Knicks · The "I won't support Dolan" Club (page 2)

Nalod wrote:I never have nor ever will buy a jersey.

Idol worship. Ok for kids to age 12 but adults wearing another mans jersey?

Especially silly looking for 60 year old men, huh Nalod?

Doesn't the NBA have a "robust" profit sharing program?

Anytime you watch the NBA, or participate in anything NBA related your supporting Dolan.

sound like some of you cats are going back to "rabbit ears".

OasisBU wrote:If you watch the games then Dolan collects advertising revenue - are you boycotting that as well?

Again, he doesn't collect enough from that to support starphucking. If the one and only purchase every Knick fan made that supports Dolan is buying NBA League Pass - and that's all I do - there's no way owning the Knicks would still be profitable or worthwhile to him.

Swishfm3 wrote:

Nalod wrote:I never have nor ever will buy a jersey.

Idol worship. Ok for kids to age 12 but adults wearing another mans jersey?

Especially silly looking for 60 year old men, huh Nalod?

51.

And yeah.

But I wasn't always 51. Thought it was stupid at 30 too.

I get it when kids do it. Its cute for them to root for their heroes.

Nalod wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Nalod wrote:I never have nor ever will buy a jersey.

Idol worship. Ok for kids to age 12 but adults wearing another mans jersey?

Especially silly looking for 60 year old men, huh Nalod?

51.

And yeah.

But I wasn't always 51. Thought it was stupid at 30 too.

I get it when kids do it. Its cute for them to root for their heroes.

I had a friend who was 40 in Alabama. For every Lakers game he had to go to his room, change, and put one of the player's jerseys on.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Nalod wrote:I never have nor ever will buy a jersey.

Idol worship. Ok for kids to age 12 but adults wearing another mans jersey?

Especially silly looking for 60 year old men, huh Nalod?

51.

And yeah.

But I wasn't always 51. Thought it was stupid at 30 too.

I get it when kids do it. Its cute for them to root for their heroes.

I had a friend who was 40 in Alabama. For every Lakers game he had to go to his room, change, and put one of the player's jerseys on.

Word, Nalod. Only player's jersey number T-shirt I own is Mr. Met's "00", 'cause he ain't going anywhere.

Even if you listen to the game on the radio, you are supporting Dolan, I guess. Even though it was all Cars for Kidz, Tourist Board of Taiwan and medical/hospital ads — but guess I'm younger than their target demographic.

loweyecue wrote:Passing on Phil to hire Woody was the last straw. I am considering not following the NBA anymore till Dolann dies.
I will stick around to see what happens with Lin/Shumpert but I predict Lin will be marginalized and I will be happy to leave this forum as well as the NBA.

are you not aware that Phil has gone on record saying he would not have accepted the job if it had been offered. Therefore that last straw should remain in play :)

Uptown wrote:Been a Knick fan since I was little going back to Bernard King, Ray Williams, Rory Sparrow, Ken 'the Animal' Bannister, etc. The team was far removed from contending for a championship then, as they are nearly 40 years later. As a 7-8 year old, I had no idea who the owner was and didn't care. How do you ask a die-hard fan to all of a sudden stop supporting its favorite team? The Knicks are a part of my life and have been for a very long time. Detaching myself from them is nearly impossible....

Exactly and, for what reasoning? Most of the moves that have been made, posters were happy with. Now, all of a sudden, because Phil says so, the roster sucks. I live my Knicks and will continue to watch them, to rock my jerseys and go to the games when I can.

I don't remember anyone here really being unhappy with the Melo move. No one at all complained about the Amare trade. There was some concern about his knees but by mid-season everyone was on his dik so to speak.

I don't go in for revisionist history or guys killing Dolan for moves that they were originally happy about.

I'm phucked then. I have Lin, Anthony, and Shumpert Adidas Knick T shirts with their names and numbers on the back. Does that mean I'm feeding into the Dolan machine, Adidas/NBA machine, or both?

DurzoBlint wrote:

Uptown wrote:Been a Knick fan since I was little going back to Bernard King, Ray Williams, Rory Sparrow, Ken 'the Animal' Bannister, etc. The team was far removed from contending for a championship then, as they are nearly 40 years later. As a 7-8 year old, I had no idea who the owner was and didn't care. How do you ask a die-hard fan to all of a sudden stop supporting its favorite team? The Knicks are a part of my life and have been for a very long time. Detaching myself from them is nearly impossible....

Exactly and, for what reasoning? Most of the moves that have been made, posters were happy with. Now, all of a sudden, because Phil says so, the roster sucks. I live my Knicks and will continue to watch them, to rock my jerseys and go to the games when I can.

I don't remember anyone here really being unhappy with the Melo move. No one at all complained about the Amare trade. There was some concern about his knees but by mid-season everyone was on his dik so to speak.

I don't go in for revisionist history or guys killing Dolan for moves that they were originally happy about.

Dolan capitalizes on how easy it is to get Knick fans excited about starphucking. To anyone knowledgeable about basketball sabermetrics and to many other knowledgeable fans, his mistakes have been obvious (and discussed here) as he was making them.

ChuckBuck wrote:I'm phucked then. I have Lin, Anthony, and Shumpert Adidas Knick T shirts with their names and numbers on the back. Does that mean I'm feeding into the Dolan machine, Adidas/NBA machine, or both?

Both. It's never too late to change!

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I'm phucked then. I have Lin, Anthony, and Shumpert Adidas Knick T shirts with their names and numbers on the back. Does that mean I'm feeding into the Dolan machine, Adidas/NBA machine, or both?

Both. It's never too late to change!

Shiet, they're like $25 a piece! Oh well, deep down I'll still be cursing Dolan!

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I'm phucked then. I have Lin, Anthony, and Shumpert Adidas Knick T shirts with their names and numbers on the back. Does that mean I'm feeding into the Dolan machine, Adidas/NBA machine, or both?

Both. It's never too late to change!

Shiet, they're like $25 a piece! Oh well, deep down I'll still be cursing Dolan!

Ok so this thread here got me thinking. First of all, those jerseys are only 25$ each? Maybe I should consider buying me a used Jersey. From a fellow knick fan who is also boycotting so that the money doesn't go to Dolan.

Second, thing I was thinking is this: Who is more supportive of their team , a fan that buys merchandise when his team is owned by someone who prevents the team from being run correctly, directly indirectly and every other possible way(except being willing to spend $) or a fan that supports his team by watching just as many games as the first guy, but does not spend a penny on things that put $ in owners pocket ?

If it is the only thing that can remove Dolan, its worth it. Trying to "rabbit ear" games through the internet was a major pain in the a$$ tho, mine kept lagging, skipping plays, crappy resolution, and those ads are a pain.

ramtour420 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I'm phucked then. I have Lin, Anthony, and Shumpert Adidas Knick T shirts with their names and numbers on the back. Does that mean I'm feeding into the Dolan machine, Adidas/NBA machine, or both?

Both. It's never too late to change!

Shiet, they're like $25 a piece! Oh well, deep down I'll still be cursing Dolan!

Ok so this thread here got me thinking. First of all, those jerseys are only 25$ each? Maybe I should consider buying me a used Jersey. From a fellow knick fan who is also boycotting so that the money doesn't go to Dolan.

Second, thing I was thinking is this: Who is more supportive of their team , a fan that buys merchandise when his team is owned by someone who prevents the team from being run correctly, directly indirectly and every other possible way(except being willing to spend $) or a fan that supports his team by watching just as many games as the first guy, but does not spend a penny on things that put $ in owners pocket ?

If it is the only thing that can remove Dolan, its worth it. Trying to "rabbit ear" games through the internet was a major pain in the a$$ tho, mine kept lagging, skipping plays, crappy resolution, and those ads are a pain.

I'm sure the guy who buys jerseys is also watching the games. As far as I know, watching the games is just a one-time purchase (when you get NBA League Pass) and a small percentage goes to each owner. It's not like each Knicks game you watch leads to more money for Dolan. Perhaps if you're contacted by Neilson and tell them you were watching the game, it would impact the ratings and Dolan would get a little more money. But you likely never will be contacted by them and don't have to tell them what you watched anyway.

ChuckBuck wrote:I'm phucked then. I have Lin, Anthony, and Shumpert Adidas Knick T shirts with their names and numbers on the back. Does that mean I'm feeding into the Dolan machine, Adidas/NBA machine, or both?

Your supporting terrorism also!!!

Bonn1997 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I'm phucked then. I have Lin, Anthony, and Shumpert Adidas Knick T shirts with their names and numbers on the back. Does that mean I'm feeding into the Dolan machine, Adidas/NBA machine, or both?

Both. It's never too late to change!

Shiet, they're like $25 a piece! Oh well, deep down I'll still be cursing Dolan!

Ok so this thread here got me thinking. First of all, those jerseys are only 25$ each? Maybe I should consider buying me a used Jersey. From a fellow knick fan who is also boycotting so that the money doesn't go to Dolan.

Second, thing I was thinking is this: Who is more supportive of their team , a fan that buys merchandise when his team is owned by someone who prevents the team from being run correctly, directly indirectly and every other possible way(except being willing to spend $) or a fan that supports his team by watching just as many games as the first guy, but does not spend a penny on things that put $ in owners pocket ?

If it is the only thing that can remove Dolan, its worth it. Trying to "rabbit ear" games through the internet was a major pain in the a$$ tho, mine kept lagging, skipping plays, crappy resolution, and those ads are a pain.

I'm sure the guy who buys jerseys is also watching the games. As far as I know, watching the games is just a one-time purchase (when you get NBA League Pass) and a small percentage goes to each owner. It's not like each Knicks game you watch leads to more money for Dolan. Perhaps if you're contacted by Neilson and tell them you were watching the game, it would impact the ratings and Dolan would get a little more money. But you likely never will be contacted by them and don't have to tell them what you watched anyway.

You may claim to know BBall Sabermetrics. But based on this reply, you don't seem to understand cable subscription fees and TV advertising revenue streams. Digital Cable companies keep their own metrics on viewers, and unlike Neilsen, they have the actual numbers. The Knicks are owned by MSG Corporation. MSG derives revenue directly from Cable Carriage fees to carry their multiple channel package. If the Knicks are good enough to make the playoffs (which they are with Melo/Stat/Chandler/Lin).....they will continue to have a fairly high viewership percentage irregardless of if they are a championship team or not. They will continue to be on a basic cable package and generate a fairly good revenue stream from their carriage fees. MSG uses ratings information (both Neilsen and unpublished Digital Cable viewership information) to generate direct advertising revenue from their Network channels. The more people who watch, the higher the ratings, the higher the advertising fees. If they are a playoff team...this increases further.

Further, with the Arena renovations....MSG is derriving an increased revenue from their Luxury Suites. These revenues are generally not effected by on the court performance. Suites go to Corporations who use them to wine/dine potential customers, or for employee perks.

Fan protests against teams do not work. This is especially true for playoff caliber teams. As rational as you may be as a fan.....there are probably 10 irrational fans or more who root on pure emotion. After not making the playoffs for the last 6 straight years prior, after living through the Isiah turmoil....a large percentage of Knick fans view making the playoffs the past two years as an accomplishment. If the trend continues, and the Knicks are a one and done playoff team for the next two years....than many more fans will become impatient. However, after 3 years....the big three contracts expire and the roster will turn over and most fans will have renewed hope.

The more rational hope is that Dolan will look to the Rangers as inspiration on how to run the Knicks. A young team with enough talent to finish at the top....and just needing finishing touches to win a Cup. It took a while for Sather to finally get it right, but he avoided Starphuking trades (as you call it) this year and went deeper into the playoffs. The other hope is that Dolan as Chairman and probably significant Stockholder in MSG will make such a boatload of money....that he will become so rich and bored with his toys (Knicks/Rangers)....and retire from his Chair.

You are rooting for the opposite to happen. That fans revolt, don't watch, don't go to games, don't buy merchandise....in such numbers that is monetarily hurts the Knicks/Dolan. If this unlikely event does happen.....it is unlikely MSG will sell the Knicks as a first action. They have the Rangers and other properties to fall back on in terms of revenue. Rather, they will cost cut, fire team and other workers, cut back on player, coach and administrative salaries. The team will suffer and stink from it. The example you have for this is the Mets who in a big market are suffering from revenue deprivation....and therefore forced to behave like a small market team.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I'm phucked then. I have Lin, Anthony, and Shumpert Adidas Knick T shirts with their names and numbers on the back. Does that mean I'm feeding into the Dolan machine, Adidas/NBA machine, or both?

Your supporting terrorism also!!!

LOL I maybe even consider purchasing Jimmy D's record!

You may claim to know BBall Sabermetrics. But based on this reply, you don't seem to understand cable subscription fees and TV advertising revenue streams.

Agreed; that's why I clearly indicated my uncertainty.

Fan protests against teams do not work.

I generally agree and think it's a hopeless situation. This is the only path I see with higher than a zero percent chance of working.

If this unlikely event does happen.....it is unlikely MSG will sell the Knicks as a first action. They have the Rangers and other properties to fall back on in terms of revenue. Rather, they will cost cut, fire team and other workers, cut back on player, coach and administrative salaries. The team will suffer and stink from it.

I never said selling the team would be the first action. Eventually, people don't hang on to costly business adventures though. I'm skeptical of it working if Dolan simply retires and is replaced by some other corporate executive. Are there any gigantic corporations running excellent NBA franchises? I don't follow hockey closely. Can you be more specific on what it is that he did with the Rangers that you see working with the Knicks?

Not sure what he specifically has his hands in with the Rangers (maybe pushing for Richards and pursuing Nash?), but I've always been surprised that Torts still has a home at MSG. Great coach but pretty far from the tight-lipped skippers Dolan typically embraces.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I'm phucked then. I have Lin, Anthony, and Shumpert Adidas Knick T shirts with their names and numbers on the back. Does that mean I'm feeding into the Dolan machine, Adidas/NBA machine, or both?

Your supporting terrorism also!!!

Dam I'm in a lose lose situation!

So now I'm confused... Is this the lovers or hatters club?