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NYKMentality wrote:I've supported Felton over Lin (100%) since day one. I loved Felton's run during 2010-2011 in which he averaged 17.1 points, 9.0 assists with 3.3 turnovers per game. Our first playoff push in what felt like forever. Stoudemire also feasted with Felton running the point. With Felton running the point, Stoudemire then went on to set a Knicks franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points. Amar'e feasted with Felton at the point.How quickly some of these Jeremy Lin lovers have forgotten, that Felton's 17.1 points, 9.0 assists and 3.3 turnovers per game were better numbers, more productive numbers than what Jeremy Lin put up during Linsanity. The difference? Felton put up those numbers for 54 games. Lin only had a small sample size of 26 games. Felton didn't get hurt after only 26 games either. Lin did. Felton didn't sit out the postseason due to an injury either. But Lin did. Felton loved being a Knick. Our front office had to trade Felton in order for Felton to miss a game in a Knicks uniform. If only the same could be said for an overrated Lin.
Here in 2012-2013, it's no different, Felton is (once again) out performing Jeremy Lin.
Record:
Reymond Felton: 5-0.
Jeremy Lin: 3-4.Points:
Ray: 14.0 per game.
Lin: 11.9 per game.Assists:
Ray: 6.4 per game.
Lin: 6.4 per game.Turnovers:
Ray: 2.6 per game.
Lin: 2.6 per game.Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .400%
Lin: .373%Three Point Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .391%
Lin: .308%Rebounds:
Lin: 4.6 per game.
Ray: 3.2 per game.Steals:
Lin: 2.4 per game.
Ray: 1.6 per game.But yet, contract wise, Jeremy Lin is making more than double when compared to what Felton's making. It's a laughing stock joke. Felton's only due $12,540,000 over the next 3 years. Lin on the other hand? He's due $25,123,938 over the next 3 years; more than double Felton's contract. Felton over Jeremy Lin and it's not even close.
You know whats a shame, is that Jeremy Lin never earned his contract. Lin only A.) Played 26 regular season games before B.) Getting hurt while C.) Sitting out the final 17 regular season games while D.) Sitting out at 75-85% health while the Miami Heat murdered the Knicks during postseason play.
Lin looked guilty on that Knicks bench. You know why he looked guilty? Because he used the Knicks for his 26 games of production. He couldn't have cared less about his teammates being manhandled by Miami. He didn't even attempt to play a single minute during our Miami series, and you know why? Because he seen dollar signs were right around the corner. I could see it in his eyes (as he was sitting on that bench) that Jeremy Lin was fearful of being exposed as a potential turnover machine ala losing out on millions, upon million of dollars come the offseason. Trust me, Jeremy Lin knew exactly what he was doing. Sat out for that contract in which he currenlty has. Lin only put up 8 points and 3 assists while committing 8 turnovers against Miami during an 88-102 loss during the regular season. Lin sat out, at 75%-85% health, due to being fearful of being exposed by a very strong/athletic Miami Heat defense come postseason play.
Chances are, Houston doesn't even finish above .500 with Jeremy Lin running that offense.
Just looking at fg% is not enough if you are not a Berri disciple then your eyes will fool you. I Kidd but both are under .500 TS but Felton will go up with better FT shooting. I wanted Lin back but I was never sold he was going to be a star. He has some star qualities but if he doesn't start shooting better he may become a very good back up and there is nothing wrong with that.
yellowboy90 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:I've supported Felton over Lin (100%) since day one. I loved Felton's run during 2010-2011 in which he averaged 17.1 points, 9.0 assists with 3.3 turnovers per game. Our first playoff push in what felt like forever. Stoudemire also feasted with Felton running the point. With Felton running the point, Stoudemire then went on to set a Knicks franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points. Amar'e feasted with Felton at the point.How quickly some of these Jeremy Lin lovers have forgotten, that Felton's 17.1 points, 9.0 assists and 3.3 turnovers per game were better numbers, more productive numbers than what Jeremy Lin put up during Linsanity. The difference? Felton put up those numbers for 54 games. Lin only had a small sample size of 26 games. Felton didn't get hurt after only 26 games either. Lin did. Felton didn't sit out the postseason due to an injury either. But Lin did. Felton loved being a Knick. Our front office had to trade Felton in order for Felton to miss a game in a Knicks uniform. If only the same could be said for an overrated Lin.
Here in 2012-2013, it's no different, Felton is (once again) out performing Jeremy Lin.
Record:
Reymond Felton: 5-0.
Jeremy Lin: 3-4.Points:
Ray: 14.0 per game.
Lin: 11.9 per game.Assists:
Ray: 6.4 per game.
Lin: 6.4 per game.Turnovers:
Ray: 2.6 per game.
Lin: 2.6 per game.Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .400%
Lin: .373%Three Point Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .391%
Lin: .308%Rebounds:
Lin: 4.6 per game.
Ray: 3.2 per game.Steals:
Lin: 2.4 per game.
Ray: 1.6 per game.But yet, contract wise, Jeremy Lin is making more than double when compared to what Felton's making. It's a laughing stock joke. Felton's only due $12,540,000 over the next 3 years. Lin on the other hand? He's due $25,123,938 over the next 3 years; more than double Felton's contract. Felton over Jeremy Lin and it's not even close.
You know whats a shame, is that Jeremy Lin never earned his contract. Lin only A.) Played 26 regular season games before B.) Getting hurt while C.) Sitting out the final 17 regular season games while D.) Sitting out at 75-85% health while the Miami Heat murdered the Knicks during postseason play.
Lin looked guilty on that Knicks bench. You know why he looked guilty? Because he used the Knicks for his 26 games of production. He couldn't have cared less about his teammates being manhandled by Miami. He didn't even attempt to play a single minute during our Miami series, and you know why? Because he seen dollar signs were right around the corner. I could see it in his eyes (as he was sitting on that bench) that Jeremy Lin was fearful of being exposed as a potential turnover machine ala losing out on millions, upon million of dollars come the offseason. Trust me, Jeremy Lin knew exactly what he was doing. Sat out for that contract in which he currenlty has. Lin only put up 8 points and 3 assists while committing 8 turnovers against Miami during an 88-102 loss during the regular season. Lin sat out, at 75%-85% health, due to being fearful of being exposed by a very strong/athletic Miami Heat defense come postseason play.
Chances are, Houston doesn't even finish above .500 with Jeremy Lin running that offense.
Just looking at fg% is not enough if you are not a Berri disciple then your eyes will fool you. I Kidd but both are under .500 TS but Felton will go up with better FT shooting. I wanted Lin back but I was never sold he was going to be a star. He has some star qualities but if he doesn't start shooting better he may become a very good back up and there is nothing wrong with that.
Lin's TS% is .493 and Felton's is .473. So Felton is more below average than Lin there. Felton gets more PPG because he takes more low percentage shots than Lin does.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:I've supported Felton over Lin (100%) since day one. I loved Felton's run during 2010-2011 in which he averaged 17.1 points, 9.0 assists with 3.3 turnovers per game. Our first playoff push in what felt like forever. Stoudemire also feasted with Felton running the point. With Felton running the point, Stoudemire then went on to set a Knicks franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points. Amar'e feasted with Felton at the point.How quickly some of these Jeremy Lin lovers have forgotten, that Felton's 17.1 points, 9.0 assists and 3.3 turnovers per game were better numbers, more productive numbers than what Jeremy Lin put up during Linsanity. The difference? Felton put up those numbers for 54 games. Lin only had a small sample size of 26 games. Felton didn't get hurt after only 26 games either. Lin did. Felton didn't sit out the postseason due to an injury either. But Lin did. Felton loved being a Knick. Our front office had to trade Felton in order for Felton to miss a game in a Knicks uniform. If only the same could be said for an overrated Lin.
Here in 2012-2013, it's no different, Felton is (once again) out performing Jeremy Lin.
Record:
Reymond Felton: 5-0.
Jeremy Lin: 3-4.Points:
Ray: 14.0 per game.
Lin: 11.9 per game.Assists:
Ray: 6.4 per game.
Lin: 6.4 per game.Turnovers:
Ray: 2.6 per game.
Lin: 2.6 per game.Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .400%
Lin: .373%Three Point Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .391%
Lin: .308%Rebounds:
Lin: 4.6 per game.
Ray: 3.2 per game.Steals:
Lin: 2.4 per game.
Ray: 1.6 per game.But yet, contract wise, Jeremy Lin is making more than double when compared to what Felton's making. It's a laughing stock joke. Felton's only due $12,540,000 over the next 3 years. Lin on the other hand? He's due $25,123,938 over the next 3 years; more than double Felton's contract. Felton over Jeremy Lin and it's not even close.
You know whats a shame, is that Jeremy Lin never earned his contract. Lin only A.) Played 26 regular season games before B.) Getting hurt while C.) Sitting out the final 17 regular season games while D.) Sitting out at 75-85% health while the Miami Heat murdered the Knicks during postseason play.
Lin looked guilty on that Knicks bench. You know why he looked guilty? Because he used the Knicks for his 26 games of production. He couldn't have cared less about his teammates being manhandled by Miami. He didn't even attempt to play a single minute during our Miami series, and you know why? Because he seen dollar signs were right around the corner. I could see it in his eyes (as he was sitting on that bench) that Jeremy Lin was fearful of being exposed as a potential turnover machine ala losing out on millions, upon million of dollars come the offseason. Trust me, Jeremy Lin knew exactly what he was doing. Sat out for that contract in which he currenlty has. Lin only put up 8 points and 3 assists while committing 8 turnovers against Miami during an 88-102 loss during the regular season. Lin sat out, at 75%-85% health, due to being fearful of being exposed by a very strong/athletic Miami Heat defense come postseason play.
Chances are, Houston doesn't even finish above .500 with Jeremy Lin running that offense.
Just looking at fg% is not enough if you are not a Berri disciple then your eyes will fool you. I Kidd but both are under .500 TS but Felton will go up with better FT shooting. I wanted Lin back but I was never sold he was going to be a star. He has some star qualities but if he doesn't start shooting better he may become a very good back up and there is nothing wrong with that.
Lin's TS% is .493 and Felton's is .473. So Felton is more below average than Lin there. Felton gets more PPG because he takes more low percentage shots than Lin does.
I know Felton is low and part of that is his FT% which is not near his norm pull that up to career avg and his TS should go up right.. DO you really think Felton will continue to shoot 55%. Also for those complaining about him shooting too much, he has to shoot those shots when the Pg go under and he is shooting above league average from 16-23 ft way above other star pgs. His 3pt shooting is near his last 3yrs minus the 1st half of last season. So as long as Felton keeps doing what he is doing and shoot better at the line he is good. Besides its not like he was taking many shots before last night.
NYKMentality wrote:I've supported Felton over Lin (100%) since day one. I loved Felton's run during 2010-2011 in which he averaged 17.1 points, 9.0 assists with 3.3 turnovers per game. Our first playoff push in what felt like forever. Stoudemire also feasted with Felton running the point. With Felton running the point, Stoudemire then went on to set a Knicks franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points. Amar'e feasted with Felton at the point.How quickly some of these Jeremy Lin lovers have forgotten, that Felton's 17.1 points, 9.0 assists and 3.3 turnovers per game were better numbers, more productive numbers than what Jeremy Lin put up during Linsanity. The difference? Felton put up those numbers for 54 games. Lin only had a small sample size of 26 games. Felton didn't get hurt after only 26 games either. Lin did. Felton didn't sit out the postseason due to an injury either. But Lin did. Felton loved being a Knick. Our front office had to trade Felton in order for Felton to miss a game in a Knicks uniform. If only the same could be said for an overrated Lin.
Here in 2012-2013, it's no different, Felton is (once again) out performing Jeremy Lin.
Record:
Reymond Felton: 5-0.
Jeremy Lin: 3-4.Points:
Ray: 14.0 per game.
Lin: 11.9 per game.Assists:
Ray: 6.4 per game.
Lin: 6.4 per game.Turnovers:
Ray: 2.6 per game.
Lin: 2.6 per game.Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .400%
Lin: .373%Three Point Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .391%
Lin: .308%Rebounds:
Lin: 4.6 per game.
Ray: 3.2 per game.Steals:
Lin: 2.4 per game.
Ray: 1.6 per game.But yet, contract wise, Jeremy Lin is making more than double when compared to what Felton's making. It's a laughing stock joke. Felton's only due $12,540,000 over the next 3 years. Lin on the other hand? He's due $25,123,938 over the next 3 years; more than double Felton's contract. Felton over Jeremy Lin and it's not even close.
You know whats a shame, is that Jeremy Lin never earned his contract. Lin only A.) Played 26 regular season games before B.) Getting hurt while C.) Sitting out the final 17 regular season games while D.) Sitting out at 75-85% health while the Miami Heat murdered the Knicks during postseason play.
Lin looked guilty on that Knicks bench. You know why he looked guilty? Because he used the Knicks for his 26 games of production. He couldn't have cared less about his teammates being manhandled by Miami. He didn't even attempt to play a single minute during our Miami series, and you know why? Because he seen dollar signs were right around the corner. I could see it in his eyes (as he was sitting on that bench) that Jeremy Lin was fearful of being exposed as a potential turnover machine ala losing out on millions, upon million of dollars come the offseason. Trust me, Jeremy Lin knew exactly what he was doing. Sat out for that contract in which he currenlty has. Lin only put up 8 points and 3 assists while committing 8 turnovers against Miami during an 88-102 loss during the regular season. Lin sat out, at 75%-85% health, due to being fearful of being exposed by a very strong/athletic Miami Heat defense come postseason play.
Chances are, Houston doesn't even finish above .500 with Jeremy Lin running that offense.
1. There are people on this board who thought Felton was going to have a good season AND are rooting for Lin. It's true.
You must have been on this board to see the beginnings of the
"I vote for Felton!"/ " Well, I vote for Lin!" idiocy!
It seems you've been around long enough before your join date to have gotten sucked into this idiocy.
2. You were making some good points until that paragraph in bold. It's a nice narrative. It could be true. It could be not.
There is absolutely no way to prove or disprove whether
- "Lin looked guilty"
- "He couldn't have cared less about his teammates being manhandled by Miami"
"Trust me, Jeremy Lin knew exactly what he was doing"
Um why exactly should anyone on this board or on the planet earth "trust" your "knowledge" of the situation over anyone elses?
I'm not trying to simply be combative here. I am genuinely bewildered how anyone can speak with such certainty about whether he was or was not healthy enough to play without further injuring his knee.
I'm also completely confused as to how one can take what little is known about him and what we observed during the season to make a statement like "He couldn't have cared less about his teammates"
It sounds like these are the conclusions you've reached and there's no point of going back and forth 100 times when your opinion won't change. Me? I have no idea what was going on inside the guy's head and knee because I'm not him. I wasn't in that locker room or anywhere near where I could observe the kid firsthand.
Where were you?
It's a free country so if you want to espouse your own theory or i guess "educated"? guesses about what went down then you're free to. but i sincerely hope you realize that's all they are, guesses and theories, and you're not actually walking around in the belief that YOU NYKMENTALITY possess The Real Story of Jeremy Lin.
If you do possess some power such as invisibility that allows you to slip behind walls do the board a favor and please:
- get us a copy of the next Iman Shumpert mixtape
- while you're at it, please tell us if Iman Shumpert is faking the extent of his injury because he needs time to work on his album.
- which NBA players care the most about their teammates?
- Can you please get inside Jeremy Lin's head and tell us how he felt during his latest regular season game against the heat. Is he confident enough to face them again or will he now fake an injury the next time Houston plays them so he can avoid exposing his penchant for crunchtime airballs form downtown?
Also can you ask Jeremy where that couch went and if I can have it? Times are tough and I'd like to ebay it.
Thanks!
Actually I am trying to be combative. I'm not going to try bother guessing what your name on this board was before.
If you keep posting gems like the last one it will encourage me to stop reading this board I guess. Thanks.
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:I've supported Felton over Lin (100%) since day one. I loved Felton's run during 2010-2011 in which he averaged 17.1 points, 9.0 assists with 3.3 turnovers per game. Our first playoff push in what felt like forever. Stoudemire also feasted with Felton running the point. With Felton running the point, Stoudemire then went on to set a Knicks franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points. Amar'e feasted with Felton at the point.How quickly some of these Jeremy Lin lovers have forgotten, that Felton's 17.1 points, 9.0 assists and 3.3 turnovers per game were better numbers, more productive numbers than what Jeremy Lin put up during Linsanity. The difference? Felton put up those numbers for 54 games. Lin only had a small sample size of 26 games. Felton didn't get hurt after only 26 games either. Lin did. Felton didn't sit out the postseason due to an injury either. But Lin did. Felton loved being a Knick. Our front office had to trade Felton in order for Felton to miss a game in a Knicks uniform. If only the same could be said for an overrated Lin.
Here in 2012-2013, it's no different, Felton is (once again) out performing Jeremy Lin.
Record:
Reymond Felton: 5-0.
Jeremy Lin: 3-4.Points:
Ray: 14.0 per game.
Lin: 11.9 per game.Assists:
Ray: 6.4 per game.
Lin: 6.4 per game.Turnovers:
Ray: 2.6 per game.
Lin: 2.6 per game.Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .400%
Lin: .373%Three Point Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .391%
Lin: .308%Rebounds:
Lin: 4.6 per game.
Ray: 3.2 per game.Steals:
Lin: 2.4 per game.
Ray: 1.6 per game.But yet, contract wise, Jeremy Lin is making more than double when compared to what Felton's making. It's a laughing stock joke. Felton's only due $12,540,000 over the next 3 years. Lin on the other hand? He's due $25,123,938 over the next 3 years; more than double Felton's contract. Felton over Jeremy Lin and it's not even close.
You know whats a shame, is that Jeremy Lin never earned his contract. Lin only A.) Played 26 regular season games before B.) Getting hurt while C.) Sitting out the final 17 regular season games while D.) Sitting out at 75-85% health while the Miami Heat murdered the Knicks during postseason play.
Lin looked guilty on that Knicks bench. You know why he looked guilty? Because he used the Knicks for his 26 games of production. He couldn't have cared less about his teammates being manhandled by Miami. He didn't even attempt to play a single minute during our Miami series, and you know why? Because he seen dollar signs were right around the corner. I could see it in his eyes (as he was sitting on that bench) that Jeremy Lin was fearful of being exposed as a potential turnover machine ala losing out on millions, upon million of dollars come the offseason. Trust me, Jeremy Lin knew exactly what he was doing. Sat out for that contract in which he currenlty has. Lin only put up 8 points and 3 assists while committing 8 turnovers against Miami during an 88-102 loss during the regular season. Lin sat out, at 75%-85% health, due to being fearful of being exposed by a very strong/athletic Miami Heat defense come postseason play.
Chances are, Houston doesn't even finish above .500 with Jeremy Lin running that offense.
Just looking at fg% is not enough if you are not a Berri disciple then your eyes will fool you. I Kidd but both are under .500 TS but Felton will go up with better FT shooting. I wanted Lin back but I was never sold he was going to be a star. He has some star qualities but if he doesn't start shooting better he may become a very good back up and there is nothing wrong with that.
Lin's TS% is .493 and Felton's is .473. So Felton is more below average than Lin there. Felton gets more PPG because he takes more low percentage shots than Lin does.I know Felton is low and part of that is his FT% which is not near his norm pull that up to career avg and his TS should go up right.. DO you really think Felton will continue to shoot 55%. Also for those complaining about him shooting too much, he has to shoot those shots when the Pg go under and he is shooting above league average from 16-23 ft way above other star pgs. His 3pt shooting is near his last 3yrs minus the 1st half of last season. So as long as Felton keeps doing what he is doing and shoot better at the line he is good. Besides its not like he was taking many shots before last night.
I don't think Felton will continue to shoot 55% FT but I also don't think he'll continue to shoot .390 from 3 pt range. I'm not complaining about Felton's overall performance though. For what we're paying him, he's turned out to be a good bargain.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:I've supported Felton over Lin (100%) since day one. I loved Felton's run during 2010-2011 in which he averaged 17.1 points, 9.0 assists with 3.3 turnovers per game. Our first playoff push in what felt like forever. Stoudemire also feasted with Felton running the point. With Felton running the point, Stoudemire then went on to set a Knicks franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points. Amar'e feasted with Felton at the point.How quickly some of these Jeremy Lin lovers have forgotten, that Felton's 17.1 points, 9.0 assists and 3.3 turnovers per game were better numbers, more productive numbers than what Jeremy Lin put up during Linsanity. The difference? Felton put up those numbers for 54 games. Lin only had a small sample size of 26 games. Felton didn't get hurt after only 26 games either. Lin did. Felton didn't sit out the postseason due to an injury either. But Lin did. Felton loved being a Knick. Our front office had to trade Felton in order for Felton to miss a game in a Knicks uniform. If only the same could be said for an overrated Lin.
Here in 2012-2013, it's no different, Felton is (once again) out performing Jeremy Lin.
Record:
Reymond Felton: 5-0.
Jeremy Lin: 3-4.Points:
Ray: 14.0 per game.
Lin: 11.9 per game.Assists:
Ray: 6.4 per game.
Lin: 6.4 per game.Turnovers:
Ray: 2.6 per game.
Lin: 2.6 per game.Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .400%
Lin: .373%Three Point Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .391%
Lin: .308%Rebounds:
Lin: 4.6 per game.
Ray: 3.2 per game.Steals:
Lin: 2.4 per game.
Ray: 1.6 per game.But yet, contract wise, Jeremy Lin is making more than double when compared to what Felton's making. It's a laughing stock joke. Felton's only due $12,540,000 over the next 3 years. Lin on the other hand? He's due $25,123,938 over the next 3 years; more than double Felton's contract. Felton over Jeremy Lin and it's not even close.
You know whats a shame, is that Jeremy Lin never earned his contract. Lin only A.) Played 26 regular season games before B.) Getting hurt while C.) Sitting out the final 17 regular season games while D.) Sitting out at 75-85% health while the Miami Heat murdered the Knicks during postseason play.
Lin looked guilty on that Knicks bench. You know why he looked guilty? Because he used the Knicks for his 26 games of production. He couldn't have cared less about his teammates being manhandled by Miami. He didn't even attempt to play a single minute during our Miami series, and you know why? Because he seen dollar signs were right around the corner. I could see it in his eyes (as he was sitting on that bench) that Jeremy Lin was fearful of being exposed as a potential turnover machine ala losing out on millions, upon million of dollars come the offseason. Trust me, Jeremy Lin knew exactly what he was doing. Sat out for that contract in which he currenlty has. Lin only put up 8 points and 3 assists while committing 8 turnovers against Miami during an 88-102 loss during the regular season. Lin sat out, at 75%-85% health, due to being fearful of being exposed by a very strong/athletic Miami Heat defense come postseason play.
Chances are, Houston doesn't even finish above .500 with Jeremy Lin running that offense.
Just looking at fg% is not enough if you are not a Berri disciple then your eyes will fool you. I Kidd but both are under .500 TS but Felton will go up with better FT shooting. I wanted Lin back but I was never sold he was going to be a star. He has some star qualities but if he doesn't start shooting better he may become a very good back up and there is nothing wrong with that.
Lin's TS% is .493 and Felton's is .473. So Felton is more below average than Lin there. Felton gets more PPG because he takes more low percentage shots than Lin does.I know Felton is low and part of that is his FT% which is not near his norm pull that up to career avg and his TS should go up right.. DO you really think Felton will continue to shoot 55%. Also for those complaining about him shooting too much, he has to shoot those shots when the Pg go under and he is shooting above league average from 16-23 ft way above other star pgs. His 3pt shooting is near his last 3yrs minus the 1st half of last season. So as long as Felton keeps doing what he is doing and shoot better at the line he is good. Besides its not like he was taking many shots before last night.
I don't think Felton will continue to shoot 55% FT but I also don't think he'll continue to shoot .390 from 3 pt range. I'm not complaining about Felton's overall performance though. For what we're paying him, he's turned out to be a good bargain.
He has shot 37% the last 3 yrs minus out of shape 1st half so is it really a stretch. My probable with Felton is that he is not a good finisher and that to many of his layups continually roll out. IS he a great shooter no. Basically I know what Felton is and can live with what he is and what he isn't.
His floor leadership and court vision is decent. He needs to watch Kidd and learn to see the entire court. Felton is good when he keys in on the PnR with Amare or Chandler but his playmaking definitely needs work. He's been in the league for almost a decade maybe he won't change but hopefully having Kidd around makes him a more complete PG. We need Felton to play flawlessly in order to have any chance at a ring. Melo and Amare alone won't cut it. Right now the team is in better hands with Kidd at the point.
gunsnewing wrote:Felton is a decent 3pt shooter and does a great job of getting to the rim. Problem is I rarely ever see him hit a midrange jumper. As a pg that is quite alarming. No doubt in my mind that the lack of a midrange jumper is the reason for his 39% career FG%. If he worked on his midrange game he would be a more efficient offensive player.His floor leadership and court vision is decent. He needs to watch Kidd and learn to see the entire court. Felton is good when he keys in on the PnR with Amare or Chandler but his playmaking definitely needs work. He's been in the league for almost a decade maybe he won't change but hopefully having Kidd around makes him a more complete PG. We need Felton to play flawlessly in order to have any chance at a ring. Melo and Amare alone won't cut it. Right now the team is in better hands with Kidd at the point.
That's part of it but he's also actually well below average in shots near the rim too - career-wise his percentage in the low 50s while the average is mid 60s.
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name...
gunsnewing wrote:Felton is a decent 3pt shooter and does a great job of getting to the rim. Problem is I rarely ever see him hit a midrange jumper. As a pg that is quite alarming. No doubt in my mind that the lack of a midrange jumper is the reason for his 39% career FG%. If he worked on his midrange game he would be a more efficient offensive player.His floor leadership and court vision is decent. He needs to watch Kidd and learn to see the entire court. Felton is good when he keys in on the PnR with Amare or Chandler but his playmaking definitely needs work. He's been in the league for almost a decade maybe he won't change but hopefully having Kidd around makes him a more complete PG. We need Felton to play flawlessly in order to have any chance at a ring. Melo and Amare alone won't cut it. Right now the team is in better hands with Kidd at the point.
Here is an interesting post from Knickerblogger on Felton.
http://knickerblogger.net/recap-knicks-99-magic-89/#comments
Frank
November 14, 2012 at 10:29 amJC Knickfan: To me Felton has shown zero inclination training hard off-season on specially on his shot.Honestly open jumper is easiest thing practice and through tons repetition anyone can get better. If defense start daring Felton shoot and he doesn’t improve this going to be on-going bitchfest throughout the season.
Holy W%$^$@#. This is all based on a 3 for 8 performance in 1 game that we won by 10 points?
FYI, Felton has shot 43% from 16-23 feet this season. The average FG% from 16-23 for guards in the NBA this season, last season, and last season is 38-39%. This year he’s shooting better from that range than Deron Williams, Tony Parker, Ty Lawson, Jrue Holiday, and Russell Westbrook. On top of that, he’s only shooting 2.3 long J’s per 40, which ranks him 29th in the league when you look at PGs playing over 25 min/game (ie. starters). There are only 39 PGs in the league playing 25 min+ per game.
He’s shooting 37.5% from 3 point range (which incidentally is basically what he’s done the last 3 seasons if you subtract out his out-of-shape 1st half with Portland last year). The Knicks are better offensively when he’s on the court (+7.5 per 100 poss) and defensively as well (-2.9 per 100 poss).
Sometimes I don’t understand Knick fans. We’ve won all 5 games by double digits and we’re (incorrectly) nitpicking on Felton shooting 3/8 from 16-23ft in ONE GAME.
The reason this game was even close is because our defense SUCKED ASS until the 4th quarter. Not because Felton shot 8 long Js.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:I've supported Felton over Lin (100%) since day one. I loved Felton's run during 2010-2011 in which he averaged 17.1 points, 9.0 assists with 3.3 turnovers per game. Our first playoff push in what felt like forever. Stoudemire also feasted with Felton running the point. With Felton running the point, Stoudemire then went on to set a Knicks franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points. Amar'e feasted with Felton at the point.How quickly some of these Jeremy Lin lovers have forgotten, that Felton's 17.1 points, 9.0 assists and 3.3 turnovers per game were better numbers, more productive numbers than what Jeremy Lin put up during Linsanity. The difference? Felton put up those numbers for 54 games. Lin only had a small sample size of 26 games. Felton didn't get hurt after only 26 games either. Lin did. Felton didn't sit out the postseason due to an injury either. But Lin did. Felton loved being a Knick. Our front office had to trade Felton in order for Felton to miss a game in a Knicks uniform. If only the same could be said for an overrated Lin.
Here in 2012-2013, it's no different, Felton is (once again) out performing Jeremy Lin.
Record:
Reymond Felton: 5-0.
Jeremy Lin: 3-4.Points:
Ray: 14.0 per game.
Lin: 11.9 per game.Assists:
Ray: 6.4 per game.
Lin: 6.4 per game.Turnovers:
Ray: 2.6 per game.
Lin: 2.6 per game.Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .400%
Lin: .373%Three Point Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .391%
Lin: .308%Rebounds:
Lin: 4.6 per game.
Ray: 3.2 per game.Steals:
Lin: 2.4 per game.
Ray: 1.6 per game.But yet, contract wise, Jeremy Lin is making more than double when compared to what Felton's making. It's a laughing stock joke. Felton's only due $12,540,000 over the next 3 years. Lin on the other hand? He's due $25,123,938 over the next 3 years; more than double Felton's contract. Felton over Jeremy Lin and it's not even close.
You know whats a shame, is that Jeremy Lin never earned his contract. Lin only A.) Played 26 regular season games before B.) Getting hurt while C.) Sitting out the final 17 regular season games while D.) Sitting out at 75-85% health while the Miami Heat murdered the Knicks during postseason play.
Lin looked guilty on that Knicks bench. You know why he looked guilty? Because he used the Knicks for his 26 games of production. He couldn't have cared less about his teammates being manhandled by Miami. He didn't even attempt to play a single minute during our Miami series, and you know why? Because he seen dollar signs were right around the corner. I could see it in his eyes (as he was sitting on that bench) that Jeremy Lin was fearful of being exposed as a potential turnover machine ala losing out on millions, upon million of dollars come the offseason. Trust me, Jeremy Lin knew exactly what he was doing. Sat out for that contract in which he currenlty has. Lin only put up 8 points and 3 assists while committing 8 turnovers against Miami during an 88-102 loss during the regular season. Lin sat out, at 75%-85% health, due to being fearful of being exposed by a very strong/athletic Miami Heat defense come postseason play.
Chances are, Houston doesn't even finish above .500 with Jeremy Lin running that offense.
Just looking at fg% is not enough if you are not a Berri disciple then your eyes will fool you. I Kidd but both are under .500 TS but Felton will go up with better FT shooting. I wanted Lin back but I was never sold he was going to be a star. He has some star qualities but if he doesn't start shooting better he may become a very good back up and there is nothing wrong with that.
Lin's TS% is .493 and Felton's is .473. So Felton is more below average than Lin there. Felton gets more PPG because he takes more low percentage shots than Lin does.
TS% is nonsense...Your FTs should not be part of an equation that assesses your field goals...It doesn't give you an accurate view of how a player is shooting...The only way Lin TS% is better is from his free throws..Lin ft is .905%...Ray is ft is .55%...Nice try with the Ray takes low percentage shots than Lin...
Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Felton is a decent 3pt shooter and does a great job of getting to the rim. Problem is I rarely ever see him hit a midrange jumper. As a pg that is quite alarming. No doubt in my mind that the lack of a midrange jumper is the reason for his 39% career FG%. If he worked on his midrange game he would be a more efficient offensive player.His floor leadership and court vision is decent. He needs to watch Kidd and learn to see the entire court. Felton is good when he keys in on the PnR with Amare or Chandler but his playmaking definitely needs work. He's been in the league for almost a decade maybe he won't change but hopefully having Kidd around makes him a more complete PG. We need Felton to play flawlessly in order to have any chance at a ring. Melo and Amare alone won't cut it. Right now the team is in better hands with Kidd at the point.
That's part of it but he's also actually well below average in shots near the rim too - career-wise his percentage in the low 50s while the average is mid 60s.
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name...
exactly and you don't even have to look into those stats to see where Felton needs to improve to be a more complete PG. All you have to do is watch his 55 games as a Knick and those are his motivated years. I can only imagine watching the Felton of Charlotte. Saw him play quite a few games as a Nugget and Blazer and its the same thing. He does not shoot well from 10-20ft. As a PG it is mind boggling when you consider what complete hall of fame PGs like nash, stockton and kevin johnson did from 10-20ft. With Felton its 3 ball or layup and nothing else. Man its a shame how good he can be if he just worked on his game. Court vision is another story but if he just perfected his efficiency in creating his own offense he'd be considered a top PG in the league. Lin scored from all 3 areas consistently last year as a rookie. That is why I refuse to judge Lin on 5-6 games to start the year. I think Lin will eventually get to the point where you can say he is a complete PG. Felton has been in the league a decade so I can't be as sure about him ever getting there but I an hopeful he will one day.
holfresh wrote:TS% is nonsense...Your FTs should not be part of an equation that assesses your field goals...It doesn't give you an accurate view of how a player is shooting...The only way Lin TS% is better is from his free throws..Lin ft is .905%...Ray is ft is .55%...Nice try with the Ray takes low percentage shots than Lin...
Exactly.
Trying to say that Lin has a better shooting percentage when compared to Felton thus far is laughable. Especailly because of free throws, due to the fact that Felton has only attempted 9 free throws combined. TS% my ass.
FG%
Ray: .400%
Lin: .365%
3P%
Ray: .391%
Lin: .308%
Now, I understand that Felton hasn't exactly shot the rock lights out himself, but to even sugest that Jeremy Lin's shooting percentage is on par with Felton, due to Felton taking 9 free throw attempts is absurd. Jeremy Lin has been awful when shooting the ball here in 2012-2013.
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:I've supported Felton over Lin (100%) since day one. I loved Felton's run during 2010-2011 in which he averaged 17.1 points, 9.0 assists with 3.3 turnovers per game. Our first playoff push in what felt like forever. Stoudemire also feasted with Felton running the point. With Felton running the point, Stoudemire then went on to set a Knicks franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points. Amar'e feasted with Felton at the point.How quickly some of these Jeremy Lin lovers have forgotten, that Felton's 17.1 points, 9.0 assists and 3.3 turnovers per game were better numbers, more productive numbers than what Jeremy Lin put up during Linsanity. The difference? Felton put up those numbers for 54 games. Lin only had a small sample size of 26 games. Felton didn't get hurt after only 26 games either. Lin did. Felton didn't sit out the postseason due to an injury either. But Lin did. Felton loved being a Knick. Our front office had to trade Felton in order for Felton to miss a game in a Knicks uniform. If only the same could be said for an overrated Lin.
Here in 2012-2013, it's no different, Felton is (once again) out performing Jeremy Lin.
Record:
Reymond Felton: 5-0.
Jeremy Lin: 3-4.Points:
Ray: 14.0 per game.
Lin: 11.9 per game.Assists:
Ray: 6.4 per game.
Lin: 6.4 per game.Turnovers:
Ray: 2.6 per game.
Lin: 2.6 per game.Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .400%
Lin: .373%Three Point Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .391%
Lin: .308%Rebounds:
Lin: 4.6 per game.
Ray: 3.2 per game.Steals:
Lin: 2.4 per game.
Ray: 1.6 per game.But yet, contract wise, Jeremy Lin is making more than double when compared to what Felton's making. It's a laughing stock joke. Felton's only due $12,540,000 over the next 3 years. Lin on the other hand? He's due $25,123,938 over the next 3 years; more than double Felton's contract. Felton over Jeremy Lin and it's not even close.
You know whats a shame, is that Jeremy Lin never earned his contract. Lin only A.) Played 26 regular season games before B.) Getting hurt while C.) Sitting out the final 17 regular season games while D.) Sitting out at 75-85% health while the Miami Heat murdered the Knicks during postseason play.
Lin looked guilty on that Knicks bench. You know why he looked guilty? Because he used the Knicks for his 26 games of production. He couldn't have cared less about his teammates being manhandled by Miami. He didn't even attempt to play a single minute during our Miami series, and you know why? Because he seen dollar signs were right around the corner. I could see it in his eyes (as he was sitting on that bench) that Jeremy Lin was fearful of being exposed as a potential turnover machine ala losing out on millions, upon million of dollars come the offseason. Trust me, Jeremy Lin knew exactly what he was doing. Sat out for that contract in which he currenlty has. Lin only put up 8 points and 3 assists while committing 8 turnovers against Miami during an 88-102 loss during the regular season. Lin sat out, at 75%-85% health, due to being fearful of being exposed by a very strong/athletic Miami Heat defense come postseason play.
Chances are, Houston doesn't even finish above .500 with Jeremy Lin running that offense.
Just looking at fg% is not enough if you are not a Berri disciple then your eyes will fool you. I Kidd but both are under .500 TS but Felton will go up with better FT shooting. I wanted Lin back but I was never sold he was going to be a star. He has some star qualities but if he doesn't start shooting better he may become a very good back up and there is nothing wrong with that.
Lin's TS% is .493 and Felton's is .473. So Felton is more below average than Lin there. Felton gets more PPG because he takes more low percentage shots than Lin does.TS% is nonsense...Your FTs should not be part of an equation that assesses your field goals...It doesn't give you an accurate view of how a player is shooting...The only way Lin TS% is better is from his free throws..Lin ft is .905%...Ray is ft is .55%...Nice try with the Ray takes low percentage shots than Lin...
You do not understand the purpose of TS%. The purpose is not to give an indication of how efficiently a player is shooting; it is to give an indication of how efficiently the player is scoring.
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:I've supported Felton over Lin (100%) since day one. I loved Felton's run during 2010-2011 in which he averaged 17.1 points, 9.0 assists with 3.3 turnovers per game. Our first playoff push in what felt like forever. Stoudemire also feasted with Felton running the point. With Felton running the point, Stoudemire then went on to set a Knicks franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points. Amar'e feasted with Felton at the point.How quickly some of these Jeremy Lin lovers have forgotten, that Felton's 17.1 points, 9.0 assists and 3.3 turnovers per game were better numbers, more productive numbers than what Jeremy Lin put up during Linsanity. The difference? Felton put up those numbers for 54 games. Lin only had a small sample size of 26 games. Felton didn't get hurt after only 26 games either. Lin did. Felton didn't sit out the postseason due to an injury either. But Lin did. Felton loved being a Knick. Our front office had to trade Felton in order for Felton to miss a game in a Knicks uniform. If only the same could be said for an overrated Lin.
Here in 2012-2013, it's no different, Felton is (once again) out performing Jeremy Lin.
Record:
Reymond Felton: 5-0.
Jeremy Lin: 3-4.Points:
Ray: 14.0 per game.
Lin: 11.9 per game.Assists:
Ray: 6.4 per game.
Lin: 6.4 per game.Turnovers:
Ray: 2.6 per game.
Lin: 2.6 per game.Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .400%
Lin: .373%Three Point Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .391%
Lin: .308%Rebounds:
Lin: 4.6 per game.
Ray: 3.2 per game.Steals:
Lin: 2.4 per game.
Ray: 1.6 per game.But yet, contract wise, Jeremy Lin is making more than double when compared to what Felton's making. It's a laughing stock joke. Felton's only due $12,540,000 over the next 3 years. Lin on the other hand? He's due $25,123,938 over the next 3 years; more than double Felton's contract. Felton over Jeremy Lin and it's not even close.
You know whats a shame, is that Jeremy Lin never earned his contract. Lin only A.) Played 26 regular season games before B.) Getting hurt while C.) Sitting out the final 17 regular season games while D.) Sitting out at 75-85% health while the Miami Heat murdered the Knicks during postseason play.
Lin looked guilty on that Knicks bench. You know why he looked guilty? Because he used the Knicks for his 26 games of production. He couldn't have cared less about his teammates being manhandled by Miami. He didn't even attempt to play a single minute during our Miami series, and you know why? Because he seen dollar signs were right around the corner. I could see it in his eyes (as he was sitting on that bench) that Jeremy Lin was fearful of being exposed as a potential turnover machine ala losing out on millions, upon million of dollars come the offseason. Trust me, Jeremy Lin knew exactly what he was doing. Sat out for that contract in which he currenlty has. Lin only put up 8 points and 3 assists while committing 8 turnovers against Miami during an 88-102 loss during the regular season. Lin sat out, at 75%-85% health, due to being fearful of being exposed by a very strong/athletic Miami Heat defense come postseason play.
Chances are, Houston doesn't even finish above .500 with Jeremy Lin running that offense.
Just looking at fg% is not enough if you are not a Berri disciple then your eyes will fool you. I Kidd but both are under .500 TS but Felton will go up with better FT shooting. I wanted Lin back but I was never sold he was going to be a star. He has some star qualities but if he doesn't start shooting better he may become a very good back up and there is nothing wrong with that.
Lin's TS% is .493 and Felton's is .473. So Felton is more below average than Lin there. Felton gets more PPG because he takes more low percentage shots than Lin does.TS% is nonsense...Your FTs should not be part of an equation that assesses your field goals...It doesn't give you an accurate view of how a player is shooting...The only way Lin TS% is better is from his free throws..Lin ft is .905%...Ray is ft is .55%...Nice try with the Ray takes low percentage shots than Lin...
I agree TS% also doesn't support the fact that Felton has no midrange game as he rarely shoots from inside the 3pt line unless it is a drive/layup. Thats why you watch games and not numbers period
gunsnewing wrote:I don't think you can rely on those numbers because felton just doesn't shoot enough from inside the 3pt line. The few times he does he misses so of course the numbers will look bad. To have a pg who can't shoot midrange jumpers or refuses to work on it and settles for too many 3's is just puzzling. Unless you are a 3pt specialist like Novak or a big spacing the floor is just not an efficient shot.
I'm not sure if you're replying to me but I was citing the numbers from Felton's entire career, not just this season.
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:I've supported Felton over Lin (100%) since day one. I loved Felton's run during 2010-2011 in which he averaged 17.1 points, 9.0 assists with 3.3 turnovers per game. Our first playoff push in what felt like forever. Stoudemire also feasted with Felton running the point. With Felton running the point, Stoudemire then went on to set a Knicks franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points. Amar'e feasted with Felton at the point.How quickly some of these Jeremy Lin lovers have forgotten, that Felton's 17.1 points, 9.0 assists and 3.3 turnovers per game were better numbers, more productive numbers than what Jeremy Lin put up during Linsanity. The difference? Felton put up those numbers for 54 games. Lin only had a small sample size of 26 games. Felton didn't get hurt after only 26 games either. Lin did. Felton didn't sit out the postseason due to an injury either. But Lin did. Felton loved being a Knick. Our front office had to trade Felton in order for Felton to miss a game in a Knicks uniform. If only the same could be said for an overrated Lin.
Here in 2012-2013, it's no different, Felton is (once again) out performing Jeremy Lin.
Record:
Reymond Felton: 5-0.
Jeremy Lin: 3-4.Points:
Ray: 14.0 per game.
Lin: 11.9 per game.Assists:
Ray: 6.4 per game.
Lin: 6.4 per game.Turnovers:
Ray: 2.6 per game.
Lin: 2.6 per game.Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .400%
Lin: .373%Three Point Field Goal Percentage:
Ray: .391%
Lin: .308%Rebounds:
Lin: 4.6 per game.
Ray: 3.2 per game.Steals:
Lin: 2.4 per game.
Ray: 1.6 per game.But yet, contract wise, Jeremy Lin is making more than double when compared to what Felton's making. It's a laughing stock joke. Felton's only due $12,540,000 over the next 3 years. Lin on the other hand? He's due $25,123,938 over the next 3 years; more than double Felton's contract. Felton over Jeremy Lin and it's not even close.
You know whats a shame, is that Jeremy Lin never earned his contract. Lin only A.) Played 26 regular season games before B.) Getting hurt while C.) Sitting out the final 17 regular season games while D.) Sitting out at 75-85% health while the Miami Heat murdered the Knicks during postseason play.
Lin looked guilty on that Knicks bench. You know why he looked guilty? Because he used the Knicks for his 26 games of production. He couldn't have cared less about his teammates being manhandled by Miami. He didn't even attempt to play a single minute during our Miami series, and you know why? Because he seen dollar signs were right around the corner. I could see it in his eyes (as he was sitting on that bench) that Jeremy Lin was fearful of being exposed as a potential turnover machine ala losing out on millions, upon million of dollars come the offseason. Trust me, Jeremy Lin knew exactly what he was doing. Sat out for that contract in which he currenlty has. Lin only put up 8 points and 3 assists while committing 8 turnovers against Miami during an 88-102 loss during the regular season. Lin sat out, at 75%-85% health, due to being fearful of being exposed by a very strong/athletic Miami Heat defense come postseason play.
Chances are, Houston doesn't even finish above .500 with Jeremy Lin running that offense.
Just looking at fg% is not enough if you are not a Berri disciple then your eyes will fool you. I Kidd but both are under .500 TS but Felton will go up with better FT shooting. I wanted Lin back but I was never sold he was going to be a star. He has some star qualities but if he doesn't start shooting better he may become a very good back up and there is nothing wrong with that.
Lin's TS% is .493 and Felton's is .473. So Felton is more below average than Lin there. Felton gets more PPG because he takes more low percentage shots than Lin does.TS% is nonsense...Your FTs should not be part of an equation that assesses your field goals...It doesn't give you an accurate view of how a player is shooting...The only way Lin TS% is better is from his free throws..Lin ft is .905%...Ray is ft is .55%...Nice try with the Ray takes low percentage shots than Lin...
You do not understand the purpose of TS%. The purpose is not to give an indication of how efficiently a player is shooting; it is to give an indication of how efficiently the player is scoring.
It's still is misnomer because when u think of scoring you think of FG...And how does one assess a percentage to scoring???
Bonn1997 wrote:You do not understand the purpose of TS%. The purpose is not to give an indication of how efficiently a player is shooting; it is to give an indication of how efficiently the player is scoring.
Well, then, outside of 9 free throw attempts from Felton, Raymond Felton has been a much better scorer when compared to Lin thus far.
PPG:
Ray: 14.0
Lin: 11.9
FG%
Ray: .400%
Lin: .365%
3P%
Ray: .391%
Lin: .308%
TS% or not, there is no question which player is scoring more efficiently; and it's not Jeremy Lin.