knickscity wrote:Linsanity ended against the 7-23 hornets, the game that Melo didn't even play in.http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxs...
But yeah 8-18 and 9 turnovers was Melo's fault.
Grevis Vasquez looking like Nash out there getting 11 assists.
Amare was actually having a solid game, but Lin decided f that.
that game he shot linsanity down all by himself.
LOL.. amare was getting killed by gustavo ayon... and ariza took a dump on us, actually the hornets played very well that day.. they beat us, plain and simple..
wow one bad game out of what 10 where he carried the team on his back?
gunsnewing wrote:wow one bad game out of what 10 where he carried the team on his back?
you know how it is in life, a person can do so much good but do 1 thing wrong, and there the worst..
knicks1248 wrote:muhaha wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Anybody who thinks that playing in a small market is just as profitable as playing in a big market is dumb or being naive.It's such a no brainer, that I won't even put into details how it makes so much $ense..
Yoa didn't have much of a choice when it came to where he wanted to play, and that goes for any player who was drafted by a small market team..
You think if Yao had his choice to play in Houston or NY, he would have chose houston..
Tyson chandler, Amare and Melo have recieved much more endorsements since signing with the knicks..
You lost all credibility without doing any research.
Carmelo
New York 2011 $6 million
Denver 2010 $6 million
Denver 2009 $5 million
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/special...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/special...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/special...
Amare Has been getting into fashion (he's coming out with is own jean vest i think) and has been at fashion wk in mahattan since joining the knicks, Tyson chandler just sign on with FUSE Science http://sportsbusinessdigest.com/2012/08/...
I don't need to do research because like I said, it's a no brainer..
You're also wrong. Players no longer need to play in a large market to get big endorsements. Especially when your main market is overseas.
gunsnewing wrote:wow one bad game out of what 10 where he carried the team on his back?
Why is it every time that Lin gets a zillion turnovers, it's always "one game"?
Hornets....one game.
Miami...one game.
Six game losing streak where in three of those he had 5 turnovers or more, and shot under 40% in 4 out of 6....one game.
Look, the kid has done some very good things, and I credit those, but to turn the head the other way is poor.
There isn't no player beyond blame, Lin contributed to loses just like he contributed to wins.
6 game losing streak had to do with Melo and Amare quitting on MDA not Lin. Melo and Amare were not playing as hard as Jeffries and Fields
Lin made big plays under woodson when we beat Indy back to back by the way and he was hurt. You guys cant act like he was garbage once MDA quit. The Knicks were 6-1 under Woodson with melo, amare and lin finally on the court together. And they were not just winning they were destroying teams.
And that is fact
gunsnewing wrote:6 game losing streak had to do with Melo and Amare quitting on MDA not Lin. Melo and Amare were not playing as hard as Jeffries and Fields
You can't be serious.
Teams lose together, Lin is not an exception.
Fields was garbage the entire year, and Jeffries is well, Jeffries.
Now everyone else is the blame for the loss, but the player with the ball is not?
Lin was still taking 15 shots per game during that stretch, shooting below 40%
gunsnewing wrote:Lin made bog plays under woodson when we beat Indy back to back by the way and he was hurt. You guys cant act like he was garbage once MDA quit. The Knicks were 6-1 under Woodson with melo, amare and lin finally on the court together. And they were not just winning they were destroying teams.And that is fact
I won't deny that, I have said Lin is a good player, I just don't like him as a basketball player.
There's other in the league I don't like as well, he played very well overall when given the chance, but I'm not gonna pretend that every time the Knicks lost a game Lin was free and clear.
At some point during the season, all the starters cost the team some games, Lin included.
It is well documented that Amare and Melo quit on MDA. MDA and Melo together just didnt work. I don't know what you are saying
knickscity wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Lin made bog plays under woodson when we beat Indy back to back by the way and he was hurt. You guys cant act like he was garbage once MDA quit. The Knicks were 6-1 under Woodson with melo, amare and lin finally on the court together. And they were not just winning they were destroying teams.And that is fact
I won't deny that, I have said Lin is a good player, I just don't like him as a basketball player.
There's other in the league I don't like as well, he played very well overall when given the chance, but I'm not gonna pretend that every time the Knicks lost a game Lin was free and clear.
At some point during the season, all the starters cost the team some games, Lin included.
yes Lin might of cost them 2 games of the 35 he played in all year. I'm pretty sure Kobe and Lebron cost their teams a few games last year too
I watched every single game last year. I don't need to lie to myself about what I saw
knickscity wrote:gunsnewing wrote:knickscity wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Lin made bog plays under woodson when we beat Indy back to back by the way and he was hurt. You guys cant act like he was garbage once MDA quit. The Knicks were 6-1 under Woodson with melo, amare and lin finally on the court together. And they were not just winning they were destroying teams.And that is fact
I won't deny that, I have said Lin is a good player, I just don't like him as a basketball player.
There's other in the league I don't like as well, he played very well overall when given the chance, but I'm not gonna pretend that every time the Knicks lost a game Lin was free and clear.
At some point during the season, all the starters cost the team some games, Lin included.
yes Lin might of cost them 2 games of the 35 he played in all year. I'm pretty sure Kobe and Lebron cost their teams a few games last year too
ok bro.
LMAO...Now Lin is being mentioned in the same vein as two of the all time greats in Kobe and Lebron. WoW
tkf wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:I thought the article is fair. Alot of fans are quick to bash Dolan, but you have to look at the issue both ways. Lin and Houston reneged on the offer. Lin doesn't come away from this with his hands clean.
Why do I care if someone's hands are clean? I want to win a championship not go out for a beer with them!
As do most Knicks fans. Winning the Championship is the ultimate goal for all fans. To at least have a chance at it. I could care less if Lin had more tattoos than JR or knew more bible quotes than Tim Tebow. The decision was strictly business from both sides of the coin. Lin and Houston had a number(2nd number to be specific) and the Knicks had a number(first offer) in mind. Both couldn't meet in the middle, so the Knicks let him walk end of story. Lin or no Lin, he is not the deciding factor in winning the Knicks a Championship...it's the horses in the stable that are already here, Melo and Stat. They're the multiple all stars, the huge contracts, the faces of the Knicks, not Jeremy. It remains to be seen if Lin could've directed traffic and set up our 2 stars up, as he only put up numbers when 1 player or the other was out, and only did it in D'Antoni's predictable system(which teams figured out after seeing Lin the first time around). Notice teams that were caught by surprise by "Linsanity" the first time around, beat the Knicks with a vengeance the 2nd go around. Dallas, Toronto, NJ all avenged their losses and Lin gradually lost his effectiveness until D'Antoni lost his job.
Bottom line is both Lin and Knicks are both moving on for the better. Lin will put up decent numbers on shyt teams, and may even garner some of the Chinese vote for the All Star Game. Personally I think "Linsanity" feels like a bubble burst or fad(Tebowing? or Planking?) that will go by the wayside pretty soon. People will see he's "just alright" not as great he appeared and not loaded with potential as some people seem to think. To think he has to go up against Steve Nash, Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, Stephen Curry, Chris Paul, Goran Dragic, Ricky Rubio....good luck to him! Might even be a more ghastly sight than the Heat game...YIKES!
yea, that had nothing to do with mr. malcontent coming back, right? one guy comes back, the losing starts....
I love this caught teams by surprise crap. I mean after like 4 games linsanity was worldwide.. I guess the other teams didn't have cable.. right?
Look at the schedule if you care to open your eyes if you care at all to be honest. This is the one sided blindness that is so annoying.
I guess that @SAS, @DAL, @MIA, @CHI had nothing to do with it - what a joke!
mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:I thought the article is fair. Alot of fans are quick to bash Dolan, but you have to look at the issue both ways. Lin and Houston reneged on the offer. Lin doesn't come away from this with his hands clean.
Why do I care if someone's hands are clean? I want to win a championship not go out for a beer with them!
As do most Knicks fans. Winning the Championship is the ultimate goal for all fans. To at least have a chance at it. I could care less if Lin had more tattoos than JR or knew more bible quotes than Tim Tebow. The decision was strictly business from both sides of the coin. Lin and Houston had a number(2nd number to be specific) and the Knicks had a number(first offer) in mind. Both couldn't meet in the middle, so the Knicks let him walk end of story. Lin or no Lin, he is not the deciding factor in winning the Knicks a Championship...it's the horses in the stable that are already here, Melo and Stat. They're the multiple all stars, the huge contracts, the faces of the Knicks, not Jeremy. It remains to be seen if Lin could've directed traffic and set up our 2 stars up, as he only put up numbers when 1 player or the other was out, and only did it in D'Antoni's predictable system(which teams figured out after seeing Lin the first time around). Notice teams that were caught by surprise by "Linsanity" the first time around, beat the Knicks with a vengeance the 2nd go around. Dallas, Toronto, NJ all avenged their losses and Lin gradually lost his effectiveness until D'Antoni lost his job.
Bottom line is both Lin and Knicks are both moving on for the better. Lin will put up decent numbers on shyt teams, and may even garner some of the Chinese vote for the All Star Game. Personally I think "Linsanity" feels like a bubble burst or fad(Tebowing? or Planking?) that will go by the wayside pretty soon. People will see he's "just alright" not as great he appeared and not loaded with potential as some people seem to think. To think he has to go up against Steve Nash, Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, Stephen Curry, Chris Paul, Goran Dragic, Ricky Rubio....good luck to him! Might even be a more ghastly sight than the Heat game...YIKES!
yea, that had nothing to do with mr. malcontent coming back, right? one guy comes back, the losing starts....
I love this caught teams by surprise crap. I mean after like 4 games linsanity was worldwide.. I guess the other teams didn't have cable.. right?
Look at the schedule if you care to open your eyes if you care at all to be honest. This is the one sided blindness that is so annoying.
I guess that @SAS, @DAL, @MIA, @CHI had nothing to do with it - what a joke!
I thought we got melo to help beat those teams? you see this is the problem and has always been with this clown over 9 seasons, he loses, it is someone else fault, the coach, no help, global warming, etc..
if he wins(which hasn't been often) it is because " he is the best pure scorer in da wooooooooorld!!!!!!!!!!!!"......
it never ends..
tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:I thought the article is fair. Alot of fans are quick to bash Dolan, but you have to look at the issue both ways. Lin and Houston reneged on the offer. Lin doesn't come away from this with his hands clean.
Why do I care if someone's hands are clean? I want to win a championship not go out for a beer with them!
As do most Knicks fans. Winning the Championship is the ultimate goal for all fans. To at least have a chance at it. I could care less if Lin had more tattoos than JR or knew more bible quotes than Tim Tebow. The decision was strictly business from both sides of the coin. Lin and Houston had a number(2nd number to be specific) and the Knicks had a number(first offer) in mind. Both couldn't meet in the middle, so the Knicks let him walk end of story. Lin or no Lin, he is not the deciding factor in winning the Knicks a Championship...it's the horses in the stable that are already here, Melo and Stat. They're the multiple all stars, the huge contracts, the faces of the Knicks, not Jeremy. It remains to be seen if Lin could've directed traffic and set up our 2 stars up, as he only put up numbers when 1 player or the other was out, and only did it in D'Antoni's predictable system(which teams figured out after seeing Lin the first time around). Notice teams that were caught by surprise by "Linsanity" the first time around, beat the Knicks with a vengeance the 2nd go around. Dallas, Toronto, NJ all avenged their losses and Lin gradually lost his effectiveness until D'Antoni lost his job.
Bottom line is both Lin and Knicks are both moving on for the better. Lin will put up decent numbers on shyt teams, and may even garner some of the Chinese vote for the All Star Game. Personally I think "Linsanity" feels like a bubble burst or fad(Tebowing? or Planking?) that will go by the wayside pretty soon. People will see he's "just alright" not as great he appeared and not loaded with potential as some people seem to think. To think he has to go up against Steve Nash, Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, Stephen Curry, Chris Paul, Goran Dragic, Ricky Rubio....good luck to him! Might even be a more ghastly sight than the Heat game...YIKES!
yea, that had nothing to do with mr. malcontent coming back, right? one guy comes back, the losing starts....
I love this caught teams by surprise crap. I mean after like 4 games linsanity was worldwide.. I guess the other teams didn't have cable.. right?
Look at the schedule if you care to open your eyes if you care at all to be honest. This is the one sided blindness that is so annoying.
I guess that @SAS, @DAL, @MIA, @CHI had nothing to do with it - what a joke!
I thought we got melo to help beat those teams? you see this is the problem and has always been with this clown over 9 seasons, he loses, it is someone else fault, the coach, no help, global warming, etc..
if he wins(which hasn't been often) it is because " he is the best pure scorer in da wooooooooorld!!!!!!!!!!!!"......
it never ends..
He failed under MDA and he certainly shares part of the blame - not all of us are one sided.
Melo perhaps is not the super super star that can carry a team by himself. Again, if you care to look at context which it seems like you do not, you would know that Denver never had a team projected to go far. The best player he played with was Billups and we all know how that turned out. Archie Manning did great in NO!
You obviously have a personal beef with him since he was not aligned with your favs. Follow Paul Pierce's career and let me know why he sucked for so many years. Where were all the playoff runs? Melo is in PP's range. He is not Lebron - we know that. Did they give up too much for him? They certainly did - but he is here so deal with it. And, if you hate him because he derailed your precious MDA, maybe you will never get over the butt hurt.
gunsnewing wrote:knickscity wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Lin made bog plays under woodson when we beat Indy back to back by the way and he was hurt. You guys cant act like he was garbage once MDA quit. The Knicks were 6-1 under Woodson with melo, amare and lin finally on the court together. And they were not just winning they were destroying teams.And that is fact
I won't deny that, I have said Lin is a good player, I just don't like him as a basketball player.
There's other in the league I don't like as well, he played very well overall when given the chance, but I'm not gonna pretend that every time the Knicks lost a game Lin was free and clear.
At some point during the season, all the starters cost the team some games, Lin included.
yes Lin might of cost them 2 games of the 35 he played in all year. I'm pretty sure Kobe and Lebron cost their teams a few games last year too
Now this is where you have take the Lin-tinted glasses off. Comparing Lin to Kobe and Lebron is so comical it's kinda amusing.
tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:I thought the article is fair. Alot of fans are quick to bash Dolan, but you have to look at the issue both ways. Lin and Houston reneged on the offer. Lin doesn't come away from this with his hands clean.
Why do I care if someone's hands are clean? I want to win a championship not go out for a beer with them!
As do most Knicks fans. Winning the Championship is the ultimate goal for all fans. To at least have a chance at it. I could care less if Lin had more tattoos than JR or knew more bible quotes than Tim Tebow. The decision was strictly business from both sides of the coin. Lin and Houston had a number(2nd number to be specific) and the Knicks had a number(first offer) in mind. Both couldn't meet in the middle, so the Knicks let him walk end of story. Lin or no Lin, he is not the deciding factor in winning the Knicks a Championship...it's the horses in the stable that are already here, Melo and Stat. They're the multiple all stars, the huge contracts, the faces of the Knicks, not Jeremy. It remains to be seen if Lin could've directed traffic and set up our 2 stars up, as he only put up numbers when 1 player or the other was out, and only did it in D'Antoni's predictable system(which teams figured out after seeing Lin the first time around). Notice teams that were caught by surprise by "Linsanity" the first time around, beat the Knicks with a vengeance the 2nd go around. Dallas, Toronto, NJ all avenged their losses and Lin gradually lost his effectiveness until D'Antoni lost his job.
Bottom line is both Lin and Knicks are both moving on for the better. Lin will put up decent numbers on shyt teams, and may even garner some of the Chinese vote for the All Star Game. Personally I think "Linsanity" feels like a bubble burst or fad(Tebowing? or Planking?) that will go by the wayside pretty soon. People will see he's "just alright" not as great he appeared and not loaded with potential as some people seem to think. To think he has to go up against Steve Nash, Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, Stephen Curry, Chris Paul, Goran Dragic, Ricky Rubio....good luck to him! Might even be a more ghastly sight than the Heat game...YIKES!
yea, that had nothing to do with mr. malcontent coming back, right? one guy comes back, the losing starts....
I love this caught teams by surprise crap. I mean after like 4 games linsanity was worldwide.. I guess the other teams didn't have cable.. right?
Look at the schedule if you care to open your eyes if you care at all to be honest. This is the one sided blindness that is so annoying.
I guess that @SAS, @DAL, @MIA, @CHI had nothing to do with it - what a joke!
I thought we got melo to help beat those teams? you see this is the problem and has always been with this clown over 9 seasons, he loses, it is someone else fault, the coach, no help, global warming, etc..
if he wins(which hasn't been often) it is because " he is the best pure scorer in da wooooooooorld!!!!!!!!!!!!"......
it never ends..
Funny how Melo was the best scorer in the world for the entire month of April, and singled handedly led the Knicks into the playoffs minus MDA, Lin, and Amare for stretches. Lin was only effective for 2 weeks in February.
ChuckBuck wrote:gunsnewing wrote:knickscity wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Lin made bog plays under woodson when we beat Indy back to back by the way and he was hurt. You guys cant act like he was garbage once MDA quit. The Knicks were 6-1 under Woodson with melo, amare and lin finally on the court together. And they were not just winning they were destroying teams.And that is fact
I won't deny that, I have said Lin is a good player, I just don't like him as a basketball player.
There's other in the league I don't like as well, he played very well overall when given the chance, but I'm not gonna pretend that every time the Knicks lost a game Lin was free and clear.
At some point during the season, all the starters cost the team some games, Lin included.
yes Lin might of cost them 2 games of the 35 he played in all year. I'm pretty sure Kobe and Lebron cost their teams a few games last year too
Now this is where you have take the Lin-tinted glasses off. Comparing Lin to Kobe and Lebron is so comical it's kinda amusing.
To be fair, I don't think he is comparing them. He is simply stating that even the top stars cost their teams games. It is a weak argument though.
I am still waiting for someone to tell me that shooting 45-125 against > .500 competition is not mediocre and that he still remains unproven.
Everyone runs away when this is brought up.
I think that he can do better and be a good PG, better than a good backup like larry brown says, but - he still has much to prove. We will see shortly.
knicks1248 wrote:muhaha wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Anybody who thinks that playing in a small market is just as profitable as playing in a big market is dumb or being naive.It's such a no brainer, that I won't even put into details how it makes so much $ense..
Yoa didn't have much of a choice when it came to where he wanted to play, and that goes for any player who was drafted by a small market team..
You think if Yao had his choice to play in Houston or NY, he would have chose houston..
Tyson chandler, Amare and Melo have recieved much more endorsements since signing with the knicks..
You lost all credibility without doing any research.
Carmelo
New York 2011 $6 million
Denver 2010 $6 million
Denver 2009 $5 million
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/special...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/special...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/special...
Amare Has been getting into fashion (he's coming out with is own jean vest i think) and has been at fashion wk in mahattan since joining the knicks, Tyson chandler just sign on with FUSE Science http://sportsbusinessdigest.com/2012/08/...
I don't need to do research because like I said, it's a no brainer..
From the website link you provided:
Chandler joins an ever growing FuseScience roster that includes PGA star Tiger Woods, Red Sox star David Ortiz, and Toronto Blue Jays star Jose Bautista. Chandler, is apparently all ready using FuseScience products in conjunction with his workouts, and looks forward to what the company has to offer in the future,
Tiger has been toxic, Big Poppi not exactly a household name. Toronto Blue Jays best players, and not Tyson!
Not exactly the "A" list, but no doubt a nice group of accomplished athletes.
IM not seeing "big market players" as the common link.
Tyson won a championship in Dallas, An olympic metal with team USA and was the Defensive player of the year. Playing in NY really help him? Tyson is a "winner"!
Knicks if anything are not exactly a franchise that exudes "winning".
