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IrishKnickFan wrote:i liked donnie. He had to clean up isiah's mess and he did a good job. sure i didnt like the jordan hill pick but he is a good gm.

The Amare signing crippled this franchise.

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:i liked donnie. He had to clean up isiah's mess and he did a good job. sure i didnt like the jordan hill pick but he is a good gm.

The Amare signing crippled this franchise.

Walsh hired MDA instead of Thibodeau also, who has done more with less than any coach. If we were going to stink for 3+ years, Mark Jackson could've filled that void also.

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:i liked donnie. He had to clean up isiah's mess and he did a good job. sure i didnt like the jordan hill pick but he is a good gm.

The Amare signing crippled this franchise.

I cant argue with that. However in the summer of 2010 we missed out on every other big FA and i guarantee our fans wouldnt be happy if we didnt sign any all-stars after clearing out cap soace for 2 years

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:i liked donnie. He had to clean up isiah's mess and he did a good job. sure i didnt like the jordan hill pick but he is a good gm.

The Amare signing crippled this franchise.

I cant argue with that. However in the summer of 2010 we missed out on every other big FA and i guarantee our fans wouldnt be happy if we didnt sign any all-stars after clearing out cap soace for 2 years

Having a stomach ache does not necessarily lead to diarrhea.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Walsh maintained that he, not Dolan, had made the call to include the additional players Denver demanded to part with Carmelo Anthony in February 2011, even though, he said, he “didn’t like the deal.”
“It just came down to, we do it or we don’t,” Walsh said.

Being that it came down to "we do it", Walsh not Dolan made the call to include the additional players, did he not? He says he did - is he reputable?

So, does he not share in the blame? He certainly overpaid even if he "did not like the deal" - which can either be referring to all the players or trading for him in general.

GO on what you know. The deal was going no where and Nets had an offer on the table most likely satisfactory to Melo. It was NYC and max money. Denver was getting what it wanted.

Dolan wanted Melo and Im going to guess instructed Donnie to get it done. Its the GM's job. He files the paperwork and deals with the contracts, lawyers etc. So yeah, he made the call.

He then wanted out. He did not like the deal. For what its worth Stern forced DOnnie on Dolan and Donnie was cooked here. Im going to guess it was mutual departure. But If Donnie wanted to stay he could have.

There is plenty to read about so make your own conclusions.

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Walsh maintained that he, not Dolan, had made the call to include the additional players Denver demanded to part with Carmelo Anthony in February 2011, even though, he said, he “didn’t like the deal.”
“It just came down to, we do it or we don’t,” Walsh said.

Being that it came down to "we do it", Walsh not Dolan made the call to include the additional players, did he not? He says he did - is he reputable?

So, does he not share in the blame? He certainly overpaid even if he "did not like the deal" - which can either be referring to all the players or trading for him in general.

GO on what you know. The deal was going no where and Nets had an offer on the table most likely satisfactory to Melo. It was NYC and max money. Denver was getting what it wanted.

Dolan wanted Melo and Im going to guess instructed Donnie to get it done. Its the GM's job. He files the paperwork and deals with the contracts, lawyers etc. So yeah, he made the call.

He then wanted out. He did not like the deal. For what its worth Stern forced DOnnie on Dolan and Donnie was cooked here. Im going to guess it was mutual departure. But If Donnie wanted to stay he could have.

There is plenty to read about so make your own conclusions.

There was obvious dissent but that does not exonerate him from all blame. We know that Dolan is a jerk and what he wanted but from what I extrapolated from the article was that once Walsh/Dolan decided to make the/a deal, he decided to overpay.

There is partial blame here even though it is accompanied by an asterisk.

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:i liked donnie. He had to clean up isiah's mess and he did a good job. sure i didnt like the jordan hill pick but he is a good gm.

The Amare signing crippled this franchise.

I cant argue with that. However in the summer of 2010 we missed out on every other big FA and i guarantee our fans wouldnt be happy if we didnt sign any all-stars after clearing out cap soace for 2 years

Having a stomach ache does not necessarily lead to diarrhea.

well i could have done without that analogy lol but you're right

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Walsh maintained that he, not Dolan, had made the call to include the additional players Denver demanded to part with Carmelo Anthony in February 2011, even though, he said, he “didn’t like the deal.”
“It just came down to, we do it or we don’t,” Walsh said.

Being that it came down to "we do it", Walsh not Dolan made the call to include the additional players, did he not? He says he did - is he reputable?

So, does he not share in the blame? He certainly overpaid even if he "did not like the deal" - which can either be referring to all the players or trading for him in general.

GO on what you know. The deal was going no where and Nets had an offer on the table most likely satisfactory to Melo. It was NYC and max money. Denver was getting what it wanted.

Dolan wanted Melo and Im going to guess instructed Donnie to get it done. Its the GM's job. He files the paperwork and deals with the contracts, lawyers etc. So yeah, he made the call.

He then wanted out. He did not like the deal. For what its worth Stern forced DOnnie on Dolan and Donnie was cooked here. Im going to guess it was mutual departure. But If Donnie wanted to stay he could have.

There is plenty to read about so make your own conclusions.

There was obvious dissent but that does not exonerate him from all blame. We know that Dolan is a jerk and what he wanted but from what I extrapolated from the article was that once Walsh/Dolan decided to make the/a deal, he decided to overpay.

There is partial blame here even though it is accompanied by an asterisk.

Blame is over rated. Donnie manned up. Most don't. Isiah tried to kill himself and Layden is the assistant GM in San Antoino.

Think They are grooming him to be successor? Layden will be a superstar GM and we'll faint!

Donnie takes blame. Donnie don't care, he's golden.

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Walsh maintained that he, not Dolan, had made the call to include the additional players Denver demanded to part with Carmelo Anthony in February 2011, even though, he said, he “didn’t like the deal.”
“It just came down to, we do it or we don’t,” Walsh said.

Being that it came down to "we do it", Walsh not Dolan made the call to include the additional players, did he not? He says he did - is he reputable?

So, does he not share in the blame? He certainly overpaid even if he "did not like the deal" - which can either be referring to all the players or trading for him in general.

GO on what you know. The deal was going no where and Nets had an offer on the table most likely satisfactory to Melo. It was NYC and max money. Denver was getting what it wanted.

Dolan wanted Melo and Im going to guess instructed Donnie to get it done. Its the GM's job. He files the paperwork and deals with the contracts, lawyers etc. So yeah, he made the call.

He then wanted out. He did not like the deal. For what its worth Stern forced DOnnie on Dolan and Donnie was cooked here. Im going to guess it was mutual departure. But If Donnie wanted to stay he could have.

There is plenty to read about so make your own conclusions.

There was obvious dissent but that does not exonerate him from all blame. We know that Dolan is a jerk and what he wanted but from what I extrapolated from the article was that once Walsh/Dolan decided to make the/a deal, he decided to overpay.

There is partial blame here even though it is accompanied by an asterisk.

Blame is over rated. Donnie manned up. Most don't. Isiah tried to kill himself and Layden is the assistant GM in San Antoino.

Think They are grooming him to be successor? Layden will be a superstar GM and we'll faint!

Donnie takes blame. Donnie don't care, he's golden.

Donnie did man up. He is a stand up guy - can't argue with that. But, he messed up.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Walsh maintained that he, not Dolan, had made the call to include the additional players Denver demanded to part with Carmelo Anthony in February 2011, even though, he said, he “didn’t like the deal.”
“It just came down to, we do it or we don’t,” Walsh said.

Being that it came down to "we do it", Walsh not Dolan made the call to include the additional players, did he not? He says he did - is he reputable?

So, does he not share in the blame? He certainly overpaid even if he "did not like the deal" - which can either be referring to all the players or trading for him in general.

GO on what you know. The deal was going no where and Nets had an offer on the table most likely satisfactory to Melo. It was NYC and max money. Denver was getting what it wanted.

Dolan wanted Melo and Im going to guess instructed Donnie to get it done. Its the GM's job. He files the paperwork and deals with the contracts, lawyers etc. So yeah, he made the call.

He then wanted out. He did not like the deal. For what its worth Stern forced DOnnie on Dolan and Donnie was cooked here. Im going to guess it was mutual departure. But If Donnie wanted to stay he could have.

There is plenty to read about so make your own conclusions.

There was obvious dissent but that does not exonerate him from all blame. We know that Dolan is a jerk and what he wanted but from what I extrapolated from the article was that once Walsh/Dolan decided to make the/a deal, he decided to overpay.

There is partial blame here even though it is accompanied by an asterisk.

Blame is over rated. Donnie manned up. Most don't. Isiah tried to kill himself and Layden is the assistant GM in San Antoino.

Think They are grooming him to be successor? Layden will be a superstar GM and we'll faint!

Donnie takes blame. Donnie don't care, he's golden.

Donnie did man up. He is a stand up guy - can't argue with that. But, he messed up.

How?

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Walsh maintained that he, not Dolan, had made the call to include the additional players Denver demanded to part with Carmelo Anthony in February 2011, even though, he said, he “didn’t like the deal.”
“It just came down to, we do it or we don’t,” Walsh said.

Being that it came down to "we do it", Walsh not Dolan made the call to include the additional players, did he not? He says he did - is he reputable?

So, does he not share in the blame? He certainly overpaid even if he "did not like the deal" - which can either be referring to all the players or trading for him in general.

GO on what you know. The deal was going no where and Nets had an offer on the table most likely satisfactory to Melo. It was NYC and max money. Denver was getting what it wanted.

Dolan wanted Melo and Im going to guess instructed Donnie to get it done. Its the GM's job. He files the paperwork and deals with the contracts, lawyers etc. So yeah, he made the call.

He then wanted out. He did not like the deal. For what its worth Stern forced DOnnie on Dolan and Donnie was cooked here. Im going to guess it was mutual departure. But If Donnie wanted to stay he could have.

There is plenty to read about so make your own conclusions.

There was obvious dissent but that does not exonerate him from all blame. We know that Dolan is a jerk and what he wanted but from what I extrapolated from the article was that once Walsh/Dolan decided to make the/a deal, he decided to overpay.

There is partial blame here even though it is accompanied by an asterisk.

Blame is over rated. Donnie manned up. Most don't. Isiah tried to kill himself and Layden is the assistant GM in San Antoino.

Think They are grooming him to be successor? Layden will be a superstar GM and we'll faint!

Donnie takes blame. Donnie don't care, he's golden.

Donnie did man up. He is a stand up guy - can't argue with that. But, he messed up.

How?

Gave up too many marbles for Melo

and SIGNED AMARE!!

Jordan Hill? Shyt happens in the draft but FAIL

TMAC? That was painful.

gunsnewing wrote:Common thread here is Dolan. Awful draft picks the past 12yrs. The few good ones he traded away for bloated outcasts etc. The need to create buzz and fill the seats with fair whether new york fans has destroyed this franchise. Ewing made us competitve if not for him it would be 40yrs of possibily the worst basketball by any team

Dolan doesn't draft. Dude could barely speak in public, you're giving him too much credit!

gunsnewing wrote:Common thread here is Dolan. Awful draft picks the past 12yrs. The few good ones he traded away for bloated outcasts etc. The need to create buzz and fill the seats with fair whether new york fans has destroyed this franchise. Ewing made us competitve if not for him it would be 40yrs of possibily the worst basketball by any team

Dolan was/is awful but that can be a complete blame deflector.

The Ewing era was not run to well either.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Walsh maintained that he, not Dolan, had made the call to include the additional players Denver demanded to part with Carmelo Anthony in February 2011, even though, he said, he “didn’t like the deal.”
“It just came down to, we do it or we don’t,” Walsh said.

Being that it came down to "we do it", Walsh not Dolan made the call to include the additional players, did he not? He says he did - is he reputable?

So, does he not share in the blame? He certainly overpaid even if he "did not like the deal" - which can either be referring to all the players or trading for him in general.

GO on what you know. The deal was going no where and Nets had an offer on the table most likely satisfactory to Melo. It was NYC and max money. Denver was getting what it wanted.

Dolan wanted Melo and Im going to guess instructed Donnie to get it done. Its the GM's job. He files the paperwork and deals with the contracts, lawyers etc. So yeah, he made the call.

He then wanted out. He did not like the deal. For what its worth Stern forced DOnnie on Dolan and Donnie was cooked here. Im going to guess it was mutual departure. But If Donnie wanted to stay he could have.

There is plenty to read about so make your own conclusions.

There was obvious dissent but that does not exonerate him from all blame. We know that Dolan is a jerk and what he wanted but from what I extrapolated from the article was that once Walsh/Dolan decided to make the/a deal, he decided to overpay.

There is partial blame here even though it is accompanied by an asterisk.

Blame is over rated. Donnie manned up. Most don't. Isiah tried to kill himself and Layden is the assistant GM in San Antoino.

Think They are grooming him to be successor? Layden will be a superstar GM and we'll faint!

Donnie takes blame. Donnie don't care, he's golden.

Donnie did man up. He is a stand up guy - can't argue with that. But, he messed up.

How?

Gave up too many marbles for Melo

and SIGNED AMARE!!

Jordan Hill? Shyt happens in the draft but FAIL

TMAC? That was painful.

No Tmac, no cap space.

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Walsh maintained that he, not Dolan, had made the call to include the additional players Denver demanded to part with Carmelo Anthony in February 2011, even though, he said, he “didn’t like the deal.”
“It just came down to, we do it or we don’t,” Walsh said.

Being that it came down to "we do it", Walsh not Dolan made the call to include the additional players, did he not? He says he did - is he reputable?

So, does he not share in the blame? He certainly overpaid even if he "did not like the deal" - which can either be referring to all the players or trading for him in general.

GO on what you know. The deal was going no where and Nets had an offer on the table most likely satisfactory to Melo. It was NYC and max money. Denver was getting what it wanted.

Dolan wanted Melo and Im going to guess instructed Donnie to get it done. Its the GM's job. He files the paperwork and deals with the contracts, lawyers etc. So yeah, he made the call.

He then wanted out. He did not like the deal. For what its worth Stern forced DOnnie on Dolan and Donnie was cooked here. Im going to guess it was mutual departure. But If Donnie wanted to stay he could have.

There is plenty to read about so make your own conclusions.

There was obvious dissent but that does not exonerate him from all blame. We know that Dolan is a jerk and what he wanted but from what I extrapolated from the article was that once Walsh/Dolan decided to make the/a deal, he decided to overpay.

There is partial blame here even though it is accompanied by an asterisk.

Blame is over rated. Donnie manned up. Most don't. Isiah tried to kill himself and Layden is the assistant GM in San Antoino.

Think They are grooming him to be successor? Layden will be a superstar GM and we'll faint!

Donnie takes blame. Donnie don't care, he's golden.

Donnie did man up. He is a stand up guy - can't argue with that. But, he messed up.

How?

Gave up too many marbles for Melo

and SIGNED AMARE!!

Jordan Hill? Shyt happens in the draft but FAIL

TMAC? That was painful.

No Tmac, no cap space.

So it was the correct move?

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Walsh maintained that he, not Dolan, had made the call to include the additional players Denver demanded to part with Carmelo Anthony in February 2011, even though, he said, he “didn’t like the deal.”
“It just came down to, we do it or we don’t,” Walsh said.

Being that it came down to "we do it", Walsh not Dolan made the call to include the additional players, did he not? He says he did - is he reputable?

So, does he not share in the blame? He certainly overpaid even if he "did not like the deal" - which can either be referring to all the players or trading for him in general.

GO on what you know. The deal was going no where and Nets had an offer on the table most likely satisfactory to Melo. It was NYC and max money. Denver was getting what it wanted.

Dolan wanted Melo and Im going to guess instructed Donnie to get it done. Its the GM's job. He files the paperwork and deals with the contracts, lawyers etc. So yeah, he made the call.

He then wanted out. He did not like the deal. For what its worth Stern forced DOnnie on Dolan and Donnie was cooked here. Im going to guess it was mutual departure. But If Donnie wanted to stay he could have.

There is plenty to read about so make your own conclusions.

There was obvious dissent but that does not exonerate him from all blame. We know that Dolan is a jerk and what he wanted but from what I extrapolated from the article was that once Walsh/Dolan decided to make the/a deal, he decided to overpay.

There is partial blame here even though it is accompanied by an asterisk.

Blame is over rated. Donnie manned up. Most don't. Isiah tried to kill himself and Layden is the assistant GM in San Antoino.

Think They are grooming him to be successor? Layden will be a superstar GM and we'll faint!

Donnie takes blame. Donnie don't care, he's golden.

Donnie did man up. He is a stand up guy - can't argue with that. But, he messed up.

How?

Gave up too many marbles for Melo

and SIGNED AMARE!!

Jordan Hill? Shyt happens in the draft but FAIL

TMAC? That was painful.

No Tmac, no cap space.

So it was the correct move?

In hindsight no.

But your NY and you have to make a run at Lebron.

Its not about who, its about why. ITs about why this franchise is dysfuncional. ITs about why you can bring in good talent and screw it up. Bring in false prophets or defective ones. Bring in Great coaching minds but give them the wrong roster (larry brown, MDA), about cleaing up bad contracts for cap space but then not getting who you want, ETC ETC.

BLame Layden, but what good does that do. Fire Chaney, and nothing happens. Botch negotiations with Fratello and end up with Wilkens? Build a team around Marbles? Bring in a very good coash (MDA) and the wrong guys to run his offnese? Then when you get things going you trade 4 starters for Melo? Etc, etc.

Why does fault matter anymore? Team lacks leadership and a vision.

Dolan heads the organization. Its not like he brings in bad people. He the figurehead of the organization. The record speaks for itself. "BLAME HAS NO VOICE"!

ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Common thread here is Dolan. Awful draft picks the past 12yrs. The few good ones he traded away for bloated outcasts etc. The need to create buzz and fill the seats with fair whether new york fans has destroyed this franchise. Ewing made us competitve if not for him it would be 40yrs of possibily the worst basketball by any team

Dolan doesn't draft. Dude could barely speak in public, you're giving him too much credit!

Once in awhile, you need to take the blinders off. If you don't think Dolan is the cause then you are kidding yourself.

NYKBocker wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Common thread here is Dolan. Awful draft picks the past 12yrs. The few good ones he traded away for bloated outcasts etc. The need to create buzz and fill the seats with fair whether new york fans has destroyed this franchise. Ewing made us competitve if not for him it would be 40yrs of possibily the worst basketball by any team

Dolan doesn't draft. Dude could barely speak in public, you're giving him too much credit!

Once in awhile, you need to take the blinders off. If you don't think Dolan is the cause then you are kidding yourself.

You're honestly telling me James Dolan is in the war room in June making the picks? I severely doubt it. Too much homework involved, not enough guesswork!

If that's the case, bravo on Iman Shumpert, Dolan! Great pick. Finished 5th in Rookie of the Year voting!

On the Dolan issue. He is the sole reason our gm's can't rebuild properly, Like I said earlier Dolan pressures them into making bad trades at the expense of young talent and picks in order to get the fair weather fans in the seats and create a buzz with players who have bloated contracts and are castoffs. In 30yrs when Dolan's health dissipates the Knicks might be able to build a true title contender.

Dolan is the reason the Knicks have been given the moniker "Clumsy"

gunsnewing wrote:The funny thing is the Knicks missed out on the one guy who all fans all agreed on in Lebron. Now by going after Amare and Melo you created a huge split in the fanbase.

On the Dolan issue. He is the sole reason our gm's can't rebuild properly, Like I said earlier Dolan pressures them into making bad trades at the expense of young talent and picks in order to get the fair weather fans in the seat and create a buzz with players with bloated contracts and castoffs. In 30yrs when Dolan's health dissipates the Knicks might be able to build a true title contender

Back in 2009 i thought we would get wade and lebron since we were finally clearing cap space and i thought after all the years of suffering we were gonna be a top team again. Obviously since im a mets/jets/knicks fan i never seem to have good luck lol