Knicks · Damn Wade/Lebron, Pacers making you look bad (page 3)
GustavBahler wrote:ESPN reporting that the Heat cancelled practice and media availability. Hmmmm
Riley tearing into the players mainly Wade is all
OasisBU wrote:gunsnewing wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gunsnewing wrote:They really need to trade WadeThey're talking on ESPN about trading Bosh and Wade to the Magic for Howard. Interesting idea.
Wow if Miami goes down early I can definitely see that. Orlando will never get better value in return
That trade would probably get Lebron his ring if Howard recovers from his backiotomy.
I want to talk to Sampson and fly me to the moon like that Bitch Alice Kramden
Jmpasq wrote:Dwayne Wade has to be hurt. That was the worst game Ive seen him play in the NBA. Did u guys watch the defensive rotations he wasnt moving. I dont know what was going on with him. Wade has been injured his whole career he might not have much left in the tank. If I was the Heat Id trade him. The Magic wont get a better player then that. Could u imagine how pissed Wade would be. He got them to come to Miami and they ship him out
To me it was just another example of a star dogging it for a coach that he does not like.
The Pacers are sharing the ball and getting major contributions from everywhere. The Pacers have size, Depth and they've dug in on D. Right now the Pacers are the better team. Wade and Lebron will have to step up several levels to make up for their weaker supporting cast. If Wade and Lebron both go off, then can beat the Pacers, but they have to do it 3 more times and i'm not sure they can. Especially since like the Knicks they have to change how they were playing all year with Bosh out.
gunsnewing wrote:This is why I dont think the Knicks are too far off from beating Miami. Miami lost one Key guy and they afe collapsing. Knicks played very well at various points in the season even though they were never at full strength for over 7games at a time.
Pretty much. A healthy Knicks team is better than the Pacers; we pretty much proved that during the reg season....
Uptown wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is why I dont think the Knicks are too far off from beating Miami. Miami lost one Key guy and they afe collapsing. Knicks played very well at various points in the season even though they were never at full strength for over 7games at a time.Pretty much. A healthy Knicks team is better than the Pacers; we pretty much proved that during the reg season....
So why did the Pacers finished with a better record than us during the regular season?
KnicksFE wrote:Uptown wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is why I dont think the Knicks are too far off from beating Miami. Miami lost one Key guy and they afe collapsing. Knicks played very well at various points in the season even though they were never at full strength for over 7games at a time.Pretty much. A healthy Knicks team is better than the Pacers; we pretty much proved that during the reg season....
So why did the Pacers finished with a better record than us during the regular season?
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KnicksFE wrote:Uptown wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is why I dont think the Knicks are too far off from beating Miami. Miami lost one Key guy and they afe collapsing. Knicks played very well at various points in the season even though they were never at full strength for over 7games at a time.Pretty much. A healthy Knicks team is better than the Pacers; we pretty much proved that during the reg season....
So why did the Pacers finished with a better record than us during the regular season?
I think he meant due to our head to head matchups! I actually do think that the Knicks at full strength are a more dynamic team. This season sucked and i'm glad it's over. I want to see this Knicks team with a real off season, Training camp, Pre season and 82 games. I think this team can win the Atlantic the way they should've won it this year. Both the Knicks and Heat are top heavy teams so good health is essential. I'm hoping the Knicks can address the depth issues this summer.
nixluva wrote:KnicksFE wrote:Uptown wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is why I dont think the Knicks are too far off from beating Miami. Miami lost one Key guy and they afe collapsing. Knicks played very well at various points in the season even though they were never at full strength for over 7games at a time.Pretty much. A healthy Knicks team is better than the Pacers; we pretty much proved that during the reg season....
So why did the Pacers finished with a better record than us during the regular season?
I think he meant due to our head to head matchups! I actually do think that the Knicks at full strength are a more dynamic team. This season sucked and i'm glad it's over. I want to see this Knicks team with a real off season, Training camp, Pre season and 82 games. I think this team can win the Atlantic the way they should've won it this year. Both the Knicks and Heat are top heavy teams so good health is essential. I'm hoping the Knicks can address the depth issues this summer.
I agree that the Knicks at full strength were better than the Pacers - I just worry that the are rarely at full strength and we do lack the depth the Indiana has. Still, we beat them without a PG and Amare and we match up well against them.
I too hope that GG does a good job adding much needed depth for next season.
nixluva wrote:During Halftime of the Knicks/Heat Series the hosts Magic, Wilbon, Barry & Brussard all stated that they didn't like the way the Heat were playing even tho they were beating our injury riddled Knicks team. The Heat were able to take advantage of the Knicks who were having injury and chemistry problems and A coach that was struggling to find something that worked with what was left. The Heat weren't really playing that great but rather the Knicks were playing that bad. The Knicks struggled to hit shots or even run consistent offense. You can't beat the Heat with one guy.The Pacers are sharing the ball and getting major contributions from everywhere. The Pacers have size, Depth and they've dug in on D. Right now the Pacers are the better team. Wade and Lebron will have to step up several levels to make up for their weaker supporting cast. If Wade and Lebron both go off, then can beat the Pacers, but they have to do it 3 more times and i'm not sure they can. Especially since like the Knicks they have to change how they were playing all year with Bosh out.
Honestly I respect what Woodson did for the Knicks after MDA, but this exactly why I would prefer different coach for our team next season, the Indiana Pacers are moving the ball and exploiting their mismatches (size) against the Heat, they are not forcing the offense through Danny Granger arguably their best scorer the last few years. Otherwise, I don’t think they would be leading in the series.
On the other hand, the Knicks forced the offence waaaaay too much through Melo, even though he was going against MVP Lebron James, and honestly I don’t think we had the mismatch on our favor at the SF position at all. They should have shared the ball more.
And again, while I was not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, we lost four games by 18 points averages, way too poorly for whatever remaining talent the Knicks had, they should have player better. NO EXCUSES.
mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:KnicksFE wrote:Uptown wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is why I dont think the Knicks are too far off from beating Miami. Miami lost one Key guy and they afe collapsing. Knicks played very well at various points in the season even though they were never at full strength for over 7games at a time.Pretty much. A healthy Knicks team is better than the Pacers; we pretty much proved that during the reg season....
So why did the Pacers finished with a better record than us during the regular season?
I think he meant due to our head to head matchups! I actually do think that the Knicks at full strength are a more dynamic team. This season sucked and i'm glad it's over. I want to see this Knicks team with a real off season, Training camp, Pre season and 82 games. I think this team can win the Atlantic the way they should've won it this year. Both the Knicks and Heat are top heavy teams so good health is essential. I'm hoping the Knicks can address the depth issues this summer.I agree that the Knicks at full strength were better than the Pacers - I just worry that the are rarely at full strength and we do lack the depth the Indiana has. Still, we beat them without a PG and Amare and we match up well against them.
I too hope that GG does a good job adding much needed depth for next season.
I'm not so sure, Indiana’s core guys are very young with a lot of growth remaining; also I believe Indiana will have more than 20 million in salary cap in the offseason to add to their core guys, so while today we may have more talent, I’m not sure next year we will have the better team considering all the opportunities they will have.
KnicksFE wrote:nixluva wrote:During Halftime of the Knicks/Heat Series the hosts Magic, Wilbon, Barry & Brussard all stated that they didn't like the way the Heat were playing even tho they were beating our injury riddled Knicks team. The Heat were able to take advantage of the Knicks who were having injury and chemistry problems and A coach that was struggling to find something that worked with what was left. The Heat weren't really playing that great but rather the Knicks were playing that bad. The Knicks struggled to hit shots or even run consistent offense. You can't beat the Heat with one guy.The Pacers are sharing the ball and getting major contributions from everywhere. The Pacers have size, Depth and they've dug in on D. Right now the Pacers are the better team. Wade and Lebron will have to step up several levels to make up for their weaker supporting cast. If Wade and Lebron both go off, then can beat the Pacers, but they have to do it 3 more times and i'm not sure they can. Especially since like the Knicks they have to change how they were playing all year with Bosh out.
Honestly I respect what Woodson did for the Knicks after MDA, but this exactly why I would prefer different coach for our team next season, the Indiana Pacers are moving the ball and exploiting their mismatches (size) against the Heat, they are not forcing the offense through Danny Granger arguably their best scorer the last few years. Otherwise, I don’t think they would be leading in the series.
On the other hand, the Knicks forced the offence waaaaay too much through Melo, even though he was going against MVP Lebron James, and honestly I don’t think we had the mismatch on our favor at the SF position at all. They should have shared the ball more.
And again, while I was not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, we lost four games by 18 points averages, way too poorly for whatever remaining talent the Knicks had, they should have player better. NO EXCUSES.
I agree that the Knicks forced the offense through Melo way too much, but really, what else was there?
You can't play through Chandler. Amare was down with hand. Shump's knee down. No PG who could break down defense. Baron down. Nothing else left to do.
martin wrote:KnicksFE wrote:nixluva wrote:During Halftime of the Knicks/Heat Series the hosts Magic, Wilbon, Barry & Brussard all stated that they didn't like the way the Heat were playing even tho they were beating our injury riddled Knicks team. The Heat were able to take advantage of the Knicks who were having injury and chemistry problems and A coach that was struggling to find something that worked with what was left. The Heat weren't really playing that great but rather the Knicks were playing that bad. The Knicks struggled to hit shots or even run consistent offense. You can't beat the Heat with one guy.The Pacers are sharing the ball and getting major contributions from everywhere. The Pacers have size, Depth and they've dug in on D. Right now the Pacers are the better team. Wade and Lebron will have to step up several levels to make up for their weaker supporting cast. If Wade and Lebron both go off, then can beat the Pacers, but they have to do it 3 more times and i'm not sure they can. Especially since like the Knicks they have to change how they were playing all year with Bosh out.
Honestly I respect what Woodson did for the Knicks after MDA, but this exactly why I would prefer different coach for our team next season, the Indiana Pacers are moving the ball and exploiting their mismatches (size) against the Heat, they are not forcing the offense through Danny Granger arguably their best scorer the last few years. Otherwise, I don’t think they would be leading in the series.
On the other hand, the Knicks forced the offence waaaaay too much through Melo, even though he was going against MVP Lebron James, and honestly I don’t think we had the mismatch on our favor at the SF position at all. They should have shared the ball more.
And again, while I was not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, we lost four games by 18 points averages, way too poorly for whatever remaining talent the Knicks had, they should have player better. NO EXCUSES.
I agree that the Knicks forced the offense through Melo way too much, but really, what else was there?
You can't play through Chandler. Amare was down with hand. Shump's knee down. No PG who could break down defense. Baron down. Nothing else left to do.
Didn't the Knicks play the same way in game one, when we had Chandler, Amare, and Shumper for most of the game?
The botton line is tha the Knicks were losing each game by 18, Woodson should have tried something, anything, his only game plan consisted on giving the ball to Melo while and every one eslse just stad around.
KnicksFE wrote:martin wrote:KnicksFE wrote:nixluva wrote:During Halftime of the Knicks/Heat Series the hosts Magic, Wilbon, Barry & Brussard all stated that they didn't like the way the Heat were playing even tho they were beating our injury riddled Knicks team. The Heat were able to take advantage of the Knicks who were having injury and chemistry problems and A coach that was struggling to find something that worked with what was left. The Heat weren't really playing that great but rather the Knicks were playing that bad. The Knicks struggled to hit shots or even run consistent offense. You can't beat the Heat with one guy.The Pacers are sharing the ball and getting major contributions from everywhere. The Pacers have size, Depth and they've dug in on D. Right now the Pacers are the better team. Wade and Lebron will have to step up several levels to make up for their weaker supporting cast. If Wade and Lebron both go off, then can beat the Pacers, but they have to do it 3 more times and i'm not sure they can. Especially since like the Knicks they have to change how they were playing all year with Bosh out.
Honestly I respect what Woodson did for the Knicks after MDA, but this exactly why I would prefer different coach for our team next season, the Indiana Pacers are moving the ball and exploiting their mismatches (size) against the Heat, they are not forcing the offense through Danny Granger arguably their best scorer the last few years. Otherwise, I don’t think they would be leading in the series.
On the other hand, the Knicks forced the offence waaaaay too much through Melo, even though he was going against MVP Lebron James, and honestly I don’t think we had the mismatch on our favor at the SF position at all. They should have shared the ball more.
And again, while I was not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, we lost four games by 18 points averages, way too poorly for whatever remaining talent the Knicks had, they should have player better. NO EXCUSES.
I agree that the Knicks forced the offense through Melo way too much, but really, what else was there?
You can't play through Chandler. Amare was down with hand. Shump's knee down. No PG who could break down defense. Baron down. Nothing else left to do.
Didn't the Knicks play the same way in game one, when we had Chandler, Amare, and Shumper for most of the game?
The botton line is tha the Knicks were losing each game by 18, Woodson should have tried something, anything, his only game plan consisted on giving the ball to Melo while and every one eslse just stad around.
In game 1 Chandler was useless, Amare was still realistically coming off of the back injury, and Shumpert went down in the 3rd quarter (after playing a total of 19 minutes).
Miami came out with a better game plan and had the wings to disrupt any type of ball handling the Knicks had.... and this certainly negated any PnR and post play that Melo had.
Teams usually make adjustments in game 2; good to great teams can make adjustments at half time of current game when fully healthy and with decent playmakers (which realistically the Knicks have none of).
I am not really disagreeing with your premise, but just asking what really could have been done?
KnicksFE wrote:martin wrote:KnicksFE wrote:nixluva wrote:During Halftime of the Knicks/Heat Series the hosts Magic, Wilbon, Barry & Brussard all stated that they didn't like the way the Heat were playing even tho they were beating our injury riddled Knicks team. The Heat were able to take advantage of the Knicks who were having injury and chemistry problems and A coach that was struggling to find something that worked with what was left. The Heat weren't really playing that great but rather the Knicks were playing that bad. The Knicks struggled to hit shots or even run consistent offense. You can't beat the Heat with one guy.The Pacers are sharing the ball and getting major contributions from everywhere. The Pacers have size, Depth and they've dug in on D. Right now the Pacers are the better team. Wade and Lebron will have to step up several levels to make up for their weaker supporting cast. If Wade and Lebron both go off, then can beat the Pacers, but they have to do it 3 more times and i'm not sure they can. Especially since like the Knicks they have to change how they were playing all year with Bosh out.
Honestly I respect what Woodson did for the Knicks after MDA, but this exactly why I would prefer different coach for our team next season, the Indiana Pacers are moving the ball and exploiting their mismatches (size) against the Heat, they are not forcing the offense through Danny Granger arguably their best scorer the last few years. Otherwise, I don’t think they would be leading in the series.
On the other hand, the Knicks forced the offence waaaaay too much through Melo, even though he was going against MVP Lebron James, and honestly I don’t think we had the mismatch on our favor at the SF position at all. They should have shared the ball more.
And again, while I was not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, we lost four games by 18 points averages, way too poorly for whatever remaining talent the Knicks had, they should have player better. NO EXCUSES.
I agree that the Knicks forced the offense through Melo way too much, but really, what else was there?
You can't play through Chandler. Amare was down with hand. Shump's knee down. No PG who could break down defense. Baron down. Nothing else left to do.
Didn't the Knicks play the same way in game one, when we had Chandler, Amare, and Shumper for most of the game?
The botton line is tha the Knicks were losing each game by 18, Woodson should have tried something, anything, his only game plan consisted on giving the ball to Melo while and every one eslse just stad around.
After the first couple of blowout, I would assume anything,from starting JR along side Novak, to playing TD more on Chalmers, again anything.
At least I would say today that Woodson tried everything posible as supose to not changing anything at all while we were getting embarrase on national TV.
KnicksFE wrote:Woodson started Smith in the second half of game 4 and 5. Douglas was so maligned after the year he had that it is hard to blame Woodson for not playing him more. Injuries forced his hand and Douglas did ok but the Knicks were just too depleted to overcome a foe like the Heat. Losing Shump hurt a lot. There aren't many guys that can contain Dwayne Wade.KnicksFE wrote:martin wrote:KnicksFE wrote:nixluva wrote:During Halftime of the Knicks/Heat Series the hosts Magic, Wilbon, Barry & Brussard all stated that they didn't like the way the Heat were playing even tho they were beating our injury riddled Knicks team. The Heat were able to take advantage of the Knicks who were having injury and chemistry problems and A coach that was struggling to find something that worked with what was left. The Heat weren't really playing that great but rather the Knicks were playing that bad. The Knicks struggled to hit shots or even run consistent offense. You can't beat the Heat with one guy.The Pacers are sharing the ball and getting major contributions from everywhere. The Pacers have size, Depth and they've dug in on D. Right now the Pacers are the better team. Wade and Lebron will have to step up several levels to make up for their weaker supporting cast. If Wade and Lebron both go off, then can beat the Pacers, but they have to do it 3 more times and i'm not sure they can. Especially since like the Knicks they have to change how they were playing all year with Bosh out.
Honestly I respect what Woodson did for the Knicks after MDA, but this exactly why I would prefer different coach for our team next season, the Indiana Pacers are moving the ball and exploiting their mismatches (size) against the Heat, they are not forcing the offense through Danny Granger arguably their best scorer the last few years. Otherwise, I don’t think they would be leading in the series.
On the other hand, the Knicks forced the offence waaaaay too much through Melo, even though he was going against MVP Lebron James, and honestly I don’t think we had the mismatch on our favor at the SF position at all. They should have shared the ball more.
And again, while I was not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, we lost four games by 18 points averages, way too poorly for whatever remaining talent the Knicks had, they should have player better. NO EXCUSES.
I agree that the Knicks forced the offense through Melo way too much, but really, what else was there?
You can't play through Chandler. Amare was down with hand. Shump's knee down. No PG who could break down defense. Baron down. Nothing else left to do.
Didn't the Knicks play the same way in game one, when we had Chandler, Amare, and Shumper for most of the game?
The botton line is tha the Knicks were losing each game by 18, Woodson should have tried something, anything, his only game plan consisted on giving the ball to Melo while and every one eslse just stad around.
After the first couple of blowout, I would assume anything,from starting JR along side Novak, to playing TD more on Chalmers, again anything.
At least I would say today that Woodson tried everything posible as supose to not changing anything at all while we were getting embarrase on national TV.
Miami only got by boston last year because rondo got injured, San an got swept last year because of injuries to ginoble and duncun..
Miami should never feel like they did anything special beating the knicks who had a depleted roster, there should have been more of concern when they couldn't put us away early in any of the games..and the fact that they had a sub par 2nd half of the season..
Your not winning and championships in this league without a impact big man and a effective pg.On defense, that where you get your steals and rebounding, on offense thats where your getting your direction and paint points...
CrushAlot wrote:KnicksFE wrote:Woodson started Smith in the second half of game 4 and 5. Douglas was so maligned after the year he had that it is hard to blame Woodson for not playing him more. Injuries forced his hand and Douglas did ok but the Knicks were just too depleted to overcome a foe like the Heat. Losing Shump hurt a lot. There aren't many guys that can contain Dwayne Wade.KnicksFE wrote:martin wrote:KnicksFE wrote:nixluva wrote:During Halftime of the Knicks/Heat Series the hosts Magic, Wilbon, Barry & Brussard all stated that they didn't like the way the Heat were playing even tho they were beating our injury riddled Knicks team. The Heat were able to take advantage of the Knicks who were having injury and chemistry problems and A coach that was struggling to find something that worked with what was left. The Heat weren't really playing that great but rather the Knicks were playing that bad. The Knicks struggled to hit shots or even run consistent offense. You can't beat the Heat with one guy.The Pacers are sharing the ball and getting major contributions from everywhere. The Pacers have size, Depth and they've dug in on D. Right now the Pacers are the better team. Wade and Lebron will have to step up several levels to make up for their weaker supporting cast. If Wade and Lebron both go off, then can beat the Pacers, but they have to do it 3 more times and i'm not sure they can. Especially since like the Knicks they have to change how they were playing all year with Bosh out.
Honestly I respect what Woodson did for the Knicks after MDA, but this exactly why I would prefer different coach for our team next season, the Indiana Pacers are moving the ball and exploiting their mismatches (size) against the Heat, they are not forcing the offense through Danny Granger arguably their best scorer the last few years. Otherwise, I don’t think they would be leading in the series.
On the other hand, the Knicks forced the offence waaaaay too much through Melo, even though he was going against MVP Lebron James, and honestly I don’t think we had the mismatch on our favor at the SF position at all. They should have shared the ball more.
And again, while I was not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, we lost four games by 18 points averages, way too poorly for whatever remaining talent the Knicks had, they should have player better. NO EXCUSES.
I agree that the Knicks forced the offense through Melo way too much, but really, what else was there?
You can't play through Chandler. Amare was down with hand. Shump's knee down. No PG who could break down defense. Baron down. Nothing else left to do.
Didn't the Knicks play the same way in game one, when we had Chandler, Amare, and Shumper for most of the game?
The botton line is tha the Knicks were losing each game by 18, Woodson should have tried something, anything, his only game plan consisted on giving the ball to Melo while and every one eslse just stad around.
After the first couple of blowout, I would assume anything,from starting JR along side Novak, to playing TD more on Chalmers, again anything.
At least I would say today that Woodson tried everything posible as supose to not changing anything at all while we were getting embarrase on national TV.
I wasn't asking for the outcome to be any different even if we were fully healthy, I just never understood why we were getting blown out in every lost, when we still had TC (DPOY)and Melo on this team. I was expecting a better efford.