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smackeddog wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Can't wait to see this guy dominate the ball again
Based on that picture, that's actually the right play Bonn.
Ha, talk about spoilt for choice- if you were melo, who would you pass to in that situation: Landry Fields (25.6% 3pt) or Toney Douglas (23.1% 3pt). Melo can be a ball hog, but sometimes I get why he takes all the shots.
Fields was 26% overall. That percentages could easily be in the mid 30s on wide open 3s and mid teens on contested 3s. (The shot in the above scenario would have been wide open.) Meanwhile, Melo's percentage on contested shots (even just single-coverage contested shots) is quite bad. No matter how much you like to knock Fields, a wide open shot by Field's is a better shot than a triple-teamed shot by Carmelo.
Nalod's right about the bigger picture and the Melo trade, though.
Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Can't wait to see this guy dominate the ball again
Based on that picture, that's actually the right play Bonn.
Ha, talk about spoilt for choice- if you were melo, who would you pass to in that situation: Landry Fields (25.6% 3pt) or Toney Douglas (23.1% 3pt). Melo can be a ball hog, but sometimes I get why he takes all the shots.
Fields was 25.6% overall. That's probably around 40% on wide open 3s and 10% on contested 3s. Meanwhile, Melo's percentage on contested shots (even just single-coverage contested shots) is quite bad. No matter how much you like to knock Fields, a wide open shot by Field's is a better shot than a triple-teamed shot by Carmelo.
Nalod's right about the bigger picture and the Melo trade, though.
he takes all the shots because he is not interested in building synergy with his teammates. he is not interested in building confidence, and sharing the ball in order to help maintain overall focus.
this is the same problem, the exact same problem, that stoudemire manifests.
putting the burden on lesser players, claiming they need to step up, is profoundly misguided and in fact perverse.
can't wait for someone to say "these guys are professionals it's their job to maintain focus."
dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Can't wait to see this guy dominate the ball again
Based on that picture, that's actually the right play Bonn.
Ha, talk about spoilt for choice- if you were melo, who would you pass to in that situation: Landry Fields (25.6% 3pt) or Toney Douglas (23.1% 3pt). Melo can be a ball hog, but sometimes I get why he takes all the shots.
Fields was 25.6% overall. That's probably around 40% on wide open 3s and 10% on contested 3s. Meanwhile, Melo's percentage on contested shots (even just single-coverage contested shots) is quite bad. No matter how much you like to knock Fields, a wide open shot by Field's is a better shot than a triple-teamed shot by Carmelo.
Nalod's right about the bigger picture and the Melo trade, though.he takes all the shots because he is not interested in building synergy with his teammates. he is not interested in building confidence, and sharing the ball in order to help maintain overall focus.
this is the same problem, the exact same problem, that stoudemire manifests.
putting the burden on lesser players, claiming they need to step up, is profoundly misguided and in fact perverse.
can't wait for someone to say "these guys are professionals it's their job to maintain focus."
Darn, I edited the numbers a little bit after you quoted me because I gave it some more thought.
I'm not sure if Melo takes so many bad shots because he doesn't have confidence in his teammates or because he has too much confidence in himself. I feel like if someone ever showed him the stats on his FG% on contested shots in general (but especially mid range ones), it would have to be an eye-opening experience for him.
dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Can't wait to see this guy dominate the ball again
Based on that picture, that's actually the right play Bonn.
Ha, talk about spoilt for choice- if you were melo, who would you pass to in that situation: Landry Fields (25.6% 3pt) or Toney Douglas (23.1% 3pt). Melo can be a ball hog, but sometimes I get why he takes all the shots.
Fields was 25.6% overall. That's probably around 40% on wide open 3s and 10% on contested 3s. Meanwhile, Melo's percentage on contested shots (even just single-coverage contested shots) is quite bad. No matter how much you like to knock Fields, a wide open shot by Field's is a better shot than a triple-teamed shot by Carmelo.
Nalod's right about the bigger picture and the Melo trade, though.he takes all the shots because he is not interested in building synergy with his teammates. he is not interested in building confidence, and sharing the ball in order to help maintain overall focus.
this is the same problem, the exact same problem, that stoudemire manifests.
putting the burden on lesser players, claiming they need to step up, is profoundly misguided and in fact perverse.
can't wait for someone to say "these guys are professionals it's their job to maintain focus."
You lost me at "synergy"
93BUICK wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Can't wait to see this guy dominate the ball again
Based on that picture, that's actually the right play Bonn.
Ha, talk about spoilt for choice- if you were melo, who would you pass to in that situation: Landry Fields (25.6% 3pt) or Toney Douglas (23.1% 3pt). Melo can be a ball hog, but sometimes I get why he takes all the shots.
Fields was 25.6% overall. That's probably around 40% on wide open 3s and 10% on contested 3s. Meanwhile, Melo's percentage on contested shots (even just single-coverage contested shots) is quite bad. No matter how much you like to knock Fields, a wide open shot by Field's is a better shot than a triple-teamed shot by Carmelo.
Nalod's right about the bigger picture and the Melo trade, though.he takes all the shots because he is not interested in building synergy with his teammates. he is not interested in building confidence, and sharing the ball in order to help maintain overall focus.
this is the same problem, the exact same problem, that stoudemire manifests.
putting the burden on lesser players, claiming they need to step up, is profoundly misguided and in fact perverse.
can't wait for someone to say "these guys are professionals it's their job to maintain focus."
You lost me at "synergy"
well, if you are a loyal fan of a player who (1) has never shown what it takes to build a dynamic chemistry, (2) whose teams have generally underachieved, and (3) whose game basically forces the whole team to be less than the sum of its parts... then i am not surprised that you got lost.
if he ever graduates to playing with and for others then we will see success. if he remains a guy who is only capable of merely playing alongside others most of the time then the knicks will not be successful.
dk7th wrote:93BUICK wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Can't wait to see this guy dominate the ball again
Based on that picture, that's actually the right play Bonn.
Ha, talk about spoilt for choice- if you were melo, who would you pass to in that situation: Landry Fields (25.6% 3pt) or Toney Douglas (23.1% 3pt). Melo can be a ball hog, but sometimes I get why he takes all the shots.
Fields was 25.6% overall. That's probably around 40% on wide open 3s and 10% on contested 3s. Meanwhile, Melo's percentage on contested shots (even just single-coverage contested shots) is quite bad. No matter how much you like to knock Fields, a wide open shot by Field's is a better shot than a triple-teamed shot by Carmelo.
Nalod's right about the bigger picture and the Melo trade, though.he takes all the shots because he is not interested in building synergy with his teammates. he is not interested in building confidence, and sharing the ball in order to help maintain overall focus.
this is the same problem, the exact same problem, that stoudemire manifests.
putting the burden on lesser players, claiming they need to step up, is profoundly misguided and in fact perverse.
can't wait for someone to say "these guys are professionals it's their job to maintain focus."
You lost me at "synergy"well, if you are a loyal fan of a player who (1) has never shown what it takes to build a dynamic chemistry, (2) whose teams have generally underachieved, and (3) whose game basically forces the whole team to be less than the sum of its parts... then i am not surprised that you got lost.
if he ever graduates to playing with and for others then we will see success. if he remains a guy who is only capable of merely playing alongside others most of the time then the knicks will not be successful.
Totally disagree- He's not a point forward! He's a dominant scorer and will be utilized as such- Felton and Kidd will orchestrate the offense- I think Lin and Fields wimped out when they played with him - if you can't make a great scorer work in your offense you are not a great PG-
93BUICK wrote:dk7th wrote:93BUICK wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Can't wait to see this guy dominate the ball again
Based on that picture, that's actually the right play Bonn.
Ha, talk about spoilt for choice- if you were melo, who would you pass to in that situation: Landry Fields (25.6% 3pt) or Toney Douglas (23.1% 3pt). Melo can be a ball hog, but sometimes I get why he takes all the shots.
Fields was 25.6% overall. That's probably around 40% on wide open 3s and 10% on contested 3s. Meanwhile, Melo's percentage on contested shots (even just single-coverage contested shots) is quite bad. No matter how much you like to knock Fields, a wide open shot by Field's is a better shot than a triple-teamed shot by Carmelo.
Nalod's right about the bigger picture and the Melo trade, though.he takes all the shots because he is not interested in building synergy with his teammates. he is not interested in building confidence, and sharing the ball in order to help maintain overall focus.
this is the same problem, the exact same problem, that stoudemire manifests.
putting the burden on lesser players, claiming they need to step up, is profoundly misguided and in fact perverse.
can't wait for someone to say "these guys are professionals it's their job to maintain focus."
You lost me at "synergy"well, if you are a loyal fan of a player who (1) has never shown what it takes to build a dynamic chemistry, (2) whose teams have generally underachieved, and (3) whose game basically forces the whole team to be less than the sum of its parts... then i am not surprised that you got lost.
if he ever graduates to playing with and for others then we will see success. if he remains a guy who is only capable of merely playing alongside others most of the time then the knicks will not be successful.
Totally disagree- He's not a point forward! He's a dominant scorer and will be utilized as such- Felton and Kidd will orchestrate the offense- I think Lin and Fields wimped out when they played with him - if you can't make a great scorer work in your offense you are not a great PG-
i am sorry but your post makes little sense to me, and here's why first, i know that out of sheer necessity melo had to be forced into the point-forward role early on, and he is not suited to that. but i am not talking about orchestrating so much as keeping the ball moving to keep ahead of the defense, to occasionally run a simple pick and roll play with stoudemire, to anticipate doubles, and just make better decisions with the ball than he has shown. every game i see him play it's almost 75% of the time that he makes the wrong decision. the 25% of plays that he makes a good decision he is one of the most impressive players you will see and he is beautiful to watch.
this tells me that he has the tools but he doesn't have the mind or the will to use them effectively.
you call him a "dominant scorer." well i am not sure what that means, if in fact he dominates the ball with an astronomical usage rate but with barely passable efficiency (55%TS is just not going to cut it) to show for it AND is not a great defender. in my opinion the tipping point between ordinary and elite is anything above 58%TS. melo has been under 57% his entire career. pierce has been above 58% the latter part of his career. durant above 58% the last 3 years. lebron the last 4 years the same.
my issue with your take on things is that when it comes down to looking at your main players they all must be positive-sum players and when you break down melo's game he just isn't. he is a zero-sum player, as is stoudemire. or if that is too harsh, then i'll say both of these guys are far closer to zero-sum players than most knick fans want to believe.
dk7th wrote:93BUICK wrote:dk7th wrote:93BUICK wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Can't wait to see this guy dominate the ball again
Based on that picture, that's actually the right play Bonn.
Ha, talk about spoilt for choice- if you were melo, who would you pass to in that situation: Landry Fields (25.6% 3pt) or Toney Douglas (23.1% 3pt). Melo can be a ball hog, but sometimes I get why he takes all the shots.
Fields was 25.6% overall. That's probably around 40% on wide open 3s and 10% on contested 3s. Meanwhile, Melo's percentage on contested shots (even just single-coverage contested shots) is quite bad. No matter how much you like to knock Fields, a wide open shot by Field's is a better shot than a triple-teamed shot by Carmelo.
Nalod's right about the bigger picture and the Melo trade, though.he takes all the shots because he is not interested in building synergy with his teammates. he is not interested in building confidence, and sharing the ball in order to help maintain overall focus.
this is the same problem, the exact same problem, that stoudemire manifests.
putting the burden on lesser players, claiming they need to step up, is profoundly misguided and in fact perverse.
can't wait for someone to say "these guys are professionals it's their job to maintain focus."
You lost me at "synergy"well, if you are a loyal fan of a player who (1) has never shown what it takes to build a dynamic chemistry, (2) whose teams have generally underachieved, and (3) whose game basically forces the whole team to be less than the sum of its parts... then i am not surprised that you got lost.
if he ever graduates to playing with and for others then we will see success. if he remains a guy who is only capable of merely playing alongside others most of the time then the knicks will not be successful.
Totally disagree- He's not a point forward! He's a dominant scorer and will be utilized as such- Felton and Kidd will orchestrate the offense- I think Lin and Fields wimped out when they played with him - if you can't make a great scorer work in your offense you are not a great PG-
i am sorry but your post makes little sense to me, and here's why first, i know that out of sheer necessity melo had to be forced into the point-forward role early on, and he is not suited to that. but i am not talking about orchestrating so much as keeping the ball moving to keep ahead of the defense, to occasionally run a simple pick and roll play with stoudemire, to anticipate doubles, and just make better decisions with the ball than he has shown. every game i see him play it's almost 75% of the time that he makes the wrong decision. the 25% of plays that he makes a good decision he is one of the most impressive players you will see and he is beautiful to watch.this tells me that he has the tools but he doesn't have the mind or the will to use them effectively.
you call him a "dominant scorer." well i am not sure what that means, if in fact he dominates the ball with an astronomical usage rate but with barely passable efficiency (55%TS is just not going to cut it) to show for it AND is not a great defender. in my opinion the tipping point between ordinary and elite is anything above 58%TS. melo has been under 57% his entire career. pierce has been above 58% the latter part of his career. durant above 58% the last 3 years. lebron the last 4 years the same.
my issue with your take on things is that when it comes down to looking at your main players they all must be positive-sum players and when you break down melo's game he just isn't. he is a zero-sum player, as is stoudemire. or if that is too harsh, then i'll say both of these guys are far closer to zero-sum players than most knick fans want to believe.
Would you call these TS% superstar #'s
Over the last 4 years this is "Said" players TS%:
56%
54%
54%
52%
Also, "Said" player has a career TS of 55%.......
Uptown wrote:dk7th wrote:93BUICK wrote:dk7th wrote:93BUICK wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Can't wait to see this guy dominate the ball again
Based on that picture, that's actually the right play Bonn.
Ha, talk about spoilt for choice- if you were melo, who would you pass to in that situation: Landry Fields (25.6% 3pt) or Toney Douglas (23.1% 3pt). Melo can be a ball hog, but sometimes I get why he takes all the shots.
Fields was 25.6% overall. That's probably around 40% on wide open 3s and 10% on contested 3s. Meanwhile, Melo's percentage on contested shots (even just single-coverage contested shots) is quite bad. No matter how much you like to knock Fields, a wide open shot by Field's is a better shot than a triple-teamed shot by Carmelo.
Nalod's right about the bigger picture and the Melo trade, though.he takes all the shots because he is not interested in building synergy with his teammates. he is not interested in building confidence, and sharing the ball in order to help maintain overall focus.
this is the same problem, the exact same problem, that stoudemire manifests.
putting the burden on lesser players, claiming they need to step up, is profoundly misguided and in fact perverse.
can't wait for someone to say "these guys are professionals it's their job to maintain focus."
You lost me at "synergy"well, if you are a loyal fan of a player who (1) has never shown what it takes to build a dynamic chemistry, (2) whose teams have generally underachieved, and (3) whose game basically forces the whole team to be less than the sum of its parts... then i am not surprised that you got lost.
if he ever graduates to playing with and for others then we will see success. if he remains a guy who is only capable of merely playing alongside others most of the time then the knicks will not be successful.
Totally disagree- He's not a point forward! He's a dominant scorer and will be utilized as such- Felton and Kidd will orchestrate the offense- I think Lin and Fields wimped out when they played with him - if you can't make a great scorer work in your offense you are not a great PG-
i am sorry but your post makes little sense to me, and here's why first, i know that out of sheer necessity melo had to be forced into the point-forward role early on, and he is not suited to that. but i am not talking about orchestrating so much as keeping the ball moving to keep ahead of the defense, to occasionally run a simple pick and roll play with stoudemire, to anticipate doubles, and just make better decisions with the ball than he has shown. every game i see him play it's almost 75% of the time that he makes the wrong decision. the 25% of plays that he makes a good decision he is one of the most impressive players you will see and he is beautiful to watch.this tells me that he has the tools but he doesn't have the mind or the will to use them effectively.
you call him a "dominant scorer." well i am not sure what that means, if in fact he dominates the ball with an astronomical usage rate but with barely passable efficiency (55%TS is just not going to cut it) to show for it AND is not a great defender. in my opinion the tipping point between ordinary and elite is anything above 58%TS. melo has been under 57% his entire career. pierce has been above 58% the latter part of his career. durant above 58% the last 3 years. lebron the last 4 years the same.
my issue with your take on things is that when it comes down to looking at your main players they all must be positive-sum players and when you break down melo's game he just isn't. he is a zero-sum player, as is stoudemire. or if that is too harsh, then i'll say both of these guys are far closer to zero-sum players than most knick fans want to believe.
Would you call these TS% superstar #'s
Over the last 4 years this is "Said" players TS%:
56%
54%
54%
52%Also, "Said" player has a career TS of 55%.......
i don't need to do any research to know that this must be either wade or bryant and i consider both players overrated because they both make the wrong decision with the ball more than 50% of the time. in bryant's case he should have won more easily than he did but he has buss and west and kupchack to thank for his rings. without superior support and sheer luck (perkins hurt in game 6 and garnett hurt he doesn't win either year) and with wade it's basically shaq and the refs supporting the telegenic golden boy for stern.
a heretical viewpoint to many but there you go.