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3G4G wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!Houston looks good.
Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS - HE SUx!
Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!
He's been quietly nasty all month(efficiency wise)....2mos ago I referred to the Rockets as the MOST PROLIFIC OFFENSIVE TEAM IN BASKETBALL....and they are.
Too bad they're more like the D'AnToni Suns and don't play enough D and turn the ball over too much. This will be their achilles to growing and improving as a team.
as you know I jumped on that bandwagon along with denver a while ago... I have been a fan of morey for a while as you also know.. He has put together a fine team in a short time.. I do agree defense will need to get better, and I am sure they will address that.. but right now, scoring is how they will win and they are damn good at it.... LOL
NYKBocker wrote:AnubisADL wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Parsons > Gallo and he is only in his 2nd yearUh oh. Why you had to go and say that?
I like Parsons a lot but I am not sure if I am ready to say he is better than Gallo, but that might just be because Gallo was a Knick.
ah that is no biggie, it is his opinion.. and it is not so far fetched although I don't agree.... i watch both guys play all the time, and even head to head.. gallo is a better player than parsons IMO. at this point, although i would take parsons on my team in a heartbeat... both are good young players and they bring to the table at the SF position things that this current knick team can use...
tkf wrote:3G4G wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!Houston looks good.
Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS - HE SUx!
Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!
He's been quietly nasty all month(efficiency wise)....2mos ago I referred to the Rockets as the MOST PROLIFIC OFFENSIVE TEAM IN BASKETBALL....and they are.
Too bad they're more like the D'AnToni Suns and don't play enough D and turn the ball over too much. This will be their achilles to growing and improving as a team.
as you know I jumped on that bandwagon along with denver a while ago... I have been a fan of morey for a while as you also know.. He has put together a fine team in a short time.. I do agree defense will need to get better, and I am sure they will address that.. but right now, scoring is how they will win and they are damn good at it.... LOL
When Houston freezes up in the playoffs because of the lack of experience, you guys come up with a recipe of excuses. LOL
mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!It looks like Lin had a bounce back game. The last 4 prior to this he has averaged under 9 pts a game and the Rockets had gone 2-2.Houston looks good.
Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers in 24 minutes!! - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS?? - HE SUx!
Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!
CrushAlot wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!It looks like Lin had a bounce back game. The last 4 prior to this he has averaged under 9 pts a game and the Rockets had gone 2-2.Houston looks good.
Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers in 24 minutes!! - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS?? - HE SUx!
Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!
He's virtually a rookie. Felton is 30
gunsnewing wrote:Felton is 28 and Lin is 24. My point was that there hasn't been a lot of Lin posts recently. I brought it up after they beat the Magic the other night.CrushAlot wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!It looks like Lin had a bounce back game. The last 4 prior to this he has averaged under 9 pts a game and the Rockets had gone 2-2.Houston looks good.
Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers in 24 minutes!! - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS?? - HE SUx!
Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!
He's virtually a rookie. Felton is 30
CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Felton is 28 and Lin is 24. My point was that there hasn't been a lot of Lin posts recently. I brought it up after they beat the Magic the other night.CrushAlot wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!It looks like Lin had a bounce back game. The last 4 prior to this he has averaged under 9 pts a game and the Rockets had gone 2-2.Houston looks good.
Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers in 24 minutes!! - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS?? - HE SUx!
Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!
He's virtually a rookie. Felton is 30
I am not gaga over lin (yet)
but I do know that he is far better than Felton in every way
mrKnickShot wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Felton is 28 and Lin is 24. My point was that there hasn't been a lot of Lin posts recently. I brought it up after they beat the Magic the other night.CrushAlot wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!It looks like Lin had a bounce back game. The last 4 prior to this he has averaged under 9 pts a game and the Rockets had gone 2-2.Houston looks good.
Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers in 24 minutes!! - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS?? - HE SUx!
Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!
He's virtually a rookie. Felton is 30
I am not gaga over lin (yet)
but I do know that he is far better than Felton in every way
Exactly. Right now, Lin is just an average NBA PG but that is far better than Felton.
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Felton is 28 and Lin is 24. My point was that there hasn't been a lot of Lin posts recently. I brought it up after they beat the Magic the other night.CrushAlot wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!It looks like Lin had a bounce back game. The last 4 prior to this he has averaged under 9 pts a game and the Rockets had gone 2-2.Houston looks good.
Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers in 24 minutes!! - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS?? - HE SUx!
Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!
He's virtually a rookie. Felton is 30
I am not gaga over lin (yet)
but I do know that he is far better than Felton in every way
Exactly. Right now, Lin is just an average NBA PG but that is far better than Felton.
Far better than Felton? Wrong as wrong could possibly be.
Ray: 34.0 minutes per game, 14.7 points per game (.404%), 5.9 assists, 1.3 steals and 2.3 turnovers per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 14.9.
Lin: 32.5 minutes per game, 12.8 points per game (.436%), 6.2 assists, 1.9 steals and 2.9 turnovers per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 14.9.
A "far better" PG when compared to Felton? Not even close in regards to basketball production and/or ability, especially once you consider the fact that Lin's due $25,123,938 when compared to Felton who's only due $12,540,000 over the next three years.
Lin's due more than double Felton's contract, but yet, Lin's numbers/production nowhere nears the amount of his contract. In short, we'll be able to improve our team that much more under Felton when compared to Jeremy Lin moving forward.
Also, there is no guarantee that Lin will continue to improve, because as NBA teams adjust to Lin struggling going to the left? They could end up shutting Lin down as his career goes on. Youth doesn't always amount to potential. If Lin ever plays a postseason games, how will he perform under postseason pressure? Something tells me he'll crack under pressure.
playa2 wrote:tkf wrote:3G4G wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!Houston looks good.
Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS - HE SUx!
Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!
He's been quietly nasty all month(efficiency wise)....2mos ago I referred to the Rockets as the MOST PROLIFIC OFFENSIVE TEAM IN BASKETBALL....and they are.
Too bad they're more like the D'AnToni Suns and don't play enough D and turn the ball over too much. This will be their achilles to growing and improving as a team.
as you know I jumped on that bandwagon along with denver a while ago... I have been a fan of morey for a while as you also know.. He has put together a fine team in a short time.. I do agree defense will need to get better, and I am sure they will address that.. but right now, scoring is how they will win and they are damn good at it.... LOL
When Houston freezes up in the playoffs because of the lack of experience, you guys come up with a recipe of excuses. LOL
????? really
tkf wrote:playa2 wrote:tkf wrote:3G4G wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!Houston looks good.
Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS - HE SUx!
Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!
He's been quietly nasty all month(efficiency wise)....2mos ago I referred to the Rockets as the MOST PROLIFIC OFFENSIVE TEAM IN BASKETBALL....and they are.
Too bad they're more like the D'AnToni Suns and don't play enough D and turn the ball over too much. This will be their achilles to growing and improving as a team.
as you know I jumped on that bandwagon along with denver a while ago... I have been a fan of morey for a while as you also know.. He has put together a fine team in a short time.. I do agree defense will need to get better, and I am sure they will address that.. but right now, scoring is how they will win and they are damn good at it.... LOL
When Houston freezes up in the playoffs because of the lack of experience, you guys come up with a recipe of excuses. LOL
????? really
I don't get this post aren't we already admitting they have 2 glaring weaknesses before the playoffs?
NYKMentality wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Felton is 28 and Lin is 24. My point was that there hasn't been a lot of Lin posts recently. I brought it up after they beat the Magic the other night.CrushAlot wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!It looks like Lin had a bounce back game. The last 4 prior to this he has averaged under 9 pts a game and the Rockets had gone 2-2.Houston looks good.
Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers in 24 minutes!! - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS?? - HE SUx!
Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!
He's virtually a rookie. Felton is 30
I am not gaga over lin (yet)
but I do know that he is far better than Felton in every way
Exactly. Right now, Lin is just an average NBA PG but that is far better than Felton.Far better than Felton? Wrong as wrong could possibly be.
Ray: 34.0 minutes per game, 14.7 points per game (.404%), 5.9 assists, 1.3 steals and 2.3 turnovers per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 14.9.
Lin: 32.5 minutes per game, 12.8 points per game (.436%), 6.2 assists, 1.9 steals and 2.9 turnovers per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 14.9.
A "far better" PG when compared to Felton? Not even close in regards to basketball production and/or ability, especially once you consider the fact that Lin's due $25,123,938 when compared to Felton who's only due $12,540,000 over the next three years.
Lin's due more than double Felton's contract, but yet, Lin's numbers/production nowhere nears the amount of his contract. In short, we'll be able to improve our team that much more under Felton when compared to Jeremy Lin moving forward.
Also, there is no guarantee that Lin will continue to improve, because as NBA teams adjust to Lin struggling going to the left? They could end up shutting Lin down as his career goes on. Youth doesn't always amount to potential. If Lin ever plays a postseason games, how will he perform under postseason pressure? Something tells me he'll crack under pressure.
Try looking at some well validated stats rather than that PER junk.
Bonn1997 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Felton is 28 and Lin is 24. My point was that there hasn't been a lot of Lin posts recently. I brought it up after they beat the Magic the other night.CrushAlot wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!It looks like Lin had a bounce back game. The last 4 prior to this he has averaged under 9 pts a game and the Rockets had gone 2-2.Houston looks good.
Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers in 24 minutes!! - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS?? - HE SUx!
Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!
He's virtually a rookie. Felton is 30
I am not gaga over lin (yet)
but I do know that he is far better than Felton in every way
Exactly. Right now, Lin is just an average NBA PG but that is far better than Felton.Far better than Felton? Wrong as wrong could possibly be.
Ray: 34.0 minutes per game, 14.7 points per game (.404%), 5.9 assists, 1.3 steals and 2.3 turnovers per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 14.9.
Lin: 32.5 minutes per game, 12.8 points per game (.436%), 6.2 assists, 1.9 steals and 2.9 turnovers per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 14.9.
A "far better" PG when compared to Felton? Not even close in regards to basketball production and/or ability, especially once you consider the fact that Lin's due $25,123,938 when compared to Felton who's only due $12,540,000 over the next three years.
Lin's due more than double Felton's contract, but yet, Lin's numbers/production nowhere nears the amount of his contract. In short, we'll be able to improve our team that much more under Felton when compared to Jeremy Lin moving forward.
Also, there is no guarantee that Lin will continue to improve, because as NBA teams adjust to Lin struggling going to the left? They could end up shutting Lin down as his career goes on. Youth doesn't always amount to potential. If Lin ever plays a postseason games, how will he perform under postseason pressure? Something tells me he'll crack under pressure.
Try looking at some well validated stats rather than that PER junk.
Sorry for pointing out what these two guys do DURING ACTUAL GAMES. I'm sorry. lol.
3G4G wrote:tkf wrote:playa2 wrote:tkf wrote:3G4G wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!Houston looks good.
Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS - HE SUx!
Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!
He's been quietly nasty all month(efficiency wise)....2mos ago I referred to the Rockets as the MOST PROLIFIC OFFENSIVE TEAM IN BASKETBALL....and they are.
Too bad they're more like the D'AnToni Suns and don't play enough D and turn the ball over too much. This will be their achilles to growing and improving as a team.
as you know I jumped on that bandwagon along with denver a while ago... I have been a fan of morey for a while as you also know.. He has put together a fine team in a short time.. I do agree defense will need to get better, and I am sure they will address that.. but right now, scoring is how they will win and they are damn good at it.... LOL
When Houston freezes up in the playoffs because of the lack of experience, you guys come up with a recipe of excuses. LOL
????? really
I don't get this post aren't we already admitting they have 2 glaring weaknesses before the playoffs?
exactly
NYKMentality wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Felton is 28 and Lin is 24. My point was that there hasn't been a lot of Lin posts recently. I brought it up after they beat the Magic the other night.CrushAlot wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!It looks like Lin had a bounce back game. The last 4 prior to this he has averaged under 9 pts a game and the Rockets had gone 2-2.Houston looks good.
Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers in 24 minutes!! - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS?? - HE SUx!
Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!
He's virtually a rookie. Felton is 30
I am not gaga over lin (yet)
but I do know that he is far better than Felton in every way
Exactly. Right now, Lin is just an average NBA PG but that is far better than Felton.Far better than Felton? Wrong as wrong could possibly be.
Ray: 34.0 minutes per game, 14.7 points per game (.404%), 5.9 assists, 1.3 steals and 2.3 turnovers per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 14.9.
Lin: 32.5 minutes per game, 12.8 points per game (.436%), 6.2 assists, 1.9 steals and 2.9 turnovers per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 14.9.
A "far better" PG when compared to Felton? Not even close in regards to basketball production and/or ability, especially once you consider the fact that Lin's due $25,123,938 when compared to Felton who's only due $12,540,000 over the next three years.
Lin's due more than double Felton's contract, but yet, Lin's numbers/production nowhere nears the amount of his contract. In short, we'll be able to improve our team that much more under Felton when compared to Jeremy Lin moving forward.
Also, there is no guarantee that Lin will continue to improve, because as NBA teams adjust to Lin struggling going to the left? They could end up shutting Lin down as his career goes on. Youth doesn't always amount to potential. If Lin ever plays a postseason games, how will he perform under postseason pressure? Something tells me he'll crack under pressure.
Try looking at some well validated stats rather than that PER junk.Sorry for pointing out what these two guys do DURING ACTUAL GAMES. I'm sorry. lol.
You're looking at what is happening in games. I'll give you that. The problem is you're looking at bad information. You should read up on the John Hollinger (PER) vs. David Berri (Wins Produced) debate to see why PER is a pretty bad stat.
I'll get you started:
Question: why is his (PER) system inferior in your opinion to your own?Answer: I will try and be diplomatic.
When I started looking doing economic research with NBA statistics I needed a measure of player performance that connected what a player did on the court to team wins. Although measures like PER — and NBA Efficiency — are popular, these measures are not highly correlated with team wins (as I have shown in published research).
So, I set out build a model connecting a player’s box score statistics to team wins. The result of this effort is Wins Produced, a measure that translates all the numbers we see in the box score into each player’s production of wins.
The big difference between Wins Produced and PER is that the former is based on a model connecting each factor in the box score to team wins. In other words, the value of factors like offensive rebounds, steals, or turnovers is based on a statistical model connecting each of these variables to how many wins we observe.
When Hollinger describes how PER was constructed he doesn’t really argue that the weights he assigned reflects how that particular factor impacts outcomes (and he certainly doesn’t provide evidence that his weights reflect actual outcomes). What he does is choose weights that seem to make sense to him. And what seems to make sense to him leads to a measure that confirms what people tend to think about NBA players.
As a result, we see two clear problems with PER.
• A player who shoots better than 30% from two point range (and even less from three point range) can increase his PER by simply taking more shots. So PER rewards inefficient shooting.
• Consequently – because inefficient shooting does not translate into wins — measures like PER do a very poor job of explaining team wins.As a result, it doesn’t appear that PER is a very good measure of a player’s actual contribution to outcomes.
PER is highly correlated with Game Score (Hollinger’s simple box score metric) and NBA Efficiency. Each of these measures overvalues inefficient scoring and does a poor job of explaining wins. But all three do a very good job of explaining a free agent’s salary (something also noted in published research).
This indicates that PER is a statistical measure that captures perceptions of value in the NBA. For example, PER tells us that players like Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony are really very good. And therefore both should get paid large sums of money (and Hollinger once thought that these two combined on the Nuggets would lead to a title contender).
http://www.3sob.com/december-2012/david-...
PER rewards inefficient shooting and Felton does a lot of that. So it shouldn't be a surprise that his PER is inflated.
mrKnickShot wrote:I would not want to face Houston in the playoffs
I wouldn't want to face San Antonio...
Uptown wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:I would not want to face Houston in the playoffsI wouldn't want to face San Antonio...
lmao. Great response Uptown. Still laughing over that one.
I wouldn't only wanna be only 2.5 games away from the 9th seed either...
Uptown wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:I would not want to face Houston in the playoffsI wouldn't want to face San Antonio...
I wouldn't want to face either team..... we blew out the Heat and beat Spurs twice, the Rocks blew us out but have yet to beat the Spurs or Heat
.....Spurs are more proven