Andrew wrote:crzymdups wrote:Andrew wrote:If I'm the Knicks I match Fields offer even though he would be overpaid. At this point the only bad thing that comes of it is Dolan pays the luxury tax. The inflated salary doesn't prevent the Knicks from signing anyone (3M exception), which is what they would have either way. You need to retain your assets.
but is he really still an asset if he's incredibly overpaid?
If he's in the rotation, he's an asset.
If he's horribly overpaid, to me he's Shandon Anderson. Contributes to the team being over the cap for years to come. I don't like it. Fields regressed. Never showed anything in the playoffs. Never developed any offensive moves. No way is he worth $20M. And I love his hustle. But his defense needs work and his offense needs a LOT of work. He's not a $20M player.
franco12 wrote:Solace wrote:Andrew wrote:If I'm the Knicks I match Fields offer even though he would be overpaid. At this point the only bad thing that comes of it is Dolan pays the luxury tax. The inflated salary doesn't prevent the Knicks from signing anyone (3M exception), which is what they would have either way. You need to retain your assets.
Not this year, but after year 2, the penalties get much worse, as I recall. We really can't stay hovered over $74 million every year. The new CBA isn't a hard cap, but it's about as close as you can get to a hard cap without actually having one. You can't afford to pay that kind of money unless it's for a starter with the current CBA.
also - but not matching, we have the full mle to use now.
Not necessarily...actually a very slim chance if you plan on signing Lin.
Andrew wrote:Solace wrote:Andrew wrote:If I'm the Knicks I match Fields offer even though he would be overpaid. At this point the only bad thing that comes of it is Dolan pays the luxury tax. The inflated salary doesn't prevent the Knicks from signing anyone (3M exception), which is what they would have either way. You need to retain your assets.
Not this year, but after year 2, the penalties get much worse, as I recall. We really can't stay hovered over $74 million every year. The new CBA isn't a hard cap, but it's about as close as you can get to a hard cap without actually having one. You can't afford to pay that kind of money unless it's for a starter with the current CBA.
Worse...but not so bad. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q23
Right. No bi-annual, no mid-level, can't increase salary at all in trade, no sign and trades, no Gilbert Arenas provision. In other words, you lose most avenues to improve your team. Your avenues to improve team are mini-mid level, veteran min contracts and trades where you reduce salary. In other words, 90% of the chances to improve team are gone. Not to mention the team is paying a higher percentage of luxury tax than in the previous CBA. That's pretty close to a hard cap. No flexibility. Do you give this up for Landry Fields? I don't.
crzymdups wrote:Andrew wrote:crzymdups wrote:Andrew wrote:If I'm the Knicks I match Fields offer even though he would be overpaid. At this point the only bad thing that comes of it is Dolan pays the luxury tax. The inflated salary doesn't prevent the Knicks from signing anyone (3M exception), which is what they would have either way. You need to retain your assets.
but is he really still an asset if he's incredibly overpaid?
If he's in the rotation, he's an asset.
If he's horribly overpaid, to me he's Shandon Anderson. Contributes to the team being over the cap for years to come. I don't like it. Fields regressed. Never showed anything in the playoffs. Never developed any offensive moves. No way is he worth $20M. And I love his hustle. But his defense needs work and his offense needs a LOT of work. He's not a $20M player.
I agree, he's not a worth the 7M average, but the Knicks are going to be over the cap for years to come with or without his salary.
who cares if fields leaves? he played well to start his career but regressed badly since.
Solace wrote:Andrew wrote:Solace wrote:Andrew wrote:If I'm the Knicks I match Fields offer even though he would be overpaid. At this point the only bad thing that comes of it is Dolan pays the luxury tax. The inflated salary doesn't prevent the Knicks from signing anyone (3M exception), which is what they would have either way. You need to retain your assets.
Not this year, but after year 2, the penalties get much worse, as I recall. We really can't stay hovered over $74 million every year. The new CBA isn't a hard cap, but it's about as close as you can get to a hard cap without actually having one. You can't afford to pay that kind of money unless it's for a starter with the current CBA.
Worse...but not so bad. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q23
Right. No bi-annual, no mid-level, can't increase salary at all in trade, no sign and trades, no Gilbert Arenas provision. In other words, you lose most avenues to improve your team. Your avenues to improve team are mini-mid level, veteran min contracts and trades where you reduce salary. In other words, 90% of the chances to improve team are gone. Not to mention the team is paying a higher percentage of luxury tax than in the previous CBA. That's pretty close to a hard cap. No flexibility. Do you give this up for Landry Fields? I don't.
Do you sign Lin then? Because by signing him you are probably already in that situation you described. That's why I think you match Fields, because either way you are going to be over the cap threshold.
crzymdups wrote:BAM! take that, Toronto!Seth Rosenthal @seth_rosenthal
Good! RT @Chris_Broussard: Cleveland, New York have shown interest in Raptors' restricted free agent Sonny Weems, sources say.
So we're going to replace Landry Fields with....Landry Fields?
Andrew wrote:crzymdups wrote:Andrew wrote:crzymdups wrote:Andrew wrote:If I'm the Knicks I match Fields offer even though he would be overpaid. At this point the only bad thing that comes of it is Dolan pays the luxury tax. The inflated salary doesn't prevent the Knicks from signing anyone (3M exception), which is what they would have either way. You need to retain your assets.
but is he really still an asset if he's incredibly overpaid?
If he's in the rotation, he's an asset.
If he's horribly overpaid, to me he's Shandon Anderson. Contributes to the team being over the cap for years to come. I don't like it. Fields regressed. Never showed anything in the playoffs. Never developed any offensive moves. No way is he worth $20M. And I love his hustle. But his defense needs work and his offense needs a LOT of work. He's not a $20M player.
I agree, he's not a worth the 7M average, but the Knicks are going to be over the cap for years to come with or without his salary.
Yeah, but there's a difference between one or two contracts away from being under the cap and being like 8 contracts away from being under the cap.
I dunno. If you think Fields is a KEY part of the next three year run with Melo Tyson and Amar'e... I guess you think about signing him.
I just don't buy that he is.
I remember entire second halfs where Woodson ddidn't play him and Novak and Smith played instead.
Speaking of which, Novak and Smith have to be furious right now. Or at least Smith.
JamesKPolk wrote:crzymdups wrote:BAM! take that, Toronto!Seth Rosenthal @seth_rosenthal
Good! RT @Chris_Broussard: Cleveland, New York have shown interest in Raptors' restricted free agent Sonny Weems, sources say.
So we're going to replace Landry Fields with....Landry Fields?
likely at a fraction of the cost. i think that's a smart move.
Toronto just destroyed the FA market for EVERY SINGLE TEAM.
Players and agents are now like... if Landry Fields is worth $7M.... shouldn't I be getting $12M or $15M or $20M.
Lotta teams probably pissed at Toronto right now.
crzymdups wrote:BAM! take that, Toronto!Seth Rosenthal @seth_rosenthal
Good! RT @Chris_Broussard: Cleveland, New York have shown interest in Raptors' restricted free agent Sonny Weems, sources say.
Tell me about Sonny Weems?
Fuck Toronto. Seriously. We better not trade Shump. I finally just got his freaking jersey
gunsnewing wrote:crzymdups wrote:BAM! take that, Toronto!Seth Rosenthal @seth_rosenthal
Good! RT @Chris_Broussard: Cleveland, New York have shown interest in Raptors' restricted free agent Sonny Weems, sources say.
Tell me about Sonny Weems?
What are we going to offer him? The minimum? You think Toronto matches that?
The crazy thing if getting Nash gets us no closer to competing with miami, brooklyn & boston and we lose Shump on top of it
Andrew wrote:gunsnewing wrote:crzymdups wrote:BAM! take that, Toronto!Seth Rosenthal @seth_rosenthal
Good! RT @Chris_Broussard: Cleveland, New York have shown interest in Raptors' restricted free agent Sonny Weems, sources say.
Tell me about Sonny Weems?
What are we going to offer him? The minimum? You think Toronto matches that?
Is Weems restricted? I've seen him listed as unrestricted, i think.
http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm
anyway, i agree that Weems is essentially Fields. more athletic, probably a better defneder, has more of a mean streak. just as bad a shooter. probably better at driving with the ball. a little shorter than fields, but not much.
crzymdups wrote:Andrew wrote:gunsnewing wrote:crzymdups wrote:BAM! take that, Toronto!Seth Rosenthal @seth_rosenthal
Good! RT @Chris_Broussard: Cleveland, New York have shown interest in Raptors' restricted free agent Sonny Weems, sources say.
Tell me about Sonny Weems?
What are we going to offer him? The minimum? You think Toronto matches that?
Is Weems restricted? I've seen him listed as unrestricted, i think.
http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm
anyway, i agree that Weems is essentially Fields. more athletic, probably a better defneder, has more of a mean streak. just as bad a shooter. probably better at driving with the ball. a little shorter than fields, but not much.
Don't know....I was going with what Broussard tweeted.
I hope we are on the phone trying to make this sign and trade happen with phx before 7/11 so we can stick it right back to Toronto.
Saw that Fields was a verbal commitment....so stay tuned.
Andrew wrote:Saw that Fields was a verbal commitment....so stay tuned.
Yeah he can't sign until the 11th right?
Why would Fields sign for less with Phoenix? To help us? Fields is getting paid by the Raptors. He'll follow the money. There's no loyalty to the Knicks.
I don't think this was done to thwart a Knicks suns Nash trade- after all if it was all about getting Nash, why wouldn't they have just added the $20mil salary to Nash's offer instead? Would be hard for him to turn down $56mil over 3 years.
I think this is more aimed at getting Lin, and I hope it backfires
