Knicks · That damn woodson has got it made, did he really make MDA look bad (page 9)
mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:Coach Eric Spoelstra’s new offensive philosophy, termed the “pace and space,” is already paying dividends. When you feature two of the NBA’s best players, it only makes sense to intensify your attack and maximize offensive opportunities.Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-28/sports/30564133_1_nba-jam-james-and-wade-video-game#ixzz23Rk4RVqE
Spoelstra is a good, smart coach, and I give him credit for tweaking the Heat’s early offense this season by incorporating a three-man pick-and-roll game on either side of the floor on semi-transition possessions when no set play has been called.http://www.spoelstraheat.com/tag/mike-d%...Only two other teams in the league have run such an action this season: the Knicks, when they were coached by Mike D’Antoni, and the Suns, who still run his offense.
With Stoudemire out for Game 3 (and according to the Knicks, likely beyond that), New York is expected to spread the floor more often and play a more perimeter-oriented lineup, with Carmelo Anthony switching from small forward to power forward. That puts the onus on the Heat to stick close to the Knicks’ three-point shooters.“That is exactly what we do,” Heat forward Chris Bosh said. “We have the speed, we have the IQ to chase those guys down.”
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/03/2780434/miami-heat-expects-spread-offense.html#storylink=cpy
So my assumption was correct.
Though, good data to back it up Nixluva
MDA definitely has a good offensive mind. My only issue with it was: If you don't have the horses to run your "system" then you have to be willing to switch it up. I felt that MDA would not / will not change his system based on personnel as Pat Riley has done with the Lakers, Knicks and Heat.
no it wasn't, not close. Nix did not attribute Miami's sucess with MDA, just pointed out similarities. Big difference.
mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:Coach Eric Spoelstra’s new offensive philosophy, termed the “pace and space,” is already paying dividends. When you feature two of the NBA’s best players, it only makes sense to intensify your attack and maximize offensive opportunities.Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-28/sports/30564133_1_nba-jam-james-and-wade-video-game#ixzz23Rk4RVqE
Spoelstra is a good, smart coach, and I give him credit for tweaking the Heat’s early offense this season by incorporating a three-man pick-and-roll game on either side of the floor on semi-transition possessions when no set play has been called.http://www.spoelstraheat.com/tag/mike-d%...Only two other teams in the league have run such an action this season: the Knicks, when they were coached by Mike D’Antoni, and the Suns, who still run his offense.
With Stoudemire out for Game 3 (and according to the Knicks, likely beyond that), New York is expected to spread the floor more often and play a more perimeter-oriented lineup, with Carmelo Anthony switching from small forward to power forward. That puts the onus on the Heat to stick close to the Knicks’ three-point shooters.“That is exactly what we do,” Heat forward Chris Bosh said. “We have the speed, we have the IQ to chase those guys down.”
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/03/2780434/miami-heat-expects-spread-offense.html#storylink=cpy
So my assumption was correct.
Though, good data to back it up Nixluva
MDA definitely has a good offensive mind. My only issue with it was: If you don't have the horses to run your "system" then you have to be willing to switch it up. I felt that MDA would not / will not change his system based on personnel as Pat Riley has done with the Lakers, Knicks and Heat.
What has been most frustrating for me over the years and why i've defended MDA is that i've never held him out to be the best ALL AROUND NBA coach. He's a system guy, but when you hire him you KNOW that he's a system guy and what he needs to run that system. There's almost not excuse for a team to hire this man and not give him what he needs to be successful.
Over the years i've pointed out that when the Knicks actually gave him a decent PG that was able to run a PnR, push the ball, penetrate and make good passes, his offense was very successful. Felton and Lin being the best examples. There's no excuse for the fact that he's had decent PG's for less then 82 games of the nearly 4 years he was here.
People knock his defense, but that defense we saw last year WAS MDA's DEFENSE!!! Woody didn't come here with some different defensive scheme that he employed all year and after MDA left. He may have tweaked it, but the overall system was what MDA has always used. Only this time with a DPOY to anchor it and a perimeter defender like Shump to help extend it. His PHX teams were never horrible on D. They just lacked a defensive anchor to make it all work.
During Linsanity we saw what MDA could do with less talent, but a willing team, decent PG that fit what he does and a defensive group featuring Tyson, Shump & Jared. It was very successful despite a lack of shooting and depth. The thought was that Melo couldn't excel playing the way MDA wanted him to and yet we see that he did in fact excel doing that with the Olympic team and he actually did well in his 1st yr with the Knicks playing that kind of role. MDA isn't the best coach in the NBA, but he's proven that he can help teams win if you work with him rather than against him.
Linsanity did not prove anything other than the fact that Lin is a good player. The schedule was awful.
The fact that he is a system guy and cannot adjust is a large blemish since many really good coaches are adaptable
Why did the Knicks hire Woody? Why did PHX want MDA to hire a defensive coach? And, who says that the defensive philosophy did not change under Woody from the beginning of the season? I though I saw a change in philosophy.
nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:Coach Eric Spoelstra’s new offensive philosophy, termed the “pace and space,” is already paying dividends. When you feature two of the NBA’s best players, it only makes sense to intensify your attack and maximize offensive opportunities.Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-28/sports/30564133_1_nba-jam-james-and-wade-video-game#ixzz23Rk4RVqE
Spoelstra is a good, smart coach, and I give him credit for tweaking the Heat’s early offense this season by incorporating a three-man pick-and-roll game on either side of the floor on semi-transition possessions when no set play has been called.http://www.spoelstraheat.com/tag/mike-d%...Only two other teams in the league have run such an action this season: the Knicks, when they were coached by Mike D’Antoni, and the Suns, who still run his offense.
With Stoudemire out for Game 3 (and according to the Knicks, likely beyond that), New York is expected to spread the floor more often and play a more perimeter-oriented lineup, with Carmelo Anthony switching from small forward to power forward. That puts the onus on the Heat to stick close to the Knicks’ three-point shooters.“That is exactly what we do,” Heat forward Chris Bosh said. “We have the speed, we have the IQ to chase those guys down.”
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/03/2780434/miami-heat-expects-spread-offense.html#storylink=cpy
So my assumption was correct.
Though, good data to back it up Nixluva
MDA definitely has a good offensive mind. My only issue with it was: If you don't have the horses to run your "system" then you have to be willing to switch it up. I felt that MDA would not / will not change his system based on personnel as Pat Riley has done with the Lakers, Knicks and Heat.
What has been most frustrating for me over the years and why i've defended MDA is that i've never held him out to be the best ALL AROUND NBA coach. He's a system guy, but when you hire him you KNOW that he's a system guy and what he needs to run that system. There's almost not excuse for a team to hire this man and not give him what he needs to be successful.
Over the years i've pointed out that when the Knicks actually gave him a decent PG that was able to run a PnR, push the ball, penetrate and make good passes, his offense was very successful. Felton and Lin being the best examples. There's no excuse for the fact that he's had decent PG's for less then 82 games of the nearly 4 years he was here.
People knock his defense, but that defense we saw last year WAS MDA's DEFENSE!!! Woody didn't come here with some different defensive scheme that he employed all year and after MDA left. He may have tweaked it, but the overall system was what MDA has always used. Only this time with a DPOY to anchor it and a perimeter defender like Shump to help extend it. His PHX teams were never horrible on D. They just lacked a defensive anchor to make it all work.
During Linsanity we saw what MDA could do with less talent, but a willing team, decent PG that fit what he does and a defensive group featuring Tyson, Shump & Jared. It was very successful despite a lack of shooting and depth. The thought was that Melo couldn't excel playing the way MDA wanted him to and yet we see that he did in fact excel doing that with the Olympic team and he actually did well in his 1st yr with the Knicks playing that kind of role. MDA isn't the best coach in the NBA, but he's proven that he can help teams win if you work with him rather than against him.
Nix, good take but a word of advice: Your not going to convince the few no matter what proof you bring. ITs ok to have your view and its one I pretty much share but arguing it is redundant. The same retort on how MDA could/would not adapt. Hes not "riles" so he ain't shit.
Until he wins a championship he won't get his due. Took Larry Brown not just an NCAA championship but an NBA one in Detroit to solidify his career.
I think with the right roster MDA SSOL is a fun thing to watch. I hope he lands a good job and gets a chance to prove himself.
Just so long as his success is not in conflict with the Knicks!
mrKnickShot wrote:Nixluva,Linsanity did not prove anything other than the fact that Lin is a good player. The schedule was awful.
The fact that he is a system guy and cannot adjust is a large blemish since many really good coaches are adaptable
Why did the Knicks hire Woody? Why did PHX want MDA to hire a defensive coach? And, who says that the defensive philosophy did not change under Woody from the beginning of the season? I though I saw a change in philosophy.
That point has gotten exaggerated more by the week. The schedule during that stretch was just slightly easier than our season schedule (winning percentage in the low .400s vs. mid .400s)
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Nixluva,Linsanity did not prove anything other than the fact that Lin is a good player. The schedule was awful.
The fact that he is a system guy and cannot adjust is a large blemish since many really good coaches are adaptable
Why did the Knicks hire Woody? Why did PHX want MDA to hire a defensive coach? And, who says that the defensive philosophy did not change under Woody from the beginning of the season? I though I saw a change in philosophy.
That point has gotten exaggerated more by the week. The schedule during that stretch was just slightly easier than our season schedule (winning percentage in the low .400s vs. mid .400s)
The difference was .059 to be exact (.425 vs. .484)
mrKnickShot wrote:Nixluva,Linsanity did not prove anything other than the fact that Lin is a good player. The schedule was awful.
The fact that he is a system guy and cannot adjust is a large blemish since many really good coaches are adaptable
Why did the Knicks hire Woody? Why did PHX want MDA to hire a defensive coach? And, who says that the defensive philosophy did not change under Woody from the beginning of the season? I though I saw a change in philosophy.
Once again I must use my powers to debunk a post against what i've stated. The schedule was not the important aspect of what happened during the whole Linsanity thing and it wasn't just the fact that Lin was a good player that explains what happened.
For one thing during that stretch the team was playing minus it's biggest scoring talents and with less overall depth than at anytime during the season. The big secret was the defense.
“Linsanity” has become an international phenomenon, dominating headlines from Brooklyn to Beijing.However, as remarkable and incredible as the Jeremy Lin story has been, it isn’t the sole reason the Knicks are surging and climbing up the Eastern Conference standings. With Lin getting unprecedented coverage and heaps of credit, the other ingredients that have played a part in the recent success enjoyed by the Knicks seemed to have received short shrift. In particular, New York’s markedly improved defense has been essential to their recent run.
Long a sore spot for Mike D’Antoni, his team’s defensive consistency (or lack thereof) had previously been an impediment to their success. But recently, New York’s stingy defense has been essential to their winning ways.
When the Knicks knocked off the Kings at Madison Square Garden last Wednesday night, beating Sacramento100-85 for their seventh straight victory, it was also the seventh straight game New York had held their opponent to below 100 points. This tied the organization’s longest streak of that kind over the past 18 seasons. The last time New York had matched that feat was back in 2001, which, coincidentally, was the last time the Knicks won a playoff game.
And despite losing to New Orleans on Friday, the Knicks defense kept an opponent under 90 points for the 10th time (they are 9-1 in such games). Prior to this season, the Knicks held their opponents under 90 points five times in their previous 95 games.
Coming into the 2011-2012 campaign, the Knicks had allowed over 110 points per 100 possessions in each of their previous four seasons, including all three under D’Antoni. This season, New York is allowing just 99.5 points per 100 possessions, which ranks sixth-best in the entire league. This is the first time New York has allowed under 100 per 100 possessions since… yes, 2001.
New York is currently holding its opponents to 93.9 points per game on 44.5% shooting after allowing 105.7 points on 47.2% shooting last season. This type of terrific turnaround is rarely seen in the NBA from one year to the next.
In early January, the Knicks actually held three straight opponents under 90 points. Prior to that stretch, the last time New York had held even two straight opponents under 90 points was all the way back in December of 2005. In fact, during that streak, the Knicks kept those teams under 88 points. As a point of comparison, in NY’s three previous seasons with D’Antoni at the helm, they held an opponent under 88 a TOTAL of nine times. That’s three games in a row, versus nine times total over the span of three complete seasons (246 games).
As these numbers illustrate, New York’s team defense hasn’t just been adequate, it’s been very good. And by just reading the headlines you might not know it, but there have actually been other players sharing the court with Jeremy Lin. The most important of these players has been big man Tyson Chandler.
Here is a breakdown of the Linsanity schedule:
Feb. 4 vs. New Jersey Nets (13-20 on road)
Feb. 6 vs. Utah Jazz (11-22 on road)
Feb. 8 at Washington (11-22 at home)
Feb. 10 vs. Los Angeles Lakers (15-18 on road)
Feb. 11 at Minnesota Timberwolves (13-20 at home)
Feb. 14 at Toronto (13-20 at home)
Feb. 15 vs. Sacramento (6-27 on road)
Feb. 17 vs. New Orleans Hornets (10-23 on road)
Feb. 19 vs. Dallas Mavericks (13-20 on road)
combined 105 wins vs 192 losses
Can it get any easier???
CASE CLOSED
post Linsanity (until MDA got goin):
vs NJ (13-20 on road)
vs Atl (17-16 on road)
@ Miami (28-5 at home)
vs Cle (11-22 at home)
@ Boston (24-9 at home)
@ Dallas (23-10 at home)
@ San Antonio (28-5 at home)
@ Milwalkee (17-16 at home)
vs Philly (16-17 on road)
@ Chicago (26-7 at home)
combined 203 wins vs 127 losses
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeez - I wonder why Linsanity ended.
Look in the end, BOTH Woody and MDA depend on the teams players to make them look good. Woody certainly benefited from a HOT Melo in April. If Melo could've given half of what he gave the team in April the rest of the year they likely wouldn't have had to play the Heat in round 1. When you distill it down to the raw essence of what happened that's it in a nutshell.
This coming year the team will again depend on Melo being the GOOD Melo and not the bad Melo we saw most of last year.
mrKnickShot wrote:Nixluva,Linsanity did not prove anything other than the fact that Lin is a good player. The schedule was awful.
The fact that he is a system guy and cannot adjust is a large blemish since many really good coaches are adaptable
Why did the Knicks hire Woody? Why did PHX want MDA to hire a defensive coach? And, who says that the defensive philosophy did not change under Woody from the beginning of the season? I though I saw a change in philosophy.
Why do keep saying the schedule was soft during the linsanity begining....vegas odds had us losing evey game other then the wizards..on paper we were worse then anyteam we faced...
mrKnickShot wrote:So since you claim that the Linsanity schedule has gotten exaggerated more by the week, here we go!Here is a breakdown of the Linsanity schedule:
Feb. 4 vs. New Jersey Nets (13-20 on road)
Feb. 6 vs. Utah Jazz (11-22 on road)
Feb. 8 at Washington (11-22 at home)
Feb. 10 vs. Los Angeles Lakers (15-18 on road)
Feb. 11 at Minnesota Timberwolves (13-20 at home)
Feb. 14 at Toronto (13-20 at home)
Feb. 15 vs. Sacramento (6-27 on road)
Feb. 17 vs. New Orleans Hornets (10-23 on road)
Feb. 19 vs. Dallas Mavericks (13-20 on road)combined 105 wins vs 192 losses
Can it get any easier???
CASE CLOSED
That can't be right. You're claiming that those 11 teams played a combined 297 games last season.
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:So since you claim that the Linsanity schedule has gotten exaggerated more by the week, here we go!Here is a breakdown of the Linsanity schedule:
Feb. 4 vs. New Jersey Nets (13-20 on road)
Feb. 6 vs. Utah Jazz (11-22 on road)
Feb. 8 at Washington (11-22 at home)
Feb. 10 vs. Los Angeles Lakers (15-18 on road)
Feb. 11 at Minnesota Timberwolves (13-20 at home)
Feb. 14 at Toronto (13-20 at home)
Feb. 15 vs. Sacramento (6-27 on road)
Feb. 17 vs. New Orleans Hornets (10-23 on road)
Feb. 19 vs. Dallas Mavericks (13-20 on road)combined 105 wins vs 192 losses
Can it get any easier???
CASE CLOSED
That can't be right. You're claiming that those 11 teams played a combined 297 games last season.
He totaled it up to the point they played the knicks..not a full season total.
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:So since you claim that the Linsanity schedule has gotten exaggerated more by the week, here we go!Here is a breakdown of the Linsanity schedule:
Feb. 4 vs. New Jersey Nets (13-20 on road)
Feb. 6 vs. Utah Jazz (11-22 on road)
Feb. 8 at Washington (11-22 at home)
Feb. 10 vs. Los Angeles Lakers (15-18 on road)
Feb. 11 at Minnesota Timberwolves (13-20 at home)
Feb. 14 at Toronto (13-20 at home)
Feb. 15 vs. Sacramento (6-27 on road)
Feb. 17 vs. New Orleans Hornets (10-23 on road)
Feb. 19 vs. Dallas Mavericks (13-20 on road)combined 105 wins vs 192 losses
Can it get any easier???
CASE CLOSED
That can't be right. You're claiming that those 11 teams played a combined 297 games last season.
knicks1248 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Nixluva,Linsanity did not prove anything other than the fact that Lin is a good player. The schedule was awful.
The fact that he is a system guy and cannot adjust is a large blemish since many really good coaches are adaptable
Why did the Knicks hire Woody? Why did PHX want MDA to hire a defensive coach? And, who says that the defensive philosophy did not change under Woody from the beginning of the season? I though I saw a change in philosophy.
Why do keep saying the schedule was soft during the linsanity begining....vegas odds had us losing evey game other then the wizards..on paper we were worse then anyteam we faced...
Not true...excluding the Nets where the Knicks were 7 point favorites, the 8 games were split 4 to 4 fav/dog. The Knicks were getting 2 againt the Wizzards. Besides gambling odds are not indicative of who should win a game, just who the house would like you to bet on.
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:So since you claim that the Linsanity schedule has gotten exaggerated more by the week, here we go!Here is a breakdown of the Linsanity schedule:
Feb. 4 vs. New Jersey Nets (13-20 on road)
Feb. 6 vs. Utah Jazz (11-22 on road)
Feb. 8 at Washington (11-22 at home)
Feb. 10 vs. Los Angeles Lakers (15-18 on road)
Feb. 11 at Minnesota Timberwolves (13-20 at home)
Feb. 14 at Toronto (13-20 at home)
Feb. 15 vs. Sacramento (6-27 on road)
Feb. 17 vs. New Orleans Hornets (10-23 on road)
Feb. 19 vs. Dallas Mavericks (13-20 on road)combined 105 wins vs 192 losses
Can it get any easier???
CASE CLOSED
That can't be right. You're claiming that those 11 teams played a combined 297 games last season.
We were 7 games under 500 missing our 2 stars with a do league pg..how do you think those teams look at us
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:So since you claim that the Linsanity schedule has gotten exaggerated more by the week, here we go!Here is a breakdown of the Linsanity schedule:
Feb. 4 vs. New Jersey Nets (13-20 on road)
Feb. 6 vs. Utah Jazz (11-22 on road)
Feb. 8 at Washington (11-22 at home)
Feb. 10 vs. Los Angeles Lakers (15-18 on road)
Feb. 11 at Minnesota Timberwolves (13-20 at home)
Feb. 14 at Toronto (13-20 at home)
Feb. 15 vs. Sacramento (6-27 on road)
Feb. 17 vs. New Orleans Hornets (10-23 on road)
Feb. 19 vs. Dallas Mavericks (13-20 on road)combined 105 wins vs 192 losses
Can it get any easier???
CASE CLOSED
That can't be right. You're claiming that those 11 teams played a combined 297 games last season.
I did not total their winning pct as a whole, that would not be an accurate assessment since it depends on if the games were at Home or Away.
I totaled up the full season winning pct for either their home or away record depending on where the game was played. How is that not fair and accurate? And, I did the same for the post Linsanity record to give it proper context.
I compared the Linsanity games to the 10 games post Linsanity (when Melo came back) until MDA left.
So, the Linsanity oppositions adjusted winning pct was .353 vs the post Linsanity oppositions adjusted winning pct of .621
Far from the same no? So who killed Linsanity? Looks like the schedule did to me.
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:So since you claim that the Linsanity schedule has gotten exaggerated more by the week, here we go!Here is a breakdown of the Linsanity schedule:
Feb. 4 vs. New Jersey Nets (13-20 on road)
Feb. 6 vs. Utah Jazz (11-22 on road)
Feb. 8 at Washington (11-22 at home)
Feb. 10 vs. Los Angeles Lakers (15-18 on road)
Feb. 11 at Minnesota Timberwolves (13-20 at home)
Feb. 14 at Toronto (13-20 at home)
Feb. 15 vs. Sacramento (6-27 on road)
Feb. 17 vs. New Orleans Hornets (10-23 on road)
Feb. 19 vs. Dallas Mavericks (13-20 on road)combined 105 wins vs 192 losses
Can it get any easier???
CASE CLOSED
That can't be right. You're claiming that those 11 teams played a combined 297 games last season.I did not total their winning pct as a whole, that would not be an accurate assessment since it depends on if the games were at Home or Away.
I totaled up the full season winning pct for either their home or away record depending on where the game was played. How is that not fair and accurate? And, I did the same for the post Linsanity record to give it proper context.
I compared the Linsanity games to the 10 games post Linsanity (when Melo came back) until MDA left.
So, the Linsanity oppositions adjusted winning pct was .362 vs the post Linsanity oppositions adjusted winning pct of .621
Far from the same no? So who killed Linsanity? Looks like the schedule did to me.
Now that you've explained what you did, I would say it is reasonable.
Given that our opponents winning percentage was .480 for the season, you could say that the Linsanity run was a little closer to the level of opponent we'd be seeing regularly than the post-Linsanity run was, although the Linsanity run still was easier.
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:So since you claim that the Linsanity schedule has gotten exaggerated more by the week, here we go!Here is a breakdown of the Linsanity schedule:
Feb. 4 vs. New Jersey Nets (13-20 on road)
Feb. 6 vs. Utah Jazz (11-22 on road)
Feb. 8 at Washington (11-22 at home)
Feb. 10 vs. Los Angeles Lakers (15-18 on road)
Feb. 11 at Minnesota Timberwolves (13-20 at home)
Feb. 14 at Toronto (13-20 at home)
Feb. 15 vs. Sacramento (6-27 on road)
Feb. 17 vs. New Orleans Hornets (10-23 on road)
Feb. 19 vs. Dallas Mavericks (13-20 on road)combined 105 wins vs 192 losses
Can it get any easier???
CASE CLOSED
That can't be right. You're claiming that those 11 teams played a combined 297 games last season.I did not total their winning pct as a whole, that would not be an accurate assessment since it depends on if the games were at Home or Away.
I totaled up the full season winning pct for either their home or away record depending on where the game was played. How is that not fair and accurate? And, I did the same for the post Linsanity record to give it proper context.
I compared the Linsanity games to the 10 games post Linsanity (when Melo came back) until MDA left.
So, the Linsanity oppositions adjusted winning pct was .362 vs the post Linsanity oppositions adjusted winning pct of .621
Far from the same no? So who killed Linsanity? Looks like the schedule did to me.
Now that you've explained what you did, I would say it is reasonable.
Given that our opponents winning percentage was .480 for the season, you could say that the Linsanity run was a little closer to the level of opponent we'd be seeing regularly than the post-Linsanity run was, although the Linsanity run still was easier.
Well yes. .480 is closer to .350 then .350 is to .621. However, many stated that Melo killed Linsanity and I am just proving that this is completely not the case.
So lets look at the full picture:
Pre-Linsanity, the knicks had TD as the PG. Lin turned out to be a very good player and TD was not. That, and the fact that the Linsanity schedule was easy as 123 was a bit of a camouflager to what Linsanity really was. As I said, it did not prove much about the system as it proved that we needed any viable PG that was not named Toney. Let's not forget that the system was so un-adaptable to it's players that MDA allowed TD to lead the knicks by a decent margin in 3 pt attempts while shooting a whopping 25% from downtown.
MDA knows offense. But its only his offense that he is really good at executing.
And, all the blanket statements of how Melo killed Linsanity and comparing the two records is stupider than stupid.
I loved Lin and will miss him on the Knicks. I can't say that I hope he does well since he is now playing for an enemy. Did the knicks make the correct move by not bringing him back? I can't say because I am not a capologist but I did wish that they brought him back.
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:So since you claim that the Linsanity schedule has gotten exaggerated more by the week, here we go!Here is a breakdown of the Linsanity schedule:
Feb. 4 vs. New Jersey Nets (13-20 on road)
Feb. 6 vs. Utah Jazz (11-22 on road)
Feb. 8 at Washington (11-22 at home)
Feb. 10 vs. Los Angeles Lakers (15-18 on road)
Feb. 11 at Minnesota Timberwolves (13-20 at home)
Feb. 14 at Toronto (13-20 at home)
Feb. 15 vs. Sacramento (6-27 on road)
Feb. 17 vs. New Orleans Hornets (10-23 on road)
Feb. 19 vs. Dallas Mavericks (13-20 on road)combined 105 wins vs 192 losses
Can it get any easier???
CASE CLOSED
That can't be right. You're claiming that those 11 teams played a combined 297 games last season.I did not total their winning pct as a whole, that would not be an accurate assessment since it depends on if the games were at Home or Away.
I totaled up the full season winning pct for either their home or away record depending on where the game was played. How is that not fair and accurate? And, I did the same for the post Linsanity record to give it proper context.
I compared the Linsanity games to the 10 games post Linsanity (when Melo came back) until MDA left.
So, the Linsanity oppositions adjusted winning pct was .362 vs the post Linsanity oppositions adjusted winning pct of .621
Far from the same no? So who killed Linsanity? Looks like the schedule did to me.
Now that you've explained what you did, I would say it is reasonable.
Given that our opponents winning percentage was .480 for the season, you could say that the Linsanity run was a little closer to the level of opponent we'd be seeing regularly than the post-Linsanity run was, although the Linsanity run still was easier.Well yes. .480 is closer to .350 then .350 is to .621. However, many stated that Melo killed Linsanity and I am just proving that this is completely not the case.
So lets look at the full picture:
Pre-Linsanity, the knicks had TD as the PG. Lin turned out to be a very good player and TD was not. That, and the fact that the Linsanity schedule was easy as 123 was a bit of a camouflager to what Linsanity really was. As I said, it did not prove much about the system as it proved that we needed any viable PG that was not named Toney. Let's not forget that the system was so un-adaptable to it's players that MDA allowed TD to lead the knicks by a decent margin in 3 pt attempts while shooting a whopping 25% from downtown.
MDA knows offense. But its only his offense that he is really good at executing.
And, all the blanket statements of how Melo killed Linsanity and comparing the two records is stupider than stupid.
I loved Lin and will miss him on the Knicks. I can't say that I hope he does well since he is now playing for an enemy. Did the knicks make the correct move by not bringing him back? I can't say because I am not a capologist but I did wish that they brought him back.
my question to you and the rest of the MDA bashers
If MDA comes to NY now (instead of 4 yrs ago) with an above avg pg (like a felton) you don't think he can win a championship..
we keep straying away from the real argument/conversation..
In all honesty, most coaches are going to get tuned out when losing is in the picture, doesn't matter who you are(maybe not popovich)..
I think when you have a talented team that should be winning and there not feeling your flow, there going to start ignoring you, or running plays half ass..We started hearing Amare saying this earlier in the season, he even said it at the end of last season..You know Melo was the primary culprit right..
The look on Amare's face some nights when he got the ball was like..."O sht you pass me the ball" there were times he look lost cause the plays were not being run right, guys just weren't buying in 100%.
I mean PHIL JACKSON couldn't have said it no better..WE LOOK CLUMSY.... at least for the most part, especially when the shots don't fall..
People say MDA should have adjusted to his roster.. I don't know how much adjusting you want a coach to do without just throwing his system out the window, then what good is he..
So why don't we go get woodson a bunch of EURO players who run and have face up big man shooters who live on the perimeter, then tell him to adjust his style of coaching..You could never use that as an excuse as to why a coach is inept..Especially when he has had a lot of success in this league running his own system..
Management is suppose to supply the coach with the players that fit the system, especially when you put him thru a rebuilding process that at best, was a 3yr project..
It's been establish and proven many times, that defensive players bring a defensive culture..something MDA never had in any player before tyson chandler..We were so bad defensively, that TYSON got the DPOY award not base on stats (which it usually is) but base on the way he change the culture in NY..
I can't imagine in a MILION years that Woodson can turn DAVID LEE, AL HARRINGTON, NATE ROBINSON, CRAWFORD, GALLO into a defensive force or even adequate defenders..
MDA deserved a better opportunity and so did Walsh, although I would never ever forgive Walsh for not calling the jazz and atleast asking..I mean (at the time) there was enough drama coming out of UTAH to atleast try, but I guess he felt like it would have been a disrespect to felton to go after a pg..who the fck knows..just a foolish move on his part.