MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.
JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.
I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.
3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.
You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.
And the Rocket's didn't control Lin (yet). I can't blame Lin for going where the money is, I would have done the same in a split second. But people choosing to pretend "All he wanted was to be a Knick, and those bastards never gave him the chance" are living in a special little world. When Steve Nash is available, you look into it. If anything, the Jason Kidd signing should have signaled their commitment to Lin and grooming him for the future. Felton was a late development once the Knicks decided they've been scorned.
Still 6 hours til midnight. If Dolan is as fickle as everyone believes, still a chance he changes his mind.
FeltonandAmare@ 7/17/2012 6:05 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:It's a mistake to give up an asset for nothing
I can't believe they are that stupid.
Especially since the Luxury Tax excuse has been exposed (see below). It's either Dolan being Dolan or a basketball decision by the GM, coach, etc that Lin can't help us. I lean toward Dolan being Dolan.
One point the Knicks have made is they don’t want to take a tax hit of $43 million or so in the last year of Lin’s deal. But the CBA contains a stretch provision clause that allows a team to waive a player with an odorous contract and spread the remaining years out over twice the number of years, plus one.
So say the Knicks waive Lin after he completes two years of the 3-year, $25.1 million deal with $14.9 in that third year. They could stretch the third year payment over three years (one year, times two, plus one) and the salary would only cost $5 million against the Knicks cap. The luxury tax would them also be in line.
And if after two years the Knicks determine Lin is worth every penny, they could keep him and perhaps use the provision on a different player. Lin’s contract, of course, would stay the same.
subzero0@ 7/17/2012 6:06 PM
Why even renovate MSG? If Dolan really wanted to push fans away, why even spend the money?
markvmc@ 7/17/2012 6:07 PM
Looking on the bright side, if the pg's job is just "give it to Melo and stand back," we probably don't need that good of a pg.
Jmpasq@ 7/17/2012 6:11 PM
Trading him would be nice but I assume the Knicks have looked into teams where he could be sent if they matched. Believe it or not teams might not want to give Lin that deal
joec32033@ 7/17/2012 6:12 PM
JamesKPolk wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.
JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.
I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.
3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.
You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.
I am so sick of hearing this. Lin controlled if be signed it! Lin controlled the damn structure of the deal! Instead of 5/5/15 he could have said no I want 7/7/11! Lin was not forced to sign this damn offer sheet. The Rockets were desperate-made that way through their own moves- they weren't gonna be able to "dictate" a lot. Have you not heard that Lin and his agents had to NEGOTIATE his offer sheet. Negotiate means he has a say how everything is structured. It is such a load of steaming crap that Lin had no choice and didn't control anything.
watupmyknicker@ 7/17/2012 6:13 PM
Wats Guys I'm The Newer guy around and am pissed at jeremy lin.
But if it was me and we didn't get a offer right away from the team that I brought Normsanity to , then ima go out and get my money and a guaranteed team contract that wants me asap.
My Name is Norman :) that's where the Normsanity is from lol
Jmpasq@ 7/17/2012 6:20 PM
JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.
U can buy that all u want but he is better off for his career in Houston. Knicks were not going to let him control the offense here. In Houston he will be able to put up better numbers because they suck. He can drive and kick till the cows come home. That Offense wasnt going to happen in NY
mrKnickShot@ 7/17/2012 6:21 PM
watupmyknicker wrote:Wats Guys I'm The Newer guy around and am pissed at jeremy lin.
But if it was me and we didn't get a offer right away from the team that I brought Normsanity to , then ima go out and get my money and a guaranteed team contract that wants me asap.
My Name is Norman :) that's where the Normsanity is from lol
That is the best name I've seen
Jmpasq@ 7/17/2012 6:22 PM
JamesKPolk wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.
You chose how to see this. If you chose seeing Lin as the innocent victim of the malevolent Knicks, there is always the Rockets.
Knicks could very well be making a mistake by not matching, but to see this as a Knicks blunder is being biased. If Lin wanted to be here, he should've thought twice about signing the revamped offer, if it wasn't his team the main responsible for upping the offer. Come on, Lin is intelligent enough to know the first offer was favorable and the second one was a poison pill to the Knicks. If the team taking the poison pill is the team wou want to return, you don't sign the offer and go back to NY to get a similar deal than the first one. To sign a revamped deal without consulting New York, the team you are supposedly wanting to return to, was Lin's mistake and sealed his doom.
Don't see this as a Knicks blunder alone. The Knicks could be missing on a promising young point guard, but Lin is choosing the comfort of his new contract and not the chance to add to his legend in the biggest market, which actually had as much protagonism in the Linsanity story as his good play. Think "Linsanity" will repeat in Houston? Don't think so.
Has sports changed recently and I'm not aware? When do players refuse guaranteed money? There is no loyalty in sports from anyone.
Strange how the same people that ripped Melo for wanting to get paid give Lin a pass
BasketballJones@ 7/17/2012 6:23 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
watupmyknicker wrote:Wats Guys I'm The Newer guy around and am pissed at jeremy lin.
But if it was me and we didn't get a offer right away from the team that I brought Normsanity to , then ima go out and get my money and a guaranteed team contract that wants me asap.
My Name is Norman :) that's where the Normsanity is from lol
That is the best name I've seen
Really? Why?
mrKnickShot@ 7/17/2012 6:23 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
watupmyknicker wrote:Wats Guys I'm The Newer guy around and am pissed at jeremy lin.
But if it was me and we didn't get a offer right away from the team that I brought Normsanity to , then ima go out and get my money and a guaranteed team contract that wants me asap.
My Name is Norman :) that's where the Normsanity is from lol
That is the best name I've seen
Really? Why?
watup!
Now thats funny.
Jmpasq@ 7/17/2012 6:24 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:It's a mistake to give up an asset for nothing
I can't believe they are that stupid.
I would even mind if they traded him for a 1st round drfat picks since we literallu have none for the next few years
Your assuming someone wants to pay him that. Im sure the Knicks looked into it
Knicksfan@ 7/17/2012 6:33 PM
For a glympse of Lin as a Rocket, see this:
loweyecue@ 7/17/2012 6:34 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.
You chose how to see this. If you chose seeing Lin as the innocent victim of the malevolent Knicks, there is always the Rockets.
Knicks could very well be making a mistake by not matching, but to see this as a Knicks blunder is being biased. If Lin wanted to be here, he should've thought twice about signing the revamped offer, if it wasn't his team the main responsible for upping the offer. Come on, Lin is intelligent enough to know the first offer was favorable and the second one was a poison pill to the Knicks. If the team taking the poison pill is the team wou want to return, you don't sign the offer and go back to NY to get a similar deal than the first one. To sign a revamped deal without consulting New York, the team you are supposedly wanting to return to, was Lin's mistake and sealed his doom.
Don't see this as a Knicks blunder alone. The Knicks could be missing on a promising young point guard, but Lin is choosing the comfort of his new contract and not the chance to add to his legend in the biggest market, which actually had as much protagonism in the Linsanity story as his good play. Think "Linsanity" will repeat in Houston? Don't think so.
Has sports changed recently and I'm not aware? When do players refuse guaranteed money? There is no loyalty in sports from anyone.
Strange how the same people that ripped Melo for wanting to get paid give Lin a pass
Could it possibly be becasue they feel Lin at $25M for 3years is far better value than Melo at $100M for 5?
s3231@ 7/17/2012 6:35 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.
You chose how to see this. If you chose seeing Lin as the innocent victim of the malevolent Knicks, there is always the Rockets.
Knicks could very well be making a mistake by not matching, but to see this as a Knicks blunder is being biased. If Lin wanted to be here, he should've thought twice about signing the revamped offer, if it wasn't his team the main responsible for upping the offer. Come on, Lin is intelligent enough to know the first offer was favorable and the second one was a poison pill to the Knicks. If the team taking the poison pill is the team wou want to return, you don't sign the offer and go back to NY to get a similar deal than the first one. To sign a revamped deal without consulting New York, the team you are supposedly wanting to return to, was Lin's mistake and sealed his doom.
Don't see this as a Knicks blunder alone. The Knicks could be missing on a promising young point guard, but Lin is choosing the comfort of his new contract and not the chance to add to his legend in the biggest market, which actually had as much protagonism in the Linsanity story as his good play. Think "Linsanity" will repeat in Houston? Don't think so.
Has sports changed recently and I'm not aware? When do players refuse guaranteed money? There is no loyalty in sports from anyone.
Strange how the same people that ripped Melo for wanting to get paid give Lin a pass
How much money had Melo made in the NBA before his extension with us? Now, compare that to Lin....
Melo gutted our team for a few extra million $ (not per year, few extra period). Had he waited till free agency, we still could have given him a ton of money.
loweyecue@ 7/17/2012 6:36 PM
Really bummed, but then a team that risks millions on complete garbage would balk at an extar $5M on the best young player they have seen in 20 years makes complete sense. PUKE
BasketballJones@ 7/17/2012 6:38 PM
I'm sure Lin will be happy whatever happens because he's gonna get a big payday. And he may sincerely prefer Houston over New York. AND there would be a cool new place for all of his rabid fans to hang out: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php....
Jmpasq@ 7/17/2012 6:39 PM
s3231 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.
You chose how to see this. If you chose seeing Lin as the innocent victim of the malevolent Knicks, there is always the Rockets.
Knicks could very well be making a mistake by not matching, but to see this as a Knicks blunder is being biased. If Lin wanted to be here, he should've thought twice about signing the revamped offer, if it wasn't his team the main responsible for upping the offer. Come on, Lin is intelligent enough to know the first offer was favorable and the second one was a poison pill to the Knicks. If the team taking the poison pill is the team wou want to return, you don't sign the offer and go back to NY to get a similar deal than the first one. To sign a revamped deal without consulting New York, the team you are supposedly wanting to return to, was Lin's mistake and sealed his doom.
Don't see this as a Knicks blunder alone. The Knicks could be missing on a promising young point guard, but Lin is choosing the comfort of his new contract and not the chance to add to his legend in the biggest market, which actually had as much protagonism in the Linsanity story as his good play. Think "Linsanity" will repeat in Houston? Don't think so.
Has sports changed recently and I'm not aware? When do players refuse guaranteed money? There is no loyalty in sports from anyone.
Strange how the same people that ripped Melo for wanting to get paid give Lin a pass
How much money had Melo made in the NBA before his extension with us? Now, compare that to Lin....
Melo gutted our team for a few extra million $ (not per year, few extra period). Had he waited till free agency, we still could have given him a ton of money.
Gutted? A RFA In Chandler we would of had to renounce to get another max player. Felton-Who is a Knick, Galo- good controlled player, Mozgov -borderline NBA player. Maybe my view of gutted is different and also the CBA issues is always forgotten but keep hating Melo
gunsnewing@ 7/17/2012 6:40 PM
loweyecue wrote:Really bummed, but then a team that risks millions on complete garbage would balk at an extar $5M on the best young player they have seen in 20 years makes complete sense. PUKE
5hrs to go
OasisBU@ 7/17/2012 6:43 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Really bummed, but then a team that risks millions on complete garbage would balk at an extar $5M on the best young player they have seen in 20 years makes complete sense. PUKE
5hrs to go
Don't set yourself up for disappointment, the news has leaked and all signs point to no match. I will be pleasantly surprised if they do match but it really does not look like that is going to happen.
