babyKnicks wrote:holfresh wrote:IrishKnickFan wrote:why are we even still talking about lin we should just focus on our team now. I mean i feel some dislike lin and are trying to prove he is a bum. The truth is we dont know what lin is but im not concerned with lin anymore im more concerned with the knicks
We talk about everything associated with the Knicks, past, present, and future..It has always been the case and will always be the case....We even talk about Ewing and Oak, you going to complain about that too??
Yeah. We all need to relax a little. Lin is still an impact on this season. It's one thing to keep saying he is good, when he clearly isn't. It's a good thing to remind all the posters that called anybody associated with Knicks management every bad word in the book, when all signs are pointing to Lin not living up to expectations and Felton already surpassing them.
We also got Kidd and brewer from the bulls for pennies on the dollar.
Look im happy with our point guards we have now but i think lin is a good kid and he also brought excitement back to the garden. I dont care about talking about lin i've just noticed every day there seems to be more about lin than our own team lol. I think the knicks will have a good year despite what happens to amare
Lin isn't highly respected enough amongst his peers. The season of "Earn Stripes" via Melo...
misterearl wrote:ComparisonsBonn1997 wrote:If I wanted to know about a player's PG skills, I would not seek DWill's opinion. He's basically a glorified Stephon Marbury.
bonn1997 - why isn't Deron Williams thought of as Steve Nash with better defense?
Steve Nash with better defense? Have you watched Deron Williams during his career, especially since he was traded to the Nets? Have you ever watched Steve Nash play? Last season, Nash played with absolutely fucking nobody and put up 12 and 10 while shooting 53% from the field and 39% from 3. Deron put up 21 and 8 shooting 40% from the field and 33% from 3.
Bonn1997 wrote:because his offensive game is nothing like Steve Nash's. Nash only takes high quality shots. He knows it's better to set-up an easy shot for a teammate than to take an off-balance, contested 20 foot jump shot. Deron doesn't know that.
Net fans also complain all the time about his body language and lack of leadership. Very Marburyesque
VCoug wrote:misterearl wrote:ComparisonsBonn1997 wrote:If I wanted to know about a player's PG skills, I would not seek DWill's opinion. He's basically a glorified Stephon Marbury.
bonn1997 - why isn't Deron Williams thought of as Steve Nash with better defense?
Steve Nash with better defense? Have you watched Deron Williams during his career, especially since he was traded to the Nets? Have you ever watched Steve Nash play? Last season, Nash played with absolutely fucking nobody and put up 12 and 10 while shooting 53% from the field and 39% from 3. Deron put up 21 and 8 shooting 40% from the field and 33% from 3.
I think he reminds me more of Stockton since Stockton was a better defender than Nash.
gunsnewing wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:because his offensive game is nothing like Steve Nash's. Nash only takes high quality shots. He knows it's better to set-up an easy shot for a teammate than to take an off-balance, contested 20 foot jump shot. Deron doesn't know that.
Net fans also complain all the time about his body language and lack of leadership. Very Marburyesque
He is in Jersey for the money and because the new cba forced him to stay. That being said. I am sure his attitude improved with the offseason NJ had.
Deron Williams gets 20 pts and 10 assists a night.
Knicks would be championship contenders with Deron Williams. The guy is NASTY.
AnubisADL wrote:Deron Williams gets 20 pts and 10 assists a night.Knicks would be championship contenders with Deron Williams. The guy is NASTY.
The problem and silliness in comparing him to players like Nash and Stockton is the efficiency number are not even close.
Citing PPG and Assists (and embellishing while you're at it) while ignoring everything else - I think we've gone even further into Marbury territory!
Deron averages 20 & 8. Not 20 & 10. He benefited from playing in Sloan's heavy pick n roll system. You know who also averaged 20 & 8 and didn't make his teammates better and took toO many shots as a pg and had bad body language and bad leadership? STEPHON MARRRRRRBURY!!!
Deron Williams had more talent surrounding him last year than Steve Nash did. The Nets finished 22-44 and 25th in the league. The Suns finished 33-33 and 18th in the league.
VCoug wrote:Deron Williams had more talent surrounding him last year than Steve Nash did. The Nets finished 22-44 and 25th in the league. The Suns finished 33-33 and 18th in the league.
Nets weren't that healthy Brook broke his foot early on, even D-Will missed some games himself. I do think he is overrated in terms of top point guards if you factor both sides of the ball and not sure if he's a true "Max Player" but I'd take him over both "Max Players" we have.
gunsnewing wrote:Deron averages 20 & 8. Not 20 & 10. He benefited from playing in Sloan's heavy pick n roll system. You know who also averaged 20 & 8 and didn't make his teammates better and took toO many shots as a pg and had bad body language and bad leadership? STEPHON MARRRRRRBURY!!!
Deron averages 17.6 and 9.2
Just Sayin. 9.2 is pretty damn good.
mrKnickShot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Deron averages 20 & 8. Not 20 & 10. He benefited from playing in Sloan's heavy pick n roll system. You know who also averaged 20 & 8 and didn't make his teammates better and took toO many shots as a pg and had bad body language and bad leadership? STEPHON MARRRRRRBURY!!!
Deron averages 17.6 and 9.2
Just Sayin. 9.2 is pretty damn good.
It is. In the past year and a half, though, assists per game is the only useful stat that he's been good at. The turnovers are bad and shooting efficiency is quite bad. When shooting efficiency is quite bad and you take a lot of shots, the outcome is brutal.
AnubisADL wrote:Deron Williams gets 20 pts and 10 assists a night.Knicks would be championship contenders with Deron Williams. The guy is NASTY.
Deron is not efficient and turns the ball over a bit much.
LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...
NUPE wrote:LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...
"LOL at certain people"? Talk about being passive-aggressive!
In my case, I've been a critic of Deron's play for over a year.
NUPE wrote:LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...
Lol @
- certain people on this board determined to knock the kid down at every opportunity. what their motivation is i have no idea. the kid was the most fun thing we've had as knicks fans since how long. if he's not with the team anymore than why not wish him good luck and leave it at that vs. feeling the need to shit on him every chance.
- certain people on this board who KNOW what he will or won't become.
I don't know if he'll be able to play at an NBA starter's level over 82 games. I hope he does though. If he fails it might feel food for certain people to say "see i told you he sucks!"
Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:NUPE wrote:LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...
Lol @
- certain people on this board determined to knock the kid down at every opportunity. what their motivation is i have no idea. the kid was the most fun thing we've had as knicks fans since how long. if he's not with the team anymore than why not wish him good luck and leave it at that vs. feeling the need to shit on him every chance.
- certain people on this board who KNOW what he will or won't become.
I don't know if he'll be able to play at an NBA starter's level over 82 games. I hope he does though. If he fails it might feel food for certain people to say "see i told you he sucks!"
Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.
Look like my comment hit home with you. A bit defensive are you?!?!
Bonn1997 wrote:NUPE wrote:LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...
"LOL at certain people"? Talk about being passive-aggressive!
In my case, I've been a critic of Deron's play for over a year.
This is true.
To me, it also shows how hard it is to be efficient on a bad team especially if you are pretty much the only option.
NUPE wrote:GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:NUPE wrote:LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...
Lol @
- certain people on this board determined to knock the kid down at every opportunity. what their motivation is i have no idea. the kid was the most fun thing we've had as knicks fans since how long. if he's not with the team anymore than why not wish him good luck and leave it at that vs. feeling the need to shit on him every chance.
- certain people on this board who KNOW what he will or won't become.
I don't know if he'll be able to play at an NBA starter's level over 82 games. I hope he does though. If he fails it might feel food for certain people to say "see i told you he sucks!"
Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.
Look like my comment hit home with you. A bit defensive are you?!?!
I haven't actually posted anything on this board trying to slam Deron Williams. You didn't really address any of the questions I had.
1. Why do you feel the need to act like you know what this kid is going to become? Other than a handful of people on this board (like Briggs) no one saw this kid coming. Do you have some type of statistical model projecting him to be a bust? Do you have a history of making accurate calls on 1st or 2nd year players and projecting what they'll become consistently?
If not, then I am confused as to where all the certainty about what Lin will become is coming from. The same applies to those who are certain he'll be the next Chris Paul or whatever.
2. Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you (NUPE) be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.
This is not a rhetorical question NUPE. I am genuinely confused about your attitude towards the kid. If your only response is something like 'a bit defensive are you!?!?!', well I guess that pretty much kills the conversation. But I am curious as to what your point of view is. Enlighten me.
It make about as much sense to me as people who believe in Lin actively rooting for Felton to fall flat on his face this season.
For the record I think Felton is on a mission and will have a bounce back season.
