Knicks · Grade James Dolan (page 3)

knickscity wrote:Wonder why the Rangers hasn't looked like the Knicks?

Same owner.

It's because Dolan no longer involves himself; he was pretty fucking terrible from 1997 through the lockout when the Rangers didn't finish .500 or better once. If Dolan took a backseat with the Knicks and let actual basketball people run it we'd be fine.

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:Wonder why the Rangers hasn't looked like the Knicks?

Same owner.

It's because Dolan no longer involves himself; he was pretty fucking terrible from 1997 through the lockout when the Rangers didn't finish .500 or better once. If Dolan took a backseat with the Knicks and let actual basketball people run it we'd be fine.

Exactly. He's hands-off with the Rangers. Not so much with the Knicks.

We needed few stars after Ewing era,

regardless of outcome we cant say he didnt spend $$ regardless of foolish contracts or guys whom can bring Knicks back to backpages
of sports newspapers

You aint winning in this league without 1 or 2 stars

NBA stars dont want to come here for decades, so anything to get stars in Dolan era should be near C - grade
despite Lin leaving Knicks

I understand the Knicks have faced some tough circumstances over the past 11 years but he has basically done everything in his power to derail this franchise at every turn. Combine that with letting Layden and Isiah ruin this franchise and then mismanaging the Donnie era - I just can't give him any grade higher. Maybe an F+ since he did at least hire Donnie (granted it sounds like he was forced to). My biggest reason for the F is I feel the Knicks should be a franchise like the Lakers or the Yankees - they should be perennial contenders. Sure both teams have off years and then they re-load. The stuff that goes on with the Knicks is just insanity and the one constant has been Dolan.

I have read the Knicks are considered the new Clippers - if that's the case we are in deep trouble as long as Dolan is in control.I keep hoping that things will get better, and I do like our off season signings this year. I give that credit to Grunwald though.

arkrud wrote:He deserves to be spit on for the rest of his miserable life.

+1

He should be ashamed for everything he has done. But I just know he sits home with the sense of satisfaction that only a failed daddy's boy who ruins everything he is given in this world can feel.

OasisBU wrote:Had the Donnie, MDA, and Lin stories not ended so poorly I may have graded differently but at this point, even with the Knicks slowly coming back - I give the guy an F.

I understand the Knicks have faced some tough circumstances over the past 11 years but he has basically done everything in his power to derail this franchise at every turn. Combine that with letting Layden and Isiah ruin this franchise and then mismanaging the Donnie era - I just can't give him any grade higher. Maybe an F+ since he did at least hire Donnie (granted it sounds like he was forced to). My biggest reason for the F is I feel the Knicks should be a franchise like the Lakers or the Yankees - they should be perennial contenders. Sure both teams have off years and then they re-load. The stuff that goes on with the Knicks is just insanity and the one constant has been Dolan.

I have read the Knicks are considered the new Clippers - if that's the case we are in deep trouble as long as Dolan is in control.I keep hoping that things will get better, and I do like our off season signings this year. I give that credit to Grunwald though.

They have a history of putting out winning teams, and their fans do not accept pathetic teams.

This team hasn't won since 1973, and as much as folks want to blame Dolan for the current situation, he cannot be blamed for the entire 40 years of losing, and the fact that no one great wants to play for the Knicks.

JamesLin wrote:

knickscity wrote:Wonder why the Rangers hasn't looked like the Knicks?

Same owner.

New York Rangers won in 1994. Ever since Jimmy Dolan took over after 1999, the Rangers looked EXACTLY like the Knicks. Better question would be Wonder why the Rangers hasn't looked like the Devils?

Let me ask U guys a "?". If U owned the Knicks would you not want your voice to be heard. If u were writing checks for 100 million dollars to players would u not want a say of who is getting the money. A lot of u blame him for being over emotional but I see the same thing from everyone on this board. Willing to fork over anything to Lin because U want to have his children. Id bet many of U would do the exact same type of thing if u were in Dolans shoes.

toodarkmark wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Not really worth continually dwelling on just the owner as there is really nothing that can be done. Owners are often only as good/bad as the executives and management they put in place.

NY Giants are considered a well run organization, but Wellington Mara would have received an F grade in the late 60s thru to 1980. He would have received an A or B from then until 1992. The difference? George Young and Bill Parcells.

George Steinbrenner would have gotten an A from 1975 to 1981 with Gabe Paul as one of his early architects. From 82 through 93......an F and a ban from baseball. After that, an A with Gene Michael building a solid foundation of core players while King George was away, combined with bringing in Joe Torre.

Dolan with Isiah and various coaches.......an F. Dolan with Walsh and MDA.....probably a D. Dolan with Grunwald and Woodson, too soon to tell.

So in the history of sports you've found 2 examples of where an owner looked bad for an 11 year stretch and then turned it around. I am not impressed.

Nice try. Took me about thirty seconds to come up with them. Here's another....."James Dolan" as owner of the Rangers....went from a D to a B grade in the past decade. Pretty easy to play the pessimist on a sports forum since athletes & teams generally fail more then succeed ....so you will always have so called data to draw upon to prove any negative point you want to make. Data always looks nice in a vacuum, perhaps you might consider to apply things like situational context, sample size, and outside factors.......instead of basically coming to a conclusion based only on Macro Level negative data.

I very much enjoy your esoteric and eloquent posts Foosballnick, but in the end I don't see Lil' Jimmy Dolan at Ranger's pre-season games giving pounds to the players. He ruined that team over the past 12 years, and finally was hands off enough to end the "must pay big talent" thing and let the GM handle the matters. Oh, and let's not forget when he guaranteed a Stanley Cup appearance in January and angered all the Rangers fans and the coach. The Rangers have succeeded in spite of Dolan and because he does not care enough about Hockey.

But he cares about basketball and the Knicks. But more so, about what it does for him and his image. His insecure, spoiled, and almost childlike deference to his Id reminds me of so many other children of very successful people placed into powerful positions by their Fathers. He needs to be seen as the leader of this group, the head cheese. It fulfills that emptiness that Daddy, women, alcohol, and music never could. He needs to be at pre-seasons games, yucking it up with Amar'e and Melo. Kiss my ring boys, I AM the one paying you.

Standing in the tunnel "Tell me more Isiah, tell me how taking on Anferenee Hardaway's 15 mil a year contract and giving up a 04 and 10 draft pick was a steal for us. Ignore the chants Isiah, they're not real people like you and me. Successful people."

Donnie Walsh gave this team flexibility and a chance to get the best player in the world, and he was shown the door. All Lebron had to do was watch Dolan stutter his way through a prepared speech about playing for the Knicks and knew he was going anywhere but here. Now we have two poorly mismatched superstars, a starting backcourt of Ronnie Brewer and Raymond Felton, and the oldest bench in the NBA ever. The Knick fan in me will root for them. The pragmatist in me will sit there and only wonder why the Knicks had to be stricken with such a joke of a human being, and even after David Stern FORCED him to change his own management, he is still left pulling the strings.

In the end we have a spoiled child of a man in control of our team, and in control of the GM's, and in control of what happens. Team decisions are on his whim because in the end it is not the Knicks we are rooting for, but an extension of James Dolan. That is how he perceives it and as long as that is the case, he gets an F in my book.

goddam brilliant fuckin post!

gunsnewing wrote:

toodarkmark wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Not really worth continually dwelling on just the owner as there is really nothing that can be done. Owners are often only as good/bad as the executives and management they put in place.

NY Giants are considered a well run organization, but Wellington Mara would have received an F grade in the late 60s thru to 1980. He would have received an A or B from then until 1992. The difference? George Young and Bill Parcells.

George Steinbrenner would have gotten an A from 1975 to 1981 with Gabe Paul as one of his early architects. From 82 through 93......an F and a ban from baseball. After that, an A with Gene Michael building a solid foundation of core players while King George was away, combined with bringing in Joe Torre.

Dolan with Isiah and various coaches.......an F. Dolan with Walsh and MDA.....probably a D. Dolan with Grunwald and Woodson, too soon to tell.

So in the history of sports you've found 2 examples of where an owner looked bad for an 11 year stretch and then turned it around. I am not impressed.

Nice try. Took me about thirty seconds to come up with them. Here's another....."James Dolan" as owner of the Rangers....went from a D to a B grade in the past decade. Pretty easy to play the pessimist on a sports forum since athletes & teams generally fail more then succeed ....so you will always have so called data to draw upon to prove any negative point you want to make. Data always looks nice in a vacuum, perhaps you might consider to apply things like situational context, sample size, and outside factors.......instead of basically coming to a conclusion based only on Macro Level negative data.

I very much enjoy your esoteric and eloquent posts Foosballnick, but in the end I don't see Lil' Jimmy Dolan at Ranger's pre-season games giving pounds to the players. He ruined that team over the past 12 years, and finally was hands off enough to end the "must pay big talent" thing and let the GM handle the matters. Oh, and let's not forget when he guaranteed a Stanley Cup appearance in January and angered all the Rangers fans and the coach. The Rangers have succeeded in spite of Dolan and because he does not care enough about Hockey.

But he cares about basketball and the Knicks. But more so, about what it does for him and his image. His insecure, spoiled, and almost childlike deference to his Id reminds me of so many other children of very successful people placed into powerful positions by their Fathers. He needs to be seen as the leader of this group, the head cheese. It fulfills that emptiness that Daddy, women, alcohol, and music never could. He needs to be at pre-seasons games, yucking it up with Amar'e and Melo. Kiss my ring boys, I AM the one paying you.

Standing in the tunnel "Tell me more Isiah, tell me how taking on Anferenee Hardaway's 15 mil a year contract and giving up a 04 and 10 draft pick was a steal for us. Ignore the chants Isiah, they're not real people like you and me. Successful people."

Donnie Walsh gave this team flexibility and a chance to get the best player in the world, and he was shown the door. All Lebron had to do was watch Dolan stutter his way through a prepared speech about playing for the Knicks and knew he was going anywhere but here. Now we have two poorly mismatched superstars, a starting backcourt of Ronnie Brewer and Raymond Felton, and the oldest bench in the NBA ever. The Knick fan in me will root for them. The pragmatist in me will sit there and only wonder why the Knicks had to be stricken with such a joke of a human being, and even after David Stern FORCED him to change his own management, he is still left pulling the strings.

In the end we have a spoiled child of a man in control of our team, and in control of the GM's, and in control of what happens. Team decisions are on his whim because in the end it is not the Knicks we are rooting for, but an extension of James Dolan. That is how he perceives it and as long as that is the case, he gets an F in my book.

goddam brilliant fuckin post!

I agree, we should name them the New York Dolans.

This guy is an absolute embarrassment to the Knicks as an organization and to the NBA. We have a basketball team in the mecca of basketball and had fielded a non playoff contender for 10 years with the highest payroll in basketball. No secret that I am a huge Melo fan but I think had he left Donnie alone to do his thing we may have been able to give up less.

I was never more disgusted in my life as a fan of any team than I was as a Knicks fan during the Zeke years. He allowed Zeke to give out huge contracts like they were candy. Then throw in the sexual harrasment scandal to boot.

Unfortunatelty, I cannot see this team being sold anytime soon. I can only hope that he wakes up one day and realizes that basketball decisions should be left to hisbasketball people. I wonder how long it will be before he steps on Grunwalds toes?

Next up, the Bonn "Grade the Worst Knick Moves of the Last Century" poll.

Guess it's got to beat the "positive things only" threads.

Everyone is entertained by a train wreck and sleazy headlines. SO NOT BORING!

jrodmc wrote:Great. Another neverending pointless bitching thread.

Next up, the Bonn "Grade the Worst Knick Moves of the Last Century" poll.

Guess it's got to beat the "positive things only" threads.

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Great. Another neverending pointless bitching thread.

Next up, the Bonn "Grade the Worst Knick Moves of the Last Century" poll.

Guess it's got to beat the "positive things only" threads.

Pointless = generated 56 replies
It makes sense only in jrodmc land

Neverending = generated 5657 replies (look, i'm helping make your "point"!)
Pointless and generation of replies only equates in BonnWorld.

Sort of like saying LJ is a genius because he keeps having kids.

Dolan is a rich idiot.
Dolan is a rich idiot.
Dolan is a rich idiot.
Dolan is a rich idiot.
check in later, more to come...
get the point?

Bonn1997 wrote:Ah, pointless = "lots of views I disagree with"

Disagree? Where did I post anything that disagrees with any post in this thread?

Pointless - having no point.

Grade James Dolan = Grade the Smell of Shit

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Ah, pointless = "lots of views I disagree with"

Disagree? Where did I post anything that disagrees with any post in this thread?

Pointless - having no point.

Grade James Dolan = Grade the Smell of Shit

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Rangers had a 7 year bad stretch. So that's not the same as our 11 years. I could generously say that is almost your 3rd example in the history of sports though.

It's often common for a forum poster to resort to snide comments or sarcasm when beaten in a debated topic.

It's often common to claim you won a debate when you can't think of anything on topic to say

The interesting is that you seemed to create this thread/poll just to further your I hate Dolan crusade.......not to discuss or debate the topic in any form of rational manner. When presented with alternate evidence that Dolan can show success as an owner, you choose to become sarcastic, apparently since it does not fit your agenda.

The funny thing is that Based on your poll, almost 75% tatted Dolan as a D/F. I suspect the 4 people who graded him as an A/B are just yanking your chain.....so it really is a moot point. You can continue on with this obsession, or choose to think that with a correct management team there is hope.

Just wanted to add another post to your thread to make you feel important, since one of your previous posts indicates you keep tabs on the number of responses you get....LOL.