Knicks · Face facts & quoting Danny Ainge on R.Allen leaving ..Jeremy Lin Left the Knicks not vice versa (page 1)

Jeremy Lin stood to make more than just $5 mil few more or so with Rockets than Knicks initial offer sheet

You have a boss at MSG whom sports NY hates but players love working for & checks $$$ he writes.
Why not ? use Mr Dolan for business interests and connections for the Lin product/logo/brand ?
At my employers we all dont have to love our boss but we try to make $$$ and a name for yourself.

If you believe for a bitty second that NY area outside of Dolan, shareholders OR even MSG owners could not have made up
the pitty-patty differences of a screwy $Contract revisions if J.Lin allowed Knicks to work with him better for fortunes
not just for Knicks but for Jeremy's future well, We've been had by a HARVARD Grad.

For 25 games played and unfortunate injury Lin took himself w/advice out of USA, out of the City of Big Apple,
took himself to ESPY's awards shows and spend other times traveling back & forth meeting Rockets & in other cities

All in all Jeremy Lin Left the Knickerbockers. Plain and simple for a guy whom done well & got not only help from Knicks org.
and opportunity but also got fans to push his rise to a point of being selected in 2012 NBA Allstar festivities

And you'd think Jeremy would give Knicks a benefit of doubt at some point in negoitations or better attempts to stay with a team
whom never ever ever said they wanted to lose Lin. So Lin Left them!

He Left them flat, he left folks talking more about Lin, Linsanity, Stock/drops at MSG and more even chatter than the USA Mens
world team playing now , focus on NBA FA tasks all were superceded by Jesus-Jeremey Lin just the way his crappy agent planned it
out.

Now Lin still in the news about his chats & tweets about "I was too much consumed with Linsanity" !
Please brother gimme a FL___cking break Jeremy ! ! ! The strange thought by you is reason yourself and buddy Landry played
your ass_sses Out of one of the best Cities you ever been in embraced in. In Fields Case I Like him but at least Landry got
the dough $$$ money and ya know what ? He wasn't even any freaking good !

So both Lin and Landry go to weaker teams , losing situations for $$$$$$ should tell you about their short term/ long term plans
and goals in NBA life. Sure don't sound like winning is too important right now to me to them!

And the kicker here is as much as $$$ saved I'd like Lin to have stayed, but with all the trash being hurled Grunwald and Dolan's
way the NEW NY Knickerbockers are doing just fine & weathered all storms in offseason moves and continue to get ready to compete
and make NewYork city proud in the fall season start.

At that time we'll be talking even more Knicks & LESS Lin
Good! I cannot wait

(FORBES) JEREMY Lin May be dumbest harvard grad ever
http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/...

All we had to do was make him an offer, 4 years @ 24 million. We didn't even do that, how can anyone say he left the Knicks?

DJMUSIC, I had to read your post a couple of times to make sure I understood what you were saying and, I have to say I agree. Knicks fans move on past the hate, negativity and hurt feeling and appreciate the players we have that are going to play their buts off for us.
Grunny has put together a team that will win off defense and, when the DEFENSE chants start at the garden, team will know its more than just crowd hype.
I see our bench going from "one" of the best benches in the NBA and I see Mob Deep with the Cambyman anchoring the middle, scaring the hell out of opponents. The only thing we're missing is Kenyon Martin :)

While I agree with you that the Knicks are putting together a decent team, I also wonder who the third scoring option on this team will be? And yes, Lin left the Knicks but that’s because he never received an actual offer from this team, what was he supposed to do? Play for free.

earthmansurfer wrote:All we had to do was make him an offer, 4 years @ 24 million. We didn't even do that, how can anyone say he left the Knicks?

pretty easy. grunwald told him to go out and get his market value, lin did, reported back to the knicks, knicks said they would match the contract then lin went back to houston and decided to put the poison-pill in making it nearly impossible for the knicks to now match. yeah, that sounds like someone who really wants to be in new york.

nyk4ever wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:All we had to do was make him an offer, 4 years @ 24 million. We didn't even do that, how can anyone say he left the Knicks?

pretty easy. grunwald told him to go out and get his market value, lin did, reported back to the knicks, knicks said they would match the contract then lin went back to houston and decided to put the poison-pill in making it nearly impossible for the knicks to now match. yeah, that sounds like someone who really wants to be in new york.

Lin decided to put the poison pill? I didn't know Lin was the Rockets owner.

KnicksFE wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:All we had to do was make him an offer, 4 years @ 24 million. We didn't even do that, how can anyone say he left the Knicks?

pretty easy. grunwald told him to go out and get his market value, lin did, reported back to the knicks, knicks said they would match the contract then lin went back to houston and decided to put the poison-pill in making it nearly impossible for the knicks to now match. yeah, that sounds like someone who really wants to be in new york.

Lin decided to put the poison pill? I didn't know Lin was the Rockets owner.

well he certainly signed the contract so he had no problem with it.

beat around the bush all you want.

nyk4ever wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:All we had to do was make him an offer, 4 years @ 24 million. We didn't even do that, how can anyone say he left the Knicks?

pretty easy. grunwald told him to go out and get his market value, lin did, reported back to the knicks, knicks said they would match the contract then lin went back to houston and decided to put the poison-pill in making it nearly impossible for the knicks to now match. yeah, that sounds like someone who really wants to be in new york.

Lin decided to put the poison pill? I didn't know Lin was the Rockets owner.

well he certainly signed the contract so he had no problem with it.

beat around the bush all you want.

Sure, Lin had no problem signing that contract and rightfully so, but he definitely didn’t put it together the Rockets did.

earthmansurfer wrote:All we had to do was make him an offer, 4 years @ 24 million. We didn't even do that, how can anyone say he left the Knicks?

Its hard to take the Knicks side when they never had a standing offer. If Lin had walked away from the Rockets offer how does he know the Knicks dont low ball him. Anyway its over why are there so many damn Lin articles still.I do think Lin wanted out of NY though

KnicksFE wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:All we had to do was make him an offer, 4 years @ 24 million. We didn't even do that, how can anyone say he left the Knicks?

pretty easy. grunwald told him to go out and get his market value, lin did, reported back to the knicks, knicks said they would match the contract then lin went back to houston and decided to put the poison-pill in making it nearly impossible for the knicks to now match. yeah, that sounds like someone who really wants to be in new york.

Lin decided to put the poison pill? I didn't know Lin was the Rockets owner.

well he certainly signed the contract so he had no problem with it.

beat around the bush all you want.

Sure, Lin had no problem signing that contract and rightfully so, but he definitely didn’t put it together the Rockets did.

really guys....in this threat to!! MODS, this is getting ridiculous. Hows about talking about guys that are Knicks.

Jmpasq wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:All we had to do was make him an offer, 4 years @ 24 million. We didn't even do that, how can anyone say he left the Knicks?

Its hard to take the Knicks side when they never had a standing offer. If Lin had walked away from the Rockets offer how does he know the Knicks dont low ball him. Anyway its over why are there so many damn Lin articles still.I do think Lin wanted out of NY though

Totally agree and this is why I CAN”T blame Lin for signing the only OFFICIAL OFFER he had on the table. Had Lin rejected it, there was no guarantee that the Knicks would have make him an offer and considering that they were resigning and giving out contracts to other players (and were willing to pay tax penalties for them), I honestly don’t think the Knicks ever wanted Lin back.

KnicksFE wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:All we had to do was make him an offer, 4 years @ 24 million. We didn't even do that, how can anyone say he left the Knicks?

Its hard to take the Knicks side when they never had a standing offer. If Lin had walked away from the Rockets offer how does he know the Knicks dont low ball him. Anyway its over why are there so many damn Lin articles still.I do think Lin wanted out of NY though

Totally agree and this is why I CAN”T blame Lin for signing the only OFFICIAL OFFER he had on the table. Had Lin rejected it, there was no guarantee that the Knicks would have make him an offer and considering that they were resigning and giving out contracts to other players (and were willing to pay tax penalties for them), I honestly don’t think the Knicks ever wanted Lin back.

Oh noes! You just make too much sense! Guess you're not a registered member of ultimatelinhaters.com yet.

Either Knicks will not give Lin any offer (leave him out in the cold) or tell him, "Look, we got 3 PGs now. Either you accept being a bench player for a very low price or leave. It's your choice." If you were Lin what will you do? You protect yourself.

This Forbes Article fails to mention the 55 million in endorsements Lin already secured. I dont get how Lin is supposed to reject the Rockets offer to up the contract. If Morey comes in and puts that contract on the table instead of the 9 million dollar 3rd year whats Lin supposed to do. Say no I want to sign the 9 million dollar 1 that the Knicks agreed to match. How can u even write an article with all these holes in it. Did Dolan give him some luxury box tickets or something to write this

blackisblack wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:All we had to do was make him an offer, 4 years @ 24 million. We didn't even do that, how can anyone say he left the Knicks?

Its hard to take the Knicks side when they never had a standing offer. If Lin had walked away from the Rockets offer how does he know the Knicks dont low ball him. Anyway its over why are there so many damn Lin articles still.I do think Lin wanted out of NY though

Totally agree and this is why I CAN”T blame Lin for signing the only OFFICIAL OFFER he had on the table. Had Lin rejected it, there was no guarantee that the Knicks would have make him an offer and considering that they were resigning and giving out contracts to other players (and were willing to pay tax penalties for them), I honestly don’t think the Knicks ever wanted Lin back.

Oh noes! You just make too much sense! Guess you're not a registered member of ultimatelinhaters.com yet.

Either Knicks will not give Lin any offer (leave him out in the cold) or tell him, "Look, we got 3 PGs now. Either you accept being a bench player for a very low price or leave. It's your choice." If you were Lin what will you do? You protect yourself.

So, it certainly doesn't look like they wanted him. They put out the word that they would match any offer. But don't even make an offer to begin with? If money was an issue, why not at least make an offer, the max you can? Because the writing is on the wall. The bigger question is why. I think they wanted control of the team to be in Dolan's, Woodsons and Melo's hands - it's clear who most of the fans were behind (none of those three as much as Lin.) I think the Knicks were in a bind and they backed their way out of it.

Lin is better off being on the Rockets anyway. There's nothing great about working for Dolan and he doesn't need to spend his prime years sharing the ball with Melo. He's much more likely to blossom in Houston. It's a short contract and either Houston will build a good team or he'll be in a position to get a good contract on the team of his choice after 3 years.

DJMUSIC wrote:

Jeremy Lin stood to make more than just $5 mil few more or so with Rockets than Knicks initial offer sheet

You have a boss at MSG whom sports NY hates but players love working for & checks $$$ he writes.
Why not ? use Mr Dolan for business interests and connections for the Lin product/logo/brand ?
At my employers we all dont have to love our boss but we try to make $$$ and a name for yourself.

If you believe for a bitty second that NY area outside of Dolan, shareholders OR even MSG owners could not have made up
the pitty-patty differences of a screwy $Contract revisions if J.Lin allowed Knicks to work with him better for fortunes
not just for Knicks but for Jeremy's future well, We've been had by a HARVARD Grad.

For 25 games played and unfortunate injury Lin took himself w/advice out of USA, out of the City of Big Apple,
took himself to ESPY's awards shows and spend other times traveling back & forth meeting Rockets & in other cities

All in all Jeremy Lin Left the Knickerbockers. Plain and simple for a guy whom done well & got not only help from Knicks org.
and opportunity but also got fans to push his rise to a point of being selected in 2012 NBA Allstar festivities

And you'd think Jeremy would give Knicks a benefit of doubt at some point in negoitations or better attempts to stay with a team
whom never ever ever said they wanted to lose Lin. So Lin Left them!

He Left them flat, he left folks talking more about Lin, Linsanity, Stock/drops at MSG and more even chatter than the USA Mens
world team playing now , focus on NBA FA tasks all were superceded by Jesus-Jeremey Lin just the way his crappy agent planned it
out.

Now Lin still in the news about his chats & tweets about "I was too much consumed with Linsanity" !
Please brother gimme a FL___cking break Jeremy ! ! ! The strange thought by you is reason yourself and buddy Landry played
your ass_sses Out of one of the best Cities you ever been in embraced in. In Fields Case I Like him but at least Landry got
the dough $$$ money and ya know what ? He wasn't even any freaking good !

So both Lin and Landry go to weaker teams , losing situations for $$$$$$ should tell you about their short term/ long term plans
and goals in NBA life. Sure don't sound like winning is too important right now to me to them!

And the kicker here is as much as $$$ saved I'd like Lin to have stayed, but with all the trash being hurled Grunwald and Dolan's
way the NEW NY Knickerbockers are doing just fine & weathered all storms in offseason moves and continue to get ready to compete
and make NewYork city proud in the fall season start.

At that time we'll be talking even more Knicks & LESS Lin
Good! I cannot wait

(FORBES) JEREMY Lin May be dumbest harvard grad ever
http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/...

He took the best offer on the table and should not be condemned for it.
Lin reminds me of the road Gilbert Areana's took to beat out the system of getting drafted late, while Lin never got drafted and both were signed by Golden State.

I don't have a problem with letting Lin go, with the 3rd year contract being a max contract.
I do have a problem with Knicks not matching and trading him for assets before the 3rd year hits.

Bonn1997 wrote:Lin is better off being on the Rockets anyway. There's nothing great about working for Dolan and he doesn't need to spend his prime years sharing the ball with Melo. He's much more likely to blossom in Houston. It's a short contract and either Houston will build a good team or he'll be in a position to get a good contract on the team of his choice after 3 years.

Better off regarding his individual Stats, but more than Likely he is going to want to win a ring, and I doubt they can do that there anytime soon. Yeah, he will blossom there, but to me this is a team game (ok, ironic considering Melo is a bit too ISO at times, but getting better there.)

Houston basically owns Lin now, just as we did. Lin will be restricted in 3 years, they will have the right to match. I mean, how much more can anyone offer Lin than the Max, which is essentially what Houston offered Lin in year 3 of that contract. Unfortunately, we won't be seeing any more of Lin in NY.

earthmansurfer wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Lin is better off being on the Rockets anyway. There's nothing great about working for Dolan and he doesn't need to spend his prime years sharing the ball with Melo. He's much more likely to blossom in Houston. It's a short contract and either Houston will build a good team or he'll be in a position to get a good contract on the team of his choice after 3 years.

Better off regarding his individual Stats, but more than Likely he is going to want to win a ring, and I doubt they can do that there anytime soon. Yeah, he will blossom there, but to me this is a team game (ok, ironic considering Melo is a bit too ISO at times, but getting better there.)

Houston basically owns Lin now, just as we did. Lin will be restricted in 3 years, they will have the right to match. I mean, how much more can anyone offer Lin than the Max, which is essentially what Houston offered Lin in year 3 of that contract. Unfortunately, we won't be seeing any more of Lin in NY.

If he wants a ring, neither organization would have been a smart choice.

Bonn1997 wrote:Lin is better off being on the Rockets anyway. There's nothing great about working for Dolan and he doesn't need to spend his prime years sharing the ball with Melo. He's much more likely to blossom in Houston. It's a short contract and either Houston will build a good team or he'll be in a position to get a good contract on the team of his choice after 3 years.

Bonn1997 I've been reading your posts about the Knicks for a long time now and you never seem to have anything positive about them to say. I think you're a NYETS fan who post here to annoy everyone. Since you're always so disappointed about the Knicks why do you post on the NYETS forums instead.

infinitilov100 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Lin is better off being on the Rockets anyway. There's nothing great about working for Dolan and he doesn't need to spend his prime years sharing the ball with Melo. He's much more likely to blossom in Houston. It's a short contract and either Houston will build a good team or he'll be in a position to get a good contract on the team of his choice after 3 years.

Bonn1997 I've been reading your posts about the Knicks for a long time now and you never seem to have anything positive about them to say. I think you're a NYETS fan who post here to annoy everyone. Since you're always so disappointed about the Knicks why do you post on the NYETS forums instead.

good first post...

KnicksFE wrote:While I agree with you that the Knicks are putting together a decent team, I also wonder who the third scoring option on this team will be? And yes, Lin left the Knicks but that’s because he never received an actual offer from this team, what was he supposed to do? Play for free.

I hear ya & respectively so

But I'm missing something here please help me. In the FA process or 'Right to ' market yourself the Knicks have a rep. for stifling players and keeping secrets
They allow Mr Lin to use a process in place to go & venture out which was an expressed interest not just by Rockets sending out news to Lin Agent of interests but
also by Jeremey himself ? Correct

Now if you get an initial offer sheet ? correct ? arent the Knicks suppose to receive this paper/document?
OR can Knicks Offer when already an offet agreement setup done bu Houston/Lin Agent ? prior to 1st date of July 11 legal signings officially for FA in nba

From news media and my poor understanding (forgive me) Rockets didnt have to send a sheet til July 11 ? Correct ? And Houston didnt give Knicks any legal docs at Jul.11
Could knicks made offer despite waiting for paperwork ?
Answer that please ?

When Knicks seek doc, they got all they got was a screwy revise sneak attach Version doc. which Grunwald did bad job of avoiding ?
I did not get impression the 1st time at July 11 when Knicks didnt have anything to 'Counter-offer' that NY/Brass Grunwald Or his boss wasnt ready to match
and if they did match COULD knicks make counter-match with $$$ Revisions themselves ?

Answer that one?

I know Knicks did somethings not good but
are knicks only guilty party here ?

This all seems like WWE Cm PUNK sneak attach on 'Rock' and 'Cena ' other night when no one saw the HEEL coming from PUNK a wrestler

So where does Rockets or Lin/Agent have any blames in this ? I do not understand how you keep a competitor more /most informed like Rockets was
and Knicks were expecting same communications back from Lin /Agent and the media didnt ever say Knicks got that communications fairly from Lin.

You'd think Mr Lin and his agent worked for Rockets/GM instead of while he was employed still by Dolan/Knicks

Something dirty about how it all went down
It amounted to cash but at a $$$Cost & Luxury tax records that was gonna be set by the knicks in NBA for this deal

Why is that not important to Lin/Agent ?

Coulda been avoided but NY isnt only sole guilty party