Knicks · Grunwald interviewed - Asked about Lin (page 3)

misterearl wrote:Lin Interviewed - Asked About Knicks

On last season - “I’d be a huge liar if I told myself, I knew I could do that. That’s not realistic. Let’s just be honest. I had no idea I could play like that."

After the Mike Woodson June dinner in LA with Lin, Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler - "Before that dinner, I had reservations. Afterward I was like, Yeah, this is going to be good.”

On his treatment - “There’s a lot of perceptions and stereotypes of Asian-Americans that are out there today. I’m going to have to play well for a longer period of time for certain people to believe it, because I’m Asian. And that’s just the reality of it.”

From the same interview:

Lin told GQ he was forced to return all of his Knicks gear and has no memorabilia left — except for Linsanity shirts fans had given him.

Ha, making him return all his Knicks gear- that's cold!

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:I really don't get how this works with the Lin groupies...We hate Carmelo because he competes with Lin for the spotlight and lead player...We hate Felton because we want to prove no one else can play PG for the NY Knicks..We only wanted Kidd as a back-up because he is no threat to Lin no matter how badly Lin plays...Woody was not a good choice for Lin's game...But call themselves Knick fans...

im happy with what we have now in regards to felton/kidd/pablo however i think those people are still diehard knick fans they just embraced linsanity. Linsanity was probably best best thing weve seen in the garden since 2000

Papabear Says

We keep talking about linsanity in those six or seven games but what about the other players on the floor at that time. All of them were playing above thier game. It took LeBron and the Heat to bring us back down to earth. Lin was magic during that time and the news media ran with it. Now he have to prove himself for what he really is. And the buzz word in Houston is that they got suckered for 25million. Yes the Knicks new something that Houston didn't know and that was that Lin's body couldn't hold up for a half a season playing those minuets.

This is not really determined yet is it?

In my mind he has two years to play up to his third year salary. He has to figure out a lot of things on the court and as a leader of his new team. As far as holding up, the kid reminds me what Phil Ford did coming out of UNC back in the day. The kid might have been one of the best PG's in college history and took that game to the NBA. Lin is effective as a threat to penetrate and it beats down the body. Phil Ford eventually had health problems as it could not sustain it for a long time. Lin has to look at how Nash is able to mix it up. Back up and Nash kills you with the shot. Play up and he'll blow buy you. Double and trap and he finds the pick and roll. Stop him penetrating and Nash kicks it out.

YOu need tools to do that around you. Novak was great in the corner, Tyson on the pick and roll. I believe Melo could have had many easy baskets and we Know Amare can pick and roll.

But in the end we all know the contract was "ridiculous" and while most of us prefer he stayed, Knicks never made an offer and Rockets over paid to get the man they wanted.

Right now they are treating him like an investment and won't press him. He'll have time to work it thru.

For some Knick fans he is like the hot college girl we dated and had a brief but amazing time with! She meets a dude with lots of money and goes away. Over the years you hope she gets fat and is no longer hot. Bottom line is she is gone and what you do wit your life is what counts. If you end up with a great girl, all pretty and hot and your happy, it don't matter how the Ex turned out. If the KNicks succeed without Lin its irrelevant.

Felton is like the rebound chick who lost lots of weight and wants to flaunt it. He'll do for while but we know long term he is not the kind of player Lin had the potential to be. What is a long time with the knicks? Two or three seasons? Who the hell knows!

Knicks just need to take care of business themselves. If not, then the bitching will continue.

Papabear Says

What the heck??? LOL Nadlod this ain't about chicks and lost love. This is about basketball win or loose. Lin was a media explosion that looks like it may go bad. And if anyone is saying give Lin 2 years to get better?? Well that means that he really wasn't worth 25 million and good for Houston who tried and screwed us more than once. I doubt that Lin will be in the NBA in 4 years if he plays 35 or 40 mins a game. And if D'Antoni had him he would have rode him till he droped. D'Antoni said that.

misterearl wrote:One Of These Things Is Not Like The Other

tkf wrote:Boston got the best of ray allen that they could. they won a ring with him, they reached the mountain top... ray wanted to leave after 5 years.. all great things come to an end..

the knicks didn't get that with lin, so much potential we never will get to see fulfilled here in a knick uniform, instead we will have to sit back and watch felton play like he is drunk, and prigs move like he is in quicksand.... how exciting!!!! smdh

tkf - Potential?

Here is a fun fact tkf. By the time Ray Allen arrived in Boston,he had played in more playoff games (67) than Jeremy Lin has played in his entire career (65). Think about that while you are pontificating on "po-tential". Allen was a 10 year veteran with 863 regular season games and a certified All Star.

Arriving in Houston, Jeremy Lin is a 35 game wonderboy with a glass jaw.

Big difference.

One more thing, Pablo Prigioni will have a better season that Lin. Raymond Felton drunk? Only in your resentful dreams.

who was comparing lin to ray allen? my lord...

you want to make a bet that prigioni will have a better season than lin? how about a board banishment bet? if you are that confident? so prigs has to do better than 15/6 and 45% shooting..... right? bet?

smackeddog wrote:

misterearl wrote:Lin Interviewed - Asked About Knicks

On last season - “I’d be a huge liar if I told myself, I knew I could do that. That’s not realistic. Let’s just be honest. I had no idea I could play like that."

After the Mike Woodson June dinner in LA with Lin, Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler - "Before that dinner, I had reservations. Afterward I was like, Yeah, this is going to be good.”

On his treatment - “There’s a lot of perceptions and stereotypes of Asian-Americans that are out there today. I’m going to have to play well for a longer period of time for certain people to believe it, because I’m Asian. And that’s just the reality of it.”

From the same interview:

Lin told GQ he was forced to return all of his Knicks gear and has no memorabilia left — except for Linsanity shirts fans had given him.

Ha, making him return all his Knicks gear- that's cold!

WOW sounds like Jimmy D was really pissed!

Bet

tkf - if Jeremy Lin has a better season than Pablo Prigioni, The Answer Man will leave UltimateKnicks forever. The criteria is not simply stats, but who makes the greater contribution to his team.

If Jeremy Lin does not, The Answer Man expects you to do the same. Book it baby.

misterearl wrote:

Arriving in Houston, Jeremy Lin is a 35 game wonderboy with a glass jaw.

I can't believe you were the one telling me that Lin doesn't need to get stronger to take hits in the lane because he has guts!

http://www.ultimateknicks.comwww.ultimat...

Papabear wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:I really don't get how this works with the Lin groupies...We hate Carmelo because he competes with Lin for the spotlight and lead player...We hate Felton because we want to prove no one else can play PG for the NY Knicks..We only wanted Kidd as a back-up because he is no threat to Lin no matter how badly Lin plays...Woody was not a good choice for Lin's game...But call themselves Knick fans...

im happy with what we have now in regards to felton/kidd/pablo however i think those people are still diehard knick fans they just embraced linsanity. Linsanity was probably best best thing weve seen in the garden since 2000

Papabear Says

We keep talking about linsanity in those six or seven games but what about the other players on the floor at that time. All of them were playing above thier game. It took LeBron and the Heat to bring us back down to earth. Lin was magic during that time and the news media ran with it. Now he have to prove himself for what he really is. And the buzz word in Houston is that they got suckered for 25million. Yes the Knicks new something that Houston didn't know and that was that Lin's body couldn't hold up for a half a season playing those minuets.

This is not really determined yet is it?

In my mind he has two years to play up to his third year salary. He has to figure out a lot of things on the court and as a leader of his new team. As far as holding up, the kid reminds me what Phil Ford did coming out of UNC back in the day. The kid might have been one of the best PG's in college history and took that game to the NBA. Lin is effective as a threat to penetrate and it beats down the body. Phil Ford eventually had health problems as it could not sustain it for a long time. Lin has to look at how Nash is able to mix it up. Back up and Nash kills you with the shot. Play up and he'll blow buy you. Double and trap and he finds the pick and roll. Stop him penetrating and Nash kicks it out.

YOu need tools to do that around you. Novak was great in the corner, Tyson on the pick and roll. I believe Melo could have had many easy baskets and we Know Amare can pick and roll.

But in the end we all know the contract was "ridiculous" and while most of us prefer he stayed, Knicks never made an offer and Rockets over paid to get the man they wanted.

Right now they are treating him like an investment and won't press him. He'll have time to work it thru.

For some Knick fans he is like the hot college girl we dated and had a brief but amazing time with! She meets a dude with lots of money and goes away. Over the years you hope she gets fat and is no longer hot. Bottom line is she is gone and what you do wit your life is what counts. If you end up with a great girl, all pretty and hot and your happy, it don't matter how the Ex turned out. If the KNicks succeed without Lin its irrelevant.

Felton is like the rebound chick who lost lots of weight and wants to flaunt it. He'll do for while but we know long term he is not the kind of player Lin had the potential to be. What is a long time with the knicks? Two or three seasons? Who the hell knows!

Knicks just need to take care of business themselves. If not, then the bitching will continue.

Papabear Says

What the heck??? LOL Nadlod this ain't about chicks and lost love. This is about basketball win or loose. Lin was a media explosion that looks like it may go bad. And if anyone is saying give Lin 2 years to get better?? Well that means that he really wasn't worth 25 million and good for Houston who tried and screwed us more than once. I doubt that Lin will be in the NBA in 4 years if he plays 35 or 40 mins a game. And if D'Antoni had him he would have rode him till he droped. D'Antoni said that.

We are saying basically the same thing.

Real Simple

gunsnewing - changed my mind. Jeremy Lin does not play here anymore.

Ooops wrong link

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...

misterearl wrote:Real Simple

gunsnewing - changed my mind. Jeremy Lin does not play here anymore.

I know Earl. You're not the only one who changed your mind

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

misterearl wrote:Doc Rivers Asked About Ray Allen

If Ray Allen, a future Hall of Fame guard, could leave the Celtics, ending a spectacular five-year run with Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce as Boston's Big Three, why are we kvetching over an often-injured, second year guard who has never played a full season? The Boston Celtics are focused on busting The Heat and Ray Allen's azz. As it should be. No looking back and absolutely no whining.

Does anyone think the Boston Celtics are crying about Ray Allen, or have they moved forward?

Grumwald is moving on.

Boston got the best of ray allen that they could. they won a ring with him, they reached the mountain top... ray wanted to leave after 5 years.. all great things come to an end..

the knicks didn't get that with lin, so much potential we never will get to see fulfilled here in a knick uniform, instead we will have to sit back and watch felton play like he is drunk, and prigs move like he is in quicksand.... how exciting!!!! smdh

Very exciting to finally have a PG that can defend any other PG in the league...Able to run an offense inclusive of our two top players...If Felton is able to knock down his shot with consistency, which Lin can't do either, it will only be the Lin groupies talking about him come playoff time....

holfresh. there is a slight difference between being an irrational lin groupie (of which there may be a few lurking about) and being a bit miffed that the kid left.

please don't tell me that in the midst of Linsanity or even after we got finished getting our asses handed to us in the playoffs that you made a list of priorities that looked like this:

Step 1. Get rid of that Lin kid. God his jumper is shaky. Worst thing to happen to this team since Allan Houston.

tkf. felton's gonna be just fine. he played decent when he was with the knicks. he played ok the 2nd half of last season.

i don't get why if you like Lin you need to shit on Felton and vice versa. holy shit. this is getting stupid.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

misterearl wrote:Doc Rivers Asked About Ray Allen

If Ray Allen, a future Hall of Fame guard, could leave the Celtics, ending a spectacular five-year run with Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce as Boston's Big Three, why are we kvetching over an often-injured, second year guard who has never played a full season? The Boston Celtics are focused on busting The Heat and Ray Allen's azz. As it should be. No looking back and absolutely no whining.

Does anyone think the Boston Celtics are crying about Ray Allen, or have they moved forward?

Grumwald is moving on.

Boston got the best of ray allen that they could. they won a ring with him, they reached the mountain top... ray wanted to leave after 5 years.. all great things come to an end..

the knicks didn't get that with lin, so much potential we never will get to see fulfilled here in a knick uniform, instead we will have to sit back and watch felton play like he is drunk, and prigs move like he is in quicksand.... how exciting!!!! smdh

Very exciting to finally have a PG that can defend any other PG in the league...Able to run an offense inclusive of our two top players...If Felton is able to knock down his shot with consistency, which Lin can't do either, it will only be the Lin groupies talking about him come playoff time....

holfresh. there is a slight difference between being an irrational lin groupie (of which there may be a few lurking about) and being a bit miffed that the kid left.

please don't tell me that in the midst of Linsanity or even after we got finished getting our asses handed to us in the playoffs that you made a list of priorities that looked like this:

Step 1. Get rid of that Lin kid. God his jumper is shaky. Worst thing to happen to this team since Allan Houston.

tkf. felton's gonna be just fine. he played decent when he was with the knicks. he played ok the 2nd half of last season.

i don't get why if you like Lin you need to shit on Felton and vice versa. holy shit. this is getting stupid.

Very Good Post

misterearl wrote:Bet

tkf - if Jeremy Lin has a better season than Pablo Prigioni, The Answer Man will leave UltimateKnicks forever. The criteria is not simply stats, but who makes the greater contribution to his team.

If Jeremy Lin does not, The Answer Man expects you to do the same. Book it baby.

come on now, lets not start bets like that. Way too cold to banish a guy (voluntarily or otherwise). Especially someone who has been here as long as TK. He'll come back around by mid season. I'd bet on that

gunsnewing wrote:Ooops wrong link

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...

This link is an embarrassment and shameful nevertheless good find. Black This Out To Space

DISGRACEPALM!

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

misterearl wrote:Doc Rivers Asked About Ray Allen

If Ray Allen, a future Hall of Fame guard, could leave the Celtics, ending a spectacular five-year run with Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce as Boston's Big Three, why are we kvetching over an often-injured, second year guard who has never played a full season? The Boston Celtics are focused on busting The Heat and Ray Allen's azz. As it should be. No looking back and absolutely no whining.

Does anyone think the Boston Celtics are crying about Ray Allen, or have they moved forward?

Grumwald is moving on.

Boston got the best of ray allen that they could. they won a ring with him, they reached the mountain top... ray wanted to leave after 5 years.. all great things come to an end..

the knicks didn't get that with lin, so much potential we never will get to see fulfilled here in a knick uniform, instead we will have to sit back and watch felton play like he is drunk, and prigs move like he is in quicksand.... how exciting!!!! smdh

Very exciting to finally have a PG that can defend any other PG in the league...Able to run an offense inclusive of our two top players...If Felton is able to knock down his shot with consistency, which Lin can't do either, it will only be the Lin groupies talking about him come playoff time....

holfresh. there is a slight difference between being an irrational lin groupie (of which there may be a few lurking about) and being a bit miffed that the kid left.

please don't tell me that in the midst of Linsanity or even after we got finished getting our asses handed to us in the playoffs that you made a list of priorities that looked like this:

Step 1. Get rid of that Lin kid. God his jumper is shaky. Worst thing to happen to this team since Allan Houston.

tkf. felton's gonna be just fine. he played decent when he was with the knicks. he played ok the 2nd half of last season.

i don't get why if you like Lin you need to shit on Felton and vice versa. holy shit. this is getting stupid.

I thought felton played good under dantoni, but I remember times when I wanted him out of here as well.. just wasn't a fan of his wishy, washy play.... honestly, what I don't like the most is the hyping up of felton to put lin down.. I am basically offering a little perspective here... this is the same felton many said was expendable in the carmelo trade because billups was soooooo much better.. this was the same felton that many here were chewing to pieces.. now he is the ROCK to our backcourt.. kind of gets under my skin bro.... but i really have no beef with felton, I just don't think he is the PG you get when you are so called going "all in", but I am willing to give him a chance, I don't hate felton, he is a good guy overall if you ask me..

misterearl wrote:Bet

tkf - if Jeremy Lin has a better season than Pablo Prigioni, The Answer Man will leave UltimateKnicks forever. The criteria is not simply stats, but who makes the greater contribution to his team.

If Jeremy Lin does not, The Answer Man expects you to do the same. Book it baby.

Bet my arse... don't change the bet... "making a better contribution" is extremely vague and will be left open to interpretation.. Your interpretation... and really that is a crazy bet, the contribution lin had on the knicks was monumental... No lin.. no playoffs....

take my bet as originally posted or don't bet at all Misterearl! 15/6

DurzoBlint wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bet

tkf - if Jeremy Lin has a better season than Pablo Prigioni, The Answer Man will leave UltimateKnicks forever. The criteria is not simply stats, but who makes the greater contribution to his team.

If Jeremy Lin does not, The Answer Man expects you to do the same. Book it baby.

come on now, lets not start bets like that. Way too cold to banish a guy (voluntarily or otherwise). Especially someone who has been here as long as TK. He'll come back around by mid season. I'd bet on that

he doesn't want to bet, see how he changed the bet to where he can leave it open to his interpretation.... prigioni could average 5/2 shooting 30% and he would say, if prigioni wasn't here messaging melo's sore groin on the bench, keeping it warm and loose, knicks would not have been a 45 win team.. therefore his contribution was HUGE..... lol...

And don't bet on it man... I will be watching a lot of other ball, other teams this year... in 35 years, I haven't been this divested in the knicks... not ever.. it is very upsetting.. but that is the great thing about being a basketball fan, I can enjoy watching other teams... I will always root for the knicks to win.....but probably won't be as invested as i was before.. and if you know me... that is a HUGE drop off..

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Ooops wrong link

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...

This link is an embarrassment and shameful nevertheless good find. Black This Out To Space

DISGRACEPALM!

hahaha... wow how quick that tuned changed!!!!!

"break up to make up that's all we dooooooo.. first you love me.. then you hate me, that's a game for foooooools"..

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Ooops wrong link

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...

This link is an embarrassment and shameful nevertheless good find. Black This Out To Space

DISGRACEPALM!

hahaha... wow how quick that tuned changed!!!!!

"break up to make up that's all we dooooooo.. first you love me.. then you hate me, that's a game for foooooools"..

I can't get Youtube where I am at but did you break out the Chi-Lites or was that the Delfonics?

Anyway....

Doo-Whop Shu Waaaahhh

Sha-Boing Boing

Cha-Cha-Cha

Hey There Hey There

Challlllennnnnngeeeee Sollllliiiiiiddd

The bottom line - Knicks had an assets and somehow used it in Huston dealings.
We get Camby and Felton for Lin and change. Saved some cache (potentially).
Also we removed somebody who can take the spotlights from Dolan and Melo (probably the main thing why Lin was cut lose).
Not sure if this was the best use of the value Lin has. Only time will tell.
But psychologically it balanced the team. Lin was not the best PG for Woody and Melo.
So now we have the parts which feet better. At least on paper.

What gets me is how easily people let Dolan off the hook and buy into his propaganda machine when he lets his emotions get in the way of how the team is run. Then when the Knicks season goes down the drain like it has the past 12yrs we all suffer