Knicks · Who Do Debbie Downer and Negative Nancy Start At The Four Spot? (page 1)

Season Opener

Kurt Thomas has been there, done that - got the t-shirt. Why burn him out early?

Marcus Camby is unavailable, besides he is needed to get Tyson Chandler's back.

Carmelo can play the four. Nah, he was moved around enough to start the season last year. Leave him alone.

Chris Copeland gets the start

Melo with Novak at the 3.

NYKBocker wrote:Melo with Novak at the 3.

Ew. What is this love with Novak starting at the 3?

Tyson, Melo, Brewer, White, Felton.

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Melo with Novak at the 3.

Ew. What is this love with Novak starting at the 3?

Tyson, Melo, Brewer, White, Felton.

at that lineups offensive output.

Its going to be a long season.

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Melo with Novak at the 3.

Ew. What is this love with Novak starting at the 3?

Tyson, Melo, Brewer, White, Felton.

He stretches the floor. He gives Melo space to operate. Also, if Camby is ready, I would go Twin Towers and go the other route.

I think Kurt starts at the 4 with cope in the rotation. The Knicks will need cope's offense on the second unit. Kidd looked slow and tired all preseason. Not sure if he has much left.

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Melo with Novak at the 3.

Ew. What is this love with Novak starting at the 3?

Tyson, Melo, Brewer, White, Felton.

at that lineups offensive output.

Its going to be a long season.

Maybe instead of White you put in JR. Defense is gonna be calling card of Knicks, not offense.

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Melo with Novak at the 3.

Ew. What is this love with Novak starting at the 3?

Tyson, Melo, Brewer, White, Felton.

at that lineups offensive output.

Its going to be a long season.

Maybe instead of White you put in JR. Defense is gonna be calling card of Knicks, not offense.

Maybe. But the Knicks are going to need some offense on that second unit.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Melo with Novak at the 3.

Ew. What is this love with Novak starting at the 3?

Tyson, Melo, Brewer, White, Felton.

at that lineups offensive output.

Its going to be a long season.

Maybe instead of White you put in JR. Defense is gonna be calling card of Knicks, not offense.

Maybe. But the Knicks are going to need some offense on that second unit.

you roll with what you got. Second unit: Camby, Copeland, Novak, Prig, Kidd (WeedWallace, Thomas).

I'm disappointed no one has posted any pictures of what they think Debbie Downer and Negative Nancy look like...

If we need to get crazy on the Nets and Heat, just to shake it up

Tyson, Cope, Carmelo, JR Smith, Pablo Prigioni.

Signing these old PFs and Cs is really going to hurt this team. If they are healthy then great additions but with Amare out for awhile, this is really going to stink. Rasheed and Camby better find the fountain of youth.

smackeddog wrote:I'm disappointed no one has posted any pictures of what they think Debbie Downer and Negative Nancy look like...

NYKBocker wrote:Signing these old PFs and Cs is really going to hurt this team. If they are healthy then great additions but with Amare out for awhile, this is really going to stink. Rasheed and Camby better find the fountain of youth.

Kurts on a 1 yr deal, Sheed is on a non guaranteed contract. The only guy they sought out was Camby and the third year of his deal the Knicks can get out of. I think Sheed, Camby and Thomas help a lot more then Shurna or Sims would have.

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Signing these old PFs and Cs is really going to hurt this team. If they are healthy then great additions but with Amare out for awhile, this is really going to stink. Rasheed and Camby better find the fountain of youth.

Kurts on a 1 yr deal, Sheed is on a non guaranteed contract. The only guy they sought out was Camby and the third year of his deal the Knicks can get out of. I think Sheed, Camby and Thomas help a lot more then Shurna or Sims would have.

Not talking about future. Talking about now. Doesn't matter if KT is in 1 year deal or Sheed on a non-guaranteed contract. They are what we have now. The smarter play would have been to get 1 or maybe 2 veterans. We needed 1 more young C/PF prospect. Jorts would really look good right now. Even Jerome Jordan would look good right now.

NYKBocker wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Signing these old PFs and Cs is really going to hurt this team. If they are healthy then great additions but with Amare out for awhile, this is really going to stink. Rasheed and Camby better find the fountain of youth.

Kurts on a 1 yr deal, Sheed is on a non guaranteed contract. The only guy they sought out was Camby and the third year of his deal the Knicks can get out of. I think Sheed, Camby and Thomas help a lot more then Shurna or Sims would have.

Not talking about future. Talking about now. Doesn't matter if KT is in 1 year deal or Sheed on a non-guaranteed contract. They are what we have now. The smarter play would have been to get 1 or maybe 2 veterans. We needed 1 more young C/PF prospect. Jorts would really look good right now. Even Jerome Jordan would look good right now.

I think one or both Jorts and Jordan would have been resigned when they were waived if the new cba allowed it to happen.

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Signing these old PFs and Cs is really going to hurt this team. If they are healthy then great additions but with Amare out for awhile, this is really going to stink. Rasheed and Camby better find the fountain of youth.

Kurts on a 1 yr deal, Sheed is on a non guaranteed contract. The only guy they sought out was Camby and the third year of his deal the Knicks can get out of. I think Sheed, Camby and Thomas help a lot more then Shurna or Sims would have.

Not talking about future. Talking about now. Doesn't matter if KT is in 1 year deal or Sheed on a non-guaranteed contract. They are what we have now. The smarter play would have been to get 1 or maybe 2 veterans. We needed 1 more young C/PF prospect. Jorts would really look good right now. Even Jerome Jordan would look good right now.

I think one or both Jorts and Jordan would have been resigned when they were waived if the new cba allowed it to happen.

That is the thing, that is poor management. Letting Dolan dictate what you do as a team really messes up everything.

Debbie Downer is winning:

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Tuesday, October 30, 2012
Doctor: More going on in Stoudemire's knee

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By Jared Zwerling

When news broke Monday night that Amar'e Stoudemire would be out another six to eight weeks, it sparked a lot of speculation as to the root of his left knee problem.

But one renowned orthopedist strongly believes that Stoudemire's recovery from the ruptured popliteal cyst isn't the only thing he's facing.

"Something else is going on in his knee besides the Baker's cyst," said Stephen E. Blythe, a Miami surgeon who's been practicing for more than 40 years and has experience treating pro athletes. "It's unusual to rest someone that long. I'd be looking at really what's wrong with the inside of his knee that causes a Baker's cyst, and how is that going to affect things?"

The doctor said that because Stoudemire is a patient of microfracture surgery in 2005, he already has some damaged bone in his knee. Therefore, some degenerative changes could have been giving him trouble lately, resulting in the popliteal cyst. While the doctor said that many regular people have asymptomatic Baker's cysts, Stoudemire's was likely larger and more symptomatic.

But even if it ruptured, and may have required a surgical procedure to clean up the inside of his knee, it wouldn't take up to eight weeks for Stoudemire to return.

"The cyst doesn't add any stability or instability to the knee at all," Blythe said. "It just bulges out in the back of your knee, and most of the time, it's symptomatic when it gets large enough that it causes mechanical symptoms in the back of the knee. But when it ruptures, the inflammation, bleeding and so forth usually go away fairly quickly."

The doctor said there is likely more knowledge on Stoudemire's knee that is yet to be released.

"There's information there that you don't know about," he said. "It sounds to me like (the Knicks) are just giving some information, but not full information about what's going in the knee. The only way you'll know if there's more to it than what they say is if the team or the surgeons are willing to give that info to you."

What we do know, however, is that Stoudemire's left knee will never be 100 percent again. In fact, another orthopedist surgeon who currently works for a championship-contending team said, "Stoudemire's knees, at this point in his career, are like a 70-year-old's." (His right knee has also been operated on.)

Knicks fans may have to deal with the reality that STAT's minutes could be curtailed, but he can still be effective in the time he plays. Perhaps that's more with the second unit?

Man all of the stuff in that article is conjecture. Unless you have access to the MRI and did the exam then it's just a guess. No doubt STAT's knees aren't great but we already knew that! Doesn't mean he's done. This team isn't totally reliant on STAT at this point. We need him more towards the end. Right now this team can get by without him. Cutting his playing time down is the right move.

Ha- Heat doctors exaggerating there with the 70yr old knees comment- they've never seen Amar'es MRIs or x rays so why even bother asking them for an opinion. Wish the Knicks would hurry up and tell us what's happening, surely the rabid speculation is worse than being up front about it.