As i've said in my Old School Knicks thread, this team is not designed for dynamic scoring. This is gonna be more like an old Pistons team with Billups, Rip, Prince, Rasheed and Ben. This team is made for low scoring games. Assuming Felton, Brewer, Melo, STAT and Tyson you can see that this team is going to have to really dig in on D, cuz we don't have a strong shooting backcourt. Woody is gonna have to really be more creative than he's shown in the past, but overall this team is designed to stop people. Especially given the bench we now have.
we need a perimeter defender so its a move that had to be made while shump is out. I just hope JR has a good year shooting percentage wise. We all know he is streaky but im hoping for him to be more consistent which will help us bigtime
AnubisADL wrote:This slides JR Smith to the 6th man role where he excelled. I like this move.
+1
can he shoot?
earthmansurfer wrote:Great pickup. Look at our roster though:PG - Felton, Kidd, Pablo
SG - Brewer, Smith, Shump
SF - Melo, Novak, White
PF - Stat, Kurt, Copeland
C - Chandler, Camby
Melo and Stat are clearly our two reliable scorers. JR is hot and cold, can't really depend on him if one of the two before mentioned go down. Novak - great shooter but can't create at all.
So, really, we have 1 great scorer in Melo and a pretty good one in Stat. When the playoffs come, the question is "Can our defense (which appears to be great) be enough to overcome the Heats big 3"? This is why I was so against letting Lin go.
Copeland and White might be the wild cards for us. I think we do INCREDIBLE in the regular season, just no so sure about how we stack up against Miami and OKC. We see what they got, both got a big 3, in a sense. We have a big 2, sort of. I feel Lin could have been that missing piece for us.
In my opinion....Felton is a better fit than Lin for this offense. It's not even close. 2-3 yrs down the road, it might be different. But the Knicks are always about the here and now. Chasing that championship. From the fans to the owners....We are very impatient, and can't wait for the young guns to grow, unless they show initial star promise like Shump.....Who has potential on both ends. Lin only impacts one side of the court, without any stars on the floor, in the right system. Felton is solid, when healthy, motivated and in game shape. Everybody on this team will be motivated to win now!
blkexec wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Great pickup. Look at our roster though:PG - Felton, Kidd, Pablo
SG - Brewer, Smith, Shump
SF - Melo, Novak, White
PF - Stat, Kurt, Copeland
C - Chandler, Camby
Melo and Stat are clearly our two reliable scorers. JR is hot and cold, can't really depend on him if one of the two before mentioned go down. Novak - great shooter but can't create at all.
So, really, we have 1 great scorer in Melo and a pretty good one in Stat. When the playoffs come, the question is "Can our defense (which appears to be great) be enough to overcome the Heats big 3"? This is why I was so against letting Lin go.
Copeland and White might be the wild cards for us. I think we do INCREDIBLE in the regular season, just no so sure about how we stack up against Miami and OKC. We see what they got, both got a big 3, in a sense. We have a big 2, sort of. I feel Lin could have been that missing piece for us.
In my opinion....Felton is a better fit than Lin for this offense. It's not even close. 2-3 yrs down the road, it might be different. But the Knicks are always about the here and now. Chasing that championship. From the fans to the owners....We are very impatient, and can't wait for the young guns to grow, unless they show initial star promise like Shump.....Who has potential on both ends. Lin only impacts one side of the court, without any stars on the floor, in the right system. Felton is solid, when healthy, motivated and in game shape. Everybody on this team will be motivated to win now!
i dont mind taht they decided on felton instead of lin. My only problem is taht they gave him away for nothing. I mean we probably could have gotten at least a decent draft pick back
RonRon wrote:Brewer is a upgrade over Fields at SG.
He doesn't have the a great shot to spread the floor, but he plays solid defense.
He cuts well, is a smart player, plays team ball, makes good cuts, knows his role, and would be our starter in our current lineup.
Brewer is still young and would fit in well with the starting lineup with his defense, and his smarts/BB IQ, cuts well, ability to finish, and would fit in with Kidd/Pablo.Iman Shumpert will unlikely be back healthy in NBA shape till LATE season, possibly not in the same shape and a few steps back from what we saw of Iman last season.
Brewer buys us time for Iman to heal and FITs in well with coach Woodson's priority of DEFENSE as a good team defender and solid 1v1 defender at the SG and sometimes SF as well.
Yeah, Brewer gives us a lot of the same things Landry gave us, except he is much cheaper. I'm surprised at how good a passer he is. Brewer is much better passer than I realized and he doesn't turn the rock over that much. I wished he fixed that ugly jumper, but we probably wouldn't have been able to sign if he did.
I like that we've gone after defensive players this offseason, nice to be rid of the Dantoni days. I can't remember much about how Brewer plays, but is it fair to say he's kind of similar to Shump?
Hmm, so who do we sign for our last roster spot? Maybe Shawne Williams- he can play PF and SF, won't demand minutes due to sucking last year, and may be able to regain his 3pt shot.
I could see UtahJazz Brewer keeping Shumps on the bench. That Brewer was pretty much what Shump shoukd be working to be as a 2guard(with a better shot).
Jason Kidd at 2guard should be put to bed with Brewer and Shumps coming back. Worst case Brewer is coming of the bench with JR as the backup 2/3's. Best case Brewer is playing well as the starting 2guard and Shumps brings some extra energy to the second unit.
Ronnie Brewer's twitter:
Ronnie Brewer: New York Knicks lets get it!!! about 1 hour ago
Ronnie Brewer: S/0 to Chicago the city, fans, and players. The organization was great and everyone I've come across as well. On to the next chapter. about 1 hour ago
Ronnie Brewer: God works in mysterious ways. He closes one door, but opens a window of opportunity. about 1 hour ago
IrishKnickFan wrote:blkexec wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Great pickup. Look at our roster though:PG - Felton, Kidd, Pablo
SG - Brewer, Smith, Shump
SF - Melo, Novak, White
PF - Stat, Kurt, Copeland
C - Chandler, Camby
Melo and Stat are clearly our two reliable scorers. JR is hot and cold, can't really depend on him if one of the two before mentioned go down. Novak - great shooter but can't create at all.
So, really, we have 1 great scorer in Melo and a pretty good one in Stat. When the playoffs come, the question is "Can our defense (which appears to be great) be enough to overcome the Heats big 3"? This is why I was so against letting Lin go.
Copeland and White might be the wild cards for us. I think we do INCREDIBLE in the regular season, just no so sure about how we stack up against Miami and OKC. We see what they got, both got a big 3, in a sense. We have a big 2, sort of. I feel Lin could have been that missing piece for us.
In my opinion....Felton is a better fit than Lin for this offense. It's not even close. 2-3 yrs down the road, it might be different. But the Knicks are always about the here and now. Chasing that championship. From the fans to the owners....We are very impatient, and can't wait for the young guns to grow, unless they show initial star promise like Shump.....Who has potential on both ends. Lin only impacts one side of the court, without any stars on the floor, in the right system. Felton is solid, when healthy, motivated and in game shape. Everybody on this team will be motivated to win now!
i dont mind taht they decided on felton instead of lin. My only problem is taht they gave him away for nothing. I mean we probably could have gotten at least a decent draft pick back
how?
Agree with everyone, good pick up. Always liked Brewer and remember wanting the Knicks to draft him but I think he was drafted too early, end of the lottery if I recall correctly? I watched him his first few years always expecting him to break out but he never did, well at least not how I thought he would. He was good on the Bulls but wasn't what they needed from their shooting guard offensively, then I think he lost his starting spot to some bum, can't remember his name. In any case, I think his role is perfect for the Knicks and like someone else said he won't cause any drama when he has to take a backseat when Shump returns but he'll remain ready when called on.
Anji wrote:I could see UtahJazz Brewer keeping Shumps on the bench. That Brewer was pretty much what Shump shoukd be working to be as a 2guard(with a better shot).Jason Kidd at 2guard should be put to bed with Brewer and Shumps coming back. Worst case Brewer is coming of the bench with JR as the backup 2/3's. Best case Brewer is playing well as the starting 2guard and Shumps brings some extra energy to the second unit.
Yeah, I can see Brewer starting all season....It's only going to help Shump in so many ways. He needs time to heal, plus he has a few defensive guards (Brewer, Kidd) to learn from, which will help his entire career.
Also, Smith said it on TV, he wants to play with Kidd....Well, now we have the perfect storm coming off the bench....Kidd and Smith in the back court. Don't sleep on Kidds outside shot....As well as Camby and Kurt.
Somebody said this is the old Pistons team....I disagree. I think this is a well balanced team of offense and deffense....More offense than the old Knicks and Piston teams....with Similar defensive IQ players.
The Answer Man Makes Every Minute Count
Q.
blkexec wrote:
The only problem I see now is playing time....How will the minutes be distributed?PG - Felton, Kidd, Pablo
SG - Brewer, Smith, Shump
SF - Melo, Novak, White
PF - Stat, Kurt, Copeland
C - Chandler, Camby
10 man rotation, with the following riding the pine? (Pablo, Shump, White, Copeland)
A. Exactly.
If Mike Woodson is allergic to yoots, expect White and Copeland only to see light during emergencies. Shump is out as long as Derek Rose (March) and Pablo is insurance against Jason Kidd breaking down. Elders Kurt Thomas, Jason Kidd and Marcus Camby (12 minutes max) are on a pitch count.
nixluva wrote:As i've said in my Old School Knicks thread, this team is not designed for dynamic scoring. This is gonna be more like an old Pistons team with Billups, Rip, Prince, Rasheed and Ben. This team is made for low scoring games. Assuming Felton, Brewer, Melo, STAT and Tyson you can see that this team is going to have to really dig in on D, cuz we don't have a strong shooting backcourt. Woody is gonna have to really be more creative than he's shown in the past, but overall this team is designed to stop people. Especially given the bench we now have.
You keep saying this is a bad offensive team but it's just your opinion based off of no proof. Is Felton and Brewer a little worse than Fields and Lin? Yes to Lin but really Brewer is a better offensive scorer if you take out 3 point shooting and a better defensive player. Unlike last year Novak and Smith will play a full year and if Smith has a normal season he then will become one of the best 3 pt shooter in the game. On top of that Melo and Amar'e are on a mission this off season. SO that may help. Just not having to play Douglas, Davis, and Bibby is an upgrade to our offense. On top of that in the month of April without Lin the team put up better offensive numbers. It is amazing what this team will look like when the turnovers are low.
Yes I would rather have Lin but this notion of being a bad offensive team is off based.
yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:As i've said in my Old School Knicks thread, this team is not designed for dynamic scoring. This is gonna be more like an old Pistons team with Billups, Rip, Prince, Rasheed and Ben. This team is made for low scoring games. Assuming Felton, Brewer, Melo, STAT and Tyson you can see that this team is going to have to really dig in on D, cuz we don't have a strong shooting backcourt. Woody is gonna have to really be more creative than he's shown in the past, but overall this team is designed to stop people. Especially given the bench we now have.
You keep saying this is a bad offensive team but it's just your opinion based off of no proof. Is Felton and Brewer a little worse than Fields and Lin? Yes to Lin but really Brewer is a better offensive scorer if you take out 3 point shooting and a better defensive player. Unlike last year Novak and Smith will play a full year and if Smith has a normal season he then will become one of the best 3 pt shooter in the game. On top of that Melo and Amar'e are on a mission this off season. SO that may help. Just not having to play Douglas, Davis, and Bibby is an upgrade to our offense. On top of that in the month of April without Lin the team put up better offensive numbers. It is amazing what this team will look like when the turnovers are low.
Yes I would rather have Lin but this notion of being a bad offensive team is off based.
i think you misinterpreted what nix was saying and his bigger point: Nix never said this was a bad offensive team but rather is was not designed for dynamic scoring, and further, it's a half court team that starts with defense.
martin wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:As i've said in my Old School Knicks thread, this team is not designed for dynamic scoring. This is gonna be more like an old Pistons team with Billups, Rip, Prince, Rasheed and Ben. This team is made for low scoring games. Assuming Felton, Brewer, Melo, STAT and Tyson you can see that this team is going to have to really dig in on D, cuz we don't have a strong shooting backcourt. Woody is gonna have to really be more creative than he's shown in the past, but overall this team is designed to stop people. Especially given the bench we now have.
You keep saying this is a bad offensive team but it's just your opinion based off of no proof. Is Felton and Brewer a little worse than Fields and Lin? Yes to Lin but really Brewer is a better offensive scorer if you take out 3 point shooting and a better defensive player. Unlike last year Novak and Smith will play a full year and if Smith has a normal season he then will become one of the best 3 pt shooter in the game. On top of that Melo and Amar'e are on a mission this off season. SO that may help. Just not having to play Douglas, Davis, and Bibby is an upgrade to our offense. On top of that in the month of April without Lin the team put up better offensive numbers. It is amazing what this team will look like when the turnovers are low.
Yes I would rather have Lin but this notion of being a bad offensive team is off based.
i think you misinterpreted what nix was saying and his bigger point: Nix never said this was a bad offensive team but rather is was not designed for dynamic scoring, and further, it's a half court team that starts with defense.
I know what he is saying that but Felton is an up and down PG and really good defense creates more transition so on top of the efficient half court play the Knicks may have more easier baskets this year. NO one knows what style of play Woodson will install(offensively) my whole point is not to assume any thing. This is a different team than the one he had with ATL.
Another thing Felton is a better 3 pt shooter so that will help space the floor. He had two poor 3 pt shooting in year 2 and 3 in Cha but has been good not great since then.
Don't look now but our Knicks bring back only six players from last season.
Anthony. Chandler. Stoudemire. Novak. Smith. (Shumpert).
Deep.
What This Means:
No one knows the playing personality of this crew until the ball racks are rolled out.
knicks1248 wrote:IrishKnickFan wrote:blkexec wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Great pickup. Look at our roster though:PG - Felton, Kidd, Pablo
SG - Brewer, Smith, Shump
SF - Melo, Novak, White
PF - Stat, Kurt, Copeland
C - Chandler, Camby
Melo and Stat are clearly our two reliable scorers. JR is hot and cold, can't really depend on him if one of the two before mentioned go down. Novak - great shooter but can't create at all.
So, really, we have 1 great scorer in Melo and a pretty good one in Stat. When the playoffs come, the question is "Can our defense (which appears to be great) be enough to overcome the Heats big 3"? This is why I was so against letting Lin go.
Copeland and White might be the wild cards for us. I think we do INCREDIBLE in the regular season, just no so sure about how we stack up against Miami and OKC. We see what they got, both got a big 3, in a sense. We have a big 2, sort of. I feel Lin could have been that missing piece for us.
In my opinion....Felton is a better fit than Lin for this offense. It's not even close. 2-3 yrs down the road, it might be different. But the Knicks are always about the here and now. Chasing that championship. From the fans to the owners....We are very impatient, and can't wait for the young guns to grow, unless they show initial star promise like Shump.....Who has potential on both ends. Lin only impacts one side of the court, without any stars on the floor, in the right system. Felton is solid, when healthy, motivated and in game shape. Everybody on this team will be motivated to win now!
i dont mind taht they decided on felton instead of lin. My only problem is taht they gave him away for nothing. I mean we probably could have gotten at least a decent draft pick back
how?
We would have to sign him and then after Feb (forget the date) he is tradeable with his permission. I think we could have traded him anytime after the first year of his contract. I think it is reasonable to say, that he would nab us a very very nice pick, at the least.
good work Glen. Keep your head up, ignore the haters and keep doing the good work I am coming to expect from you. Your building a team of guys that put in work on both sides of the floor.
Good move, I approve another Defender 1st type guy with experience and he'll help Knicks age situation cause he aint too old & in good shape.
Can plaster JR back to bench and he's better at coming into games. Plus Brewer wont gripe too
much at being or not being in end of games.
Brewer should start & will not be liability with the ball. He also has improved a bit his offense each yr.
Can shoot better than he used to & peoples give him credit for
Team player
Q/A ? for real Knick fans
Whom was Ronnie Brewer NBA dad whom played lot
of seasons ? Eh ?
Give yo self another point if you knew his dad's NBA/teams
I wonder if Bonn is happy or at least a little at ease with Brewer here no that Fields is gone.
Also, I love that Brewer has a high steal and low turnover rate. I like a wing that does not turn the ball over. Last year both the Knicks main Pgs avg 5 TOs a game per 36. I do not know what Douglas did even though mosts stats would rank him as one of the worst player in the league last year.
This team is deep.
Side note: Brewer at Vet min over Landry contract.
