Knicks · Im starting to beleive trading for Melo was a mistake?just don't know. Here's why. what do you think?Hope we did the right thing (page 1)

Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

Melo isn't the problem.

Melo is the only 2 way player we have.

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

You are makin a lot of sense

There is no doubt that melo and amare have A LOT to prove next year. I mean there is no more excuses they have a full year to get this thing done and prove that they are legit. As a Knicks fan im pulling for them because I want a championship. Amare needs to come in much better shape,devote himself to tougher defense, and work on hus jumper which was lethal in 2010-11 but last year was gone. melo has to also come in in much betetr shape, continue improving his defense which i admit was much better last year, and most importantly he has to make his teammates more involved like lebron does

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

Thank you.

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

MSG3 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

The Cavs game ended our playoffs early to be honest. Im sorry but i still dotn get why our guys didnt play hard that game. If we won that game we would have played the pacers and despite injuries i bet we would have beaten them and at least gotten to the secodn round

I think the Knicks gave up way too much for Melo. However, trades for superstars usually work out for the team that gets the superstar. I struggle with a lot of the posts here that are anti-Melo because I am not a huge fan of Melo but he is the best player on the team and I think there is too much blame placed on him. I think if a franchise trades for a star they embrace him and play to his strengths. I think next year might be the year to judge the trade. Also, Tyson came to NY because of Melo and Amare. Stars do bring stars so I don't think that aspect of the trade and having Melo should be underrated. Melo might be the Clyde to Michael however, which puts the Knicks in a bad position with LBJ in the East.

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

The Cavs game ended our playoffs early to be honest. Im sorry but i still dotn get why our guys didnt play hard that game. If we won that game we would have played the pacers and despite injuries i bet we would have beaten them and at least gotten to the secodn round

Yea those losses against Ind and Cleveland killed us. Something to be learned from losses like that. They had been playing great and probably got cocky and comfortable. Didn't care who they played in the first round. Have to stay humble and play hard.

Look at Miami tonight. Didn't give OKC a chance. That shows maturity.

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

The Cavs game ended our playoffs early to be honest. Im sorry but i still dotn get why our guys didnt play hard that game. If we won that game we would have played the pacers and despite injuries i bet we would have beaten them and at least gotten to the secodn round

Yea those losses against Ind and Cleveland killed us. Something to be learned from losses like that. They had been playing great and probably got cocky and comfortable. Didn't care who they played in the first round. Have to stay humble and play hard.

Look at Miami tonight. Didn't give OKC a chance. That shows maturity.

Ya its funny because i've brought those losses up and some people on here say they dont matter but they do matter. I mean like i was saying i know we were banged up but who knows if weon won the cavs and pacer games that we should have won then it would have changed everything. Obviously we woould have faced and beat the pacers,shump might have never hurt himself,and we would have gotten lin back for the second round. The Knicks have a habit of not showing up for easy games. Hopefully next year that ends. In regards to Melo whether its fair or not fair he needs to put this team on his back like lebron did and say" We are going to dominate"

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

The Cavs game ended our playoffs early to be honest. Im sorry but i still dotn get why our guys didnt play hard that game. If we won that game we would have played the pacers and despite injuries i bet we would have beaten them and at least gotten to the secodn round

Yea those losses against Ind and Cleveland killed us. Something to be learned from losses like that. They had been playing great and probably got cocky and comfortable. Didn't care who they played in the first round. Have to stay humble and play hard.

Look at Miami tonight. Didn't give OKC a chance. That shows maturity.

Ya its funny because i've brought those losses up and some people on here say they dont matter but they do matter. I mean like i was saying i know we were banged up but who knows if weon won the cavs and pacer games that we should have won then it would have changed everything. Obviously we woould have faced and beat the pacers,shump might have never hurt himself,and we would have gotten lin back for the second round. The Knicks have a habit of not showing up for easy games. Hopefully next year that ends. In regards to Melo whether its fair or not fair he needs to put this team on his back like lebron did and say" We are going to dominate"

I think the reason there is less of an uproar about one game, the cavs, is because the Knicks were 6 games under .500 before they started their 18-6 run to make the playoffs and avoid the lottery. If you look at that stretch with perspective, the KNicks avoided giving a lottery pick to the Rockets, made the playoffs for the second straight year,had the second best record during that time other than the Spurs, and Melo got player of the month, to focus on one loss when there were so many earlier in the season seems ridiculous. I believe the Knicks had clinched a playoff berth the game before the Cavs game and may have had a let down. I know Melo played badly against the Cavs,he always does but he had 39 the next night and the Knicks had a lot of injuries. The Knicks had a lot to overcome after starting the season 18-24, one loss during an 18-6 run is not why they didn't advance in the playoffs. There were a lot of bad losses to bad teams prior to 18-6. Bobcats?

MSG3 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

Amen!

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

The Cavs game ended our playoffs early to be honest. Im sorry but i still dotn get why our guys didnt play hard that game. If we won that game we would have played the pacers and despite injuries i bet we would have beaten them and at least gotten to the secodn round

Yea those losses against Ind and Cleveland killed us. Something to be learned from losses like that. They had been playing great and probably got cocky and comfortable. Didn't care who they played in the first round. Have to stay humble and play hard.

Look at Miami tonight. Didn't give OKC a chance. That shows maturity.

Ya its funny because i've brought those losses up and some people on here say they dont matter but they do matter. I mean like i was saying i know we were banged up but who knows if weon won the cavs and pacer games that we should have won then it would have changed everything. Obviously we woould have faced and beat the pacers,shump might have never hurt himself,and we would have gotten lin back for the second round. The Knicks have a habit of not showing up for easy games. Hopefully next year that ends. In regards to Melo whether its fair or not fair he needs to put this team on his back like lebron did and say" We are going to dominate"

I never said it didnt matter. My biggest concern was the 18-25 record that buried us under Dantoni

CrushAlot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

The Cavs game ended our playoffs early to be honest. Im sorry but i still dotn get why our guys didnt play hard that game. If we won that game we would have played the pacers and despite injuries i bet we would have beaten them and at least gotten to the secodn round

Yea those losses against Ind and Cleveland killed us. Something to be learned from losses like that. They had been playing great and probably got cocky and comfortable. Didn't care who they played in the first round. Have to stay humble and play hard.

Look at Miami tonight. Didn't give OKC a chance. That shows maturity.

Ya its funny because i've brought those losses up and some people on here say they dont matter but they do matter. I mean like i was saying i know we were banged up but who knows if weon won the cavs and pacer games that we should have won then it would have changed everything. Obviously we woould have faced and beat the pacers,shump might have never hurt himself,and we would have gotten lin back for the second round. The Knicks have a habit of not showing up for easy games. Hopefully next year that ends. In regards to Melo whether its fair or not fair he needs to put this team on his back like lebron did and say" We are going to dominate"

I think the reason there is less of an uproar about one game, the cavs, is because the Knicks were 6 games under .500 before they started their 18-6 run to make the playoffs and avoid the lottery. If you look at that stretch with perspective, the KNicks avoided giving a lottery pick to the Rockets, made the playoffs for the second straight year,had the second best record during that time other than the Spurs, and Melo got player of the month, to focus on one loss when there were so many earlier in the season seems ridiculous. I believe the Knicks had clinched a playoff berth the game before the Cavs game and may have had a let down. I know Melo played badly against the Cavs,he always does but he had 39 the next night and the Knicks had a lot of injuries. The Knicks had a lot to overcome after starting the season 18-24, one loss during an 18-6 run is not why they didn't advance in the playoffs. There were a lot of bad losses to bad teams prior to 18-6. Bobcats?

i meant the whole year was full of missed oppurtunties. I i dont think d'antoni was why we lost im sorry i dont belive that. Like I said before Melo has to be fully motivated if we are gonna have a chnace. I mean yes lebron is a much much better player than melo but he was motivated from teh first game while melo even admitted he wasnt. Unfortunetly i dont see us getting past the heat for the next few years which is pretty much this teams shelf life. And even if we don we have to face OKC who will be back

IrishKnickFan wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

The Cavs game ended our playoffs early to be honest. Im sorry but i still dotn get why our guys didnt play hard that game. If we won that game we would have played the pacers and despite injuries i bet we would have beaten them and at least gotten to the secodn round

Yea those losses against Ind and Cleveland killed us. Something to be learned from losses like that. They had been playing great and probably got cocky and comfortable. Didn't care who they played in the first round. Have to stay humble and play hard.

Look at Miami tonight. Didn't give OKC a chance. That shows maturity.

Ya its funny because i've brought those losses up and some people on here say they dont matter but they do matter. I mean like i was saying i know we were banged up but who knows if weon won the cavs and pacer games that we should have won then it would have changed everything. Obviously we woould have faced and beat the pacers,shump might have never hurt himself,and we would have gotten lin back for the second round. The Knicks have a habit of not showing up for easy games. Hopefully next year that ends. In regards to Melo whether its fair or not fair he needs to put this team on his back like lebron did and say" We are going to dominate"

I think the reason there is less of an uproar about one game, the cavs, is because the Knicks were 6 games under .500 before they started their 18-6 run to make the playoffs and avoid the lottery. If you look at that stretch with perspective, the KNicks avoided giving a lottery pick to the Rockets, made the playoffs for the second straight year,had the second best record during that time other than the Spurs, and Melo got player of the month, to focus on one loss when there were so many earlier in the season seems ridiculous. I believe the Knicks had clinched a playoff berth the game before the Cavs game and may have had a let down. I know Melo played badly against the Cavs,he always does but he had 39 the next night and the Knicks had a lot of injuries. The Knicks had a lot to overcome after starting the season 18-24, one loss during an 18-6 run is not why they didn't advance in the playoffs. There were a lot of bad losses to bad teams prior to 18-6. Bobcats?

i meant the whole year was full of missed oppurtunties. I i dont think d'antoni was why we lost im sorry i dont belive that. Like I said before Melo has to be fully motivated if we are gonna have a chnace. I mean yes lebron is a much much better player than melo but he was motivated from teh first game while melo even admitted he wasnt. Unfortunetly i dont see us getting past the heat for the next few years which is pretty much this teams shelf life. And even if we don we have to face OKC who will be back

I'm so sick of hearing Danotni wasn't the reason for losing. He was a HUGE REASON we were 18-24. Enough already. 18-24 vs 18-6.

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

The Cavs game ended our playoffs early to be honest. Im sorry but i still dotn get why our guys didnt play hard that game. If we won that game we would have played the pacers and despite injuries i bet we would have beaten them and at least gotten to the secodn round

Yea those losses against Ind and Cleveland killed us. Something to be learned from losses like that. They had been playing great and probably got cocky and comfortable. Didn't care who they played in the first round. Have to stay humble and play hard.

Look at Miami tonight. Didn't give OKC a chance. That shows maturity.

Ya its funny because i've brought those losses up and some people on here say they dont matter but they do matter. I mean like i was saying i know we were banged up but who knows if weon won the cavs and pacer games that we should have won then it would have changed everything. Obviously we woould have faced and beat the pacers,shump might have never hurt himself,and we would have gotten lin back for the second round. The Knicks have a habit of not showing up for easy games. Hopefully next year that ends. In regards to Melo whether its fair or not fair he needs to put this team on his back like lebron did and say" We are going to dominate"

I think the reason there is less of an uproar about one game, the cavs, is because the Knicks were 6 games under .500 before they started their 18-6 run to make the playoffs and avoid the lottery. If you look at that stretch with perspective, the KNicks avoided giving a lottery pick to the Rockets, made the playoffs for the second straight year,had the second best record during that time other than the Spurs, and Melo got player of the month, to focus on one loss when there were so many earlier in the season seems ridiculous. I believe the Knicks had clinched a playoff berth the game before the Cavs game and may have had a let down. I know Melo played badly against the Cavs,he always does but he had 39 the next night and the Knicks had a lot of injuries. The Knicks had a lot to overcome after starting the season 18-24, one loss during an 18-6 run is not why they didn't advance in the playoffs. There were a lot of bad losses to bad teams prior to 18-6. Bobcats?

i meant the whole year was full of missed oppurtunties. I i dont think d'antoni was why we lost im sorry i dont belive that. Like I said before Melo has to be fully motivated if we are gonna have a chnace. I mean yes lebron is a much much better player than melo but he was motivated from teh first game while melo even admitted he wasnt. Unfortunetly i dont see us getting past the heat for the next few years which is pretty much this teams shelf life. And even if we don we have to face OKC who will be back

I'm so sick of hearing Danotni wasn't the reason for losing. He was a HUGE REASON we were 18-24. Enough already. 18-24 vs 18-6.

MSG calm yoursely down lol. First of all im not a d'antoni fan i like woodson but its a little aunfair just to blame him when some players even admit to nit playing hard. See i dont hate melo and feel he gets too much hate but he did make some mistake earlier in the year

IrishKnickFan wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

The Cavs game ended our playoffs early to be honest. Im sorry but i still dotn get why our guys didnt play hard that game. If we won that game we would have played the pacers and despite injuries i bet we would have beaten them and at least gotten to the secodn round

Yea those losses against Ind and Cleveland killed us. Something to be learned from losses like that. They had been playing great and probably got cocky and comfortable. Didn't care who they played in the first round. Have to stay humble and play hard.

Look at Miami tonight. Didn't give OKC a chance. That shows maturity.

Ya its funny because i've brought those losses up and some people on here say they dont matter but they do matter. I mean like i was saying i know we were banged up but who knows if weon won the cavs and pacer games that we should have won then it would have changed everything. Obviously we woould have faced and beat the pacers,shump might have never hurt himself,and we would have gotten lin back for the second round. The Knicks have a habit of not showing up for easy games. Hopefully next year that ends. In regards to Melo whether its fair or not fair he needs to put this team on his back like lebron did and say" We are going to dominate"

I think the reason there is less of an uproar about one game, the cavs, is because the Knicks were 6 games under .500 before they started their 18-6 run to make the playoffs and avoid the lottery. If you look at that stretch with perspective, the KNicks avoided giving a lottery pick to the Rockets, made the playoffs for the second straight year,had the second best record during that time other than the Spurs, and Melo got player of the month, to focus on one loss when there were so many earlier in the season seems ridiculous. I believe the Knicks had clinched a playoff berth the game before the Cavs game and may have had a let down. I know Melo played badly against the Cavs,he always does but he had 39 the next night and the Knicks had a lot of injuries. The Knicks had a lot to overcome after starting the season 18-24, one loss during an 18-6 run is not why they didn't advance in the playoffs. There were a lot of bad losses to bad teams prior to 18-6. Bobcats?

i meant the whole year was full of missed oppurtunties. I i dont think d'antoni was why we lost im sorry i dont belive that. Like I said before Melo has to be fully motivated if we are gonna have a chnace. I mean yes lebron is a much much better player than melo but he was motivated from teh first game while melo even admitted he wasnt. Unfortunetly i dont see us getting past the heat for the next few years which is pretty much this teams shelf life. And even if we don we have to face OKC who will be back

D'Antonni is 10-23 without Linsanity. That is with an Amare, Tyson, Melo front court. Hard to not find some fault with that when his replacement goes 18-6 and only has Lin for 6 games.

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

The Cavs game ended our playoffs early to be honest. Im sorry but i still dotn get why our guys didnt play hard that game. If we won that game we would have played the pacers and despite injuries i bet we would have beaten them and at least gotten to the secodn round

Yea those losses against Ind and Cleveland killed us. Something to be learned from losses like that. They had been playing great and probably got cocky and comfortable. Didn't care who they played in the first round. Have to stay humble and play hard.

Look at Miami tonight. Didn't give OKC a chance. That shows maturity.

Ya its funny because i've brought those losses up and some people on here say they dont matter but they do matter. I mean like i was saying i know we were banged up but who knows if weon won the cavs and pacer games that we should have won then it would have changed everything. Obviously we woould have faced and beat the pacers,shump might have never hurt himself,and we would have gotten lin back for the second round. The Knicks have a habit of not showing up for easy games. Hopefully next year that ends. In regards to Melo whether its fair or not fair he needs to put this team on his back like lebron did and say" We are going to dominate"

I think the reason there is less of an uproar about one game, the cavs, is because the Knicks were 6 games under .500 before they started their 18-6 run to make the playoffs and avoid the lottery. If you look at that stretch with perspective, the KNicks avoided giving a lottery pick to the Rockets, made the playoffs for the second straight year,had the second best record during that time other than the Spurs, and Melo got player of the month, to focus on one loss when there were so many earlier in the season seems ridiculous. I believe the Knicks had clinched a playoff berth the game before the Cavs game and may have had a let down. I know Melo played badly against the Cavs,he always does but he had 39 the next night and the Knicks had a lot of injuries. The Knicks had a lot to overcome after starting the season 18-24, one loss during an 18-6 run is not why they didn't advance in the playoffs. There were a lot of bad losses to bad teams prior to 18-6. Bobcats?

i meant the whole year was full of missed oppurtunties. I i dont think d'antoni was why we lost im sorry i dont belive that. Like I said before Melo has to be fully motivated if we are gonna have a chnace. I mean yes lebron is a much much better player than melo but he was motivated from teh first game while melo even admitted he wasnt. Unfortunetly i dont see us getting past the heat for the next few years which is pretty much this teams shelf life. And even if we don we have to face OKC who will be back

I'm so sick of hearing Danotni wasn't the reason for losing. He was a HUGE REASON we were 18-24. Enough already. 18-24 vs 18-6.

MSG calm yoursely down lol. First of all im not a d'antoni fan i like woodson but its a little aunfair just to blame him when some players even admit to nit playing hard. See i dont hate melo and feel he gets too much hate but he did make some mistake earlier in the year

I'm a fair person and I call players on my team out when they aren't pulling for the whole team. And I know it's not always the coach. But I really believe in my heart D'Antoni was the biggest problem. Melo was playing hurt for months. He didn't know what to do on the court. MDA wasn't making it work. Of course I could be wrong but I saw that Dantoni wasn't a good coach well before Melo was a Knick. I think Melo has the ability and the selflessness to lead. I just don't know if he has the passion that LeBron, Durant, etc have.

This will be my final MDA post. Dead Horse has been beaten sufficiently.

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

The Cavs game ended our playoffs early to be honest. Im sorry but i still dotn get why our guys didnt play hard that game. If we won that game we would have played the pacers and despite injuries i bet we would have beaten them and at least gotten to the secodn round

Yea those losses against Ind and Cleveland killed us. Something to be learned from losses like that. They had been playing great and probably got cocky and comfortable. Didn't care who they played in the first round. Have to stay humble and play hard.

Look at Miami tonight. Didn't give OKC a chance. That shows maturity.

Ya its funny because i've brought those losses up and some people on here say they dont matter but they do matter. I mean like i was saying i know we were banged up but who knows if weon won the cavs and pacer games that we should have won then it would have changed everything. Obviously we woould have faced and beat the pacers,shump might have never hurt himself,and we would have gotten lin back for the second round. The Knicks have a habit of not showing up for easy games. Hopefully next year that ends. In regards to Melo whether its fair or not fair he needs to put this team on his back like lebron did and say" We are going to dominate"

I think the reason there is less of an uproar about one game, the cavs, is because the Knicks were 6 games under .500 before they started their 18-6 run to make the playoffs and avoid the lottery. If you look at that stretch with perspective, the KNicks avoided giving a lottery pick to the Rockets, made the playoffs for the second straight year,had the second best record during that time other than the Spurs, and Melo got player of the month, to focus on one loss when there were so many earlier in the season seems ridiculous. I believe the Knicks had clinched a playoff berth the game before the Cavs game and may have had a let down. I know Melo played badly against the Cavs,he always does but he had 39 the next night and the Knicks had a lot of injuries. The Knicks had a lot to overcome after starting the season 18-24, one loss during an 18-6 run is not why they didn't advance in the playoffs. There were a lot of bad losses to bad teams prior to 18-6. Bobcats?

i meant the whole year was full of missed oppurtunties. I i dont think d'antoni was why we lost im sorry i dont belive that. Like I said before Melo has to be fully motivated if we are gonna have a chnace. I mean yes lebron is a much much better player than melo but he was motivated from teh first game while melo even admitted he wasnt. Unfortunetly i dont see us getting past the heat for the next few years which is pretty much this teams shelf life. And even if we don we have to face OKC who will be back

I'm so sick of hearing Danotni wasn't the reason for losing. He was a HUGE REASON we were 18-24. Enough already. 18-24 vs 18-6.

MSG calm yoursely down lol. First of all im not a d'antoni fan i like woodson but its a little aunfair just to blame him when some players even admit to nit playing hard. See i dont hate melo and feel he gets too much hate but he did make some mistake earlier in the year

I'm a fair person and I call players on my team out when they aren't pulling for the whole team. And I know it's not always the coach. But I really believe in my heart D'Antoni was the biggest problem. Melo was playing hurt for months. He didn't know what to do on the court. MDA wasn't making it work. Of course I could be wrong but I saw that Dantoni wasn't a good coach well before Melo was a Knick. I think Melo has the ability and the selflessness to lead. I just don't know if he has the passion that LeBron, Durant, etc have.

This will be my final MDA post. Dead Horse has been beaten sufficiently.

Well i never said MDA was a greart coach or the right coach for this but they are professional athletes not little kids. I mean Eric Spolestra is not a good coach really but his team wins