Knicks · NO more excuses (page 1)

Next Year will be the year that we will see if we have a real good team. I mean the last two years many have said things like injuries,no depth,MDA, no time to get chemistry as reason why we were so dreadful in the playoofs. Now next year with a full training camp if this team doesnt get to at least the ECF finals then it will be a major failure. Do people agree?

Q: How do you know it's the off-season?
A: Knicks fans give excuses and say next year is the year we will find out if it's going to work.

Bonn1997 wrote:Q: How do you know it's the off-season?
A: Knicks fans give excuses and say next year is the year we will find out if it's going to work.

Im not giving excuses Im saying most people do. I actually hold the team accountable the past two years

Make the second round. It's an embarrassment to behind in the standings to teams like the Indiana Pacers and Atlanta Hawks. I'm not sure the Indiana Pacers make the playoffs this past season, had they been in the west. Time to step up.

Solace wrote:Make the second round. It's an embarrassment to behind in the standings to teams like the Indiana Pacers and Atlanta Hawks. I'm not sure the Indiana Pacers make the playoffs this past season, had they been in the west. Time to step up.

I doubt any of the 5-8 east teams would make the playoffs in the west.

Im not giving excuses Im saying most people do. I actually hold the team accountable the past two years

+1

Everything is going to depend on

1. The Arbitration Ruling
2. The players Grunwald is able to bring in this summer including the draft and FA's
3. The dedication to their profession that all of our players have and how they prepare for next season
4. Will Woody and his staff have the answers this team needs when we get to the playoffs.

This team has a chance to actually be the 2nd best team in the East next year with the right combination of factors I mention above. The one thing going in this team's favor is that they found a defensive identity. So long as they have that same identity there is no reason this team can't win the Atlantic and make it to the 2nd rd. From there it's all on the above factors.

We complain often and the playoffs left a bad taste, but if you're really honest and thoughtful, this team finally has something going for it that gives them a chance to win every night. We have a top defense and that can't be underestimated. There are only a few teams in the league that can defend on the level this team did last year. I'd like to see Grunwald double down on that aspect by finding a couple more players that can defend.

nixluva wrote:Everything is going to depend on

1. The Arbitration Ruling
2. The players Grunwald is able to bring in this summer including the draft and FA's
3. The dedication to their profession that all of our players have and how they prepare for next season
4. Will Woody and his staff have the answers this team needs when we get to the playoffs.

This team has a chance to actually be the 2nd best team in the East next year with the right combination of factors I mention above. The one thing going in this team's favor is that they found a defensive identity. So long as they have that same identity there is no reason this team can't win the Atlantic and make it to the 2nd rd. From there it's all on the above factors.

We complain often and the playoffs left a bad taste, but if you're really honest and thoughtful, this team finally has something going for it that gives them a chance to win every night. We have a top defense and that can't be underestimated. There are only a few teams in the league that can defend on the level this team did last year. I'd like to see Grunwald double down on that aspect by finding a couple more players that can defend.

I was listening with an open mind, until you said 2nd best team. Who are we besting? Miami or Chicago? I have a tough time envisioning either.

Solace wrote:

nixluva wrote:Everything is going to depend on

1. The Arbitration Ruling
2. The players Grunwald is able to bring in this summer including the draft and FA's
3. The dedication to their profession that all of our players have and how they prepare for next season
4. Will Woody and his staff have the answers this team needs when we get to the playoffs.

This team has a chance to actually be the 2nd best team in the East next year with the right combination of factors I mention above. The one thing going in this team's favor is that they found a defensive identity. So long as they have that same identity there is no reason this team can't win the Atlantic and make it to the 2nd rd. From there it's all on the above factors.

We complain often and the playoffs left a bad taste, but if you're really honest and thoughtful, this team finally has something going for it that gives them a chance to win every night. We have a top defense and that can't be underestimated. There are only a few teams in the league that can defend on the level this team did last year. I'd like to see Grunwald double down on that aspect by finding a couple more players that can defend.

I was listening with an open mind, until you said 2nd best team. Who are we besting? Miami or Chicago? I have a tough time envisioning either.

Nixluva is not taking into account the probability of injuries. Our big 3 is one of the oldest in the league - over 30 years of wear and tear. We definitely had injuries but we were also fortunate to somehow have our most important player - Tyson - for every game.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Solace wrote:

nixluva wrote:Everything is going to depend on

1. The Arbitration Ruling
2. The players Grunwald is able to bring in this summer including the draft and FA's
3. The dedication to their profession that all of our players have and how they prepare for next season
4. Will Woody and his staff have the answers this team needs when we get to the playoffs.

This team has a chance to actually be the 2nd best team in the East next year with the right combination of factors I mention above. The one thing going in this team's favor is that they found a defensive identity. So long as they have that same identity there is no reason this team can't win the Atlantic and make it to the 2nd rd. From there it's all on the above factors.

We complain often and the playoffs left a bad taste, but if you're really honest and thoughtful, this team finally has something going for it that gives them a chance to win every night. We have a top defense and that can't be underestimated. There are only a few teams in the league that can defend on the level this team did last year. I'd like to see Grunwald double down on that aspect by finding a couple more players that can defend.

I was listening with an open mind, until you said 2nd best team. Who are we besting? Miami or Chicago? I have a tough time envisioning either.

Nixluva is not taking into account the probability of injuries. Our big 3 is one of the oldest in the league - over 30 years of wear and tear. We definitely had injuries but we were also fortunate to somehow have our most important player - Tyson - for every game.

also missing shumpert half the season next year doesnt help

There were no excuses last year in my opinion. We need solid team chemistry and good fortune (no major injuries) in order to make any noise next year.

lets not be delusional now...im a knicks fanatic but even i realize that we dont have a great team...we have a decent team but its schizophrenic...were no where close to a championship...but then again many teams are NOT on the level of miami...i agree with nixluva, alot depends on what grunwald does...but please realize that he doesnt have many options at all due to the cap situation...at the very best hopes, well have the same players as last yr...all we can hope for is that they play better d under woody, no more injuries and lin is the real deal

Bonn1997 wrote:

Solace wrote:

nixluva wrote:Everything is going to depend on

1. The Arbitration Ruling
2. The players Grunwald is able to bring in this summer including the draft and FA's
3. The dedication to their profession that all of our players have and how they prepare for next season
4. Will Woody and his staff have the answers this team needs when we get to the playoffs.

This team has a chance to actually be the 2nd best team in the East next year with the right combination of factors I mention above. The one thing going in this team's favor is that they found a defensive identity. So long as they have that same identity there is no reason this team can't win the Atlantic and make it to the 2nd rd. From there it's all on the above factors.

We complain often and the playoffs left a bad taste, but if you're really honest and thoughtful, this team finally has something going for it that gives them a chance to win every night. We have a top defense and that can't be underestimated. There are only a few teams in the league that can defend on the level this team did last year. I'd like to see Grunwald double down on that aspect by finding a couple more players that can defend.

I was listening with an open mind, until you said 2nd best team. Who are we besting? Miami or Chicago? I have a tough time envisioning either.

Nixluva is not taking into account the probability of injuries. Our big 3 is one of the oldest in the league - over 30 years of wear and tear. We definitely had injuries but we were also fortunate to somehow have our most important player - Tyson - for every game.

Here's the big three for every playoff team this past season:
Chicago: Rose-23, Noah-27, Boozer-30 Ave. 26.6
Miami: Lebron-27, Wade-30, Bosh-28 Ave. 28.3
Indiana: Hibbert-25, Granger-29, Paul George-22 Ave. 25.3
Boston: Rondo-26, Pierce-34, Garnett-36, Allen-36 Ave. 33
Atlanta: Johnson-30, Smith-26, Horford-26 Ave. 27.3
Orlando: Howard-26, Ryan Anderson-24, Hedo(?)-33 Ave. 27.6
New York: Melo-28, Amare-29, Tyson-29, Lin-23 Ave. 27.2
Philly: Igoudala-28, Turner-23, Williams-25, Holliday-22 Ave. 24.5

San Antonio: Duncan-36, Ginobili-34, Parker-30 Ave. 33.3
Oklahoma City: Durant-23, Westbrook-23, Harden-22 Ave. 22.6
LA Lakers: Kobe-33, Gasol-31, Bynum-24 Ave. 29.3
Memphis: Randolph-30, Gasol-27, Gay-25, Conley-24 Ave. 26.5
LA Clippers: Paul-27, Griffin-23, Jordan(?)-23 Ave. 24.3
Denver: Lawson-24, McGee(?)-24, Gallo(?)-23 23.6
Dallas: Nowitzki-34, Terry-34 Ave. 34
Utah: Jefferson-27, Millsap-27, Harris-29 Ave. 27.6

Average Age: 27.4
Median Age: 27

There is no appreciable age difference between our best players and the best players for everyone else. Indy, Philly, OKC, LAC, and Denver are the only teams more than 1 year younger than us. Even if you take Lin out of the equation, our average age is still only 28.6. If I have time later, and I feel like it, I'll go back over the last 30 NBA champs and figure out what the average age was for their best players. My guess, their average age will be higher than ours.

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Solace wrote:

nixluva wrote:Everything is going to depend on

1. The Arbitration Ruling
2. The players Grunwald is able to bring in this summer including the draft and FA's
3. The dedication to their profession that all of our players have and how they prepare for next season
4. Will Woody and his staff have the answers this team needs when we get to the playoffs.

This team has a chance to actually be the 2nd best team in the East next year with the right combination of factors I mention above. The one thing going in this team's favor is that they found a defensive identity. So long as they have that same identity there is no reason this team can't win the Atlantic and make it to the 2nd rd. From there it's all on the above factors.

We complain often and the playoffs left a bad taste, but if you're really honest and thoughtful, this team finally has something going for it that gives them a chance to win every night. We have a top defense and that can't be underestimated. There are only a few teams in the league that can defend on the level this team did last year. I'd like to see Grunwald double down on that aspect by finding a couple more players that can defend.

I was listening with an open mind, until you said 2nd best team. Who are we besting? Miami or Chicago? I have a tough time envisioning either.

Nixluva is not taking into account the probability of injuries. Our big 3 is one of the oldest in the league - over 30 years of wear and tear. We definitely had injuries but we were also fortunate to somehow have our most important player - Tyson - for every game.

Here's the big three for every playoff team this past season:
Chicago: Rose-23, Noah-27, Boozer-30 Ave. 26.6
Miami: Lebron-27, Wade-30, Bosh-28 Ave. 28.3
Indiana: Hibbert-25, Granger-29, Paul George-22 Ave. 25.3
Boston: Rondo-26, Pierce-34, Garnett-36, Allen-36 Ave. 33
Atlanta: Johnson-30, Smith-26, Horford-26 Ave. 27.3
Orlando: Howard-26, Ryan Anderson-24, Hedo(?)-33 Ave. 27.6
New York: Melo-28, Amare-29, Tyson-29, Lin-23 Ave. 27.2
Philly: Igoudala-28, Turner-23, Williams-25, Holliday-22 Ave. 24.5

San Antonio: Duncan-36, Ginobili-34, Parker-30 Ave. 33.3
Oklahoma City: Durant-23, Westbrook-23, Harden-22 Ave. 22.6
LA Lakers: Kobe-33, Gasol-31, Bynum-24 Ave. 29.3
Memphis: Randolph-30, Gasol-27, Gay-25, Conley-24 Ave. 26.5
LA Clippers: Paul-27, Griffin-23, Jordan(?)-23 Ave. 24.3
Denver: Lawson-24, McGee(?)-24, Gallo(?)-23 23.6
Dallas: Nowitzki-34, Terry-34 Ave. 34
Utah: Jefferson-27, Millsap-27, Harris-29 Ave. 27.6

Average Age: 27.4
Median Age: 27

There is no appreciable age difference between our best players and the best players for everyone else. Indy, Philly, OKC, LAC, and Denver are the only teams more than 1 year younger than us. Even if you take Lin out of the equation, our average age is still only 28.6. If I have time later, and I feel like it, I'll go back over the last 30 NBA champs and figure out what the average age was for their best players. My guess, their average age will be higher than ours.

Misleading. You list big "three", but then show four players for some teams and only two for Dallas. If you show big three, Knicks are: 28.7, and Celts are ancient.

Solace wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Solace wrote:

nixluva wrote:Everything is going to depend on

1. The Arbitration Ruling
2. The players Grunwald is able to bring in this summer including the draft and FA's
3. The dedication to their profession that all of our players have and how they prepare for next season
4. Will Woody and his staff have the answers this team needs when we get to the playoffs.

This team has a chance to actually be the 2nd best team in the East next year with the right combination of factors I mention above. The one thing going in this team's favor is that they found a defensive identity. So long as they have that same identity there is no reason this team can't win the Atlantic and make it to the 2nd rd. From there it's all on the above factors.

We complain often and the playoffs left a bad taste, but if you're really honest and thoughtful, this team finally has something going for it that gives them a chance to win every night. We have a top defense and that can't be underestimated. There are only a few teams in the league that can defend on the level this team did last year. I'd like to see Grunwald double down on that aspect by finding a couple more players that can defend.

I was listening with an open mind, until you said 2nd best team. Who are we besting? Miami or Chicago? I have a tough time envisioning either.

Nixluva is not taking into account the probability of injuries. Our big 3 is one of the oldest in the league - over 30 years of wear and tear. We definitely had injuries but we were also fortunate to somehow have our most important player - Tyson - for every game.

Here's the big three for every playoff team this past season:
Chicago: Rose-23, Noah-27, Boozer-30 Ave. 26.6
Miami: Lebron-27, Wade-30, Bosh-28 Ave. 28.3
Indiana: Hibbert-25, Granger-29, Paul George-22 Ave. 25.3
Boston: Rondo-26, Pierce-34, Garnett-36, Allen-36 Ave. 33
Atlanta: Johnson-30, Smith-26, Horford-26 Ave. 27.3
Orlando: Howard-26, Ryan Anderson-24, Hedo(?)-33 Ave. 27.6
New York: Melo-28, Amare-29, Tyson-29, Lin-23 Ave. 27.2
Philly: Igoudala-28, Turner-23, Williams-25, Holliday-22 Ave. 24.5

San Antonio: Duncan-36, Ginobili-34, Parker-30 Ave. 33.3
Oklahoma City: Durant-23, Westbrook-23, Harden-22 Ave. 22.6
LA Lakers: Kobe-33, Gasol-31, Bynum-24 Ave. 29.3
Memphis: Randolph-30, Gasol-27, Gay-25, Conley-24 Ave. 26.5
LA Clippers: Paul-27, Griffin-23, Jordan(?)-23 Ave. 24.3
Denver: Lawson-24, McGee(?)-24, Gallo(?)-23 23.6
Dallas: Nowitzki-34, Terry-34 Ave. 34
Utah: Jefferson-27, Millsap-27, Harris-29 Ave. 27.6

Average Age: 27.4
Median Age: 27

There is no appreciable age difference between our best players and the best players for everyone else. Indy, Philly, OKC, LAC, and Denver are the only teams more than 1 year younger than us. Even if you take Lin out of the equation, our average age is still only 28.6. If I have time later, and I feel like it, I'll go back over the last 30 NBA champs and figure out what the average age was for their best players. My guess, their average age will be higher than ours.

Misleading. You list big "three", but then show four players for some teams and only two for Dallas. If you show big three, Knicks are: 28.7, and Celts are ancient.

Actually, it works fine. If 3 = 4, then the Knicks are great! See bottom row:

There are no "excuses"......

Only "reasons".

Solace wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Solace wrote:

nixluva wrote:Everything is going to depend on

1. The Arbitration Ruling
2. The players Grunwald is able to bring in this summer including the draft and FA's
3. The dedication to their profession that all of our players have and how they prepare for next season
4. Will Woody and his staff have the answers this team needs when we get to the playoffs.

This team has a chance to actually be the 2nd best team in the East next year with the right combination of factors I mention above. The one thing going in this team's favor is that they found a defensive identity. So long as they have that same identity there is no reason this team can't win the Atlantic and make it to the 2nd rd. From there it's all on the above factors.

We complain often and the playoffs left a bad taste, but if you're really honest and thoughtful, this team finally has something going for it that gives them a chance to win every night. We have a top defense and that can't be underestimated. There are only a few teams in the league that can defend on the level this team did last year. I'd like to see Grunwald double down on that aspect by finding a couple more players that can defend.

I was listening with an open mind, until you said 2nd best team. Who are we besting? Miami or Chicago? I have a tough time envisioning either.

Nixluva is not taking into account the probability of injuries. Our big 3 is one of the oldest in the league - over 30 years of wear and tear. We definitely had injuries but we were also fortunate to somehow have our most important player - Tyson - for every game.

Here's the big three for every playoff team this past season:
Chicago: Rose-23, Noah-27, Boozer-30 Ave. 26.6
Miami: Lebron-27, Wade-30, Bosh-28 Ave. 28.3
Indiana: Hibbert-25, Granger-29, Paul George-22 Ave. 25.3
Boston: Rondo-26, Pierce-34, Garnett-36, Allen-36 Ave. 33
Atlanta: Johnson-30, Smith-26, Horford-26 Ave. 27.3
Orlando: Howard-26, Ryan Anderson-24, Hedo(?)-33 Ave. 27.6
New York: Melo-28, Amare-29, Tyson-29, Lin-23 Ave. 27.2
Philly: Igoudala-28, Turner-23, Williams-25, Holliday-22 Ave. 24.5

San Antonio: Duncan-36, Ginobili-34, Parker-30 Ave. 33.3
Oklahoma City: Durant-23, Westbrook-23, Harden-22 Ave. 22.6
LA Lakers: Kobe-33, Gasol-31, Bynum-24 Ave. 29.3
Memphis: Randolph-30, Gasol-27, Gay-25, Conley-24 Ave. 26.5
LA Clippers: Paul-27, Griffin-23, Jordan(?)-23 Ave. 24.3
Denver: Lawson-24, McGee(?)-24, Gallo(?)-23 23.6
Dallas: Nowitzki-34, Terry-34 Ave. 34
Utah: Jefferson-27, Millsap-27, Harris-29 Ave. 27.6

Average Age: 27.4
Median Age: 27

There is no appreciable age difference between our best players and the best players for everyone else. Indy, Philly, OKC, LAC, and Denver are the only teams more than 1 year younger than us. Even if you take Lin out of the equation, our average age is still only 28.6. If I have time later, and I feel like it, I'll go back over the last 30 NBA champs and figure out what the average age was for their best players. My guess, their average age will be higher than ours.

Misleading. You list big "three", but then show four players for some teams and only two for Dallas. If you show big three, Knicks are: 28.7, and Celts are ancient.

Yeah well, some of those teams I couldn't just pick 3, though I wasn't going to put Ray Allen in for Boston at first. As for Dallas, you take a look at that roster and tell me who the 3rd best player is, because as far as I can tell, they have one great player in Dirk, one good role player in Terry, and a whole bunch of nothing after that.

VCoug wrote:

Solace wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Solace wrote:

nixluva wrote:Everything is going to depend on

1. The Arbitration Ruling
2. The players Grunwald is able to bring in this summer including the draft and FA's
3. The dedication to their profession that all of our players have and how they prepare for next season
4. Will Woody and his staff have the answers this team needs when we get to the playoffs.

This team has a chance to actually be the 2nd best team in the East next year with the right combination of factors I mention above. The one thing going in this team's favor is that they found a defensive identity. So long as they have that same identity there is no reason this team can't win the Atlantic and make it to the 2nd rd. From there it's all on the above factors.

We complain often and the playoffs left a bad taste, but if you're really honest and thoughtful, this team finally has something going for it that gives them a chance to win every night. We have a top defense and that can't be underestimated. There are only a few teams in the league that can defend on the level this team did last year. I'd like to see Grunwald double down on that aspect by finding a couple more players that can defend.

I was listening with an open mind, until you said 2nd best team. Who are we besting? Miami or Chicago? I have a tough time envisioning either.

Nixluva is not taking into account the probability of injuries. Our big 3 is one of the oldest in the league - over 30 years of wear and tear. We definitely had injuries but we were also fortunate to somehow have our most important player - Tyson - for every game.

Here's the big three for every playoff team this past season:
Chicago: Rose-23, Noah-27, Boozer-30 Ave. 26.6
Miami: Lebron-27, Wade-30, Bosh-28 Ave. 28.3
Indiana: Hibbert-25, Granger-29, Paul George-22 Ave. 25.3
Boston: Rondo-26, Pierce-34, Garnett-36, Allen-36 Ave. 33
Atlanta: Johnson-30, Smith-26, Horford-26 Ave. 27.3
Orlando: Howard-26, Ryan Anderson-24, Hedo(?)-33 Ave. 27.6
New York: Melo-28, Amare-29, Tyson-29, Lin-23 Ave. 27.2
Philly: Igoudala-28, Turner-23, Williams-25, Holliday-22 Ave. 24.5

San Antonio: Duncan-36, Ginobili-34, Parker-30 Ave. 33.3
Oklahoma City: Durant-23, Westbrook-23, Harden-22 Ave. 22.6
LA Lakers: Kobe-33, Gasol-31, Bynum-24 Ave. 29.3
Memphis: Randolph-30, Gasol-27, Gay-25, Conley-24 Ave. 26.5
LA Clippers: Paul-27, Griffin-23, Jordan(?)-23 Ave. 24.3
Denver: Lawson-24, McGee(?)-24, Gallo(?)-23 23.6
Dallas: Nowitzki-34, Terry-34 Ave. 34
Utah: Jefferson-27, Millsap-27, Harris-29 Ave. 27.6

Average Age: 27.4
Median Age: 27

There is no appreciable age difference between our best players and the best players for everyone else. Indy, Philly, OKC, LAC, and Denver are the only teams more than 1 year younger than us. Even if you take Lin out of the equation, our average age is still only 28.6. If I have time later, and I feel like it, I'll go back over the last 30 NBA champs and figure out what the average age was for their best players. My guess, their average age will be higher than ours.

Misleading. You list big "three", but then show four players for some teams and only two for Dallas. If you show big three, Knicks are: 28.7, and Celts are ancient.

Yeah well, some of those teams I couldn't just pick 3, though I wasn't going to put Ray Allen in for Boston at first. As for Dallas, you take a look at that roster and tell me who the 3rd best player is, because as far as I can tell, they have one great player in Dirk, one good role player in Terry, and a whole bunch of nothing after that.

I don't disagree, but it destroys the metric of big three. Maybe just do average age of starting 5?

VCoug wrote:

Solace wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Solace wrote:

nixluva wrote:Everything is going to depend on

1. The Arbitration Ruling
2. The players Grunwald is able to bring in this summer including the draft and FA's
3. The dedication to their profession that all of our players have and how they prepare for next season
4. Will Woody and his staff have the answers this team needs when we get to the playoffs.

This team has a chance to actually be the 2nd best team in the East next year with the right combination of factors I mention above. The one thing going in this team's favor is that they found a defensive identity. So long as they have that same identity there is no reason this team can't win the Atlantic and make it to the 2nd rd. From there it's all on the above factors.

We complain often and the playoffs left a bad taste, but if you're really honest and thoughtful, this team finally has something going for it that gives them a chance to win every night. We have a top defense and that can't be underestimated. There are only a few teams in the league that can defend on the level this team did last year. I'd like to see Grunwald double down on that aspect by finding a couple more players that can defend.

I was listening with an open mind, until you said 2nd best team. Who are we besting? Miami or Chicago? I have a tough time envisioning either.

Nixluva is not taking into account the probability of injuries. Our big 3 is one of the oldest in the league - over 30 years of wear and tear. We definitely had injuries but we were also fortunate to somehow have our most important player - Tyson - for every game.

Here's the big three for every playoff team this past season:
Chicago: Rose-23, Noah-27, Boozer-30 Ave. 26.6
Miami: Lebron-27, Wade-30, Bosh-28 Ave. 28.3
Indiana: Hibbert-25, Granger-29, Paul George-22 Ave. 25.3
Boston: Rondo-26, Pierce-34, Garnett-36, Allen-36 Ave. 33
Atlanta: Johnson-30, Smith-26, Horford-26 Ave. 27.3
Orlando: Howard-26, Ryan Anderson-24, Hedo(?)-33 Ave. 27.6
New York: Melo-28, Amare-29, Tyson-29, Lin-23 Ave. 27.2
Philly: Igoudala-28, Turner-23, Williams-25, Holliday-22 Ave. 24.5

San Antonio: Duncan-36, Ginobili-34, Parker-30 Ave. 33.3
Oklahoma City: Durant-23, Westbrook-23, Harden-22 Ave. 22.6
LA Lakers: Kobe-33, Gasol-31, Bynum-24 Ave. 29.3
Memphis: Randolph-30, Gasol-27, Gay-25, Conley-24 Ave. 26.5
LA Clippers: Paul-27, Griffin-23, Jordan(?)-23 Ave. 24.3
Denver: Lawson-24, McGee(?)-24, Gallo(?)-23 23.6
Dallas: Nowitzki-34, Terry-34 Ave. 34
Utah: Jefferson-27, Millsap-27, Harris-29 Ave. 27.6

Average Age: 27.4
Median Age: 27

There is no appreciable age difference between our best players and the best players for everyone else. Indy, Philly, OKC, LAC, and Denver are the only teams more than 1 year younger than us. Even if you take Lin out of the equation, our average age is still only 28.6. If I have time later, and I feel like it, I'll go back over the last 30 NBA champs and figure out what the average age was for their best players. My guess, their average age will be higher than ours.

Misleading. You list big "three", but then show four players for some teams and only two for Dallas. If you show big three, Knicks are: 28.7, and Celts are ancient.

Yeah well, some of those teams I couldn't just pick 3, though I wasn't going to put Ray Allen in for Boston at first. As for Dallas, you take a look at that roster and tell me who the 3rd best player is, because as far as I can tell, they have one great player in Dirk, one good role player in Terry, and a whole bunch of nothing after that.

You sure it had nothing to do with including our 23 year old PG just to bring our number down?

Bonn1997 wrote:You sure it had nothing to do with including our 23 year old PG just to bring our number down?

Let's not be hostile. Down tiger.

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Solace wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Solace wrote:

nixluva wrote:Everything is going to depend on

1. The Arbitration Ruling
2. The players Grunwald is able to bring in this summer including the draft and FA's
3. The dedication to their profession that all of our players have and how they prepare for next season
4. Will Woody and his staff have the answers this team needs when we get to the playoffs.

This team has a chance to actually be the 2nd best team in the East next year with the right combination of factors I mention above. The one thing going in this team's favor is that they found a defensive identity. So long as they have that same identity there is no reason this team can't win the Atlantic and make it to the 2nd rd. From there it's all on the above factors.

We complain often and the playoffs left a bad taste, but if you're really honest and thoughtful, this team finally has something going for it that gives them a chance to win every night. We have a top defense and that can't be underestimated. There are only a few teams in the league that can defend on the level this team did last year. I'd like to see Grunwald double down on that aspect by finding a couple more players that can defend.

I was listening with an open mind, until you said 2nd best team. Who are we besting? Miami or Chicago? I have a tough time envisioning either.

Nixluva is not taking into account the probability of injuries. Our big 3 is one of the oldest in the league - over 30 years of wear and tear. We definitely had injuries but we were also fortunate to somehow have our most important player - Tyson - for every game.

Here's the big three for every playoff team this past season:
Chicago: Rose-23, Noah-27, Boozer-30 Ave. 26.6
Miami: Lebron-27, Wade-30, Bosh-28 Ave. 28.3
Indiana: Hibbert-25, Granger-29, Paul George-22 Ave. 25.3
Boston: Rondo-26, Pierce-34, Garnett-36, Allen-36 Ave. 33
Atlanta: Johnson-30, Smith-26, Horford-26 Ave. 27.3
Orlando: Howard-26, Ryan Anderson-24, Hedo(?)-33 Ave. 27.6
New York: Melo-28, Amare-29, Tyson-29, Lin-23 Ave. 27.2
Philly: Igoudala-28, Turner-23, Williams-25, Holliday-22 Ave. 24.5

San Antonio: Duncan-36, Ginobili-34, Parker-30 Ave. 33.3
Oklahoma City: Durant-23, Westbrook-23, Harden-22 Ave. 22.6
LA Lakers: Kobe-33, Gasol-31, Bynum-24 Ave. 29.3
Memphis: Randolph-30, Gasol-27, Gay-25, Conley-24 Ave. 26.5
LA Clippers: Paul-27, Griffin-23, Jordan(?)-23 Ave. 24.3
Denver: Lawson-24, McGee(?)-24, Gallo(?)-23 23.6
Dallas: Nowitzki-34, Terry-34 Ave. 34
Utah: Jefferson-27, Millsap-27, Harris-29 Ave. 27.6

Average Age: 27.4
Median Age: 27

There is no appreciable age difference between our best players and the best players for everyone else. Indy, Philly, OKC, LAC, and Denver are the only teams more than 1 year younger than us. Even if you take Lin out of the equation, our average age is still only 28.6. If I have time later, and I feel like it, I'll go back over the last 30 NBA champs and figure out what the average age was for their best players. My guess, their average age will be higher than ours.

Misleading. You list big "three", but then show four players for some teams and only two for Dallas. If you show big three, Knicks are: 28.7, and Celts are ancient.

Yeah well, some of those teams I couldn't just pick 3, though I wasn't going to put Ray Allen in for Boston at first. As for Dallas, you take a look at that roster and tell me who the 3rd best player is, because as far as I can tell, they have one great player in Dirk, one good role player in Terry, and a whole bunch of nothing after that.

You sure it had nothing to do with including our 23 year old PG just to bring our number down?

Pretty sure, considering I put in the average age without Lin as well.

Even if you take Lin out of the equation, our average age is still only 28.6.

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Solace wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Solace wrote:

nixluva wrote:Everything is going to depend on

1. The Arbitration Ruling
2. The players Grunwald is able to bring in this summer including the draft and FA's
3. The dedication to their profession that all of our players have and how they prepare for next season
4. Will Woody and his staff have the answers this team needs when we get to the playoffs.

This team has a chance to actually be the 2nd best team in the East next year with the right combination of factors I mention above. The one thing going in this team's favor is that they found a defensive identity. So long as they have that same identity there is no reason this team can't win the Atlantic and make it to the 2nd rd. From there it's all on the above factors.

We complain often and the playoffs left a bad taste, but if you're really honest and thoughtful, this team finally has something going for it that gives them a chance to win every night. We have a top defense and that can't be underestimated. There are only a few teams in the league that can defend on the level this team did last year. I'd like to see Grunwald double down on that aspect by finding a couple more players that can defend.

I was listening with an open mind, until you said 2nd best team. Who are we besting? Miami or Chicago? I have a tough time envisioning either.

Nixluva is not taking into account the probability of injuries. Our big 3 is one of the oldest in the league - over 30 years of wear and tear. We definitely had injuries but we were also fortunate to somehow have our most important player - Tyson - for every game.

Here's the big three for every playoff team this past season:
Chicago: Rose-23, Noah-27, Boozer-30 Ave. 26.6
Miami: Lebron-27, Wade-30, Bosh-28 Ave. 28.3
Indiana: Hibbert-25, Granger-29, Paul George-22 Ave. 25.3
Boston: Rondo-26, Pierce-34, Garnett-36, Allen-36 Ave. 33
Atlanta: Johnson-30, Smith-26, Horford-26 Ave. 27.3
Orlando: Howard-26, Ryan Anderson-24, Hedo(?)-33 Ave. 27.6
New York: Melo-28, Amare-29, Tyson-29, Lin-23 Ave. 27.2
Philly: Igoudala-28, Turner-23, Williams-25, Holliday-22 Ave. 24.5

San Antonio: Duncan-36, Ginobili-34, Parker-30 Ave. 33.3
Oklahoma City: Durant-23, Westbrook-23, Harden-22 Ave. 22.6
LA Lakers: Kobe-33, Gasol-31, Bynum-24 Ave. 29.3
Memphis: Randolph-30, Gasol-27, Gay-25, Conley-24 Ave. 26.5
LA Clippers: Paul-27, Griffin-23, Jordan(?)-23 Ave. 24.3
Denver: Lawson-24, McGee(?)-24, Gallo(?)-23 23.6
Dallas: Nowitzki-34, Terry-34 Ave. 34
Utah: Jefferson-27, Millsap-27, Harris-29 Ave. 27.6

Average Age: 27.4
Median Age: 27

There is no appreciable age difference between our best players and the best players for everyone else. Indy, Philly, OKC, LAC, and Denver are the only teams more than 1 year younger than us. Even if you take Lin out of the equation, our average age is still only 28.6. If I have time later, and I feel like it, I'll go back over the last 30 NBA champs and figure out what the average age was for their best players. My guess, their average age will be higher than ours.

Misleading. You list big "three", but then show four players for some teams and only two for Dallas. If you show big three, Knicks are: 28.7, and Celts are ancient.

Yeah well, some of those teams I couldn't just pick 3, though I wasn't going to put Ray Allen in for Boston at first. As for Dallas, you take a look at that roster and tell me who the 3rd best player is, because as far as I can tell, they have one great player in Dirk, one good role player in Terry, and a whole bunch of nothing after that.

You sure it had nothing to do with including our 23 year old PG just to bring our number down?

Pretty sure, considering I put in the average age without Lin as well.

Even if you take Lin out of the equation, our average age is still only 28.6.

"Only 28.6" is a ridiculous statement. That's well past when the average player peaks and it makes us the thirteenth oldest of the 16 teams - basically one of the oldest big 3 in the league like I said.