe the word "selfish" is too strong for you Lin lovers, so I'll say he's "cognizant" of not ruining his free agent chances.it is 100% correct but it is also 100% naive - almost willingly so - of the full situation.
It's a moot point anyways since Woody already said he's not playing in this series. It's just a shame, but understandable due to his financial ramifications. Just watching Al Horford battle the way he did against Boston last night, not even certain he was going to play until tipoff, but willing to sacrifice his body to help his team.
I got to the arena around 5 oclock, and I didnt know if I was going to play, Horford said in a corner of the locker room late Tuesday night. It was pregame. I was real uncertain. I was feeling tight. I couldnt get my full range of motion in my pec and my shoulder.
SlimChin wrote:he hasn't been cleared by doctors.
dude is a groupie who refuses to hear that. He's been told Lin hasn't been cleared by at least half a dozen posters and won't get it. He can't handle the truth and would rather see Lin come back and get injured just to feed is psychotic fix.
http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2012/05/he...
The last game Jeremy Lin played was March 24, a 10179 win over the Detroit Pistons. It was a blowout no Knick played more than 30 minutes and it was not one of Lin's better games this year. He scored thirteen points and turned the ball over seven times. A week later, the Knicks announced he was having knee surgery. We assumed Lin was gone for the season, and why wouldn't we? But now, it's possible he could return just when the Knicks need him even more urgently than ever. Why wouldn't the Knicks at least try to get Lin back on the court?
Everyone's being noncommittal about Lin playing, but the odds would seem to be against it Mike Woodson says, "We'll make some decisions before we get on the plane and head to Miami," Howard Beck of the Times says "Jeremy Lin sounding very unlikely," and the Knicks just cancelled today's practice. Sure, rushing Lin back ahead of schedule might be pushing it. But isn't that what the playoffs are about?
Please, do not get us wrong: We're not saying that there's something wrong with Lin if he doesn't play Wednesday, like he's somehow soft or not Playoff Ready. If the guy physically cannot run and twist and turn, he shouldn't be out there. (And surely the Knicks training staff wouldn't let him anyway.) We're just saying that there is caution, and there is being too cautious.
There is certainly a legitimate school of thought that the Knicks aren't likely to win this series anyway, and that pushing Lin could somehow endanger his future. (Here's a good summing up of that viewpoint.) Meniscus tears are notoriously difficult to project; every one is different, which goes in both directions, of course. But let's take a step back for a moment. One of the major arguments against playing Lin appears to be, "Well, he's such a major part of the franchise's future." Wait, is he? Well, we think so, but we keep hearing a bunch of chatter about Steve Nash and Jason Kidd, too. Next year, no matter what, the Knicks will bring in some point guard help, even if they re-sign Lin; they're not going to make that mistake again. But right now, there is no point guard help. There is just Mike Bibby, and then the spot across the floor that Toney Douglas stares at so that he does not cry when Woodson constantly looks past him on the bench. If there were ever a time when even a slightly gimpy Lin could help, it's now.
The Knicks aren't going to beat the Heat anyway, the argument goes. Well, they certainly aren't with that attitude, mister! The playoffs only happen once a year, and not nearly that often around here. The Knicks are unlikely to win three games in a row against Miami, but this is still a palpable, non-theoretical series; it's one the Knicks can actually win, rather than one we imagine them having a potential chance of playing in a year. It's the playoffs, a concrete reality; it's more than possible that the Knicks would be trying to save Lin for a future that might not come.
More to the point: Even if Lin can't play more than twenty minutes and it'd be tough to see how he could the lift it would provide this team, and the fan base, would be incalculable. Of all the silly things to happen this year, memorable, glorious, and painful, without question this is going to go down as the Year of Jeremy Lin. Knicks fans just need to see him one last time this year, before this off-season turns into another mad dash to dole out Dolan bucks for Phil Jackson, for Nash, for whatever. Even if the Knicks can't beat the Heat and let us be clear: We do not think they're going to seeing Lin would have considerable cathartic value.
And who knows? Maybe he'll be terrific, instantly. He's certainly done less likely things this year. If Lin can't play, he can't play. We'll accept that. But it'd be really fantastic if he could play. You just have to think it's worth a shot. One suspects Lin feels the exact same way.
Just give it a shot at least, do it for the fans, do it for your teammates. How often do you get to play in the playoffs? Him not playing is 100% about the Knicks/Lin protecting their investment for this summer's free agency, not about him not being cleared to play or his health or readiness. He's already been on record saying he felt 85%, well 85% of Lin is twice a healthy Bibby.
ChuckBuck wrote:Here's an article explaining why he should play by one of the better Knicks writers Will Leitch, even if it's 15-20 minutes...just the lift it'd give his teammates. And also a little thing called the "playoffs".http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2012/05/he...
The last game Jeremy Lin played was March 24, a 10179 win over the Detroit Pistons. It was a blowout no Knick played more than 30 minutes and it was not one of Lin's better games this year. He scored thirteen points and turned the ball over seven times. A week later, the Knicks announced he was having knee surgery. We assumed Lin was gone for the season, and why wouldn't we? But now, it's possible he could return just when the Knicks need him even more urgently than ever. Why wouldn't the Knicks at least try to get Lin back on the court?
Everyone's being noncommittal about Lin playing, but the odds would seem to be against it Mike Woodson says, "We'll make some decisions before we get on the plane and head to Miami," Howard Beck of the Times says "Jeremy Lin sounding very unlikely," and the Knicks just cancelled today's practice. Sure, rushing Lin back ahead of schedule might be pushing it. But isn't that what the playoffs are about?
Please, do not get us wrong: We're not saying that there's something wrong with Lin if he doesn't play Wednesday, like he's somehow soft or not Playoff Ready. If the guy physically cannot run and twist and turn, he shouldn't be out there. (And surely the Knicks training staff wouldn't let him anyway.) We're just saying that there is caution, and there is being too cautious.
There is certainly a legitimate school of thought that the Knicks aren't likely to win this series anyway, and that pushing Lin could somehow endanger his future. (Here's a good summing up of that viewpoint.) Meniscus tears are notoriously difficult to project; every one is different, which goes in both directions, of course. But let's take a step back for a moment. One of the major arguments against playing Lin appears to be, "Well, he's such a major part of the franchise's future." Wait, is he? Well, we think so, but we keep hearing a bunch of chatter about Steve Nash and Jason Kidd, too. Next year, no matter what, the Knicks will bring in some point guard help, even if they re-sign Lin; they're not going to make that mistake again. But right now, there is no point guard help. There is just Mike Bibby, and then the spot across the floor that Toney Douglas stares at so that he does not cry when Woodson constantly looks past him on the bench. If there were ever a time when even a slightly gimpy Lin could help, it's now.
The Knicks aren't going to beat the Heat anyway, the argument goes. Well, they certainly aren't with that attitude, mister! The playoffs only happen once a year, and not nearly that often around here. The Knicks are unlikely to win three games in a row against Miami, but this is still a palpable, non-theoretical series; it's one the Knicks can actually win, rather than one we imagine them having a potential chance of playing in a year. It's the playoffs, a concrete reality; it's more than possible that the Knicks would be trying to save Lin for a future that might not come.
More to the point: Even if Lin can't play more than twenty minutes and it'd be tough to see how he could the lift it would provide this team, and the fan base, would be incalculable. Of all the silly things to happen this year, memorable, glorious, and painful, without question this is going to go down as the Year of Jeremy Lin. Knicks fans just need to see him one last time this year, before this off-season turns into another mad dash to dole out Dolan bucks for Phil Jackson, for Nash, for whatever. Even if the Knicks can't beat the Heat and let us be clear: We do not think they're going to seeing Lin would have considerable cathartic value.
And who knows? Maybe he'll be terrific, instantly. He's certainly done less likely things this year. If Lin can't play, he can't play. We'll accept that. But it'd be really fantastic if he could play. You just have to think it's worth a shot. One suspects Lin feels the exact same way.Just give it a shot at least, do it for the fans, do it for your teammates. How often do you get to play in the playoffs? Him not playing is 100% about the Knicks/Lin protecting their investment for this summer's free agency, not about him not being cleared to play or his health or readiness. He's already been on record saying he felt 85%, well 85% of Lin is twice a healthy Bibby.
you didn't read the article correctly. There is a preface about him being healthy enough to play, which you ignore.
Jeremy Lin had hoped he could return for this opening-round series against the Heat, but after testing his knee and consulting with some Knicks' veterans he decided not to push it.Lin said he tried going all out on his surgically-repaired left knee two days ago, and felt pain and tightness. He still hasn't played 5-on-5 and said he and the doctors don't feel comfortable with him returning yet.
"When I worked out I was probably going 80, 85 percent, and I just figured in a week I might be 100," Lin said at Wednesday's morning shootaround. "But there was nothing to set back. It's just I think to get from 85 percent to 100 percent it takes more time than I may have thought.
"They said I need to be able to trust the knee and right now there's some tightness and soreness and I need to get that out obviously before I get to be 100 percent. That's what we're doing, a lot of manual stuff to get everything out and all the stuff that doesn't need to be there and just trying to make it pain free."
martin wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Here's an article explaining why he should play by one of the better Knicks writers Will Leitch, even if it's 15-20 minutes...just the lift it'd give his teammates. And also a little thing called the "playoffs".http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2012/05/he...
The last game Jeremy Lin played was March 24, a 10179 win over the Detroit Pistons. It was a blowout no Knick played more than 30 minutes and it was not one of Lin's better games this year. He scored thirteen points and turned the ball over seven times. A week later, the Knicks announced he was having knee surgery. We assumed Lin was gone for the season, and why wouldn't we? But now, it's possible he could return just when the Knicks need him even more urgently than ever. Why wouldn't the Knicks at least try to get Lin back on the court?
Everyone's being noncommittal about Lin playing, but the odds would seem to be against it Mike Woodson says, "We'll make some decisions before we get on the plane and head to Miami," Howard Beck of the Times says "Jeremy Lin sounding very unlikely," and the Knicks just cancelled today's practice. Sure, rushing Lin back ahead of schedule might be pushing it. But isn't that what the playoffs are about?
Please, do not get us wrong: We're not saying that there's something wrong with Lin if he doesn't play Wednesday, like he's somehow soft or not Playoff Ready. If the guy physically cannot run and twist and turn, he shouldn't be out there. (And surely the Knicks training staff wouldn't let him anyway.) We're just saying that there is caution, and there is being too cautious.
There is certainly a legitimate school of thought that the Knicks aren't likely to win this series anyway, and that pushing Lin could somehow endanger his future. (Here's a good summing up of that viewpoint.) Meniscus tears are notoriously difficult to project; every one is different, which goes in both directions, of course. But let's take a step back for a moment. One of the major arguments against playing Lin appears to be, "Well, he's such a major part of the franchise's future." Wait, is he? Well, we think so, but we keep hearing a bunch of chatter about Steve Nash and Jason Kidd, too. Next year, no matter what, the Knicks will bring in some point guard help, even if they re-sign Lin; they're not going to make that mistake again. But right now, there is no point guard help. There is just Mike Bibby, and then the spot across the floor that Toney Douglas stares at so that he does not cry when Woodson constantly looks past him on the bench. If there were ever a time when even a slightly gimpy Lin could help, it's now.
The Knicks aren't going to beat the Heat anyway, the argument goes. Well, they certainly aren't with that attitude, mister! The playoffs only happen once a year, and not nearly that often around here. The Knicks are unlikely to win three games in a row against Miami, but this is still a palpable, non-theoretical series; it's one the Knicks can actually win, rather than one we imagine them having a potential chance of playing in a year. It's the playoffs, a concrete reality; it's more than possible that the Knicks would be trying to save Lin for a future that might not come.
More to the point: Even if Lin can't play more than twenty minutes and it'd be tough to see how he could the lift it would provide this team, and the fan base, would be incalculable. Of all the silly things to happen this year, memorable, glorious, and painful, without question this is going to go down as the Year of Jeremy Lin. Knicks fans just need to see him one last time this year, before this off-season turns into another mad dash to dole out Dolan bucks for Phil Jackson, for Nash, for whatever. Even if the Knicks can't beat the Heat and let us be clear: We do not think they're going to seeing Lin would have considerable cathartic value.
And who knows? Maybe he'll be terrific, instantly. He's certainly done less likely things this year. If Lin can't play, he can't play. We'll accept that. But it'd be really fantastic if he could play. You just have to think it's worth a shot. One suspects Lin feels the exact same way.Just give it a shot at least, do it for the fans, do it for your teammates. How often do you get to play in the playoffs? Him not playing is 100% about the Knicks/Lin protecting their investment for this summer's free agency, not about him not being cleared to play or his health or readiness. He's already been on record saying he felt 85%, well 85% of Lin is twice a healthy Bibby.
you didn't read the article correctly. There is a preface about him being healthy enough to play, which you ignore.
Read that as a hypothetical "if". He already said he's being cautious to avoid setbacks and is already 85%, he just doesn't push it is all.
Lin is erring on the side of caution by not rushing a comeback against the Heat, a move that neither risks his knee or his earning potential this summer as a restricted free agent.
martin wrote:http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-lin-does-not-want-to-rush-return-1.3708381Jeremy Lin had hoped he could return for this opening-round series against the Heat, but after testing his knee and consulting with some Knicks' veterans he decided not to push it.Lin said he tried going all out on his surgically-repaired left knee two days ago, and felt pain and tightness. He still hasn't played 5-on-5 and said he and the doctors don't feel comfortable with him returning yet.
"When I worked out I was probably going 80, 85 percent, and I just figured in a week I might be 100," Lin said at Wednesday's morning shootaround. "But there was nothing to set back. It's just I think to get from 85 percent to 100 percent it takes more time than I may have thought.
"They said I need to be able to trust the knee and right now there's some tightness and soreness and I need to get that out obviously before I get to be 100 percent. That's what we're doing, a lot of manual stuff to get everything out and all the stuff that doesn't need to be there and just trying to make it pain free."
Pain and soreness are normal coming back from sports injuries. It's getting over the mental roadblock that you have to push yourself and get the "re-injury fear" out of there.
ChuckBuck wrote:martin wrote:http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-lin-does-not-want-to-rush-return-1.3708381Jeremy Lin had hoped he could return for this opening-round series against the Heat, but after testing his knee and consulting with some Knicks' veterans he decided not to push it.Lin said he tried going all out on his surgically-repaired left knee two days ago, and felt pain and tightness. He still hasn't played 5-on-5 and said he and the doctors don't feel comfortable with him returning yet.
"When I worked out I was probably going 80, 85 percent, and I just figured in a week I might be 100," Lin said at Wednesday's morning shootaround. "But there was nothing to set back. It's just I think to get from 85 percent to 100 percent it takes more time than I may have thought.
"They said I need to be able to trust the knee and right now there's some tightness and soreness and I need to get that out obviously before I get to be 100 percent. That's what we're doing, a lot of manual stuff to get everything out and all the stuff that doesn't need to be there and just trying to make it pain free."
Pain and soreness are normal coming back from sports injuries. It's getting over the mental roadblock that you have to push yourself and get the "re-injury fear" out of there.
you sound like you play doctor on fan websites
martin wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:martin wrote:http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-lin-does-not-want-to-rush-return-1.3708381Jeremy Lin had hoped he could return for this opening-round series against the Heat, but after testing his knee and consulting with some Knicks' veterans he decided not to push it.Lin said he tried going all out on his surgically-repaired left knee two days ago, and felt pain and tightness. He still hasn't played 5-on-5 and said he and the doctors don't feel comfortable with him returning yet.
"When I worked out I was probably going 80, 85 percent, and I just figured in a week I might be 100," Lin said at Wednesday's morning shootaround. "But there was nothing to set back. It's just I think to get from 85 percent to 100 percent it takes more time than I may have thought.
"They said I need to be able to trust the knee and right now there's some tightness and soreness and I need to get that out obviously before I get to be 100 percent. That's what we're doing, a lot of manual stuff to get everything out and all the stuff that doesn't need to be there and just trying to make it pain free."
Pain and soreness are normal coming back from sports injuries. It's getting over the mental roadblock that you have to push yourself and get the "re-injury fear" out of there.
you sound like you play doctor on fan websites
First hand experience, life experience? I dunno I get injured or get operated on, I recover, rehab, get on with my life. What's so hard about that?
ChuckBuck wrote:martin wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:martin wrote:http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-lin-does-not-want-to-rush-return-1.3708381Jeremy Lin had hoped he could return for this opening-round series against the Heat, but after testing his knee and consulting with some Knicks' veterans he decided not to push it.Lin said he tried going all out on his surgically-repaired left knee two days ago, and felt pain and tightness. He still hasn't played 5-on-5 and said he and the doctors don't feel comfortable with him returning yet.
"When I worked out I was probably going 80, 85 percent, and I just figured in a week I might be 100," Lin said at Wednesday's morning shootaround. "But there was nothing to set back. It's just I think to get from 85 percent to 100 percent it takes more time than I may have thought.
"They said I need to be able to trust the knee and right now there's some tightness and soreness and I need to get that out obviously before I get to be 100 percent. That's what we're doing, a lot of manual stuff to get everything out and all the stuff that doesn't need to be there and just trying to make it pain free."
Pain and soreness are normal coming back from sports injuries. It's getting over the mental roadblock that you have to push yourself and get the "re-injury fear" out of there.
you sound like you play doctor on fan websites
First hand experience, life experience? I dunno I get injured or get operated on, I recover, rehab, get on with my life. What's so hard about that?
nothing, but you are trying to project something onto the Lin situation which you have zero clue about and then making a conclusion about it for which you really have zero evidence to support it.
martin wrote:There a little bit difference when you are a pro athlete especially going into this type of situtation like the knicks are in against a team like the heatChuckBuck wrote:martin wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:martin wrote:http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-lin-does-not-want-to-rush-return-1.3708381Jeremy Lin had hoped he could return for this opening-round series against the Heat, but after testing his knee and consulting with some Knicks' veterans he decided not to push it.Lin said he tried going all out on his surgically-repaired left knee two days ago, and felt pain and tightness. He still hasn't played 5-on-5 and said he and the doctors don't feel comfortable with him returning yet.
"When I worked out I was probably going 80, 85 percent, and I just figured in a week I might be 100," Lin said at Wednesday's morning shootaround. "But there was nothing to set back. It's just I think to get from 85 percent to 100 percent it takes more time than I may have thought.
"They said I need to be able to trust the knee and right now there's some tightness and soreness and I need to get that out obviously before I get to be 100 percent. That's what we're doing, a lot of manual stuff to get everything out and all the stuff that doesn't need to be there and just trying to make it pain free."
Pain and soreness are normal coming back from sports injuries. It's getting over the mental roadblock that you have to push yourself and get the "re-injury fear" out of there.
you sound like you play doctor on fan websites
First hand experience, life experience? I dunno I get injured or get operated on, I recover, rehab, get on with my life. What's so hard about that?
nothing, but you are trying to project something onto the Lin situation which you have zero clue about and then making a conclusion about it for which you really have zero evidence to support it.
loweyecue wrote:This is exactly what is becoming the prevalent culture. People take idiotic articles put there own spin on it come to some fantastic conclusion and then keep repeating it like its the truth because THEY think it is. This is so Bush and Fox TV-esque. I guess people who create and live in their alternate reality are just going mainstream.
Its an Isola article so I agree. There is nothing to it. Frank's selling papers.
ChuckBuck wrote:Just wish Lin let it all hang out on the court, but points moot now. Personally I'd really want the Knicks to push for Goran Dragic, the better point out of these 2 in free agency, but I don't see Dolan leaving those Asian dollars and jersey sales on the table.Chuck i think you are being unfair. Yes we could use lin since he is our best point guard but he obvioulsy isn't near 100 percent. First of all it wouldnt help us if luin cant penetrate and second of all ther is a greater possibility of him getting hurt even more since he is not fully recovered. You shouldnt question Lin's heart because from what i've seen the kid puts it all out there
This guy needs to rebuild that knee through rigorous training exercises and get his confidence back. Any injury from recouping is mental we all know that. Its not even 2 months and your thinking he can come back.. WHAT A JOKE.
ChuckBuck wrote:You guys are making it out to be more than it is. It's a slight meniscus tear not an ACL or major ligament or something more serious. Some people get arthroscopic surgery on their meniscus, and go to work 2 weeks later.
Is their work pro sports?