Knicks · Face facts & quoting Danny Ainge on R.Allen leaving ..Jeremy Lin Left the Knicks not vice versa (page 3)
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:infinitilov100 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Lin is better off being on the Rockets anyway. There's nothing great about working for Dolan and he doesn't need to spend his prime years sharing the ball with Melo. He's much more likely to blossom in Houston. It's a short contract and either Houston will build a good team or he'll be in a position to get a good contract on the team of his choice after 3 years.Bonn1997 I've been reading your posts about the Knicks for a long time now and you never seem to have anything positive about them to say. I think you're a NYETS fan who post here to annoy everyone. Since you're always so disappointed about the Knicks why do you post on the NYETS forums instead.
You may have followed but not closely. I am quite positive towards anyone who earns it (Tyson, Lin briefly). I give credit to anyone who is an efficient, unselfish player too (like Tyson, Lin, Novak, Fields, Billups, Gallo). On a team that wins 1 playoff game a decade, obviously only a small minority of players will have earned my praise, though.Gallo is efficient? That's nice. AND WRONG
Just say you have the hots for the stallion - its ok
Yes, he's very efficient. His assist turnover ratio and TS% are way better than most SFs.
toodarkmark wrote:Good post... both Todd and Chuck.ChuckBuck wrote:Just because Dolan is the owner doesn't mean you have to support him or what he does. Just don't buy tickets, don't order Cablevision, don't buy anything related to the Garden. You still can support the team however. Raiders fan still supported their team even with Al Davis, Cowboys fans still support their team with Jerry Jones meddling, Clippers fans suffer miserably under Donald Sterling but somehow still exist. You think Twolves fans love King Kahn? They still cheer on Love and Rubio wholeheartedly. Hating Dolan as an owner is a poor excuse for hating your own team. Grunwald is no Isaiah and Woodson is no D'Antoni. Looks like the whole team from the front office to the coach to the players are on the same page. Let's give this team a chance, before we doom and gloom it.I used to feel the same way Chuck. I really did. Banishing Ewing. Overpaying Houston. Trading Sprewell for Van Horn. Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisly. Banishing Marv Albert. The Media control. Don Chaney's firing. Cart blanche for Isiah. We have to take on Anfreenee Hardaway AND give up two first rounders? Jerome James? Why did we just draft Frye over Bynum? Maurice Taylor? STEVE FRANCIS? Why are we giving Eddy Curry 6 years? Fire Isiah showing up in a video game?
Then I thanked God Stern stepped in and gave us Walsh. But guesss whoooo got shown the doooor?
Oh and wait, finally a feel good story about the Knicks. Finally something not manufactured, bought,packaged. Nahhh.
I wasn't even a big Lin fan. But this is just... no longer about Lin, Chuck. This is an epiphany. A realization. And although I've been a Knicks fan since 1987, sometimes an owner CAN really make you question your fandom.
Im guessing Chuck might be a younger fan. The Knicks were terrible for a long time. Then the Ewing lottery. That was a good time for MSG. The team was built to win and compete every year. You didnt have these insane personalities running the place and you didnt see ego come before basketball. Sure there were issues... there were problems with Ernie, Checkets and the Don Nelson hiring and firing (he was a bad fit), but thats pretty normal for the NBA. You didnt see good people like Chaney escorted out by security or any of the other crap that Todd mentioned.
Dolan has abused the trust and love of Knick fans. When someone dumps on you year after year it becomes easier and easier to love them less and see them for what they are. People here arent in love with Walsh, rather what he represented: sanity, stability, a plan, respect for the value of youth... etc etc.
Knicks make me love my other teams even more. Ive been down on the Yanks a bit, but more because they just arent that interesting anymore. Still I catch some of most every game. Watching the Knicks all these years have really opened my eyes to how lucky I am to be a fan of the NY Giants, Eli, Coughlin, Reese, Acorsi (gone but thanks), the Mara's and most everything associated with that organization. Night and day
KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:So the Grunwald Era is considered a failure already? You think Dolan would push out Grunwald and Woody, they have great synergy and toe the company line, yet still make sound basketball decisions. The Grunwald/Woody era just begun last year. If they have great success together, you think it's a forgone conclusion Dolan whacks both of them just like that?Yes, if they interfere in Dolan’s agenda both will be gone, even if they are successful and have the support of the fans. Just look at Donnie Walsh, he cleared the big mess they Knicks were in for the past decade (under Dolan) and wasn’t brought back. Isiah Thomas created one of the most depressing eras in recent Knicks history and he still roaming the Garden as an unofficial consultant. Go figure that out.
Now that's just theorycraft. Is Isaiah really a consultant or is that something "you think"? Walsh cleared most of the mess, but he also wasn't a complete Guardian Angel. Drafting Jordan Hill was terrible, then on top of that shipping off Hill with a 2012 1st rd draft pick for the earthly remains of Tracy McGrady's expiring contract was beyond terrible. Then completely booting 2010 Free Agency for Lebron and being forced to outbid against himself to sign "Amare Stoudemire" to come away with some consolation prize. Walsh was good, not completely the errorless saint alot make him out to be.
fishmike wrote:toodarkmark wrote:Good post... both Todd and Chuck.ChuckBuck wrote:Just because Dolan is the owner doesn't mean you have to support him or what he does. Just don't buy tickets, don't order Cablevision, don't buy anything related to the Garden. You still can support the team however. Raiders fan still supported their team even with Al Davis, Cowboys fans still support their team with Jerry Jones meddling, Clippers fans suffer miserably under Donald Sterling but somehow still exist. You think Twolves fans love King Kahn? They still cheer on Love and Rubio wholeheartedly. Hating Dolan as an owner is a poor excuse for hating your own team. Grunwald is no Isaiah and Woodson is no D'Antoni. Looks like the whole team from the front office to the coach to the players are on the same page. Let's give this team a chance, before we doom and gloom it.I used to feel the same way Chuck. I really did. Banishing Ewing. Overpaying Houston. Trading Sprewell for Van Horn. Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisly. Banishing Marv Albert. The Media control. Don Chaney's firing. Cart blanche for Isiah. We have to take on Anfreenee Hardaway AND give up two first rounders? Jerome James? Why did we just draft Frye over Bynum? Maurice Taylor? STEVE FRANCIS? Why are we giving Eddy Curry 6 years? Fire Isiah showing up in a video game?
Then I thanked God Stern stepped in and gave us Walsh. But guesss whoooo got shown the doooor?
Oh and wait, finally a feel good story about the Knicks. Finally something not manufactured, bought,packaged. Nahhh.
I wasn't even a big Lin fan. But this is just... no longer about Lin, Chuck. This is an epiphany. A realization. And although I've been a Knicks fan since 1987, sometimes an owner CAN really make you question your fandom.
Im guessing Chuck might be a younger fan. The Knicks were terrible for a long time. Then the Ewing lottery. That was a good time for MSG. The team was built to win and compete every year. You didnt have these insane personalities running the place and you didnt see ego come before basketball. Sure there were issues... there were problems with Ernie, Checkets and the Don Nelson hiring and firing (he was a bad fit), but thats pretty normal for the NBA. You didnt see good people like Chaney escorted out by security or any of the other crap that Todd mentioned.
Dolan has abused the trust and love of Knick fans. When someone dumps on you year after year it becomes easier and easier to love them less and see them for what they are. People here arent in love with Walsh, rather what he represented: sanity, stability, a plan, respect for the value of youth... etc etc.
Knicks make me love my other teams even more. Ive been down on the Yanks a bit, but more because they just arent that interesting anymore. Still I catch some of most every game. Watching the Knicks all these years have really opened my eyes to how lucky I am to be a fan of the NY Giants, Eli, Coughlin, Reese, Acorsi (gone but thanks), the Mara's and most everything associated with that organization. Night and day
Good posts, Fishmike, Chuck and Todd
fishmike wrote:toodarkmark wrote:Good post... both Todd and Chuck.ChuckBuck wrote:Just because Dolan is the owner doesn't mean you have to support him or what he does. Just don't buy tickets, don't order Cablevision, don't buy anything related to the Garden. You still can support the team however. Raiders fan still supported their team even with Al Davis, Cowboys fans still support their team with Jerry Jones meddling, Clippers fans suffer miserably under Donald Sterling but somehow still exist. You think Twolves fans love King Kahn? They still cheer on Love and Rubio wholeheartedly. Hating Dolan as an owner is a poor excuse for hating your own team. Grunwald is no Isaiah and Woodson is no D'Antoni. Looks like the whole team from the front office to the coach to the players are on the same page. Let's give this team a chance, before we doom and gloom it.I used to feel the same way Chuck. I really did. Banishing Ewing. Overpaying Houston. Trading Sprewell for Van Horn. Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisly. Banishing Marv Albert. The Media control. Don Chaney's firing. Cart blanche for Isiah. We have to take on Anfreenee Hardaway AND give up two first rounders? Jerome James? Why did we just draft Frye over Bynum? Maurice Taylor? STEVE FRANCIS? Why are we giving Eddy Curry 6 years? Fire Isiah showing up in a video game?
Then I thanked God Stern stepped in and gave us Walsh. But guesss whoooo got shown the doooor?
Oh and wait, finally a feel good story about the Knicks. Finally something not manufactured, bought,packaged. Nahhh.
I wasn't even a big Lin fan. But this is just... no longer about Lin, Chuck. This is an epiphany. A realization. And although I've been a Knicks fan since 1987, sometimes an owner CAN really make you question your fandom.
Im guessing Chuck might be a younger fan. The Knicks were terrible for a long time. Then the Ewing lottery. That was a good time for MSG. The team was built to win and compete every year. You didnt have these insane personalities running the place and you didnt see ego come before basketball. Sure there were issues... there were problems with Ernie, Checkets and the Don Nelson hiring and firing (he was a bad fit), but thats pretty normal for the NBA. You didnt see good people like Chaney escorted out by security or any of the other crap that Todd mentioned.
Dolan has abused the trust and love of Knick fans. When someone dumps on you year after year it becomes easier and easier to love them less and see them for what they are. People here arent in love with Walsh, rather what he represented: sanity, stability, a plan, respect for the value of youth... etc etc.
Knicks make me love my other teams even more. Ive been down on the Yanks a bit, but more because they just arent that interesting anymore. Still I catch some of most every game. Watching the Knicks all these years have really opened my eyes to how lucky I am to be a fan of the NY Giants, Eli, Coughlin, Reese, Acorsi (gone but thanks), the Mara's and most everything associated with that organization. Night and day
I might be older than you Fishmike. 
I've been through alot as a NY fan. The Rich Kotite Jets, the Knicks of the 80s, the Yanks of the 80s. I've seen alot in my young middle age. Dolan is terrible plain and simple. Not resigning Lin may or may not be a mistake, who knows, time will tell. What I do know is this upcoming season, the core players and coach, and what looks to be a defensive first team, is something I don't want to miss based on the sins of the father. Enjoy the ride, it's what we do as fans.
toodarkmark wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Just because Dolan is the owner doesn't mean you have to support him or what he does. Just don't buy tickets, don't order Cablevision, don't buy anything related to the Garden. You still can support the team however. Raiders fan still supported their team even with Al Davis, Cowboys fans still support their team with Jerry Jones meddling, Clippers fans suffer miserably under Donald Sterling but somehow still exist. You think Twolves fans love King Kahn? They still cheer on Love and Rubio wholeheartedly. Hating Dolan as an owner is a poor excuse for hating your own team. Grunwald is no Isaiah and Woodson is no D'Antoni. Looks like the whole team from the front office to the coach to the players are on the same page. Let's give this team a chance, before we doom and gloom it.I used to feel the same way Chuck. I really did. Banishing Ewing. Overpaying Houston. Trading Sprewell for Van Horn. Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisly. Banishing Marv Albert. The Media control. Don Chaney's firing. Cart blanche for Isiah. We have to take on Anfreenee Hardaway AND give up two first rounders? Jerome James? Why did we just draft Frye over Bynum? Maurice Taylor? STEVE FRANCIS? Why are we giving Eddy Curry 6 years? Fire Isiah showing up in a video game?
Then I thanked God Stern stepped in and gave us Walsh. But guesss whoooo got shown the doooor?
Oh and wait, finally a feel good story about the Knicks. Finally something not manufactured, bought,packaged. Nahhh.
I wasn't even a big Lin fan. But this is just... no longer about Lin, Chuck. This is an epiphany. A realization. And although I've been a Knicks fan since 1987, sometimes an owner CAN really make you question your fandom.
you definitely have some very good complaints, but I wouldn't list the above as one of them if you are also cursing at Dolan for NOT overpaying Lin.
toodarkmark wrote:James Dolan is a joke of an owner. It's clownish to defend someone who made an emerging star player a promise, broke it, and then does everything to get the media to spin it in his direction.Someone who has done everything in their power for 12 years to ruin a team that meant so much to so many. Lin was forced out. Say all you want, but the facts are out there. Defend all you want, but Dolan would have paid Lin anything he wanted if Lin had just accepted that no one in this town is bigger than Dolan.
Mark, I think one thing we learned from this is a promise is non binding (here's looking at you Lin, Morey, and verbal agreement)
ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:So the Grunwald Era is considered a failure already? You think Dolan would push out Grunwald and Woody, they have great synergy and toe the company line, yet still make sound basketball decisions. The Grunwald/Woody era just begun last year. If they have great success together, you think it's a forgone conclusion Dolan whacks both of them just like that?Yes, if they interfere in Dolan’s agenda both will be gone, even if they are successful and have the support of the fans. Just look at Donnie Walsh, he cleared the big mess they Knicks were in for the past decade (under Dolan) and wasn’t brought back. Isiah Thomas created one of the most depressing eras in recent Knicks history and he still roaming the Garden as an unofficial consultant. Go figure that out.
Now that's just theorycraft. Is Isaiah really a consultant or is that something "you think"? Walsh cleared most of the mess, but he also wasn't a complete Guardian Angel. Drafting Jordan Hill was terrible, then on top of that shipping off Hill with a 2012 1st rd draft pick for the earthly remains of Tracy McGrady's expiring contract was beyond terrible. Then completely booting 2010 Free Agency for Lebron and being forced to outbid against himself to sign "Amare Stoudemire" to come away with some consolation prize. Walsh was good, not completely the errorless saint alot make him out to be.
You are in the wrong sport if you think you will find a completely errorless GM in the NBA, not even the great Jerry West (remember his Memphis days) or Pat Riley (offering $100 million to Juwan Howard before the NBA annulled that deal) were perfect. Donnie Walsh has been our best GM for the past 15 years and Dolan should have left him finished what he started.
KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:So the Grunwald Era is considered a failure already? You think Dolan would push out Grunwald and Woody, they have great synergy and toe the company line, yet still make sound basketball decisions. The Grunwald/Woody era just begun last year. If they have great success together, you think it's a forgone conclusion Dolan whacks both of them just like that?Yes, if they interfere in Dolan’s agenda both will be gone, even if they are successful and have the support of the fans. Just look at Donnie Walsh, he cleared the big mess they Knicks were in for the past decade (under Dolan) and wasn’t brought back. Isiah Thomas created one of the most depressing eras in recent Knicks history and he still roaming the Garden as an unofficial consultant. Go figure that out.
Now that's just theorycraft. Is Isaiah really a consultant or is that something "you think"? Walsh cleared most of the mess, but he also wasn't a complete Guardian Angel. Drafting Jordan Hill was terrible, then on top of that shipping off Hill with a 2012 1st rd draft pick for the earthly remains of Tracy McGrady's expiring contract was beyond terrible. Then completely booting 2010 Free Agency for Lebron and being forced to outbid against himself to sign "Amare Stoudemire" to come away with some consolation prize. Walsh was good, not completely the errorless saint alot make him out to be.
You are in the wrong sport if you think you will find a completely errorless GM in the NBA, not even the great Jerry West (remember his Memphis days) or Pat Riley (offering $100 million to Juwan Howard before the NBA annulled that deal) were perfect. Donnie Walsh has been our best GM for the past 15 years and Dolan should have left him finished what he started.
What success did Walsh really have though? He did a good job clearing cap space for 2010, but the results never shown on the floor. I think his hand picked teams only had 1 winning season right(42-40)? I still don't see this "greatness" during his time with NY.
ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:So the Grunwald Era is considered a failure already? You think Dolan would push out Grunwald and Woody, they have great synergy and toe the company line, yet still make sound basketball decisions. The Grunwald/Woody era just begun last year. If they have great success together, you think it's a forgone conclusion Dolan whacks both of them just like that?Yes, if they interfere in Dolan’s agenda both will be gone, even if they are successful and have the support of the fans. Just look at Donnie Walsh, he cleared the big mess they Knicks were in for the past decade (under Dolan) and wasn’t brought back. Isiah Thomas created one of the most depressing eras in recent Knicks history and he still roaming the Garden as an unofficial consultant. Go figure that out.
Now that's just theorycraft. Is Isaiah really a consultant or is that something "you think"? Walsh cleared most of the mess, but he also wasn't a complete Guardian Angel. Drafting Jordan Hill was terrible, then on top of that shipping off Hill with a 2012 1st rd draft pick for the earthly remains of Tracy McGrady's expiring contract was beyond terrible. Then completely booting 2010 Free Agency for Lebron and being forced to outbid against himself to sign "Amare Stoudemire" to come away with some consolation prize. Walsh was good, not completely the errorless saint alot make him out to be.
You are in the wrong sport if you think you will find a completely errorless GM in the NBA, not even the great Jerry West (remember his Memphis days) or Pat Riley (offering $100 million to Juwan Howard before the NBA annulled that deal) were perfect. Donnie Walsh has been our best GM for the past 15 years and Dolan should have left him finished what he started.
What success did Walsh really have though? He did a good job clearing cap space for 2010, but the results never shown on the floor. I think his hand picked teams only had 1 winning season right(42-40)? I still don't see this "greatness" during his time with NY.
Clearing NY cap space was considered an almost impossible task by many in the NBA, since we were so far over it, with no player expiring soon at that time. Also remember that usually clearing out cap space means rebuilding/retooling and taking less talent with fewer years in their contract. So no, I was not expecting a playoff berth for the first two years at least, unless somehow Walsh had managed to trade Eddy Curry's huge contract for a superstar at that time, which never was going to happen. If you don’t think Donnie Walsh did a good job, I can respect that, but as fans we also have to be realistic with the situation he had at that time and personally I think he did very good.
KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:So the Grunwald Era is considered a failure already? You think Dolan would push out Grunwald and Woody, they have great synergy and toe the company line, yet still make sound basketball decisions. The Grunwald/Woody era just begun last year. If they have great success together, you think it's a forgone conclusion Dolan whacks both of them just like that?Yes, if they interfere in Dolan’s agenda both will be gone, even if they are successful and have the support of the fans. Just look at Donnie Walsh, he cleared the big mess they Knicks were in for the past decade (under Dolan) and wasn’t brought back. Isiah Thomas created one of the most depressing eras in recent Knicks history and he still roaming the Garden as an unofficial consultant. Go figure that out.
Now that's just theorycraft. Is Isaiah really a consultant or is that something "you think"? Walsh cleared most of the mess, but he also wasn't a complete Guardian Angel. Drafting Jordan Hill was terrible, then on top of that shipping off Hill with a 2012 1st rd draft pick for the earthly remains of Tracy McGrady's expiring contract was beyond terrible. Then completely booting 2010 Free Agency for Lebron and being forced to outbid against himself to sign "Amare Stoudemire" to come away with some consolation prize. Walsh was good, not completely the errorless saint alot make him out to be.
You are in the wrong sport if you think you will find a completely errorless GM in the NBA, not even the great Jerry West (remember his Memphis days) or Pat Riley (offering $100 million to Juwan Howard before the NBA annulled that deal) were perfect. Donnie Walsh has been our best GM for the past 15 years and Dolan should have left him finished what he started.
What success did Walsh really have though? He did a good job clearing cap space for 2010, but the results never shown on the floor. I think his hand picked teams only had 1 winning season right(42-40)? I still don't see this "greatness" during his time with NY.
Clearing NY cap space was considered an almost impossible task by many in the NBA, since we were so far over it, with no player expiring soon at that time. Also remember that usually clearing out cap space means rebuilding/retooling and taking less talent with fewer years in their contract. So no, I was not expecting a playoff berth for the first two years at least, unless somehow Walsh had managed to trade Eddy Curry's huge contract for a superstar at that time, which never was going to happen. If you don’t think Donnie Walsh did a good job, I can respect that, but as fans we also have to be realistic with the situation he had at that time and personally I think he did very good.
I can agree with the cap clearing part, yes. Walsh was good, I admit it. Personally, I think Grunwald has done more in the last 2 seasons than Walsh did in 4.
ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:So the Grunwald Era is considered a failure already? You think Dolan would push out Grunwald and Woody, they have great synergy and toe the company line, yet still make sound basketball decisions. The Grunwald/Woody era just begun last year. If they have great success together, you think it's a forgone conclusion Dolan whacks both of them just like that?Yes, if they interfere in Dolan’s agenda both will be gone, even if they are successful and have the support of the fans. Just look at Donnie Walsh, he cleared the big mess they Knicks were in for the past decade (under Dolan) and wasn’t brought back. Isiah Thomas created one of the most depressing eras in recent Knicks history and he still roaming the Garden as an unofficial consultant. Go figure that out.
Now that's just theorycraft. Is Isaiah really a consultant or is that something "you think"? Walsh cleared most of the mess, but he also wasn't a complete Guardian Angel. Drafting Jordan Hill was terrible, then on top of that shipping off Hill with a 2012 1st rd draft pick for the earthly remains of Tracy McGrady's expiring contract was beyond terrible. Then completely booting 2010 Free Agency for Lebron and being forced to outbid against himself to sign "Amare Stoudemire" to come away with some consolation prize. Walsh was good, not completely the errorless saint alot make him out to be.
You are in the wrong sport if you think you will find a completely errorless GM in the NBA, not even the great Jerry West (remember his Memphis days) or Pat Riley (offering $100 million to Juwan Howard before the NBA annulled that deal) were perfect. Donnie Walsh has been our best GM for the past 15 years and Dolan should have left him finished what he started.
What success did Walsh really have though? He did a good job clearing cap space for 2010, but the results never shown on the floor. I think his hand picked teams only had 1 winning season right(42-40)? I still don't see this "greatness" during his time with NY.
Clearing NY cap space was considered an almost impossible task by many in the NBA, since we were so far over it, with no player expiring soon at that time. Also remember that usually clearing out cap space means rebuilding/retooling and taking less talent with fewer years in their contract. So no, I was not expecting a playoff berth for the first two years at least, unless somehow Walsh had managed to trade Eddy Curry's huge contract for a superstar at that time, which never was going to happen. If you don’t think Donnie Walsh did a good job, I can respect that, but as fans we also have to be realistic with the situation he had at that time and personally I think he did very good.
I can agree with the cap clearing part, yes. Walsh was good, I admit it. Personally, I think Grunwald has done more in the last 2 seasons than Walsh did in 4.
That’s because Walsh already did the hardest part, which was to create cap space room for Granwald to sign those players, if we had remained wayyyyy over the cap like before, Chandler wouldn’t be here today even if we had amnesty Billups, because we would still be over the cap. Also, some of the player we just signed wouldn’t be here either, since we will probably pay three times as much (including tax penalties) under the new CBA, however today, that’s not our concern because we are under the luxury tax line, so for the most part they only cost their contracts.
KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:So the Grunwald Era is considered a failure already? You think Dolan would push out Grunwald and Woody, they have great synergy and toe the company line, yet still make sound basketball decisions. The Grunwald/Woody era just begun last year. If they have great success together, you think it's a forgone conclusion Dolan whacks both of them just like that?Yes, if they interfere in Dolan’s agenda both will be gone, even if they are successful and have the support of the fans. Just look at Donnie Walsh, he cleared the big mess they Knicks were in for the past decade (under Dolan) and wasn’t brought back. Isiah Thomas created one of the most depressing eras in recent Knicks history and he still roaming the Garden as an unofficial consultant. Go figure that out.
Now that's just theorycraft. Is Isaiah really a consultant or is that something "you think"? Walsh cleared most of the mess, but he also wasn't a complete Guardian Angel. Drafting Jordan Hill was terrible, then on top of that shipping off Hill with a 2012 1st rd draft pick for the earthly remains of Tracy McGrady's expiring contract was beyond terrible. Then completely booting 2010 Free Agency for Lebron and being forced to outbid against himself to sign "Amare Stoudemire" to come away with some consolation prize. Walsh was good, not completely the errorless saint alot make him out to be.
You are in the wrong sport if you think you will find a completely errorless GM in the NBA, not even the great Jerry West (remember his Memphis days) or Pat Riley (offering $100 million to Juwan Howard before the NBA annulled that deal) were perfect. Donnie Walsh has been our best GM for the past 15 years and Dolan should have left him finished what he started.
What success did Walsh really have though? He did a good job clearing cap space for 2010, but the results never shown on the floor. I think his hand picked teams only had 1 winning season right(42-40)? I still don't see this "greatness" during his time with NY.
Clearing NY cap space was considered an almost impossible task by many in the NBA, since we were so far over it, with no player expiring soon at that time. Also remember that usually clearing out cap space means rebuilding/retooling and taking less talent with fewer years in their contract. So no, I was not expecting a playoff berth for the first two years at least, unless somehow Walsh had managed to trade Eddy Curry's huge contract for a superstar at that time, which never was going to happen. If you don’t think Donnie Walsh did a good job, I can respect that, but as fans we also have to be realistic with the situation he had at that time and personally I think he did very good.
I can agree with the cap clearing part, yes. Walsh was good, I admit it. Personally, I think Grunwald has done more in the last 2 seasons than Walsh did in 4.
That’s because Walsh already did the hardest part, which was to create cap space room for Granwald to sign those players, if we had remained wayyyyy over the cap like before, Chandler wouldn’t be here today even if we had amnesty Billups, because we would still be over the cap. Also, some of the player we just signed wouldn’t be here either, since we will probably pay three times as much (including tax penalties) under the new CBA, however today, that’s not our concern because we are under the luxury tax line, so for the most part they only cost their contracts.
I'm sorry but Walsh clearing cap has nothing to do with Chandler being here. Chandler being here is because Dolan forced Walsh to make the trade for Melo which Walsh was against, which brought over Chauncey who later got amnestied once the lockout was settled. Donnie Walsh cease to have a GM role June of 2011, so in that short time Glenn Grunwald's moves led to: Tyson Chandler(Defensive Player of the Year), JR Smith, Jeremy Lin, Steve Novak, Jason Kidd, Marcus Camby, Kurt Thomas, Raymond Felton, Pablo Prigioni, Ronnie Brewer
Pretty good haul considering the hefty contracts of Amare and Melo.
ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:So the Grunwald Era is considered a failure already? You think Dolan would push out Grunwald and Woody, they have great synergy and toe the company line, yet still make sound basketball decisions. The Grunwald/Woody era just begun last year. If they have great success together, you think it's a forgone conclusion Dolan whacks both of them just like that?Yes, if they interfere in Dolan’s agenda both will be gone, even if they are successful and have the support of the fans. Just look at Donnie Walsh, he cleared the big mess they Knicks were in for the past decade (under Dolan) and wasn’t brought back. Isiah Thomas created one of the most depressing eras in recent Knicks history and he still roaming the Garden as an unofficial consultant. Go figure that out.
Now that's just theorycraft. Is Isaiah really a consultant or is that something "you think"? Walsh cleared most of the mess, but he also wasn't a complete Guardian Angel. Drafting Jordan Hill was terrible, then on top of that shipping off Hill with a 2012 1st rd draft pick for the earthly remains of Tracy McGrady's expiring contract was beyond terrible. Then completely booting 2010 Free Agency for Lebron and being forced to outbid against himself to sign "Amare Stoudemire" to come away with some consolation prize. Walsh was good, not completely the errorless saint alot make him out to be.
You are in the wrong sport if you think you will find a completely errorless GM in the NBA, not even the great Jerry West (remember his Memphis days) or Pat Riley (offering $100 million to Juwan Howard before the NBA annulled that deal) were perfect. Donnie Walsh has been our best GM for the past 15 years and Dolan should have left him finished what he started.
What success did Walsh really have though? He did a good job clearing cap space for 2010, but the results never shown on the floor. I think his hand picked teams only had 1 winning season right(42-40)? I still don't see this "greatness" during his time with NY.
Clearing NY cap space was considered an almost impossible task by many in the NBA, since we were so far over it, with no player expiring soon at that time. Also remember that usually clearing out cap space means rebuilding/retooling and taking less talent with fewer years in their contract. So no, I was not expecting a playoff berth for the first two years at least, unless somehow Walsh had managed to trade Eddy Curry's huge contract for a superstar at that time, which never was going to happen. If you don’t think Donnie Walsh did a good job, I can respect that, but as fans we also have to be realistic with the situation he had at that time and personally I think he did very good.
I can agree with the cap clearing part, yes. Walsh was good, I admit it. Personally, I think Grunwald has done more in the last 2 seasons than Walsh did in 4.
That’s because Walsh already did the hardest part, which was to create cap space room for Granwald to sign those players, if we had remained wayyyyy over the cap like before, Chandler wouldn’t be here today even if we had amnesty Billups, because we would still be over the cap. Also, some of the player we just signed wouldn’t be here either, since we will probably pay three times as much (including tax penalties) under the new CBA, however today, that’s not our concern because we are under the luxury tax line, so for the most part they only cost their contracts.
I'm sorry but Walsh clearing cap has nothing to do with Chandler being here. Chandler being here is because Dolan forced Walsh to make the trade for Melo which Walsh was against, which brought over Chauncey who later got amnestied once the lockout was settled. Donnie Walsh cease to have a GM role June of 2011, so in that short time Glenn Grunwald's moves led to: Tyson Chandler(Defensive Player of the Year), JR Smith, Jeremy Lin, Steve Novak, Jason Kidd, Marcus Camby, Kurt Thomas, Raymond Felton, Pablo Prigioni, Ronnie Brewer
Pretty good haul considering the hefty contracts of Amare and Melo.
You have it wrong; Walsh was not against trading for Melo, getting a superstar was his priority from day 1, Walsh was against trading all those assets + picks for Melo which is a totally different story. Once the Knicks amnestied Billups, they were under the cap again and they used that money on Chandler’s 14 million contract (see they had cap flexibility). Ask yourself this question, had the Knicks remained with 80 million in payroll; With the exception of Lin & Novak (Picked of wavers list) how would the Knicks acquired the rest of the players above? Please consider the HUGE Tax penalties that they would pay today, for been way over the cap.
KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:So the Grunwald Era is considered a failure already? You think Dolan would push out Grunwald and Woody, they have great synergy and toe the company line, yet still make sound basketball decisions. The Grunwald/Woody era just begun last year. If they have great success together, you think it's a forgone conclusion Dolan whacks both of them just like that?Yes, if they interfere in Dolan’s agenda both will be gone, even if they are successful and have the support of the fans. Just look at Donnie Walsh, he cleared the big mess they Knicks were in for the past decade (under Dolan) and wasn’t brought back. Isiah Thomas created one of the most depressing eras in recent Knicks history and he still roaming the Garden as an unofficial consultant. Go figure that out.
Now that's just theorycraft. Is Isaiah really a consultant or is that something "you think"? Walsh cleared most of the mess, but he also wasn't a complete Guardian Angel. Drafting Jordan Hill was terrible, then on top of that shipping off Hill with a 2012 1st rd draft pick for the earthly remains of Tracy McGrady's expiring contract was beyond terrible. Then completely booting 2010 Free Agency for Lebron and being forced to outbid against himself to sign "Amare Stoudemire" to come away with some consolation prize. Walsh was good, not completely the errorless saint alot make him out to be.
You are in the wrong sport if you think you will find a completely errorless GM in the NBA, not even the great Jerry West (remember his Memphis days) or Pat Riley (offering $100 million to Juwan Howard before the NBA annulled that deal) were perfect. Donnie Walsh has been our best GM for the past 15 years and Dolan should have left him finished what he started.
What success did Walsh really have though? He did a good job clearing cap space for 2010, but the results never shown on the floor. I think his hand picked teams only had 1 winning season right(42-40)? I still don't see this "greatness" during his time with NY.
Clearing NY cap space was considered an almost impossible task by many in the NBA, since we were so far over it, with no player expiring soon at that time. Also remember that usually clearing out cap space means rebuilding/retooling and taking less talent with fewer years in their contract. So no, I was not expecting a playoff berth for the first two years at least, unless somehow Walsh had managed to trade Eddy Curry's huge contract for a superstar at that time, which never was going to happen. If you don’t think Donnie Walsh did a good job, I can respect that, but as fans we also have to be realistic with the situation he had at that time and personally I think he did very good.
I can agree with the cap clearing part, yes. Walsh was good, I admit it. Personally, I think Grunwald has done more in the last 2 seasons than Walsh did in 4.
That’s because Walsh already did the hardest part, which was to create cap space room for Granwald to sign those players, if we had remained wayyyyy over the cap like before, Chandler wouldn’t be here today even if we had amnesty Billups, because we would still be over the cap. Also, some of the player we just signed wouldn’t be here either, since we will probably pay three times as much (including tax penalties) under the new CBA, however today, that’s not our concern because we are under the luxury tax line, so for the most part they only cost their contracts.
I'm sorry but Walsh clearing cap has nothing to do with Chandler being here. Chandler being here is because Dolan forced Walsh to make the trade for Melo which Walsh was against, which brought over Chauncey who later got amnestied once the lockout was settled. Donnie Walsh cease to have a GM role June of 2011, so in that short time Glenn Grunwald's moves led to: Tyson Chandler(Defensive Player of the Year), JR Smith, Jeremy Lin, Steve Novak, Jason Kidd, Marcus Camby, Kurt Thomas, Raymond Felton, Pablo Prigioni, Ronnie Brewer
Pretty good haul considering the hefty contracts of Amare and Melo.
You have it wrong; Walsh was not against trading for Melo, getting a superstar was his priority from day 1, Walsh was against trading all those assets + picks for Melo which is a totally different story. Once the Knicks amnestied Billups, they were under the cap again and they used that money on Chandler’s 14 million contract (see they had cap flexibility). Ask yourself this question, had the Knicks remained with 80 million in payroll; With the exception of Lin & Novak (Picked of wavers list) how would the Knicks acquired the rest of the players above? Please consider the HUGE Tax penalties that they would pay today, for been way over the cap.
Walsh was reluctant to part with the asset+picks, correct. So Dolan took over negotiations at the point, so Melo wouldn't sign with NJ/Brooklyn. After that trade, Walsh had no other involvement with the Knicks past June 2011, it was all Grunwald at that point.
ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:So the Grunwald Era is considered a failure already? You think Dolan would push out Grunwald and Woody, they have great synergy and toe the company line, yet still make sound basketball decisions. The Grunwald/Woody era just begun last year. If they have great success together, you think it's a forgone conclusion Dolan whacks both of them just like that?Yes, if they interfere in Dolan’s agenda both will be gone, even if they are successful and have the support of the fans. Just look at Donnie Walsh, he cleared the big mess they Knicks were in for the past decade (under Dolan) and wasn’t brought back. Isiah Thomas created one of the most depressing eras in recent Knicks history and he still roaming the Garden as an unofficial consultant. Go figure that out.
Now that's just theorycraft. Is Isaiah really a consultant or is that something "you think"? Walsh cleared most of the mess, but he also wasn't a complete Guardian Angel. Drafting Jordan Hill was terrible, then on top of that shipping off Hill with a 2012 1st rd draft pick for the earthly remains of Tracy McGrady's expiring contract was beyond terrible. Then completely booting 2010 Free Agency for Lebron and being forced to outbid against himself to sign "Amare Stoudemire" to come away with some consolation prize. Walsh was good, not completely the errorless saint alot make him out to be.
You are in the wrong sport if you think you will find a completely errorless GM in the NBA, not even the great Jerry West (remember his Memphis days) or Pat Riley (offering $100 million to Juwan Howard before the NBA annulled that deal) were perfect. Donnie Walsh has been our best GM for the past 15 years and Dolan should have left him finished what he started.
What success did Walsh really have though? He did a good job clearing cap space for 2010, but the results never shown on the floor. I think his hand picked teams only had 1 winning season right(42-40)? I still don't see this "greatness" during his time with NY.
Clearing NY cap space was considered an almost impossible task by many in the NBA, since we were so far over it, with no player expiring soon at that time. Also remember that usually clearing out cap space means rebuilding/retooling and taking less talent with fewer years in their contract. So no, I was not expecting a playoff berth for the first two years at least, unless somehow Walsh had managed to trade Eddy Curry's huge contract for a superstar at that time, which never was going to happen. If you don’t think Donnie Walsh did a good job, I can respect that, but as fans we also have to be realistic with the situation he had at that time and personally I think he did very good.
I can agree with the cap clearing part, yes. Walsh was good, I admit it. Personally, I think Grunwald has done more in the last 2 seasons than Walsh did in 4.
That’s because Walsh already did the hardest part, which was to create cap space room for Granwald to sign those players, if we had remained wayyyyy over the cap like before, Chandler wouldn’t be here today even if we had amnesty Billups, because we would still be over the cap. Also, some of the player we just signed wouldn’t be here either, since we will probably pay three times as much (including tax penalties) under the new CBA, however today, that’s not our concern because we are under the luxury tax line, so for the most part they only cost their contracts.
I'm sorry but Walsh clearing cap has nothing to do with Chandler being here. Chandler being here is because Dolan forced Walsh to make the trade for Melo which Walsh was against, which brought over Chauncey who later got amnestied once the lockout was settled. Donnie Walsh cease to have a GM role June of 2011, so in that short time Glenn Grunwald's moves led to: Tyson Chandler(Defensive Player of the Year), JR Smith, Jeremy Lin, Steve Novak, Jason Kidd, Marcus Camby, Kurt Thomas, Raymond Felton, Pablo Prigioni, Ronnie Brewer
Pretty good haul considering the hefty contracts of Amare and Melo.
You have it wrong; Walsh was not against trading for Melo, getting a superstar was his priority from day 1, Walsh was against trading all those assets + picks for Melo which is a totally different story. Once the Knicks amnestied Billups, they were under the cap again and they used that money on Chandler’s 14 million contract (see they had cap flexibility). Ask yourself this question, had the Knicks remained with 80 million in payroll; With the exception of Lin & Novak (Picked of wavers list) how would the Knicks acquired the rest of the players above? Please consider the HUGE Tax penalties that they would pay today, for been way over the cap.
Walsh was reluctant to part with the asset+picks, correct. So Dolan took over negotiations at the point, so Melo wouldn't sign with NJ/Brooklyn. After that trade, Walsh had no other involvement with the Knicks past June 2011, it was all Grunwald at that point.
Yes, I agree that after Donnie left, Grunwald has done a very good job of finding and signing good players (with the previously created cap flexibility) to finish rebuilding the Knicks. However lucky for him that he never had to deal with the BIG TASK of unloading Eddy Curry, Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, Stephon Marbury, Quentin Richardson, Zach Randolph and Malik Rose’s contracts. Walsh DID.
KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:So the Grunwald Era is considered a failure already? You think Dolan would push out Grunwald and Woody, they have great synergy and toe the company line, yet still make sound basketball decisions. The Grunwald/Woody era just begun last year. If they have great success together, you think it's a forgone conclusion Dolan whacks both of them just like that?Yes, if they interfere in Dolan’s agenda both will be gone, even if they are successful and have the support of the fans. Just look at Donnie Walsh, he cleared the big mess they Knicks were in for the past decade (under Dolan) and wasn’t brought back. Isiah Thomas created one of the most depressing eras in recent Knicks history and he still roaming the Garden as an unofficial consultant. Go figure that out.
Now that's just theorycraft. Is Isaiah really a consultant or is that something "you think"? Walsh cleared most of the mess, but he also wasn't a complete Guardian Angel. Drafting Jordan Hill was terrible, then on top of that shipping off Hill with a 2012 1st rd draft pick for the earthly remains of Tracy McGrady's expiring contract was beyond terrible. Then completely booting 2010 Free Agency for Lebron and being forced to outbid against himself to sign "Amare Stoudemire" to come away with some consolation prize. Walsh was good, not completely the errorless saint alot make him out to be.
You are in the wrong sport if you think you will find a completely errorless GM in the NBA, not even the great Jerry West (remember his Memphis days) or Pat Riley (offering $100 million to Juwan Howard before the NBA annulled that deal) were perfect. Donnie Walsh has been our best GM for the past 15 years and Dolan should have left him finished what he started.
What success did Walsh really have though? He did a good job clearing cap space for 2010, but the results never shown on the floor. I think his hand picked teams only had 1 winning season right(42-40)? I still don't see this "greatness" during his time with NY.
Clearing NY cap space was considered an almost impossible task by many in the NBA, since we were so far over it, with no player expiring soon at that time. Also remember that usually clearing out cap space means rebuilding/retooling and taking less talent with fewer years in their contract. So no, I was not expecting a playoff berth for the first two years at least, unless somehow Walsh had managed to trade Eddy Curry's huge contract for a superstar at that time, which never was going to happen. If you don’t think Donnie Walsh did a good job, I can respect that, but as fans we also have to be realistic with the situation he had at that time and personally I think he did very good.
I can agree with the cap clearing part, yes. Walsh was good, I admit it. Personally, I think Grunwald has done more in the last 2 seasons than Walsh did in 4.
That’s because Walsh already did the hardest part, which was to create cap space room for Granwald to sign those players, if we had remained wayyyyy over the cap like before, Chandler wouldn’t be here today even if we had amnesty Billups, because we would still be over the cap. Also, some of the player we just signed wouldn’t be here either, since we will probably pay three times as much (including tax penalties) under the new CBA, however today, that’s not our concern because we are under the luxury tax line, so for the most part they only cost their contracts.
I'm sorry but Walsh clearing cap has nothing to do with Chandler being here. Chandler being here is because Dolan forced Walsh to make the trade for Melo which Walsh was against, which brought over Chauncey who later got amnestied once the lockout was settled. Donnie Walsh cease to have a GM role June of 2011, so in that short time Glenn Grunwald's moves led to: Tyson Chandler(Defensive Player of the Year), JR Smith, Jeremy Lin, Steve Novak, Jason Kidd, Marcus Camby, Kurt Thomas, Raymond Felton, Pablo Prigioni, Ronnie Brewer
Pretty good haul considering the hefty contracts of Amare and Melo.
You have it wrong; Walsh was not against trading for Melo, getting a superstar was his priority from day 1, Walsh was against trading all those assets + picks for Melo which is a totally different story. Once the Knicks amnestied Billups, they were under the cap again and they used that money on Chandler’s 14 million contract (see they had cap flexibility). Ask yourself this question, had the Knicks remained with 80 million in payroll; With the exception of Lin & Novak (Picked of wavers list) how would the Knicks acquired the rest of the players above? Please consider the HUGE Tax penalties that they would pay today, for been way over the cap.
Walsh was reluctant to part with the asset+picks, correct. So Dolan took over negotiations at the point, so Melo wouldn't sign with NJ/Brooklyn. After that trade, Walsh had no other involvement with the Knicks past June 2011, it was all Grunwald at that point.
Yes, I agree that after Donnie left, Grunwald has done a very good job of finding and signing good players (with the previously created cap flexibility) to finish rebuilding the Knicks. However lucky for him that he never had to deal with the BIG TASK of unloading Eddy Curry, Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, Stephon Marbury, Quentin Richardson, Zach Randolph and Malik Rose’s contracts. Walsh DID.
I am agreement with that Walsh did alot of heavy lifting to get to this point. I also have confidence in the job Grunwald has done and will be doing going forward.
ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:KnicksFE wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:So the Grunwald Era is considered a failure already? You think Dolan would push out Grunwald and Woody, they have great synergy and toe the company line, yet still make sound basketball decisions. The Grunwald/Woody era just begun last year. If they have great success together, you think it's a forgone conclusion Dolan whacks both of them just like that?Yes, if they interfere in Dolan’s agenda both will be gone, even if they are successful and have the support of the fans. Just look at Donnie Walsh, he cleared the big mess they Knicks were in for the past decade (under Dolan) and wasn’t brought back. Isiah Thomas created one of the most depressing eras in recent Knicks history and he still roaming the Garden as an unofficial consultant. Go figure that out.
Now that's just theorycraft. Is Isaiah really a consultant or is that something "you think"? Walsh cleared most of the mess, but he also wasn't a complete Guardian Angel. Drafting Jordan Hill was terrible, then on top of that shipping off Hill with a 2012 1st rd draft pick for the earthly remains of Tracy McGrady's expiring contract was beyond terrible. Then completely booting 2010 Free Agency for Lebron and being forced to outbid against himself to sign "Amare Stoudemire" to come away with some consolation prize. Walsh was good, not completely the errorless saint alot make him out to be.
You are in the wrong sport if you think you will find a completely errorless GM in the NBA, not even the great Jerry West (remember his Memphis days) or Pat Riley (offering $100 million to Juwan Howard before the NBA annulled that deal) were perfect. Donnie Walsh has been our best GM for the past 15 years and Dolan should have left him finished what he started.
What success did Walsh really have though? He did a good job clearing cap space for 2010, but the results never shown on the floor. I think his hand picked teams only had 1 winning season right(42-40)? I still don't see this "greatness" during his time with NY.
Thank you Chuck...Thank you
Bonn1997 wrote:infinitilov100 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Lin is better off being on the Rockets anyway. There's nothing great about working for Dolan and he doesn't need to spend his prime years sharing the ball with Melo. He's much more likely to blossom in Houston. It's a short contract and either Houston will build a good team or he'll be in a position to get a good contract on the team of his choice after 3 years.Bonn1997 I've been reading your posts about the Knicks for a long time now and you never seem to have anything positive about them to say. I think you're a NYETS fan who post here to annoy everyone. Since you're always so disappointed about the Knicks why do you post on the NYETS forums instead.
You may have followed but not closely. I am quite positive towards anyone who earns it (Tyson, Lin briefly). I give credit to anyone who is an efficient, unselfish player too (like Tyson, Lin, Novak, Fields, Billups, Gallo). On a team that wins 1 playoff game a decade, obviously only a small minority of players will have earned my praise, though.
+1, Bonn is no troll. He brings insight, and backs it up with stats. Most of the time.
ramtour420 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:infinitilov100 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Lin is better off being on the Rockets anyway. There's nothing great about working for Dolan and he doesn't need to spend his prime years sharing the ball with Melo. He's much more likely to blossom in Houston. It's a short contract and either Houston will build a good team or he'll be in a position to get a good contract on the team of his choice after 3 years.Bonn1997 I've been reading your posts about the Knicks for a long time now and you never seem to have anything positive about them to say. I think you're a NYETS fan who post here to annoy everyone. Since you're always so disappointed about the Knicks why do you post on the NYETS forums instead.
You may have followed but not closely. I am quite positive towards anyone who earns it (Tyson, Lin briefly). I give credit to anyone who is an efficient, unselfish player too (like Tyson, Lin, Novak, Fields, Billups, Gallo). On a team that wins 1 playoff game a decade, obviously only a small minority of players will have earned my praise, though.+1, Bonn is no troll. He brings insight, and backs it up with stats. Most of the time.
+1
I respect Bonn and enjoy debating with him.
mrKnickShot wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:infinitilov100 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Lin is better off being on the Rockets anyway. There's nothing great about working for Dolan and he doesn't need to spend his prime years sharing the ball with Melo. He's much more likely to blossom in Houston. It's a short contract and either Houston will build a good team or he'll be in a position to get a good contract on the team of his choice after 3 years.Bonn1997 I've been reading your posts about the Knicks for a long time now and you never seem to have anything positive about them to say. I think you're a NYETS fan who post here to annoy everyone. Since you're always so disappointed about the Knicks why do you post on the NYETS forums instead.
You may have followed but not closely. I am quite positive towards anyone who earns it (Tyson, Lin briefly). I give credit to anyone who is an efficient, unselfish player too (like Tyson, Lin, Novak, Fields, Billups, Gallo). On a team that wins 1 playoff game a decade, obviously only a small minority of players will have earned my praise, though.+1, Bonn is no troll. He brings insight, and backs it up with stats. Most of the time.
+1
I respect Bonn and enjoy debating with him.
Dragic, Lin, Barea, possibly Bledsoe, and a few others could all be FA's, so many PG's will be available, when we have cap room in 3 years, so we never know....
Most rookie contracts that show the potential to be an "All Star" like Rubio, will get a extension early unless he never heals properly.