Knicks · Ronnie Brewer out 6 weeks (page 2)

he should just play through it!

The normal time table is 6 weeks. It will be interesting to see if people will be rushing him back sooner like they did with Lin. Then question his intentions

gunsnewing wrote:The normal time table is 6 weeks. It will be interesting to see if people will be rushing him back sooner like they did with Lin. Then question his intentions

If we don't make any trades, by the play offs, IF EVERYONE is healthy, and if Iman is also back in shape by then, our best defensive lineup would look something like

Felton
Iman
Brewer
Melo
Tyson Chandler

not sure who should be defending the PG with this lineup, with Felton or Iman.
I think not only does Iman, with his size/athleticism/length/DEF intensity, HARASS the opponents PG much better, it would allow Felton to conserve some energy to push/handle the ball

IF Camby and Tyson Chandler can coexist together, PF/C with their lack of speed, but with their size/length Camby's age vs BIGs/shooters like Bosh/KG/Dirk/Love/Aldridge and how they match up on Lebron/Durant/Gereld Wallace/Rudy Gay/Jeff Green

Felton
Iman
Brewer
Camby
Tyson Chandler

Felton
Iman/Kidd
Brewer/Melo/Kidd
Camby/Melo,
Chandler

I do not believe 2 weeks will have changed Amare's ability on DEF with Hakeem either, but lets hope he will look forward to improving and give effort on it from now on.

1- Rebounding/especially Boxing out, the importance in TEAM DEF by putting a body/fighting for position

2- DEF *especially his footwork/lack of speed, to be able to move his feet like Jeffries, especially now with all the shooters at the PF/C spots in the league now* Bosh/KG/Dirk/Love/Aldridge and how they match up on Lebron/Durant etc, I don't think Amare will ever be able to defend these guys, maybe someone like Boozer/ZBo at best

3- shot blocking *PRESENCE*, he does not have to block a shot all the time, sometimes establishing himself is all that is needed. Like Tyson Chandler, he NEVER leads the league in shot blocked but he has always been known as at least the All DEF 2nd team since for his career, every year

4- 1v1 DEF, if he can just DEF his man much better, it would be more than enough. There is no point of trying to be a HELP defender IF he consistently gets eaten up by his own man

5- Help defender, being selective on help DEF, when he learns to shut down his own man

gunsnewing wrote:The normal time table is 6 weeks. It will be interesting to see if people will be rushing him back sooner like they did with Lin. Then question his intentions

And we didn't even get to experience Brewermania first!

I wonder if the Josh Howard rumors will begin again. I think Barnes would be a nice fit. Not sure if anything is going to happen to him with his arrest.

The season starts 11/01. He should be able to play on 11/01 but will be out of shape for a week or two. Not a big deal.

OK. Another one bites the dust...
Seriously who cares, he is complimentary piece.
His absence will not make or break this team.
Plus/minus 1-2 games may be... so what?

arkrud wrote:OK. Another one bites the dust...
Seriously who cares, he is complimentary piece.
His absence will not make or break this team.
Plus/minus 1-2 games may be... so what?

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/03...

The season doesn't start for 8 wks, whats the big deal..The knicks are a injury plague franchise anyway..players get injuries when there not even playing..smh

some ask why were projected so low by espn..this is why

knicks1248 wrote:The season doesn't start for 8 wks, whats the big deal..The knicks are a injury plague franchise anyway..players get injuries when there not even playing..smh

some ask why were projected so low by espn..this is why

ESPN is anticipating more injuries to Knick players then other teams when they make their rankings?

NUPE wrote:The season starts 11/01. He should be able to play on 11/01 but will be out of shape for a week or two. Not a big deal.

+1

Ronnie Brewer being out for 6 weeks starting in early September should be our biggest problem this year.

Let's relax and get a grip...

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The season doesn't start for 8 wks, whats the big deal..The knicks are a injury plague franchise anyway..players get injuries when there not even playing..smh

some ask why were projected so low by espn..this is why

ESPN is anticipating more injuries to Knick players then other teams when they make their rankings?

Based on history prob. Knicks underachieved for most of last 20 years. No matter how much talent Knicks had in their lineups, they ended up finishing lower than anticipated.

muhaha wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The season doesn't start for 8 wks, whats the big deal..The knicks are a injury plague franchise anyway..players get injuries when there not even playing..smh

some ask why were projected so low by espn..this is why

ESPN is anticipating more injuries to Knick players then other teams when they make their rankings?

Based on history prob. Knicks underachieved for most of last 20 years. No matter how much talent Knicks had in their lineups, they ended up finishing lower than anticipated.

Underachieving and injuries are different things. Maybe espninterviewed team doctors and strength and conditioning coaches if they are factoring in potential injuries. I would love to see the formula they used to project rate of injuries for teams and their impact.

If this was a minor Arthroscopic repair job, I don't see it being a big deal. MOST of the time it's not a very serious recovery process. I think with Lin his was a bit tougher cuz he kept playing for a good long while on the injury. I remember them saying at the time that this could complicate his recovery. Then add in the contract thing and I think it added to the reasons Lin didn't get back sooner. I think Brewer will probably be a bit more of a normal length of time to recover. I'd rather this happen now than during the season.

As for all this worry about other injuries, it's just silly. Young and in shape player like D Rose, Lin and Shump got hurt so really ANYONE at anytime can bust a knee in this kind of game. Just cuz a guy is older doesn't necessarily mean he's definitely going to get injured. It all depends on the condition they stay in and how much wear and tear they have on their bodies and how much we push them. Thank goodness our older players don't have to log heavy minutes. Last year we had to push guys like Baron and it ended up being too much for them. Being able to keep Kidd's minutes down because we also have Priggy is going to be a huge plus.

nixluva wrote:If this was a minor Arthroscopic repair job, I don't see it being a big deal. MOST of the time it's not a very serious recovery process. I think with Lin his was a bit tougher cuz he kept playing for a good long while on the injury. I remember them saying at the time that this could complicate his recovery. Then add in the contract thing and I think it added to the reasons Lin didn't get back sooner. I think Brewer will probably be a bit more of a normal length of time to recover. I'd rather this happen now than during the season.

As for all this worry about other injuries, it's just silly. Young and in shape player like D Rose, Lin and Shump got hurt so really ANYONE at anytime can bust a knee in this kind of game. Just cuz a guy is older doesn't necessarily mean he's definitely going to get injured. It all depends on the condition they stay in and how much wear and tear they have on their bodies and how much we push them. Thank goodness our older players don't have to log heavy minutes. Last year we had to push guys like Baron and it ended up being too much for them. Being able to keep Kidd's minutes down because we also have Priggy is going to be a huge plus.

Great post.

Well, at least this happened before the season. But this was the type of thing I was worried about (and posted) when we let Lin go. We have a VERY OLD bench (some of it). One injury to a younger guy and that means Kidd, Camby, etc. will see more minutes and that can be risky. Iman is still a ways off, so we are already thin.

Nixluva - good post and all the more reason to stock up and not let talent go.

earthmansurfer wrote:Well, at least this happened before the season. But this was the type of thing I was worried about (and posted) when we let Lin go. We have a VERY OLD bench (some of it). One injury to a younger guy and that means Kidd, Camby, etc. will see more minutes and that can be risky. Iman is still a ways off, so we are already thin.

Nixluva - good post and all the more reason to stock up and not let talent go.

But to be fair, there is a chance that Lin could be injury prone. The way he plays, the way teams beat him up and the fact his knee broke down so quickly (worrying that there didn't seem to be one particular incident he could attribute it to). Still, we should have taken that chance. Interestingly, Brewer's agent said that his tear was also caused from wear and tear rather than a specific injury (hmm, shouldn't our medical staff have picked it up when we signed him).

I wouldn't judge James White by his summer league performance- he only decided to play at the last minute, was out of shape and was in cruise control mode- he said he was just going to try to get a feel for the system, and fit in and work on his passing, rather than play his game.

Anyways, lets hope it doesn't come down to that and Brewer makes a quick recovery.

smackeddog wrote:But to be fair, there is a chance that Lin could be injury prone. The way he plays, the way teams beat him up and the fact his knee broke down so quickly (worrying that there didn't seem to be one particular incident he could attribute it to). Still, we should have taken that chance. Interestingly, Brewer's agent said that his tear was also caused from wear and tear rather than a specific injury (hmm, shouldn't our medical staff have picked it up when we signed him)/

So, one injury is indicative of being injury prone? No one ever said that about Shump even though he's had more injuries, and a more serious one. There's a whole slew of players who've gotten meniscus tears but not once have I heard one of them labeled as 'injury prone.' Brewer even busted his meniscus in the offseason, not even playing a real game, but he's not 'injury prone.'

Is it perhaps that Lin is 'deceptively' injury prone, and that I'm one of those who have been deceived by his looks to not see the signs?

limpidgimp wrote:So, one injury is indicative of being injury prone? Never heard that about Shump even though he's had more injuries, and a more serious one. There's a whole slew of players who've gotten meniscus tears but not once have I heard one of them labeled as 'injury prone.'

No, but a meniscus tear that is due to chronic wear and tear after only 20 games or so is worrying. If it was caused by a particular incident there would be no problem, it would just be a freak occurence like Shumps. Yep, maybe it's because he went from 0 minutes to 40, and it was the compressed season, but for me it's a slight worry- will his knees hold up in the long run? Not sure.

Brewer also has a meniscus tear caused from chronic wear and tear, but he's been playing for years, so it's less of a red flag.

nixluva wrote:If this was a minor Arthroscopic repair job, I don't see it being a big deal. MOST of the time it's not a very serious recovery process. I think with Lin his was a bit tougher cuz he kept playing for a good long while on the injury. I remember them saying at the time that this could complicate his recovery. Then add in the contract thing and I think it added to the reasons Lin didn't get back sooner. I think Brewer will probably be a bit more of a normal length of time to recover. I'd rather this happen now than during the season.

As for all this worry about other injuries, it's just silly. Young and in shape player like D Rose, Lin and Shump got hurt so really ANYONE at anytime can bust a knee in this kind of game. Just cuz a guy is older doesn't necessarily mean he's definitely going to get injured. It all depends on the condition they stay in and how much wear and tear they have on their bodies and how much we push them. Thank goodness our older players don't have to log heavy minutes. Last year we had to push guys like Baron and it ended up being too much for them. Being able to keep Kidd's minutes down because we also have Priggy is going to be a huge plus.

Nix, I don't agree with a lot of what you write, but this really is right on the money. To me, it speaks to the point that just because we have some old players does not mean we are an old team. The key is that Kidd and Camby are in perfect situations for this point in their careers. We do not have to push them hard. Assuming Felton and Chandler stay healthy, Kidd and Camby can be true backups. Sure, they'll have some games where they log more minutes than others due to foul trouble or specific needs within a game, but overall, Woody should be able to manage their minutes, which should help protect them.

And for those who think we are old, our three best players (Melo, Amare, Chandler) average 28.7 years old. Miami's Big Three average 28.3 years old. And our other two starters are 28 (Felton) and 22 (Shumpert), and two key bench players (Smith and Novak) are 27 and 29. That is a team right in its prime, and one that can afford to have two aging former stars in Kidd and Camby come off the bench.

By the way, happy birthday, J.R. (born Sept. 9, 1985).

Personally I prefer a team full of IN PRIME players than guys still trying to figure it out. I think this team is going to surprise the pundits and some fans. Glen adding White, Copeland and Smith makes the team deeper. White is 6-7 and 200lbs so really he could easily play a little 2 guard. He's supposed to be really athletic, so maybe he can cover a few minutes a game to help us get by. Of course Kidd is always an option at SG too. I'm not too worried about it. On D I really hope to see more use of a Zone this year. That way our older guards won't have to chase shooters. That's what Dallas did with Kidd.