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The Answer Man Wonders Who Died And Made 50 Per Cent The Benchmark For Excellence?

Q. gunsnewing - I would gladly take 45% from Melo. Where was he last year 43?

A. You are correct. 43, which was percent was below his career average of .456.

Then again his assists (3.6) were ahead of career average of 3.1.

Apparently, playing through pain and dragging his puffy body through 55 games, Carmelo was hitting the open man with slightly more frequency.

jmpasq - Good signs abound in London. Nobody cares about that.

misterearl wrote:The Answer Man Wonders Who Died And Made 50 Per Cent The Benchmark For Excellence?

Q. gunsnewing - I would gladly take 45% from Melo. Where was he last year 43?

A. You are correct. 43, which was percent was below his career average of .456.

Then again his assists (3.6) were ahead of career average of 3.1.

Apparently, playing through pain and dragging his puffy body through 55 games, Carmelo was hitting the open man with slightly more frequency.

Good signs abound in London. Nobody cares about that.

Don't you know Earl, Negativity reigns supreme around here.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I noticed yesterday that no one made a thread. He was great yesterday. Melo along with Westbrook Looked like the best players on the floor.Guy is playing great defense. Even on the FT's he is showing great effort establishing position to get possible rebounds.I think melo is figuring things out.

That could be it or it could be just a random string of good play. I remember after he first joined the Knicks and had a high shooting % (including 40+% from 3 pt range), many said he finally figured things out and has become a much more efficient shooter.

Lol at random string of good play. Dude just lucked into 5 All star games and 5 All NBA Teams. I guess USA Basketball just picked him for the last 3 Olympics because they need the token fat guy too.

Yes, if you equate popularity (all star appearances) with good play, then my arguments will be laughable. The problem is merely with your definition of good play.

.456% IS Pretty damn good for a guy who scores from anywhere on the floor. And would be even higher once he figures out when to pass and not force as many shots. Which he said he wants to do when he was talking about moving the ball and movong without the ball more. Not expecting Lebron like efficiency but just a little of that will make a world of defense. Keep the defense om their toes again 46% for a career is veryvgood. H20 was at 43%

I would never compare melo and reggie. Apples and oranges. One guy was one of the best sharpshooters the leagues wver seen while melo plays a lot bigger and is the quintesential SF. Just has to keep working on defense and passing to become great.

Im in the middle on Melo. In order for him to lead the Knicks to greatness he is going to have to take his game to the next level but he has all the tools and we saw it at times last year with his D and 3.6 assists. Just have to do it on a consistent basis.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I noticed yesterday that no one made a thread. He was great yesterday. Melo along with Westbrook Looked like the best players on the floor.Guy is playing great defense. Even on the FT's he is showing great effort establishing position to get possible rebounds.I think melo is figuring things out.

That could be it or it could be just a random string of good play. I remember after he first joined the Knicks and had a high shooting % (including 40+% from 3 pt range), many said he finally figured things out and has become a much more efficient shooter.

Lol at random string of good play. Dude just lucked into 5 All star games and 5 All NBA Teams. I guess USA Basketball just picked him for the last 3 Olympics because they need the token fat guy too.

Yes, if you equate popularity (all star appearances) with good play, then my arguments will be laughable. The problem is merely with your definition of good play.

Of course you know more than the experts that pick him for All NBA every year, Bonn. I hope you know the difference between All NBA vs All Star appearances. Your genius is all encompassing when it comes to judging good play.

gunsnewing wrote:.456% IS Pretty damn good for a guy who scores from anywhere on the floor. And would be even higher once he figures out when to pass and not force as many shots. Which he said he wants to do when he was talking about moving the ball and movong without the ball more. Not expecting Lebron like efficiency but just a little of that will make a world of defense. Keep the defense om their toes again 46% for a career is veryvgood. H20 was at 43%

.456 is pretty damn average. It doesn't matter where you score from - with the caveat that 3s are obviously more valuable than 2s.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I noticed yesterday that no one made a thread. He was great yesterday. Melo along with Westbrook Looked like the best players on the floor.Guy is playing great defense. Even on the FT's he is showing great effort establishing position to get possible rebounds.I think melo is figuring things out.

That could be it or it could be just a random string of good play. I remember after he first joined the Knicks and had a high shooting % (including 40+% from 3 pt range), many said he finally figured things out and has become a much more efficient shooter.

Lol at random string of good play. Dude just lucked into 5 All star games and 5 All NBA Teams. I guess USA Basketball just picked him for the last 3 Olympics because they need the token fat guy too.

Yes, if you equate popularity (all star appearances) with good play, then my arguments will be laughable. The problem is merely with your definition of good play.

Of course you know more than the experts that pick him for All NBA every year, Bonn. I hope you know the difference between All NBA vs All Star appearances. Your genius is all encompassing when it comes to judging good play.

I don't claim to know more than the experts. We just disagree on who the experts are. You claim lay fans are the experts (since they vote on all-star appearances and all-star appearances are what you cite as evidence of success). I know much less than experts like Bill James and David Berri. Ironically you claim to know more than these experts.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I noticed yesterday that no one made a thread. He was great yesterday. Melo along with Westbrook Looked like the best players on the floor.Guy is playing great defense. Even on the FT's he is showing great effort establishing position to get possible rebounds.I think melo is figuring things out.

That could be it or it could be just a random string of good play. I remember after he first joined the Knicks and had a high shooting % (including 40+% from 3 pt range), many said he finally figured things out and has become a much more efficient shooter.

Lol at random string of good play. Dude just lucked into 5 All star games and 5 All NBA Teams. I guess USA Basketball just picked him for the last 3 Olympics because they need the token fat guy too.

Yes, if you equate popularity (all star appearances) with good play, then my arguments will be laughable. The problem is merely with your definition of good play.

Of course you know more than the experts that pick him for All NBA every year, Bonn. I hope you know the difference between All NBA vs All Star appearances. Your genius is all encompassing when it comes to judging good play.

I don't claim to know more than the experts. We just disagree on who the experts are. I know much less than experts like Bill James and David Berri. Ironically you claim to know more than these experts.

So you're giving no validity to the All NBA Team?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Tea...

It's just a bunch of scrubs they throw in there?

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I noticed yesterday that no one made a thread. He was great yesterday. Melo along with Westbrook Looked like the best players on the floor.Guy is playing great defense. Even on the FT's he is showing great effort establishing position to get possible rebounds.I think melo is figuring things out.

That could be it or it could be just a random string of good play. I remember after he first joined the Knicks and had a high shooting % (including 40+% from 3 pt range), many said he finally figured things out and has become a much more efficient shooter.

Lol at random string of good play. Dude just lucked into 5 All star games and 5 All NBA Teams. I guess USA Basketball just picked him for the last 3 Olympics because they need the token fat guy too.

Yes, if you equate popularity (all star appearances) with good play, then my arguments will be laughable. The problem is merely with your definition of good play.

Of course you know more than the experts that pick him for All NBA every year, Bonn. I hope you know the difference between All NBA vs All Star appearances. Your genius is all encompassing when it comes to judging good play.

I don't claim to know more than the experts. We just disagree on who the experts are. I know much less than experts like Bill James and David Berri. Ironically you claim to know more than these experts.

So you're giving no validity to the All NBA Team?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Tea...

It's just a bunch of scrubs they throw in there?

I'd give a little validity to it. There is a correlation between intuitive assessment (which is what all-star appearances and the like are based on) and actual contribution to wins. So any awards based solely on intuition will not be entirely arbitrary; they'll be moderately connected to the player's contribution to wins. They'll also suffer from all the limitations and biases of intuition, though.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I noticed yesterday that no one made a thread. He was great yesterday. Melo along with Westbrook Looked like the best players on the floor.Guy is playing great defense. Even on the FT's he is showing great effort establishing position to get possible rebounds.I think melo is figuring things out.

That could be it or it could be just a random string of good play. I remember after he first joined the Knicks and had a high shooting % (including 40+% from 3 pt range), many said he finally figured things out and has become a much more efficient shooter.

Lol at random string of good play. Dude just lucked into 5 All star games and 5 All NBA Teams. I guess USA Basketball just picked him for the last 3 Olympics because they need the token fat guy too.

Yes, if you equate popularity (all star appearances) with good play, then my arguments will be laughable. The problem is merely with your definition of good play.

Of course you know more than the experts that pick him for All NBA every year, Bonn. I hope you know the difference between All NBA vs All Star appearances. Your genius is all encompassing when it comes to judging good play.

I don't claim to know more than the experts. We just disagree on who the experts are. You claim lay fans are the experts (since they vote on all-star appearances and all-star appearances are what you cite as evidence of success). I know much less than experts like Bill James and David Berri. Ironically you claim to kMelo would average 50% if he stayed around the basket all the time. It is not his rolenow more than these experts.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I noticed yesterday that no one made a thread. He was great yesterday. Melo along with Westbrook Looked like the best players on the floor.Guy is playing great defense. Even on the FT's he is showing great effort establishing position to get possible rebounds.I think melo is figuring things out.

That could be it or it could be just a random string of good play. I remember after he first joined the Knicks and had a high shooting % (including 40+% from 3 pt range), many said he finally figured things out and has become a much more efficient shooter.

Lol at random string of good play. Dude just lucked into 5 All star games and 5 All NBA Teams. I guess USA Basketball just picked him for the last 3 Olympics because they need the token fat guy too.

Yes, if you equate popularity (all star appearances) with good play, then my arguments will be laughable. The problem is merely with your definition of good play.

Of course you know more than the experts that pick him for All NBA every year, Bonn. I hope you know the difference between All NBA vs All Star appearances. Your genius is all encompassing when it comes to judging good play.

I don't claim to know more than the experts. We just disagree on who the experts are. I know much less than experts like Bill James and David Berri. Ironically you claim to know more than these experts.

So you're giving no validity to the All NBA Team?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Tea...

It's just a bunch of scrubs they throw in there?

I'd give a little validity to it. There is a correlation between intuitive assessment (which is what all-star appearances and the like are based on) and actual contribution to wins. So any awards based solely on intuition will not be entirely arbitrarily; they'll be moderately connected to the player's contribution to wins. They'll also suffer from all the limitations and biases of intuition, though.

Huh? Did you even read the link I sent you? It's the All NBA Team not the All Star Team. I severely overestimated your amount of basketball knowledge. All NBA is based on stats, not popularity. It's the very best at each position. Guess I have to spell things out for you, Boston Bill James.

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I noticed yesterday that no one made a thread. He was great yesterday. Melo along with Westbrook Looked like the best players on the floor.Guy is playing great defense. Even on the FT's he is showing great effort establishing position to get possible rebounds.I think melo is figuring things out.

That could be it or it could be just a random string of good play. I remember after he first joined the Knicks and had a high shooting % (including 40+% from 3 pt range), many said he finally figured things out and has become a much more efficient shooter.

Lol at random string of good play. Dude just lucked into 5 All star games and 5 All NBA Teams. I guess USA Basketball just picked him for the last 3 Olympics because they need the token fat guy too.

Yes, if you equate popularity (all star appearances) with good play, then my arguments will be laughable. The problem is merely with your definition of good play.

Of course you know more than the experts that pick him for All NBA every year, Bonn. I hope you know the difference between All NBA vs All Star appearances. Your genius is all encompassing when it comes to judging good play.

I don't claim to know more than the experts. We just disagree on who the experts are. You claim lay fans are the experts (since they vote on all-star appearances and all-star appearances are what you cite as evidence of success). I know much less than experts like Bill James and David Berri. Ironically you claim to kMelo would average 50% if he stayed around the basket all the time. It is not his rolenow more than these experts.

I know the difference but didn't think it necessary to cite all-nba too. You apparently don't know how to quote though.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I noticed yesterday that no one made a thread. He was great yesterday. Melo along with Westbrook Looked like the best players on the floor.Guy is playing great defense. Even on the FT's he is showing great effort establishing position to get possible rebounds.I think melo is figuring things out.

That could be it or it could be just a random string of good play. I remember after he first joined the Knicks and had a high shooting % (including 40+% from 3 pt range), many said he finally figured things out and has become a much more efficient shooter.

Lol at random string of good play. Dude just lucked into 5 All star games and 5 All NBA Teams. I guess USA Basketball just picked him for the last 3 Olympics because they need the token fat guy too.

Yes, if you equate popularity (all star appearances) with good play, then my arguments will be laughable. The problem is merely with your definition of good play.

Of course you know more than the experts that pick him for All NBA every year, Bonn. I hope you know the difference between All NBA vs All Star appearances. Your genius is all encompassing when it comes to judging good play.

I don't claim to know more than the experts. We just disagree on who the experts are. I know much less than experts like Bill James and David Berri. Ironically you claim to know more than these experts.

So you're giving no validity to the All NBA Team?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Tea...

It's just a bunch of scrubs they throw in there?

I'd give a little validity to it. There is a correlation between intuitive assessment (which is what all-star appearances and the like are based on) and actual contribution to wins. So any awards based solely on intuition will not be entirely arbitrarily; they'll be moderately connected to the player's contribution to wins. They'll also suffer from all the limitations and biases of intuition, though.

Huh? Did you even read the link I sent you? It's the All NBA Team not the All Star Team. I severely overestimated your amount of basketball knowledge. All NBA is based on stats, not popularity. It's the very best at each position. Guess I have to spell things out for you, Boston Bill James.

All-nba team is based on popularity, which derives from intuition. Then those intuitive assessments are statistically added to determine votes. You have not removed intuition and its inherent limitations from the analysis.

Posting on an android sux

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I noticed yesterday that no one made a thread. He was great yesterday. Melo along with Westbrook Looked like the best players on the floor.Guy is playing great defense. Even on the FT's he is showing great effort establishing position to get possible rebounds.I think melo is figuring things out.

That could be it or it could be just a random string of good play. I remember after he first joined the Knicks and had a high shooting % (including 40+% from 3 pt range), many said he finally figured things out and has become a much more efficient shooter.

Lol at random string of good play. Dude just lucked into 5 All star games and 5 All NBA Teams. I guess USA Basketball just picked him for the last 3 Olympics because they need the token fat guy too.

Yes, if you equate popularity (all star appearances) with good play, then my arguments will be laughable. The problem is merely with your definition of good play.

Of course you know more than the experts that pick him for All NBA every year, Bonn. I hope you know the difference between All NBA vs All Star appearances. Your genius is all encompassing when it comes to judging good play.

I don't claim to know more than the experts. We just disagree on who the experts are. I know much less than experts like Bill James and David Berri. Ironically you claim to know more than these experts.

So you're giving no validity to the All NBA Team?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Tea...

It's just a bunch of scrubs they throw in there?

I'd give a little validity to it. There is a correlation between intuitive assessment (which is what all-star appearances and the like are based on) and actual contribution to wins. So any awards based solely on intuition will not be entirely arbitrarily; they'll be moderately connected to the player's contribution to wins. They'll also suffer from all the limitations and biases of intuition, though.

Huh? Did you even read the link I sent you? It's the All NBA Team not the All Star Team. I severely overestimated your amount of basketball knowledge. All NBA is based on stats, not popularity. It's the very best at each position. Guess I have to spell things out for you, Boston Bill James.

All-nba team is based on popularity, which derives from intuition. Then those intuitive assessments are statistically added to determine votes. You have not removed intuition and its inherent limitations from the analysis.

Likewise, the awards do not utilize any scientifically defensible statistical analysis.

ChuckBuck wrote:

misterearl wrote:The Answer Man Wonders Who Died And Made 50 Per Cent The Benchmark For Excellence?

Q. gunsnewing - I would gladly take 45% from Melo. Where was he last year 43?

A. You are correct. 43, which was percent was below his career average of .456.

Then again his assists (3.6) were ahead of career average of 3.1.

Apparently, playing through pain and dragging his puffy body through 55 games, Carmelo was hitting the open man with slightly more frequency.

Good signs abound in London. Nobody cares about that.

Don't you know Earl, Negativity reigns supreme around here.

nobody is being negative but the Melo lovers. The dude is NOT effecient enough, and its a big reason his teams have failed in the post season. Most agree Melo needs to be a better team player and move the ball. The simple question is if this will be the year.

gunsnewing wrote:Posting on an android sux

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I noticed yesterday that no one made a thread. He was great yesterday. Melo along with Westbrook Looked like the best players on the floor.Guy is playing great defense. Even on the FT's he is showing great effort establishing position to get possible rebounds.I think melo is figuring things out.

That could be it or it could be just a random string of good play. I remember after he first joined the Knicks and had a high shooting % (including 40+% from 3 pt range), many said he finally figured things out and has become a much more efficient shooter.

Lol at random string of good play. Dude just lucked into 5 All star games and 5 All NBA Teams. I guess USA Basketball just picked him for the last 3 Olympics because they need the token fat guy too.

Yes, if you equate popularity (all star appearances) with good play, then my arguments will be laughable. The problem is merely with your definition of good play.

Of course you know more than the experts that pick him for All NBA every year, Bonn. I hope you know the difference between All NBA vs All Star appearances. Your genius is all encompassing when it comes to judging good play.

I don't claim to know more than the experts. We just disagree on who the experts are. I know much less than experts like Bill James and David Berri. Ironically you claim to know more than these experts.

So you're giving no validity to the All NBA Team?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Tea...

It's just a bunch of scrubs they throw in there?

I'd give a little validity to it. There is a correlation between intuitive assessment (which is what all-star appearances and the like are based on) and actual contribution to wins. So any awards based solely on intuition will not be entirely arbitrarily; they'll be moderately connected to the player's contribution to wins. They'll also suffer from all the limitations and biases of intuition, though.

Huh? Did you even read the link I sent you? It's the All NBA Team not the All Star Team. I severely overestimated your amount of basketball knowledge. All NBA is based on stats, not popularity. It's the very best at each position. Guess I have to spell things out for you, Boston Bill James.

All-nba team is based on popularity, which derives from intuition. Then those intuitive assessments are statistically added to determine votes. You have not removed intuition and its inherent limitations from the analysis.

Likewise, the awards do not utilize any scientifically defensible statistical analysis.

The All-NBA Team is an annual National Basketball Association (NBA) honor bestowed on the best players in the league following every NBA season. The voting is conducted by a panel of sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada. The team has been selected in every season of the league's existence, dating back to its inaugural season in 1946. The All-NBA Team originally had two teams, but since 1988 it is composed of three five-man lineups a first, second, and third team, typically comprising a total of 15 roster spots.

So basically you're saying the All NBA Team means diddly squat, and that you know more than all the people that cover the sport for a living?

So basically you're saying the All NBA Team means diddly squat

No, see comment about intuition correlating with validated forms of assessment

that you know more than all the people that cover the sport for a living?

No, only some of them. And so are you.

Bonn1997 wrote:

So basically you're saying the All NBA Team means diddly squat

No, see comment about intuition correlating with validated forms of assessment

that you know more than all the people that cover the sport for a living?

No, only some of them. And so are you.

I've never heard of the All Validated Statistical Analysis NBA Team. As far as I'm concerned, "All NBA" is pretty legitimate as a barometer of greatness akin to the "All Pro" is to the NFL. Both usually mirror what happens out there on the court or field. I'm not sure that these people that cover the sport have been wrong 5 times. It's more likely that your statistical based opinions are more likely off base than experts and writers with decades of experience getting it wrong 5 times.