Stinks that our best offseason since h20, lj, childs is about to get overshadowed by the Nets of all teams
MinsHeartsReezy@ 7/9/2012 8:34 PM
Knicksfan wrote:Do we owe Houston something? They always take us to the cleaners in trades. The deal is already lopsided when you think of the players moved. Add the picks and we just got fooled again.
When you add the Lin offer sheet by Houston to the mix, I think it all makes sense. We're paying 29mil for Lin instead of the possible 40mil + poison pill people were speculating about. I think both of these trades ultimately work in our favor as well as the Rockets...except they Rockets are the only ones who are gambling...our moves are pretty solid.
Grunwald is working magic so far...who thought last month that we'd have Lin, Novak, Camby, Kidd, and likely Jeffries and maybe JR on the roster next season??
Mray20@ 7/9/2012 8:35 PM
Now when Tyson sits or gets in foul trouble Camby can step right in and there is no drop off in interior defense, great move by the Knicks, deepest team in the league if we can keep JR.
Caseloads@ 7/9/2012 8:35 PM
Knicksfan wrote:Do we owe Houston something? They always take us to the cleaners in trades. The deal is already lopsided when you think of the players moved. Add the picks and we just got fooled again.
Don't get it. Houston owns the Knicks
misterearl@ 7/9/2012 8:35 PM
Thou Shalt Not Covet
gunsnewing wrote:Stinks that our best offseason since h20, lj, childs is about to get overshadowed by the Nets of all teams
gunsnewing - worrying about the Nets is a game for weak hearts.
Glen Grunwald is not finished.
C'mon Son!, Do you really miss Toney Douglas?
JamesKPolk@ 7/9/2012 8:36 PM
Knicksfan wrote:Do we owe Houston something? They always take us to the cleaners in trades. The deal is already lopsided when you think of the players moved. Add the picks and we just got fooled again.
Is this a joke? All players we sent to them are worthless. Only Jorts is decent and he may be waived by them.
Knicksfan@ 7/9/2012 8:37 PM
MinsHeartsReezy wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Do we owe Houston something? They always take us to the cleaners in trades. The deal is already lopsided when you think of the players moved. Add the picks and we just got fooled again.
When you add the Lin offer sheet by Houston to the mix, I think it all makes sense. We're paying 29mil for Lin instead of the possible 40mil + poison pill people were speculating about. I think both of these trades ultimately work in our favor as well as the Rockets...except they Rockets are the only ones who are gambling...our moves are pretty solid.
Grunwald is working magic so far...who thought last month that we'd have Lin, Novak, Camby, Kidd, and likely Jeffries and maybe JR on the roster next season??
You cooking something. Forgot about Lin so it could be making more sense now...
Knicksfan@ 7/9/2012 8:39 PM
JamesKPolk wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Do we owe Houston something? They always take us to the cleaners in trades. The deal is already lopsided when you think of the players moved. Add the picks and we just got fooled again.
Is this a joke? All players we sent to them are worthless. Only Jorts is decent and he may be waived by them.
Hope they do and we get him back.
Mray20@ 7/9/2012 8:39 PM
We're starting to resemble the 2011 Champion Dallas Mavericks , got a very solid bench and good role players and one true Superstar In Melo just like Dirk , I like what I see.
EnySpree@ 7/9/2012 8:40 PM
camby's first game after he got traded to Houston....still can play at a high level
MinsHeartsReezy@ 7/9/2012 8:43 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Do we owe Houston something? They always take us to the cleaners in trades. The deal is already lopsided when you think of the players moved. Add the picks and we just got fooled again.
Is this a joke? All players we sent to them are worthless. Only Jorts is decent and he may be waived by them.
Hope they do and we get him back.
"John Hollinger: Got ahead of myself -- Rockets need to cut a few of these guys to have room for offer sheets for Lin and Asik. 4 minutes ago"
I dnt expect Kidd and Camby to play at a high level for 82 games.
gunsnewing@ 7/9/2012 8:45 PM
Losing Jorts stings a bit but he would've been 3rd on the depth chart behind camby & JJ2. We can't afford to pay 2nd rd dleaguers so whatev. As long as we keep whatever 1st round picks we still have if any. We do have next years thats to leagues rules. I know that much!
Can't wait to see #23 in a Knicks uni again..should've never been let go!
Knicksfan@ 7/9/2012 8:45 PM
MinsHeartsReezy wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Do we owe Houston something? They always take us to the cleaners in trades. The deal is already lopsided when you think of the players moved. Add the picks and we just got fooled again.
Is this a joke? All players we sent to them are worthless. Only Jorts is decent and he may be waived by them.
Hope they do and we get him back.
"John Hollinger: Got ahead of myself -- Rockets need to cut a few of these guys to have room for offer sheets for Lin and Asik. 4 minutes ago"
So we traded them only to match the salary but may have gotten a verbal agreement on who they waive so we get them back on minimum deals? Is that possible?
PresIke@ 7/9/2012 8:46 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
PresIke wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Do we owe Houston something? They always take us to the cleaners in trades. The deal is already lopsided when you think of the players moved. Add the picks and we just got fooled again.
dude, they are 2nd rounders.
jorts is the worst part to lose.
this isn't a terrible deal at all.
I know but as I said previously, as a capped out team we need to keep assets and I think we gave up a lot of them here. But I know the benefits will be greater and if we can get our SG after the moves we have made, well be fine. Just worry this move will hurt us getting Foye or any other solid SG.
assets are worth something to use to acquire players.
our stars are here, we just need a better bench and shore up weaknesses.
jorts is a tough one to lose, but 2nd round picks for what we expect to be (a 50 win team) is not gonna be much.
in 2015/16 we will likely be rebuilding in some form.
whether that's with some of the main pieces (like melo in his early 30s) and cap space (seems more likely) or via a full on rebuild, which we have never seen in ny.
misterearl@ 7/9/2012 8:46 PM
Sheesh
AnubisADL wrote:I dnt expect Kidd and Camby to play at a high level for 82 games.
Kidd and Camby will be on the bench doing crossword puzzles for most of any game. The idea is quality depth can can give you 15 minutes a night and BUILD a lead when you need a change of pace or when the starters are sluggish.
Stop the whining.
RonRon@ 7/9/2012 8:47 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Do we owe Houston something? They always take us to the cleaners in trades. The deal is already lopsided when you think of the players moved. Add the picks and we just got fooled again.
Is this a joke? All players we sent to them are worthless. Only Jorts is decent and he may be waived by them.
Hope they do and we get him back.
I believe the new CBA does not allow players to return to the team that traded them for an _______ amount of period. Same with amnesty, we can trade back for them though, I think.
martin@ 7/9/2012 8:47 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
MinsHeartsReezy wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Do we owe Houston something? They always take us to the cleaners in trades. The deal is already lopsided when you think of the players moved. Add the picks and we just got fooled again.
Is this a joke? All players we sent to them are worthless. Only Jorts is decent and he may be waived by them.
Hope they do and we get him back.
"John Hollinger: Got ahead of myself -- Rockets need to cut a few of these guys to have room for offer sheets for Lin and Asik. 4 minutes ago"
So we traded them only to match the salary but may have gotten a verbal agreement on who they waive so we get them back on minimum deals? Is that possible?
I want to say that players you trade can't come back to the team for like 90 days? Is that correct?
PresIke@ 7/9/2012 8:48 PM
loweyecue wrote:Another bad trade. Love Camby but at what price? Does TD count against their cap or ours at this point? Why couldn't we keep Jorts? And why couldn't we get a pick back instead of shipping out two seconds? UGH
why is this a bad trade?
jorts is a tough loss, but we have no cap space and want to bring back smith (i am guessing).
how else were we gonna get the guy in a competitive marketplace for his signing?
martin@ 7/9/2012 8:48 PM
AnubisADL wrote:I dnt expect Kidd and Camby to play at a high level for 82 games.
I don't think anyone does. They will both be backups and then valuable in the playoffs.
PresIke@ 7/9/2012 8:49 PM
Mray20 wrote:Now when Tyson sits or gets in foul trouble Camby can step right in and there is no drop off in interior defense, great move by the Knicks, deepest team in the league if we can keep JR.
generally, i agree.
not sure if i'd all it a great signing, but a good one.
we have improved two weaknesses with he and the kidd move.
