Knicks · Gallinari: Knicks will "never win" (page 11)

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Which shows when Melo wants to speak up in favor of teammates(people in his circle) he can and will. Just like he did for his boy Josh Selby but in this case the organization decided to go with Shump, only for Melo to follow up with an immature tweet about it. Guess what Shump and the Knicks made Melo get over Selby

The question is when it came time to speaking up for Lin again when it involved money and team import....Melo decided I'm speaking differently on it now this time without full support of a fellow teammate. The persona of Lin proved to be too much for Melo

Melo's quote regarding Lin's contract offer was presented and explained in context during the summer league game the day before things blew up about his words when they were taken out of the context in which he said them. Nothing wrong with what he said if its taken in context.

Also, several posters keep suggesting that the Knicks should have waited for free agency to sign Melo. Remember that the owners had told the players they were locking them out and that big changes were coming. Melo was going to get his before the more player friendly cba expired. If the Knicks didn't make the trade for Melo he goes somewhere else at the deadline.

No that was damage control at it's FINEST

But let's take what he said in context...He's still an idiot for saying it publicly especially since no contract had been agreed to at the time of him speaking on it.

And to continue...

Lin's contract breaks down to $8.3mil/yr. That's what his cap hit will be for Houston each year. 2yrs ago we paid Felton 2yrs/$13.5mil that's $6.5mil/$7mil respectively if you add another year that's $7.5mil in yr 3. 2yrs prior to we paid Duhon 2 yrs $11.5mil that's $5.5mil/$6mil respectively if you add another year that's $6.5mil in yr 3.

Which by comparison Lin received a contract that was fiscally richer by $4mil and $7mil in total value based on what Felton's/Duhon's pay scale would have been in progression. Is it really that "RIDICULOUS"

Okay but the contract breaks down differently with Lin

1yr $5mil
2yr $5.25mil
3yr $14.75mil

In year 1 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 2 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 3 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(because it's an "EXPIRING YEAR" what Knick fans have claimed is always valuable to have to facilitate trades in particular larger one's right?)

So what the hell was Melo really trying to say that would make what he said make sense? You can't clean up or clarify what was said and if you need to do this after the fact, then maybe just maybe the comment was OUTERSPACE to begin with.

Just because we had Lux Tax issue doesn't mean Lin's offer per what the market value suggested pgs were signing for this off-season, was "RIDICULOUS."

I tell you what is "RIDICULOUS"......anyone trying to defend Melo over what he said

I think you need to directly quote the entire interview not 'interpet the contract'. Also, am I correct in guessing that you didn't see the summer league game where the interveiw was played in its entirety?

I saw it and he's still a fool for saying it.

The sad part you don't get it and you never will.

You can pick whichever angle you want and it's dumb of him to say what he said

If he's saying Houston is dumb or "RIDICULOUS" for offering LIN the contract(which is what you're trying to spin it to favor Melo's rep) or the structure of the contract is "RIDICULOUS."

Well.....

It's still unwise on his part. There's nothing "RIDICULOUS" about Lin's contract nothing at all.

Am I correct in guessing You nor Melo understand the cap implication from Houston's perspective? I highlighted in the previous post another reason why it was unwise of him to say what he said.

Besides J.R. Smith made comments after Melo stating if Lin's contract was matched it would be a locker room problem. Take your pick as to who you think Earl has good rapport with on this team. Oh and Melo did not once try and clean up what Smith said or suggest Smith clean up his comments.... which is telling especially if by his comments he could be implicating you as one who could have an axe to grind with a former teammate over money that ain't theirs.

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Which shows when Melo wants to speak up in favor of teammates(people in his circle) he can and will. Just like he did for his boy Josh Selby but in this case the organization decided to go with Shump, only for Melo to follow up with an immature tweet about it. Guess what Shump and the Knicks made Melo get over Selby

The question is when it came time to speaking up for Lin again when it involved money and team import....Melo decided I'm speaking differently on it now this time without full support of a fellow teammate. The persona of Lin proved to be too much for Melo

Melo's quote regarding Lin's contract offer was presented and explained in context during the summer league game the day before things blew up about his words when they were taken out of the context in which he said them. Nothing wrong with what he said if its taken in context.

Also, several posters keep suggesting that the Knicks should have waited for free agency to sign Melo. Remember that the owners had told the players they were locking them out and that big changes were coming. Melo was going to get his before the more player friendly cba expired. If the Knicks didn't make the trade for Melo he goes somewhere else at the deadline.

No that was damage control at it's FINEST

But let's take what he said in context...He's still an idiot for saying it publicly especially since no contract had been agreed to at the time of him speaking on it.

And to continue...

Lin's contract breaks down to $8.3mil/yr. That's what his cap hit will be for Houston each year. 2yrs ago we paid Felton 2yrs/$13.5mil that's $6.5mil/$7mil respectively if you add another year that's $7.5mil in yr 3. 2yrs prior to we paid Duhon 2 yrs $11.5mil that's $5.5mil/$6mil respectively if you add another year that's $6.5mil in yr 3.

Which by comparison Lin received a contract that was fiscally richer by $4mil and $7mil in total value based on what Felton's/Duhon's pay scale would have been in progression. Is it really that "RIDICULOUS"

Okay but the contract breaks down differently with Lin

1yr $5mil
2yr $5.25mil
3yr $14.75mil

In year 1 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 2 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 3 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(because it's an "EXPIRING YEAR" what Knick fans have claimed is always valuable to have to facilitate trades in particular larger one's right?)

So what the hell was Melo really trying to say that would make what he said make sense? You can't clean up or clarify what was said and if you need to do this after the fact, then maybe just maybe the comment was OUTERSPACE to begin with.

Just because we had Lux Tax issue doesn't mean Lin's offer per what the market value suggested pgs were signing for this off-season, was "RIDICULOUS."

I tell you what is "RIDICULOUS"......anyone trying to defend Melo over what he said

I think you need to directly quote the entire interview not 'interpet the contract'. Also, am I correct in guessing that you didn't see the summer league game where the interveiw was played in its entirety?

I saw it and he's still a fool for saying it.

The sad part you don't get it and you never will.

You can pick whichever angle you want and it's dumb of him to say what he said

If he's saying Houston is dumb or "RIDICULOUS" for offering LIN the contract(which is what you're trying to spin it to favor Melo's rep) or the structure of the contract is "RIDICULOUS."

Well.....

It's still unwise on his part. There's nothing "RIDICULOUS" about Lin's contract nothing at all.

Am I correct in guessing You nor Melo understand the cap implication from Houston's perspective? I highlighted in the previous post another reason why it was unwise of him to say what he said.

Besides J.R. Smith made comments after Melo stating if Lin's contract was matched it would be a locker room problem. Take your pick as to who you think Earl has good rapport with on this team. Oh and Melo did not once try and clean up what Smith said or suggest Smith clean up his comments.... which is telling especially if by his comments he could be implicating you as one who could have an axe to grind with a former teammate over money that ain't theirs.

I think you are mistaken and don't realize that what every thing Melo says is spun some how into him being a villain. I have no problem with guys being pissed Lin wasn't resigned. It sucked. But the reaction to several words taken out of context by Melo by some is 'ridiculous'.

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Which shows when Melo wants to speak up in favor of teammates(people in his circle) he can and will. Just like he did for his boy Josh Selby but in this case the organization decided to go with Shump, only for Melo to follow up with an immature tweet about it. Guess what Shump and the Knicks made Melo get over Selby

The question is when it came time to speaking up for Lin again when it involved money and team import....Melo decided I'm speaking differently on it now this time without full support of a fellow teammate. The persona of Lin proved to be too much for Melo

Melo's quote regarding Lin's contract offer was presented and explained in context during the summer league game the day before things blew up about his words when they were taken out of the context in which he said them. Nothing wrong with what he said if its taken in context.

Also, several posters keep suggesting that the Knicks should have waited for free agency to sign Melo. Remember that the owners had told the players they were locking them out and that big changes were coming. Melo was going to get his before the more player friendly cba expired. If the Knicks didn't make the trade for Melo he goes somewhere else at the deadline.

No that was damage control at it's FINEST

But let's take what he said in context...He's still an idiot for saying it publicly especially since no contract had been agreed to at the time of him speaking on it.

And to continue...

Lin's contract breaks down to $8.3mil/yr. That's what his cap hit will be for Houston each year. 2yrs ago we paid Felton 2yrs/$13.5mil that's $6.5mil/$7mil respectively if you add another year that's $7.5mil in yr 3. 2yrs prior to we paid Duhon 2 yrs $11.5mil that's $5.5mil/$6mil respectively if you add another year that's $6.5mil in yr 3.

Which by comparison Lin received a contract that was fiscally richer by $4mil and $7mil in total value based on what Felton's/Duhon's pay scale would have been in progression. Is it really that "RIDICULOUS"

Okay but the contract breaks down differently with Lin

1yr $5mil
2yr $5.25mil
3yr $14.75mil

In year 1 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 2 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 3 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(because it's an "EXPIRING YEAR" what Knick fans have claimed is always valuable to have to facilitate trades in particular larger one's right?)

So what the hell was Melo really trying to say that would make what he said make sense? You can't clean up or clarify what was said and if you need to do this after the fact, then maybe just maybe the comment was OUTERSPACE to begin with.

Just because we had Lux Tax issue doesn't mean Lin's offer per what the market value suggested pgs were signing for this off-season, was "RIDICULOUS."

I tell you what is "RIDICULOUS"......anyone trying to defend Melo over what he said

I think you need to directly quote the entire interview not 'interpet the contract'. Also, am I correct in guessing that you didn't see the summer league game where the interveiw was played in its entirety?

I saw it and he's still a fool for saying it.

The sad part you don't get it and you never will.

You can pick whichever angle you want and it's dumb of him to say what he said

If he's saying Houston is dumb or "RIDICULOUS" for offering LIN the contract(which is what you're trying to spin it to favor Melo's rep) or the structure of the contract is "RIDICULOUS."

Well.....

It's still unwise on his part. There's nothing "RIDICULOUS" about Lin's contract nothing at all.

Am I correct in guessing You nor Melo understand the cap implication from Houston's perspective? I highlighted in the previous post another reason why it was unwise of him to say what he said.

Besides J.R. Smith made comments after Melo stating if Lin's contract was matched it would be a locker room problem. Take your pick as to who you think Earl has good rapport with on this team. Oh and Melo did not once try and clean up what Smith said or suggest Smith clean up his comments.... which is telling especially if by his comments he could be implicating you as one who could have an axe to grind with a former teammate over money that ain't theirs.

I think you are mistaken and don't realize that what every thing Melo says is spun some how into him being a villain. I have no problem with guys being pissed Lin wasn't resigned. It sucked. But the reaction to several words taken out of context by Melo by some is 'ridiculous'.

there were no words from amare taken out of context... chandler? no..... Kidd? no......shumpert? no.... the problem is, carmelo is always opening his mouth...

easy way out melo. and if he really meant it, this would have been easy..

" I enjoyed playing with lin, and I look forward to him getting his contract done and playing with him next season"..

the end!

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Which shows when Melo wants to speak up in favor of teammates(people in his circle) he can and will. Just like he did for his boy Josh Selby but in this case the organization decided to go with Shump, only for Melo to follow up with an immature tweet about it. Guess what Shump and the Knicks made Melo get over Selby

The question is when it came time to speaking up for Lin again when it involved money and team import....Melo decided I'm speaking differently on it now this time without full support of a fellow teammate. The persona of Lin proved to be too much for Melo

Melo's quote regarding Lin's contract offer was presented and explained in context during the summer league game the day before things blew up about his words when they were taken out of the context in which he said them. Nothing wrong with what he said if its taken in context.

Also, several posters keep suggesting that the Knicks should have waited for free agency to sign Melo. Remember that the owners had told the players they were locking them out and that big changes were coming. Melo was going to get his before the more player friendly cba expired. If the Knicks didn't make the trade for Melo he goes somewhere else at the deadline.

No that was damage control at it's FINEST

But let's take what he said in context...He's still an idiot for saying it publicly especially since no contract had been agreed to at the time of him speaking on it.

And to continue...

Lin's contract breaks down to $8.3mil/yr. That's what his cap hit will be for Houston each year. 2yrs ago we paid Felton 2yrs/$13.5mil that's $6.5mil/$7mil respectively if you add another year that's $7.5mil in yr 3. 2yrs prior to we paid Duhon 2 yrs $11.5mil that's $5.5mil/$6mil respectively if you add another year that's $6.5mil in yr 3.

Which by comparison Lin received a contract that was fiscally richer by $4mil and $7mil in total value based on what Felton's/Duhon's pay scale would have been in progression. Is it really that "RIDICULOUS"

Okay but the contract breaks down differently with Lin

1yr $5mil
2yr $5.25mil
3yr $14.75mil

In year 1 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 2 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 3 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(because it's an "EXPIRING YEAR" what Knick fans have claimed is always valuable to have to facilitate trades in particular larger one's right?)

So what the hell was Melo really trying to say that would make what he said make sense? You can't clean up or clarify what was said and if you need to do this after the fact, then maybe just maybe the comment was OUTERSPACE to begin with.

Just because we had Lux Tax issue doesn't mean Lin's offer per what the market value suggested pgs were signing for this off-season, was "RIDICULOUS."

I tell you what is "RIDICULOUS"......anyone trying to defend Melo over what he said

I think you need to directly quote the entire interview not 'interpet the contract'. Also, am I correct in guessing that you didn't see the summer league game where the interveiw was played in its entirety?

I saw it and he's still a fool for saying it.

The sad part you don't get it and you never will.

You can pick whichever angle you want and it's dumb of him to say what he said

If he's saying Houston is dumb or "RIDICULOUS" for offering LIN the contract(which is what you're trying to spin it to favor Melo's rep) or the structure of the contract is "RIDICULOUS."

Well.....

It's still unwise on his part. There's nothing "RIDICULOUS" about Lin's contract nothing at all.

Am I correct in guessing You nor Melo understand the cap implication from Houston's perspective? I highlighted in the previous post another reason why it was unwise of him to say what he said.

Besides J.R. Smith made comments after Melo stating if Lin's contract was matched it would be a locker room problem. Take your pick as to who you think Earl has good rapport with on this team. Oh and Melo did not once try and clean up what Smith said or suggest Smith clean up his comments.... which is telling especially if by his comments he could be implicating you as one who could have an axe to grind with a former teammate over money that ain't theirs.

I think you are mistaken and don't realize that what every thing Melo says is spun some how into him being a villain. I have no problem with guys being pissed Lin wasn't resigned. It sucked. But the reaction to several words taken out of context by Melo by some is 'ridiculous'.

there were no words from amare taken out of context... chandler? no..... Kidd? no......shumpert? no.... the problem is, carmelo is always opening his mouth...

easy way out melo. and if he really meant it, this would have been easy..

" I enjoyed playing with lin, and I look forward to him getting his contract done and playing with him next season"..

the end!

Melo Novak JR Tyson Felton Amare all commented on Lin's deal.

Some were positive, some not so much.

But the point is none should have said anything, and all of them were idiots for doing so.

knickscity wrote:The bottom line is that none of these guys should have commented.

Melo Novak JR Tyson Felton Amare all commented on Lin's deal.

Some were positive, some not so much.

But the point is none should have said anything, and all of them were idiots for doing so.

sure you can comment, I mean the players are in a union, so they should be for each other getting paid... saying " I wish lin gets everything he deserves" is a good thing...

saying " lin is worth whatever he can get" is a good thing...

saying " I hope lin gets paid" is a good thing..

Calling his contract ridiculous is just dumb..and considering the source... not surprised..

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:The bottom line is that none of these guys should have commented.

Melo Novak JR Tyson Felton Amare all commented on Lin's deal.

Some were positive, some not so much.

But the point is none should have said anything, and all of them were idiots for doing so.

sure you can comment, I mean the players are in a union, so they should be for each other getting paid... saying " I wish lin gets everything he deserves" is a good thing...

saying " lin is worth whatever he can get" is a good thing...

saying " I hope lin gets paid" is a good thing..

Calling his contract ridiculous is just dumb..and considering the source... not surprised..

These players have agents to negotiate their deals and can receive any amount within the scope of that agreement.

Players shouldn't talk about each others contract.

It doesn't happen in sports, and really nowhere when performers have agents.

BTW he wasn't the only one to call it ridiculous Novak did as well.

SLEEPY HOLLOW, N.Y. — Steve Novak hoped Linsanity would return to New York, but he agrees that Houston’s back-loaded, poison pill contract offer was “ridiculous.”

“It can be looked at as a ridiculous contract in the sense that it’s a $5 [million], a $5 [million] and a $15 [million over the first three years],” Novak told SNY.tv Wednesday at the Steve Novak Basketball Camp at Sleepy Hollow High School.

“It is kind of ridiculous in terms of the structure. I don’t think in terms of Jeremy’s value that it’s ridiculous. I think everybody knows that. He’s very valuable….I wasn’t there when Carmelo said it but ‘ridiculous contract,’ I think probably means more the fact that there’s a max offer being offered in the third year when the first two was a five.”

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/07/18/novak...

knickscity wrote:Novak......

SLEEPY HOLLOW, N.Y. — Steve Novak hoped Linsanity would return to New York, but he agrees that Houston’s back-loaded, poison pill contract offer was “ridiculous.”

“It can be looked at as a ridiculous contract in the sense that it’s a $5 [million], a $5 [million] and a $15 [million over the first three years],” Novak told SNY.tv Wednesday at the Steve Novak Basketball Camp at Sleepy Hollow High School.

“It is kind of ridiculous in terms of the structure. I don’t think in terms of Jeremy’s value that it’s ridiculous. I think everybody knows that. He’s very valuable….I wasn’t there when Carmelo said it but ‘ridiculous contract,’ I think probably means more the fact that there’s a max offer being offered in the third year when the first two was a five.”

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/07/18/novak...

looks like novak was trying to clean up carmelo's mess.. he is a good guy, good intentions... but look at what he said, he was clear.... melo just needs to keep quiet ...

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Which shows when Melo wants to speak up in favor of teammates(people in his circle) he can and will. Just like he did for his boy Josh Selby but in this case the organization decided to go with Shump, only for Melo to follow up with an immature tweet about it. Guess what Shump and the Knicks made Melo get over Selby

The question is when it came time to speaking up for Lin again when it involved money and team import....Melo decided I'm speaking differently on it now this time without full support of a fellow teammate. The persona of Lin proved to be too much for Melo

Melo's quote regarding Lin's contract offer was presented and explained in context during the summer league game the day before things blew up about his words when they were taken out of the context in which he said them. Nothing wrong with what he said if its taken in context.

Also, several posters keep suggesting that the Knicks should have waited for free agency to sign Melo. Remember that the owners had told the players they were locking them out and that big changes were coming. Melo was going to get his before the more player friendly cba expired. If the Knicks didn't make the trade for Melo he goes somewhere else at the deadline.

No that was damage control at it's FINEST

But let's take what he said in context...He's still an idiot for saying it publicly especially since no contract had been agreed to at the time of him speaking on it.

And to continue...

Lin's contract breaks down to $8.3mil/yr. That's what his cap hit will be for Houston each year. 2yrs ago we paid Felton 2yrs/$13.5mil that's $6.5mil/$7mil respectively if you add another year that's $7.5mil in yr 3. 2yrs prior to we paid Duhon 2 yrs $11.5mil that's $5.5mil/$6mil respectively if you add another year that's $6.5mil in yr 3.

Which by comparison Lin received a contract that was fiscally richer by $4mil and $7mil in total value based on what Felton's/Duhon's pay scale would have been in progression. Is it really that "RIDICULOUS"

Okay but the contract breaks down differently with Lin

1yr $5mil
2yr $5.25mil
3yr $14.75mil

In year 1 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 2 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 3 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(because it's an "EXPIRING YEAR" what Knick fans have claimed is always valuable to have to facilitate trades in particular larger one's right?)

So what the hell was Melo really trying to say that would make what he said make sense? You can't clean up or clarify what was said and if you need to do this after the fact, then maybe just maybe the comment was OUTERSPACE to begin with.

Just because we had Lux Tax issue doesn't mean Lin's offer per what the market value suggested pgs were signing for this off-season, was "RIDICULOUS."

I tell you what is "RIDICULOUS"......anyone trying to defend Melo over what he said

I think you need to directly quote the entire interview not 'interpet the contract'. Also, am I correct in guessing that you didn't see the summer league game where the interveiw was played in its entirety?

I saw it and he's still a fool for saying it.

The sad part you don't get it and you never will.

You can pick whichever angle you want and it's dumb of him to say what he said

If he's saying Houston is dumb or "RIDICULOUS" for offering LIN the contract(which is what you're trying to spin it to favor Melo's rep) or the structure of the contract is "RIDICULOUS."

Well.....

It's still unwise on his part. There's nothing "RIDICULOUS" about Lin's contract nothing at all.

Am I correct in guessing You nor Melo understand the cap implication from Houston's perspective? I highlighted in the previous post another reason why it was unwise of him to say what he said.

Besides J.R. Smith made comments after Melo stating if Lin's contract was matched it would be a locker room problem. Take your pick as to who you think Earl has good rapport with on this team. Oh and Melo did not once try and clean up what Smith said or suggest Smith clean up his comments.... which is telling especially if by his comments he could be implicating you as one who could have an axe to grind with a former teammate over money that ain't theirs.

I think you are mistaken and don't realize that what every thing Melo says is spun some how into him being a villain. I have no problem with guys being pissed Lin wasn't resigned. It sucked. But the reaction to several words taken out of context by Melo by some is 'ridiculous'.

there were no words from amare taken out of context... chandler? no..... Kidd? no......shumpert? no.... the problem is, carmelo is always opening his mouth...

easy way out melo. and if he really meant it, this would have been easy..

" I enjoyed playing with lin, and I look forward to him getting his contract done and playing with him next season"..

the end!

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:Novak......

SLEEPY HOLLOW, N.Y. — Steve Novak hoped Linsanity would return to New York, but he agrees that Houston’s back-loaded, poison pill contract offer was “ridiculous.”

“It can be looked at as a ridiculous contract in the sense that it’s a $5 [million], a $5 [million] and a $15 [million over the first three years],” Novak told SNY.tv Wednesday at the Steve Novak Basketball Camp at Sleepy Hollow High School.

“It is kind of ridiculous in terms of the structure. I don’t think in terms of Jeremy’s value that it’s ridiculous. I think everybody knows that. He’s very valuable….I wasn’t there when Carmelo said it but ‘ridiculous contract,’ I think probably means more the fact that there’s a max offer being offered in the third year when the first two was a five.”

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/07/18/novak...

looks like novak was trying to clean up carmelo's mess.. he is a good guy, good intentions... but look at what he said, he was clear.... melo just needs to keep quiet ...

Nah, he agreed, but tried to lessen the blow.

but the point is these guys should be saying anything, and it doesn't happen any other time.

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:Novak......

SLEEPY HOLLOW, N.Y. — Steve Novak hoped Linsanity would return to New York, but he agrees that Houston’s back-loaded, poison pill contract offer was “ridiculous.”

“It can be looked at as a ridiculous contract in the sense that it’s a $5 [million], a $5 [million] and a $15 [million over the first three years],” Novak told SNY.tv Wednesday at the Steve Novak Basketball Camp at Sleepy Hollow High School.

“It is kind of ridiculous in terms of the structure. I don’t think in terms of Jeremy’s value that it’s ridiculous. I think everybody knows that. He’s very valuable….I wasn’t there when Carmelo said it but ‘ridiculous contract,’ I think probably means more the fact that there’s a max offer being offered in the third year when the first two was a five.”

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/07/18/novak...

looks like novak was trying to clean up carmelo's mess.. he is a good guy, good intentions... but look at what he said, he was clear.... melo just needs to keep quiet ...

Nah, he agreed, but tried to lessen the blow.

but the point is these guys should be saying anything, and it doesn't happen any other time.

nah, he was house cleaning for the messy kid...

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:Novak......

SLEEPY HOLLOW, N.Y. — Steve Novak hoped Linsanity would return to New York, but he agrees that Houston’s back-loaded, poison pill contract offer was “ridiculous.”

“It can be looked at as a ridiculous contract in the sense that it’s a $5 [million], a $5 [million] and a $15 [million over the first three years],” Novak told SNY.tv Wednesday at the Steve Novak Basketball Camp at Sleepy Hollow High School.

“It is kind of ridiculous in terms of the structure. I don’t think in terms of Jeremy’s value that it’s ridiculous. I think everybody knows that. He’s very valuable….I wasn’t there when Carmelo said it but ‘ridiculous contract,’ I think probably means more the fact that there’s a max offer being offered in the third year when the first two was a five.”

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/07/18/novak...

looks like novak was trying to clean up carmelo's mess.. he is a good guy, good intentions... but look at what he said, he was clear.... melo just needs to keep quiet ...

Nah, he agreed, but tried to lessen the blow.

but the point is these guys should be saying anything, and it doesn't happen any other time.

nah, he was house cleaning for the messy kid...

This is something players just don't do.

Name another player or even a handful that other players commented on another player's deal?

doesn't happen.

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Which shows when Melo wants to speak up in favor of teammates(people in his circle) he can and will. Just like he did for his boy Josh Selby but in this case the organization decided to go with Shump, only for Melo to follow up with an immature tweet about it. Guess what Shump and the Knicks made Melo get over Selby

The question is when it came time to speaking up for Lin again when it involved money and team import....Melo decided I'm speaking differently on it now this time without full support of a fellow teammate. The persona of Lin proved to be too much for Melo

Melo's quote regarding Lin's contract offer was presented and explained in context during the summer league game the day before things blew up about his words when they were taken out of the context in which he said them. Nothing wrong with what he said if its taken in context.

Also, several posters keep suggesting that the Knicks should have waited for free agency to sign Melo. Remember that the owners had told the players they were locking them out and that big changes were coming. Melo was going to get his before the more player friendly cba expired. If the Knicks didn't make the trade for Melo he goes somewhere else at the deadline.

No that was damage control at it's FINEST

But let's take what he said in context...He's still an idiot for saying it publicly especially since no contract had been agreed to at the time of him speaking on it.

And to continue...

Lin's contract breaks down to $8.3mil/yr. That's what his cap hit will be for Houston each year. 2yrs ago we paid Felton 2yrs/$13.5mil that's $6.5mil/$7mil respectively if you add another year that's $7.5mil in yr 3. 2yrs prior to we paid Duhon 2 yrs $11.5mil that's $5.5mil/$6mil respectively if you add another year that's $6.5mil in yr 3.

Which by comparison Lin received a contract that was fiscally richer by $4mil and $7mil in total value based on what Felton's/Duhon's pay scale would have been in progression. Is it really that "RIDICULOUS"

Okay but the contract breaks down differently with Lin

1yr $5mil
2yr $5.25mil
3yr $14.75mil

In year 1 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 2 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 3 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(because it's an "EXPIRING YEAR" what Knick fans have claimed is always valuable to have to facilitate trades in particular larger one's right?)

So what the hell was Melo really trying to say that would make what he said make sense? You can't clean up or clarify what was said and if you need to do this after the fact, then maybe just maybe the comment was OUTERSPACE to begin with.

Just because we had Lux Tax issue doesn't mean Lin's offer per what the market value suggested pgs were signing for this off-season, was "RIDICULOUS."

I tell you what is "RIDICULOUS"......anyone trying to defend Melo over what he said

I think you need to directly quote the entire interview not 'interpet the contract'. Also, am I correct in guessing that you didn't see the summer league game where the interveiw was played in its entirety?

I saw it and he's still a fool for saying it.

The sad part you don't get it and you never will.

You can pick whichever angle you want and it's dumb of him to say what he said

If he's saying Houston is dumb or "RIDICULOUS" for offering LIN the contract(which is what you're trying to spin it to favor Melo's rep) or the structure of the contract is "RIDICULOUS."

Well.....

It's still unwise on his part. There's nothing "RIDICULOUS" about Lin's contract nothing at all.

Am I correct in guessing You nor Melo understand the cap implication from Houston's perspective? I highlighted in the previous post another reason why it was unwise of him to say what he said.

Besides J.R. Smith made comments after Melo stating if Lin's contract was matched it would be a locker room problem. Take your pick as to who you think Earl has good rapport with on this team. Oh and Melo did not once try and clean up what Smith said or suggest Smith clean up his comments.... which is telling especially if by his comments he could be implicating you as one who could have an axe to grind with a former teammate over money that ain't theirs.

I think you are mistaken and don't realize that what every thing Melo says is spun some how into him being a villain. I have no problem with guys being pissed Lin wasn't resigned. It sucked. But the reaction to several words taken out of context by Melo by some is 'ridiculous'.

No everything Melo says is not taken out of context but of course you'll try and paint him as some misunderstood sheep. There are some things he just shouldn't say period. I believe he was thinking Houston's offering him the contract was "RIDICULOUS" which once again is dumb on his part to say. I'm trying to show you even if his initial statement was misunderstood even when trying to clean it up he still comes off as a fool.

Take for instance Melo said he feels "His Time Is Coming" and there's no taking this out of context. I personally feel it's kind of canned and corny. I think Durant said the same thing except Durant qualified his statement in that he shouldn't have to wait until it's his prime yrs to feel "His Time Is Coming" and that "His Time Is Now."

Once again not everything Melo says is taken out of context. Melo unfortunately has said some pretty moronic stuff this off-season for sure and it's not debatable.

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Which shows when Melo wants to speak up in favor of teammates(people in his circle) he can and will. Just like he did for his boy Josh Selby but in this case the organization decided to go with Shump, only for Melo to follow up with an immature tweet about it. Guess what Shump and the Knicks made Melo get over Selby

The question is when it came time to speaking up for Lin again when it involved money and team import....Melo decided I'm speaking differently on it now this time without full support of a fellow teammate. The persona of Lin proved to be too much for Melo

Melo's quote regarding Lin's contract offer was presented and explained in context during the summer league game the day before things blew up about his words when they were taken out of the context in which he said them. Nothing wrong with what he said if its taken in context.

Also, several posters keep suggesting that the Knicks should have waited for free agency to sign Melo. Remember that the owners had told the players they were locking them out and that big changes were coming. Melo was going to get his before the more player friendly cba expired. If the Knicks didn't make the trade for Melo he goes somewhere else at the deadline.

No that was damage control at it's FINEST

But let's take what he said in context...He's still an idiot for saying it publicly especially since no contract had been agreed to at the time of him speaking on it.

And to continue...

Lin's contract breaks down to $8.3mil/yr. That's what his cap hit will be for Houston each year. 2yrs ago we paid Felton 2yrs/$13.5mil that's $6.5mil/$7mil respectively if you add another year that's $7.5mil in yr 3. 2yrs prior to we paid Duhon 2 yrs $11.5mil that's $5.5mil/$6mil respectively if you add another year that's $6.5mil in yr 3.

Which by comparison Lin received a contract that was fiscally richer by $4mil and $7mil in total value based on what Felton's/Duhon's pay scale would have been in progression. Is it really that "RIDICULOUS"

Okay but the contract breaks down differently with Lin

1yr $5mil
2yr $5.25mil
3yr $14.75mil

In year 1 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 2 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 3 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(because it's an "EXPIRING YEAR" what Knick fans have claimed is always valuable to have to facilitate trades in particular larger one's right?)

So what the hell was Melo really trying to say that would make what he said make sense? You can't clean up or clarify what was said and if you need to do this after the fact, then maybe just maybe the comment was OUTERSPACE to begin with.

Just because we had Lux Tax issue doesn't mean Lin's offer per what the market value suggested pgs were signing for this off-season, was "RIDICULOUS."

I tell you what is "RIDICULOUS"......anyone trying to defend Melo over what he said

I think you need to directly quote the entire interview not 'interpet the contract'. Also, am I correct in guessing that you didn't see the summer league game where the interveiw was played in its entirety?

I saw it and he's still a fool for saying it.

The sad part you don't get it and you never will.

You can pick whichever angle you want and it's dumb of him to say what he said

If he's saying Houston is dumb or "RIDICULOUS" for offering LIN the contract(which is what you're trying to spin it to favor Melo's rep) or the structure of the contract is "RIDICULOUS."

Well.....

It's still unwise on his part. There's nothing "RIDICULOUS" about Lin's contract nothing at all.

Am I correct in guessing You nor Melo understand the cap implication from Houston's perspective? I highlighted in the previous post another reason why it was unwise of him to say what he said.

Besides J.R. Smith made comments after Melo stating if Lin's contract was matched it would be a locker room problem. Take your pick as to who you think Earl has good rapport with on this team. Oh and Melo did not once try and clean up what Smith said or suggest Smith clean up his comments.... which is telling especially if by his comments he could be implicating you as one who could have an axe to grind with a former teammate over money that ain't theirs.

I think you are mistaken and don't realize that what every thing Melo says is spun some how into him being a villain. I have no problem with guys being pissed Lin wasn't resigned. It sucked. But the reaction to several words taken out of context by Melo by some is 'ridiculous'.

No everything Melo says is not taken out of context but of course you'll try and paint him as some misunderstood sheep. There are some things he just shouldn't say period. I believe he was thinking Houston's offering him the contract was "RIDICULOUS" which once again is dumb on his part to say. I'm trying to show you even if his initial statement was misunderstood even when trying to clean it up he still comes off as a fool.

Take for instance Melo said he feels "His Time Is Coming" and there's no taking this out of context. I personally feel it's kind of canned and corny. I think Durant said the same thing except Durant qualified his statement in that he shouldn't have to wait until it's his prime yrs to feel "His Time Is Coming" and that "His Time Is Now."

Once again not everything Melo says is taken out of context. Melo unfortunately has said some pretty moronic stuff this off-season for sure and it's not debatable.

It was a very dumb thing to do/say. Athletes say dumb things too often (e.g. Ewing). I do not give him a pass on this one.

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Which shows when Melo wants to speak up in favor of teammates(people in his circle) he can and will. Just like he did for his boy Josh Selby but in this case the organization decided to go with Shump, only for Melo to follow up with an immature tweet about it. Guess what Shump and the Knicks made Melo get over Selby

The question is when it came time to speaking up for Lin again when it involved money and team import....Melo decided I'm speaking differently on it now this time without full support of a fellow teammate. The persona of Lin proved to be too much for Melo

Melo's quote regarding Lin's contract offer was presented and explained in context during the summer league game the day before things blew up about his words when they were taken out of the context in which he said them. Nothing wrong with what he said if its taken in context.

Also, several posters keep suggesting that the Knicks should have waited for free agency to sign Melo. Remember that the owners had told the players they were locking them out and that big changes were coming. Melo was going to get his before the more player friendly cba expired. If the Knicks didn't make the trade for Melo he goes somewhere else at the deadline.

No that was damage control at it's FINEST

But let's take what he said in context...He's still an idiot for saying it publicly especially since no contract had been agreed to at the time of him speaking on it.

And to continue...

Lin's contract breaks down to $8.3mil/yr. That's what his cap hit will be for Houston each year. 2yrs ago we paid Felton 2yrs/$13.5mil that's $6.5mil/$7mil respectively if you add another year that's $7.5mil in yr 3. 2yrs prior to we paid Duhon 2 yrs $11.5mil that's $5.5mil/$6mil respectively if you add another year that's $6.5mil in yr 3.

Which by comparison Lin received a contract that was fiscally richer by $4mil and $7mil in total value based on what Felton's/Duhon's pay scale would have been in progression. Is it really that "RIDICULOUS"

Okay but the contract breaks down differently with Lin

1yr $5mil
2yr $5.25mil
3yr $14.75mil

In year 1 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 2 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 3 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(because it's an "EXPIRING YEAR" what Knick fans have claimed is always valuable to have to facilitate trades in particular larger one's right?)

So what the hell was Melo really trying to say that would make what he said make sense? You can't clean up or clarify what was said and if you need to do this after the fact, then maybe just maybe the comment was OUTERSPACE to begin with.

Just because we had Lux Tax issue doesn't mean Lin's offer per what the market value suggested pgs were signing for this off-season, was "RIDICULOUS."

I tell you what is "RIDICULOUS"......anyone trying to defend Melo over what he said

I think you need to directly quote the entire interview not 'interpet the contract'. Also, am I correct in guessing that you didn't see the summer league game where the interveiw was played in its entirety?

I saw it and he's still a fool for saying it.

The sad part you don't get it and you never will.

You can pick whichever angle you want and it's dumb of him to say what he said

If he's saying Houston is dumb or "RIDICULOUS" for offering LIN the contract(which is what you're trying to spin it to favor Melo's rep) or the structure of the contract is "RIDICULOUS."

Well.....

It's still unwise on his part. There's nothing "RIDICULOUS" about Lin's contract nothing at all.

Am I correct in guessing You nor Melo understand the cap implication from Houston's perspective? I highlighted in the previous post another reason why it was unwise of him to say what he said.

Besides J.R. Smith made comments after Melo stating if Lin's contract was matched it would be a locker room problem. Take your pick as to who you think Earl has good rapport with on this team. Oh and Melo did not once try and clean up what Smith said or suggest Smith clean up his comments.... which is telling especially if by his comments he could be implicating you as one who could have an axe to grind with a former teammate over money that ain't theirs.

I think you are mistaken and don't realize that what every thing Melo says is spun some how into him being a villain. I have no problem with guys being pissed Lin wasn't resigned. It sucked. But the reaction to several words taken out of context by Melo by some is 'ridiculous'.

No everything Melo says is not taken out of context but of course you'll try and paint him as some misunderstood sheep. There are some things he just shouldn't say period. I believe he was thinking Houston's offering him the contract was "RIDICULOUS" which once again is dumb on his part to say. I'm trying to show you even if his initial statement was misunderstood even when trying to clean it up he still comes off as a fool.

Take for instance Melo said he feels "His Time Is Coming" and there's no taking this out of context. I personally feel it's kind of canned and corny. I think Durant said the same thing except Durant qualified his statement in that he shouldn't have to wait until it's his prime yrs to feel "His Time Is Coming" and that "His Time Is Now."

Once again not everything Melo says is taken out of context. Melo unfortunately has said some pretty moronic stuff this off-season for sure and it's not debatable.

It was a very dumb thing to do/say. Athletes say dumb things too often (e.g. Ewing). I do not give him a pass on this one.

CrushAlot wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Which shows when Melo wants to speak up in favor of teammates(people in his circle) he can and will. Just like he did for his boy Josh Selby but in this case the organization decided to go with Shump, only for Melo to follow up with an immature tweet about it. Guess what Shump and the Knicks made Melo get over Selby

The question is when it came time to speaking up for Lin again when it involved money and team import....Melo decided I'm speaking differently on it now this time without full support of a fellow teammate. The persona of Lin proved to be too much for Melo

Melo's quote regarding Lin's contract offer was presented and explained in context during the summer league game the day before things blew up about his words when they were taken out of the context in which he said them. Nothing wrong with what he said if its taken in context.

Also, several posters keep suggesting that the Knicks should have waited for free agency to sign Melo. Remember that the owners had told the players they were locking them out and that big changes were coming. Melo was going to get his before the more player friendly cba expired. If the Knicks didn't make the trade for Melo he goes somewhere else at the deadline.

No that was damage control at it's FINEST

But let's take what he said in context...He's still an idiot for saying it publicly especially since no contract had been agreed to at the time of him speaking on it.

And to continue...

Lin's contract breaks down to $8.3mil/yr. That's what his cap hit will be for Houston each year. 2yrs ago we paid Felton 2yrs/$13.5mil that's $6.5mil/$7mil respectively if you add another year that's $7.5mil in yr 3. 2yrs prior to we paid Duhon 2 yrs $11.5mil that's $5.5mil/$6mil respectively if you add another year that's $6.5mil in yr 3.

Which by comparison Lin received a contract that was fiscally richer by $4mil and $7mil in total value based on what Felton's/Duhon's pay scale would have been in progression. Is it really that "RIDICULOUS"

Okay but the contract breaks down differently with Lin

1yr $5mil
2yr $5.25mil
3yr $14.75mil

In year 1 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 2 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 3 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(because it's an "EXPIRING YEAR" what Knick fans have claimed is always valuable to have to facilitate trades in particular larger one's right?)

So what the hell was Melo really trying to say that would make what he said make sense? You can't clean up or clarify what was said and if you need to do this after the fact, then maybe just maybe the comment was OUTERSPACE to begin with.

Just because we had Lux Tax issue doesn't mean Lin's offer per what the market value suggested pgs were signing for this off-season, was "RIDICULOUS."

I tell you what is "RIDICULOUS"......anyone trying to defend Melo over what he said

I think you need to directly quote the entire interview not 'interpet the contract'. Also, am I correct in guessing that you didn't see the summer league game where the interveiw was played in its entirety?

I saw it and he's still a fool for saying it.

The sad part you don't get it and you never will.

You can pick whichever angle you want and it's dumb of him to say what he said

If he's saying Houston is dumb or "RIDICULOUS" for offering LIN the contract(which is what you're trying to spin it to favor Melo's rep) or the structure of the contract is "RIDICULOUS."

Well.....

It's still unwise on his part. There's nothing "RIDICULOUS" about Lin's contract nothing at all.

Am I correct in guessing You nor Melo understand the cap implication from Houston's perspective? I highlighted in the previous post another reason why it was unwise of him to say what he said.

Besides J.R. Smith made comments after Melo stating if Lin's contract was matched it would be a locker room problem. Take your pick as to who you think Earl has good rapport with on this team. Oh and Melo did not once try and clean up what Smith said or suggest Smith clean up his comments.... which is telling especially if by his comments he could be implicating you as one who could have an axe to grind with a former teammate over money that ain't theirs.

I think you are mistaken and don't realize that what every thing Melo says is spun some how into him being a villain. I have no problem with guys being pissed Lin wasn't resigned. It sucked. But the reaction to several words taken out of context by Melo by some is 'ridiculous'.

No everything Melo says is not taken out of context but of course you'll try and paint him as some misunderstood sheep. There are some things he just shouldn't say period. I believe he was thinking Houston's offering him the contract was "RIDICULOUS" which once again is dumb on his part to say. I'm trying to show you even if his initial statement was misunderstood even when trying to clean it up he still comes off as a fool.

Take for instance Melo said he feels "His Time Is Coming" and there's no taking this out of context. I personally feel it's kind of canned and corny. I think Durant said the same thing except Durant qualified his statement in that he shouldn't have to wait until it's his prime yrs to feel "His Time Is Coming" and that "His Time Is Now."

Once again not everything Melo says is taken out of context. Melo unfortunately has said some pretty moronic stuff this off-season for sure and it's not debatable.

It was a very dumb thing to do/say. Athletes say dumb things too often (e.g. Ewing). I do not give him a pass on this one.

Apparently you are one of many. If heard in context I just don't see the reason for all the hate. Lin leaving sucked. That contract sucked. Fans reactions to the media spin on Anthony's commet, ridiculous.

Don't think we need to delve into context. A simple "No Comment" would suffice when asked or discussing another players contract. Why put himself in this predicament - just shut up and say nothing.

mrKnickShot wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Which shows when Melo wants to speak up in favor of teammates(people in his circle) he can and will. Just like he did for his boy Josh Selby but in this case the organization decided to go with Shump, only for Melo to follow up with an immature tweet about it. Guess what Shump and the Knicks made Melo get over Selby

The question is when it came time to speaking up for Lin again when it involved money and team import....Melo decided I'm speaking differently on it now this time without full support of a fellow teammate. The persona of Lin proved to be too much for Melo

Melo's quote regarding Lin's contract offer was presented and explained in context during the summer league game the day before things blew up about his words when they were taken out of the context in which he said them. Nothing wrong with what he said if its taken in context.

Also, several posters keep suggesting that the Knicks should have waited for free agency to sign Melo. Remember that the owners had told the players they were locking them out and that big changes were coming. Melo was going to get his before the more player friendly cba expired. If the Knicks didn't make the trade for Melo he goes somewhere else at the deadline.

No that was damage control at it's FINEST

But let's take what he said in context...He's still an idiot for saying it publicly especially since no contract had been agreed to at the time of him speaking on it.

And to continue...

Lin's contract breaks down to $8.3mil/yr. That's what his cap hit will be for Houston each year. 2yrs ago we paid Felton 2yrs/$13.5mil that's $6.5mil/$7mil respectively if you add another year that's $7.5mil in yr 3. 2yrs prior to we paid Duhon 2 yrs $11.5mil that's $5.5mil/$6mil respectively if you add another year that's $6.5mil in yr 3.

Which by comparison Lin received a contract that was fiscally richer by $4mil and $7mil in total value based on what Felton's/Duhon's pay scale would have been in progression. Is it really that "RIDICULOUS"

Okay but the contract breaks down differently with Lin

1yr $5mil
2yr $5.25mil
3yr $14.75mil

In year 1 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 2 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 3 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(because it's an "EXPIRING YEAR" what Knick fans have claimed is always valuable to have to facilitate trades in particular larger one's right?)

So what the hell was Melo really trying to say that would make what he said make sense? You can't clean up or clarify what was said and if you need to do this after the fact, then maybe just maybe the comment was OUTERSPACE to begin with.

Just because we had Lux Tax issue doesn't mean Lin's offer per what the market value suggested pgs were signing for this off-season, was "RIDICULOUS."

I tell you what is "RIDICULOUS"......anyone trying to defend Melo over what he said

I think you need to directly quote the entire interview not 'interpet the contract'. Also, am I correct in guessing that you didn't see the summer league game where the interveiw was played in its entirety?

I saw it and he's still a fool for saying it.

The sad part you don't get it and you never will.

You can pick whichever angle you want and it's dumb of him to say what he said

If he's saying Houston is dumb or "RIDICULOUS" for offering LIN the contract(which is what you're trying to spin it to favor Melo's rep) or the structure of the contract is "RIDICULOUS."

Well.....

It's still unwise on his part. There's nothing "RIDICULOUS" about Lin's contract nothing at all.

Am I correct in guessing You nor Melo understand the cap implication from Houston's perspective? I highlighted in the previous post another reason why it was unwise of him to say what he said.

Besides J.R. Smith made comments after Melo stating if Lin's contract was matched it would be a locker room problem. Take your pick as to who you think Earl has good rapport with on this team. Oh and Melo did not once try and clean up what Smith said or suggest Smith clean up his comments.... which is telling especially if by his comments he could be implicating you as one who could have an axe to grind with a former teammate over money that ain't theirs.

I think you are mistaken and don't realize that what every thing Melo says is spun some how into him being a villain. I have no problem with guys being pissed Lin wasn't resigned. It sucked. But the reaction to several words taken out of context by Melo by some is 'ridiculous'.

No everything Melo says is not taken out of context but of course you'll try and paint him as some misunderstood sheep. There are some things he just shouldn't say period. I believe he was thinking Houston's offering him the contract was "RIDICULOUS" which once again is dumb on his part to say. I'm trying to show you even if his initial statement was misunderstood even when trying to clean it up he still comes off as a fool.

Take for instance Melo said he feels "His Time Is Coming" and there's no taking this out of context. I personally feel it's kind of canned and corny. I think Durant said the same thing except Durant qualified his statement in that he shouldn't have to wait until it's his prime yrs to feel "His Time Is Coming" and that "His Time Is Now."

Once again not everything Melo says is taken out of context. Melo unfortunately has said some pretty moronic stuff this off-season for sure and it's not debatable.

It was a very dumb thing to do/say. Athletes say dumb things too often (e.g. Ewing). I do not give him a pass on this one.

Apparently you are one of many. If heard in context I just don't see the reason for all the hate. Lin leaving sucked. That contract sucked. Fans reactions to the media spin on Anthony's commet, ridiculous.

Don't think we need to delve into context. A simple "No Comment" would suffice when asked or discussing another players contract. Why put himself in this predicament - just shut up and say nothing.

How come Novak gets no blow back from this...Didn't he basically say the same thing..Like anything else people who don't like him will use a parking ticket to blame him for the things they don't like about the Knicks...For Christ sake, they are blaming him for Landry Fields play, Amare's play with no PG and injuries and Lin not resigning...Think about that...They have built what they think is an educated argument as to why he played a role in Lin not being resigned and argue this point for months on end...