Knicks · Not every fan that leaves is a bandwagoner (page 1)

I've been reading a lot of forums and comments reacting to this Jeremy Lin news because, as fascinating as the start of "Linsanity" was, its just as interesting to see how people have reacted to a really tough poison pill to swallow (pun intended). The different reactions alone would make for a good investigation on sports psychology, but as a Knicks fan, it hits me deeper. While some fans are putting on their strong, die-hard fan face, others are trully considering jumping ship. After reading a lot, I think die-hard fans have to consider that some of those jumping ship are also die-hard fans that simply had enough.

Its a running joke for sports fans to talk about the "long suffering knicks fans", those poor knowledgeable souls that get to live in the mecca of basketball, yet have endured years of bad management, embarrassing controversies and pretty horrible basketball. New yorkers believe, rightfully so, that they deserve better, but incompetence from the people in command have left them pessimistic about the future, uninterested in the present and even have developed a high sense of sarcasm to avoid the frustration of their team. Even when stars like Melo and Amare were being brought in, optimism didn't grow much from a fan base that has gotten used to suffering and disappointments.

Then something magical happens. A kid who was waived twice and could barely pay his bills came out of nowhere and manned the position most respected in NY, the Point Guard. He does it in the worst situation possible, with NYs main stars sidelined and a crucial stretch that would help define if NY moved to the playoffs or not. Not only that, but the guy did it with such poise and tenacity, it immediately captured the fan base because in a way he represented NY better than the players that were on the team. He represented that line "concrete jungle where dreams are made of, there is nothing you can't do".

To a fan base that has suffered for so long and has lost hope so much that hardly anything would surprise them, this "Linsanity" was such an amazing shot of adrenaline that it even got people that was hibernating be fans once again. The story went global.

How should a fan base react to that all ending abruptly in such an anti-climatic fashion? For all the greatness "linsanity" brought, to end in an ugly contract dispute is really hard to digest. But here is the thing with fans reaction: it isn't just about Lin, but the accumulation of years where management has disregarded them, throwing away millions in dysfunctional teams that were an embarrassment to the city. Now suddenly when the "basketball gods" seemed to grace upon them with a blessing of an amazing story, here again comes management to take it away.

Some fans started rooting for NY because of Lin, and those are expected to be already on their waythat to Houston. But many die- hard fans have discovered with this situation that they aren't immortal fans and that its practically ilogical to root for a team. Whose management always finds a way to damage and take the joy away. Those fans aren't leaving because of Lins departure, but because of the accumulation of lost hope in the actual owners of the Knicks fortunes.

I'm sure most of them will come back because the love isn't for the owner or the manager or the players, but dor that blue and orange that has its city and which represents their first and true basketball love, but those that decide to really take a long brake or change team, they shouldn't be insulted by other die-hard fans because unfortunately, being a Knicks fan is a challenge that sometimes requires to be ilogical, blind, stubborn and even not think too muxh about reality because its not nice at all. And sometimes a fan says its enough, I gotta open my eyes and see things clearly. Amd when they do see things as they are, logic confronts them and forces them to truly say if theu expect things to change. And then they think, why do I stay, if things never aeem to change?

I believe the Knicks did lose many of their fana tonight. But it wasn't because of Lin being gone. That was just the last drop that filled the glass.

The real Linsanity is that giant plate of Linguini with extra clam sauce in front of Melo's face. I want a t-shirt that reads: "Keeping it Fat" with a face of Melo on it.

I mean think about it. A mediocre owner who has a mediocre team year after year will rely on the "team fan loyalty" guilt trip to try to keep their revenue. That's what Abe Pollin and the Washington Wizards/Bullets did for 20 years till he died.

Knicksfan wrote:I've been reading a lot of forums and comments reacting to this Jeremy Lin news because, as fascinating as the start of "Linsanity" was, its just as interesting to see how people have reacted to a really tough poison pill to swallow (pun intended). The different reactions alone would make for a good investigation on sports psychology, but as a Knicks fan, it hits me deeper. While some fans are putting on their strong, die-hard fan face, others are trully considering jumping ship. After reading a lot, I think die-hard fans have to consider that some of those jumping ship are also die-hard fans that simply had enough.

Its a running joke for sports fans to talk about the "long suffering knicks fans", those poor knowledgeable souls that get to live in the mecca of basketball, yet have endured years of bad management, embarrassing controversies and pretty horrible basketball. New yorkers believe, rightfully so, that they deserve better, but incompetence from the people in command have left them pessimistic about the future, uninterested in the present and even have developed a high sense of sarcasm to avoid the frustration of their team. Even when stars like Melo and Amare were being brought in, optimism didn't grow much from a fan base that has gotten used to suffering and disappointments.

Then something magical happens. A kid who was waived twice and could barely pay his bills came out of nowhere and manned the position most respected in NY, the Point Guard. He does it in the worst situation possible, with NYs main stars sidelined and a crucial stretch that would help define if NY moved to the playoffs or not. Not only that, but the guy did it with such poise and tenacity, it immediately captured the fan base because in a way he represented NY better than the players that were on the team. He represented that line "concrete jungle where dreams are made of, there is nothing you can't do".

To a fan base that has suffered for so long and has lost hope so much that hardly anything would surprise them, this "Linsanity" was such an amazing shot of adrenaline that it even got people that was hibernating be fans once again. The story went global.

How should a fan base react to that all ending abruptly in such an anti-climatic fashion? For all the greatness "linsanity" brought, to end in an ugly contract dispute is really hard to digest. But here is the thing with fans reaction: it isn't just about Lin, but the accumulation of years where management has disregarded them, throwing away millions in dysfunctional teams that were an embarrassment to the city. Now suddenly when the "basketball gods" seemed to grace upon them with a blessing of an amazing story, here again comes management to take it away.

Some fans started rooting for NY because of Lin, and those are expected to be already on their waythat to Houston. But many die- hard fans have discovered with this situation that they aren't immortal fans and that its practically ilogical to root for a team. Whose management always finds a way to damage and take the joy away. Those fans aren't leaving because of Lins departure, but because of the accumulation of lost hope in the actual owners of the Knicks fortunes.

I'm sure most of them will come back because the love isn't for the owner or the manager or the players, but dor that blue and orange that has its city and which represents their first and true basketball love, but those that decide to really take a long brake or change team, they shouldn't be insulted by other die-hard fans because unfortunately, being a Knicks fan is a challenge that sometimes requires to be ilogical, blind, stubborn and even not think too muxh about reality because its not nice at all. And sometimes a fan says its enough, I gotta open my eyes and see things clearly. Amd when they do see things as they are, logic confronts them and forces them to truly say if theu expect things to change. And then they think, why do I stay, if things never aeem to change?

I believe the Knicks did lose many of their fana tonight. But it wasn't because of Lin being gone. That was just the last drop that filled the glass.

I agree if the reports that Lin and his reps were the ones that asked the Rockets to change year 3 of his contract are false. However, if accurate I think your ire should be on Lin and his new agent. If the reports are true about the restructuring of the contract (sources I have seen sighting this are questionable in my opinion) Lin pulled a Boozer on the Knicks. I am hoping the fan base reacts in an educated manner and ignores sensational reporters, Isola, Berman, and guys getting a check that don't care about bball (O'Connor) and focus in on Hahn, Berger, Beck and Wojo when they make their decision about being a fan. I am not sure what to think but I am pretty sure this is business on the Knicks end or Boozer type business on Lin's end. Hahn said Lin wanted to be a Rocket.

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:I've been reading a lot of forums and comments reacting to this Jeremy Lin news because, as fascinating as the start of "Linsanity" was, its just as interesting to see how people have reacted to a really tough poison pill to swallow (pun intended). The different reactions alone would make for a good investigation on sports psychology, but as a Knicks fan, it hits me deeper. While some fans are putting on their strong, die-hard fan face, others are trully considering jumping ship. After reading a lot, I think die-hard fans have to consider that some of those jumping ship are also die-hard fans that simply had enough.

Its a running joke for sports fans to talk about the "long suffering knicks fans", those poor knowledgeable souls that get to live in the mecca of basketball, yet have endured years of bad management, embarrassing controversies and pretty horrible basketball. New yorkers believe, rightfully so, that they deserve better, but incompetence from the people in command have left them pessimistic about the future, uninterested in the present and even have developed a high sense of sarcasm to avoid the frustration of their team. Even when stars like Melo and Amare were being brought in, optimism didn't grow much from a fan base that has gotten used to suffering and disappointments.

Then something magical happens. A kid who was waived twice and could barely pay his bills came out of nowhere and manned the position most respected in NY, the Point Guard. He does it in the worst situation possible, with NYs main stars sidelined and a crucial stretch that would help define if NY moved to the playoffs or not. Not only that, but the guy did it with such poise and tenacity, it immediately captured the fan base because in a way he represented NY better than the players that were on the team. He represented that line "concrete jungle where dreams are made of, there is nothing you can't do".

To a fan base that has suffered for so long and has lost hope so much that hardly anything would surprise them, this "Linsanity" was such an amazing shot of adrenaline that it even got people that was hibernating be fans once again. The story went global.

How should a fan base react to that all ending abruptly in such an anti-climatic fashion? For all the greatness "linsanity" brought, to end in an ugly contract dispute is really hard to digest. But here is the thing with fans reaction: it isn't just about Lin, but the accumulation of years where management has disregarded them, throwing away millions in dysfunctional teams that were an embarrassment to the city. Now suddenly when the "basketball gods" seemed to grace upon them with a blessing of an amazing story, here again comes management to take it away.

Some fans started rooting for NY because of Lin, and those are expected to be already on their waythat to Houston. But many die- hard fans have discovered with this situation that they aren't immortal fans and that its practically ilogical to root for a team. Whose management always finds a way to damage and take the joy away. Those fans aren't leaving because of Lins departure, but because of the accumulation of lost hope in the actual owners of the Knicks fortunes.

I'm sure most of them will come back because the love isn't for the owner or the manager or the players, but dor that blue and orange that has its city and which represents their first and true basketball love, but those that decide to really take a long brake or change team, they shouldn't be insulted by other die-hard fans because unfortunately, being a Knicks fan is a challenge that sometimes requires to be ilogical, blind, stubborn and even not think too muxh about reality because its not nice at all. And sometimes a fan says its enough, I gotta open my eyes and see things clearly. Amd when they do see things as they are, logic confronts them and forces them to truly say if theu expect things to change. And then they think, why do I stay, if things never aeem to change?

I believe the Knicks did lose many of their fana tonight. But it wasn't because of Lin being gone. That was just the last drop that filled the glass.

I agree if the reports that Lin and his reps were the ones that asked the Rockets to change year 3 of his contract are false. However, if accurate I think your ire should be on Lin and his new agent. If the reports are true about the restructuring of the contract (sources I have seen sighting this are questionable in my opinion) Lin pulled a Boozer on the Knicks. I am hoping the fan base reacts in an educated manner and ignores sensational reporters, Isola, Berman, and guys getting a check that don't care about bball (O'Connor) and focus in on Hahn, Berger, Beck and Wojo when they make their decision about being a fan. I am not sure what to think but I am pretty sure this is business on the Knicks end or Boozer type business on Lin's end. Hahn said Lin wanted to be a Rocket.

What reports? Berman and Isola? Nobody else is reporting this claim that Lin "pulled a Boozer" besides them.

JamesKPolk wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:I've been reading a lot of forums and comments reacting to this Jeremy Lin news because, as fascinating as the start of "Linsanity" was, its just as interesting to see how people have reacted to a really tough poison pill to swallow (pun intended). The different reactions alone would make for a good investigation on sports psychology, but as a Knicks fan, it hits me deeper. While some fans are putting on their strong, die-hard fan face, others are trully considering jumping ship. After reading a lot, I think die-hard fans have to consider that some of those jumping ship are also die-hard fans that simply had enough.

Its a running joke for sports fans to talk about the "long suffering knicks fans", those poor knowledgeable souls that get to live in the mecca of basketball, yet have endured years of bad management, embarrassing controversies and pretty horrible basketball. New yorkers believe, rightfully so, that they deserve better, but incompetence from the people in command have left them pessimistic about the future, uninterested in the present and even have developed a high sense of sarcasm to avoid the frustration of their team. Even when stars like Melo and Amare were being brought in, optimism didn't grow much from a fan base that has gotten used to suffering and disappointments.

Then something magical happens. A kid who was waived twice and could barely pay his bills came out of nowhere and manned the position most respected in NY, the Point Guard. He does it in the worst situation possible, with NYs main stars sidelined and a crucial stretch that would help define if NY moved to the playoffs or not. Not only that, but the guy did it with such poise and tenacity, it immediately captured the fan base because in a way he represented NY better than the players that were on the team. He represented that line "concrete jungle where dreams are made of, there is nothing you can't do".

To a fan base that has suffered for so long and has lost hope so much that hardly anything would surprise them, this "Linsanity" was such an amazing shot of adrenaline that it even got people that was hibernating be fans once again. The story went global.

How should a fan base react to that all ending abruptly in such an anti-climatic fashion? For all the greatness "linsanity" brought, to end in an ugly contract dispute is really hard to digest. But here is the thing with fans reaction: it isn't just about Lin, but the accumulation of years where management has disregarded them, throwing away millions in dysfunctional teams that were an embarrassment to the city. Now suddenly when the "basketball gods" seemed to grace upon them with a blessing of an amazing story, here again comes management to take it away.

Some fans started rooting for NY because of Lin, and those are expected to be already on their waythat to Houston. But many die- hard fans have discovered with this situation that they aren't immortal fans and that its practically ilogical to root for a team. Whose management always finds a way to damage and take the joy away. Those fans aren't leaving because of Lins departure, but because of the accumulation of lost hope in the actual owners of the Knicks fortunes.

I'm sure most of them will come back because the love isn't for the owner or the manager or the players, but dor that blue and orange that has its city and which represents their first and true basketball love, but those that decide to really take a long brake or change team, they shouldn't be insulted by other die-hard fans because unfortunately, being a Knicks fan is a challenge that sometimes requires to be ilogical, blind, stubborn and even not think too muxh about reality because its not nice at all. And sometimes a fan says its enough, I gotta open my eyes and see things clearly. Amd when they do see things as they are, logic confronts them and forces them to truly say if theu expect things to change. And then they think, why do I stay, if things never aeem to change?

I believe the Knicks did lose many of their fana tonight. But it wasn't because of Lin being gone. That was just the last drop that filled the glass.

I agree if the reports that Lin and his reps were the ones that asked the Rockets to change year 3 of his contract are false. However, if accurate I think your ire should be on Lin and his new agent. If the reports are true about the restructuring of the contract (sources I have seen sighting this are questionable in my opinion) Lin pulled a Boozer on the Knicks. I am hoping the fan base reacts in an educated manner and ignores sensational reporters, Isola, Berman, and guys getting a check that don't care about bball (O'Connor) and focus in on Hahn, Berger, Beck and Wojo when they make their decision about being a fan. I am not sure what to think but I am pretty sure this is business on the Knicks end or Boozer type business on Lin's end. Hahn said Lin wanted to be a Rocket.

What reports? Berman and Isola? Nobody else is reporting this claim that Lin "pulled a Boozer" besides them.

I am pretty sure that I was clear that I questioned the sources credibility. I tried to bold it but I am on my iPod and it isn't coming up that way.

Syniko wrote:The real Linsanity is that giant plate of Linguini with extra clam sauce in front of Melo's face. I want a t-shirt that reads: "Keeping it Fat" with a face of Melo on it.

hate Melo and love Lin but, tell me who did Lin make better besides Novak and I think he (Novak) would have shined regardless once he got playing time. He didn't make the game easier for Amare or really anyone else. He didn't raise anyone's game but his own. I like the Kid but we need a point guard who makes those around him better or, at least gets easy shots for others. Unless you were a 3point bomber, you weren't going to look good playing with Lin. Sure, dude was good for 25points in Mikes offense which pads your stat (something guys here have been saying for years).

I hope he loves it out west because he's going to see the A+ game of some of the best guards in the league and, he better learn to go left.

CrushAlot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:I've been reading a lot of forums and comments reacting to this Jeremy Lin news because, as fascinating as the start of "Linsanity" was, its just as interesting to see how people have reacted to a really tough poison pill to swallow (pun intended). The different reactions alone would make for a good investigation on sports psychology, but as a Knicks fan, it hits me deeper. While some fans are putting on their strong, die-hard fan face, others are trully considering jumping ship. After reading a lot, I think die-hard fans have to consider that some of those jumping ship are also die-hard fans that simply had enough.

Its a running joke for sports fans to talk about the "long suffering knicks fans", those poor knowledgeable souls that get to live in the mecca of basketball, yet have endured years of bad management, embarrassing controversies and pretty horrible basketball. New yorkers believe, rightfully so, that they deserve better, but incompetence from the people in command have left them pessimistic about the future, uninterested in the present and even have developed a high sense of sarcasm to avoid the frustration of their team. Even when stars like Melo and Amare were being brought in, optimism didn't grow much from a fan base that has gotten used to suffering and disappointments.

Then something magical happens. A kid who was waived twice and could barely pay his bills came out of nowhere and manned the position most respected in NY, the Point Guard. He does it in the worst situation possible, with NYs main stars sidelined and a crucial stretch that would help define if NY moved to the playoffs or not. Not only that, but the guy did it with such poise and tenacity, it immediately captured the fan base because in a way he represented NY better than the players that were on the team. He represented that line "concrete jungle where dreams are made of, there is nothing you can't do".

To a fan base that has suffered for so long and has lost hope so much that hardly anything would surprise them, this "Linsanity" was such an amazing shot of adrenaline that it even got people that was hibernating be fans once again. The story went global.

How should a fan base react to that all ending abruptly in such an anti-climatic fashion? For all the greatness "linsanity" brought, to end in an ugly contract dispute is really hard to digest. But here is the thing with fans reaction: it isn't just about Lin, but the accumulation of years where management has disregarded them, throwing away millions in dysfunctional teams that were an embarrassment to the city. Now suddenly when the "basketball gods" seemed to grace upon them with a blessing of an amazing story, here again comes management to take it away.

Some fans started rooting for NY because of Lin, and those are expected to be already on their waythat to Houston. But many die- hard fans have discovered with this situation that they aren't immortal fans and that its practically ilogical to root for a team. Whose management always finds a way to damage and take the joy away. Those fans aren't leaving because of Lins departure, but because of the accumulation of lost hope in the actual owners of the Knicks fortunes.

I'm sure most of them will come back because the love isn't for the owner or the manager or the players, but dor that blue and orange that has its city and which represents their first and true basketball love, but those that decide to really take a long brake or change team, they shouldn't be insulted by other die-hard fans because unfortunately, being a Knicks fan is a challenge that sometimes requires to be ilogical, blind, stubborn and even not think too muxh about reality because its not nice at all. And sometimes a fan says its enough, I gotta open my eyes and see things clearly. Amd when they do see things as they are, logic confronts them and forces them to truly say if theu expect things to change. And then they think, why do I stay, if things never aeem to change?

I believe the Knicks did lose many of their fana tonight. But it wasn't because of Lin being gone. That was just the last drop that filled the glass.

I agree if the reports that Lin and his reps were the ones that asked the Rockets to change year 3 of his contract are false. However, if accurate I think your ire should be on Lin and his new agent. If the reports are true about the restructuring of the contract (sources I have seen sighting this are questionable in my opinion) Lin pulled a Boozer on the Knicks. I am hoping the fan base reacts in an educated manner and ignores sensational reporters, Isola, Berman, and guys getting a check that don't care about bball (O'Connor) and focus in on Hahn, Berger, Beck and Wojo when they make their decision about being a fan. I am not sure what to think but I am pretty sure this is business on the Knicks end or Boozer type business on Lin's end. Hahn said Lin wanted to be a Rocket.

What reports? Berman and Isola? Nobody else is reporting this claim that Lin "pulled a Boozer" besides them.

I am pretty sure that I was clear that I questioned the sources credibility. I tried to bold it but I am on my iPod and it isn't coming up that way.

And we should be upset that Lin went and got more money?

I thought the first offer he got from Houston was lame. We all expected he would get this kind of deal. In fact, couldn't he have gotten a bigger one?

So, the Knicks are pissed that Lin and his agent got a better deal?

What, are they not in business themselves? Have they never tried to get a better deal, like when the Cablevision folks dropped ABC because ABC wanted better rebroadcast money?

Lin and Boozer... nothing alike. Boozer's option was not picked up by Cle in understanding that he would sign a new longer contract w/ Cle. Instead he went to Jazz, so he tricked them into making him a FA.

I dont blame Lin for not wanting to be here. Good career move. Go find a coach who knows how run an offense with a real organization

Coaches Do Not Run Offenses. They Write Diagrams.

fishmike - Go find a coach who knows how run an offense with a real organization

Coaches prod. Fans complain. Players play.

Just Win Baby

Maybe not in sheer time but to dump your team over 1 player is pretty weak. Ive been a Knick fan my whole life. Watching all my friends celebrate Bulls victories over the Knicks when Chicago is 1000's of miles of away disgusted me. Now Im seeing it with the Heat and Im sure the Lakers bandwagon will be full again this year. The Knicks are the only team Ive never see win and im sure its the same for many others as well. Despite what many of U seem to believe I think this team is pretty good. I think its a much better team then last year that opened the season. A lot of U point to the early part of the 2011 season and say thats how this team is going to look. I think thats an unfair comparison. Tony Douglas was the worst player in the NBA and Shumpert is not a PG. To act like Kidd and Felton will be anywhere near as bad as that is not being fair or realistic. At worst we have 2 Baron Davis's and I think they are both better then him. For better or for worse this team is on the backs of Amare and Melo not really Chandler im confident I know what we will get from him. A lot of U keep judging a team that has had barely any practice time at all together. For those jumping ship now I ask U to give them the first 20 games at least. See how this group looks after a training camp. If they are as putrid as U say then I can understand if u want to walk. At least give this group and this philosophy a chance.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Syniko wrote:The real Linsanity is that giant plate of Linguini with extra clam sauce in front of Melo's face. I want a t-shirt that reads: "Keeping it Fat" with a face of Melo on it.

hate Melo and love Lin but, tell me who did Lin make better besides Novak and I think he (Novak) would have shined regardless once he got playing time. He didn't make the game easier for Amare or really anyone else. He didn't raise anyone's game but his own. I like the Kid but we need a point guard who makes those around him better or, at least gets easy shots for others. Unless you were a 3point bomber, you weren't going to look good playing with Lin. Sure, dude was good for 25points in Mikes offense which pads your stat (something guys here have been saying for years).

I hope he loves it out west because he's going to see the A+ game of some of the best guards in the league and, he better learn to go left.

Novak
Jared Jeffries
Tyson Chandler
Landry Fields
Iman shumpert
Heck even JR Smith got a little

Amare and Melo hardly played while Lin was on his tear. Im not sure how Knick fans are not remembering this stuff.

Knicksfan wrote:I've been reading a lot of forums and comments reacting to this Jeremy Lin news because, as fascinating as the start of "Linsanity" was, its just as interesting to see how people have reacted to a really tough poison pill to swallow (pun intended). The different reactions alone would make for a good investigation on sports psychology, but as a Knicks fan, it hits me deeper. While some fans are putting on their strong, die-hard fan face, others are trully considering jumping ship. After reading a lot, I think die-hard fans have to consider that some of those jumping ship are also die-hard fans that simply had enough.

Its a running joke for sports fans to talk about the "long suffering knicks fans", those poor knowledgeable souls that get to live in the mecca of basketball, yet have endured years of bad management, embarrassing controversies and pretty horrible basketball. New yorkers believe, rightfully so, that they deserve better, but incompetence from the people in command have left them pessimistic about the future, uninterested in the present and even have developed a high sense of sarcasm to avoid the frustration of their team. Even when stars like Melo and Amare were being brought in, optimism didn't grow much from a fan base that has gotten used to suffering and disappointments.

Then something magical happens. A kid who was waived twice and could barely pay his bills came out of nowhere and manned the position most respected in NY, the Point Guard. He does it in the worst situation possible, with NYs main stars sidelined and a crucial stretch that would help define if NY moved to the playoffs or not. Not only that, but the guy did it with such poise and tenacity, it immediately captured the fan base because in a way he represented NY better than the players that were on the team. He represented that line "concrete jungle where dreams are made of, there is nothing you can't do".

To a fan base that has suffered for so long and has lost hope so much that hardly anything would surprise them, this "Linsanity" was such an amazing shot of adrenaline that it even got people that was hibernating be fans once again. The story went global.

How should a fan base react to that all ending abruptly in such an anti-climatic fashion? For all the greatness "linsanity" brought, to end in an ugly contract dispute is really hard to digest. But here is the thing with fans reaction: it isn't just about Lin, but the accumulation of years where management has disregarded them, throwing away millions in dysfunctional teams that were an embarrassment to the city. Now suddenly when the "basketball gods" seemed to grace upon them with a blessing of an amazing story, here again comes management to take it away.

Some fans started rooting for NY because of Lin, and those are expected to be already on their waythat to Houston. But many die- hard fans have discovered with this situation that they aren't immortal fans and that its practically ilogical to root for a team. Whose management always finds a way to damage and take the joy away. Those fans aren't leaving because of Lins departure, but because of the accumulation of lost hope in the actual owners of the Knicks fortunes.

I'm sure most of them will come back because the love isn't for the owner or the manager or the players, but dor that blue and orange that has its city and which represents their first and true basketball love, but those that decide to really take a long brake or change team, they shouldn't be insulted by other die-hard fans because unfortunately, being a Knicks fan is a challenge that sometimes requires to be ilogical, blind, stubborn and even not think too muxh about reality because its not nice at all. And sometimes a fan says its enough, I gotta open my eyes and see things clearly. Amd when they do see things as they are, logic confronts them and forces them to truly say if theu expect things to change. And then they think, why do I stay, if things never aeem to change?

I believe the Knicks did lose many of their fana tonight. But it wasn't because of Lin being gone. That was just the last drop that filled the glass.

Great post. Last night was the darkest night of my knicks fandom since Game 7 1994. And at least when Starks went 2-18 he was TRYING TO WIN. It's a sickening feeling. While I think I'll always be a fan - I know I can't root for another team - Dolan is doing his best to kill my interest. Lin wasn't a bandwagon phenomenon for me. He felt like the gift Knicks fans had been waiting for and deserved for years and years. And Dolan gave him away - forced him away. Anyway, it'll be a long summer. I hope I feel excited about the team in the fall.

subzero0 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Syniko wrote:The real Linsanity is that giant plate of Linguini with extra clam sauce in front of Melo's face. I want a t-shirt that reads: "Keeping it Fat" with a face of Melo on it.

hate Melo and love Lin but, tell me who did Lin make better besides Novak and I think he (Novak) would have shined regardless once he got playing time. He didn't make the game easier for Amare or really anyone else. He didn't raise anyone's game but his own. I like the Kid but we need a point guard who makes those around him better or, at least gets easy shots for others. Unless you were a 3point bomber, you weren't going to look good playing with Lin. Sure, dude was good for 25points in Mikes offense which pads your stat (something guys here have been saying for years).

I hope he loves it out west because he's going to see the A+ game of some of the best guards in the league and, he better learn to go left.

Novak
Jared Jeffries
Tyson Chandler
Landry Fields
Iman shumpert
Heck even JR Smith got a little

Amare and Melo hardly played while Lin was on his tear. Im not sure how Knick fans are not remembering this stuff.

+1

It's amazing how quickly it's all forgotten. One of the best stretches of play from any Knicks player of the last 12 years and Stephen A says it didn't happen so it didn't happen.

thats the thing... the basketball gods delivered us an undeserved gift. A young playmaking PG who galvanizes a listless team. A guy who isnt a hot head, who deflects praise to teammates and owns all the blame for every mistake and loss. MSG poops money, we have paid people more to stay away (Larry, Isiah, MArbs, etc etc) then it would have cost to keep Lin.

Lin was too big. A Lin-led team that was winning could not be controlled by Dolan and you cant have that. Its not about winning a title or making the team better, its about making the playoffs and having corporate yes men.

misterearl wrote:Coaches Do Not Run Offenses. They Write Diagrams.

fishmike - Go find a coach who knows how run an offense with a real organization

Coaches prod. Fans complain. Players play.

Just Win Baby

This move isn't about winning, either now or in the future. It's straight up about Dolan's ego and that's why so many of us are so pissed off.

subzero0 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Syniko wrote:The real Linsanity is that giant plate of Linguini with extra clam sauce in front of Melo's face. I want a t-shirt that reads: "Keeping it Fat" with a face of Melo on it.

hate Melo and love Lin but, tell me who did Lin make better besides Novak and I think he (Novak) would have shined regardless once he got playing time. He didn't make the game easier for Amare or really anyone else. He didn't raise anyone's game but his own. I like the Kid but we need a point guard who makes those around him better or, at least gets easy shots for others. Unless you were a 3point bomber, you weren't going to look good playing with Lin. Sure, dude was good for 25points in Mikes offense which pads your stat (something guys here have been saying for years).

I hope he loves it out west because he's going to see the A+ game of some of the best guards in the league and, he better learn to go left.

Novak
Jared Jeffries
Tyson Chandler
Landry Fields
Iman shumpert
Heck even JR Smith got a little

Amare and Melo hardly played while Lin was on his tear. Im not sure how Knick fans are not remembering this stuff.

I think thats the problem that the Knicks have. Lin needs to control the ball completly in order for him to work. they dont want to play Dantoni ball anymore. So your left with a player that cant defend and has a below average Jump shot for an extra 50 million dollars. Im not saying Lin isnt a nice player but for this Knick team he isnt going to worth whjat they are dishing out

VCoug wrote:

misterearl wrote:Coaches Do Not Run Offenses. They Write Diagrams.

fishmike - Go find a coach who knows how run an offense with a real organization

Coaches prod. Fans complain. Players play.

Just Win Baby

This move isn't about winning, either now or in the future. It's straight up about Dolan's ego and that's why so many of us are so pissed off.

exactly. We downgraded PG and let our best prospect walk for nothing. Not much else to say

subzero0 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Syniko wrote:The real Linsanity is that giant plate of Linguini with extra clam sauce in front of Melo's face. I want a t-shirt that reads: "Keeping it Fat" with a face of Melo on it.

hate Melo and love Lin but, tell me who did Lin make better besides Novak and I think he (Novak) would have shined regardless once he got playing time. He didn't make the game easier for Amare or really anyone else. He didn't raise anyone's game but his own. I like the Kid but we need a point guard who makes those around him better or, at least gets easy shots for others. Unless you were a 3point bomber, you weren't going to look good playing with Lin. Sure, dude was good for 25points in Mikes offense which pads your stat (something guys here have been saying for years).

I hope he loves it out west because he's going to see the A+ game of some of the best guards in the league and, he better learn to go left.

Novak
Jared Jeffries
Tyson Chandler
Landry Fields
Iman shumpert
Heck even JR Smith got a little

Amare and Melo hardly played while Lin was on his tear. Im not sure how Knick fans are not remembering this stuff.

how did he make the game easier for Imam. If anything, Imam made it easier for him and Landry was putrid with and without Lin so, I don't agree there.

As for Tyson, everyone was looking for him and tossing oops for him. Melo, Davis, Imam, so you can't say Lin made him better. Jared, I will give you that one.

About six months from now, we'll be talking about some real stars like Chanler Parsons and Royce White. Who? Some will say they were already star-caliber and it wasn't due to Jeremy. You can never win against some of our genius Knick fans.

crzymdups wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Syniko wrote:The real Linsanity is that giant plate of Linguini with extra clam sauce in front of Melo's face. I want a t-shirt that reads: "Keeping it Fat" with a face of Melo on it.

hate Melo and love Lin but, tell me who did Lin make better besides Novak and I think he (Novak) would have shined regardless once he got playing time. He didn't make the game easier for Amare or really anyone else. He didn't raise anyone's game but his own. I like the Kid but we need a point guard who makes those around him better or, at least gets easy shots for others. Unless you were a 3point bomber, you weren't going to look good playing with Lin. Sure, dude was good for 25points in Mikes offense which pads your stat (something guys here have been saying for years).

I hope he loves it out west because he's going to see the A+ game of some of the best guards in the league and, he better learn to go left.

Novak
Jared Jeffries
Tyson Chandler
Landry Fields
Iman shumpert
Heck even JR Smith got a little

Amare and Melo hardly played while Lin was on his tear. Im not sure how Knick fans are not remembering this stuff.

+1

It's amazing how quickly it's all forgotten. One of the best stretches of play from any Knicks player of the last 12 years and Stephen A says it didn't happen so it didn't happen.

Yea , we could have won it all with that line up.