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CrushAlot wrote:The Nuggets had something last year. Not sure what they are trying to do now. They really miss Iggy, Koufos, Gallo and Karl. Also, they need to run. At least take advantage of your point guard and geographic location. They need some guys to play d.
They were 12-9 after starting 3-6! They just lost 3 in a row.
They are moving forward from last to develop mcgee (injured) and give Mozgov minutes.
That natural topographic advantage is a good thing but it runs them out of the playoffs usually in the first round?
Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:The Nuggets had something last year. Not sure what they are trying to do now. They really miss Iggy, Koufos, Gallo and Karl. Also, they need to run. At least take advantage of your point guard and geographic location. They need some guys to play d.They were 12-9 after starting 3-6! They just lost 3 in a row.
They are moving forward from last to develop mcgee (injured) and give Mozgov minutes.
That natural topographic advantage is a good thing but it runs them out of the playoffs usually in the first round?
I think one of the reasons they're doing better is because McGee isn't playing- he seems to excel in doing stuff that helps the opposing team.
CrushAlot wrote:The Nuggets had something last year. Not sure what they are trying to do now. They really miss Iggy, Koufos, Gallo and Karl. Also, they need to run. At least take advantage of your point guard and geographic location. They need some guys to play d.
they are not in win now mode.. they miss Karl but shaw is a good coach and certain players are developing nicely under him so far... the nuggets are not in some rush win now mode.. they don't have gallo back, nor do they have mcgee.. they have picks to trade and are looking at this long term as they are not quite ready to compete with the likes of the thunder or spurs... the goal, get healthy, make a trade or two, continue to develop under shaw...
so far they are on course...
smackeddog wrote:I agree. I also think they messed up trying to prove McGee wasn't a bad signing. They could really use Koufos and shouldn't have traded him. They are really small when McGee is out.Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:The Nuggets had something last year. Not sure what they are trying to do now. They really miss Iggy, Koufos, Gallo and Karl. Also, they need to run. At least take advantage of your point guard and geographic location. They need some guys to play d.They were 12-9 after starting 3-6! They just lost 3 in a row.
They are moving forward from last to develop mcgee (injured) and give Mozgov minutes.
That natural topographic advantage is a good thing but it runs them out of the playoffs usually in the first round?
I think one of the reasons they're doing better is because McGee isn't playing- he seems to excel in doing stuff that helps the opposing team.
CrushAlot wrote:smackeddog wrote:I agree. I also think they messed up trying to prove McGee wasn't a bad signing. They could really use Koufos and shouldn't have traded him. They are really small when McGee is out.Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:The Nuggets had something last year. Not sure what they are trying to do now. They really miss Iggy, Koufos, Gallo and Karl. Also, they need to run. At least take advantage of your point guard and geographic location. They need some guys to play d.They were 12-9 after starting 3-6! They just lost 3 in a row.
They are moving forward from last to develop mcgee (injured) and give Mozgov minutes.
That natural topographic advantage is a good thing but it runs them out of the playoffs usually in the first round?
I think one of the reasons they're doing better is because McGee isn't playing- he seems to excel in doing stuff that helps the opposing team.
JEEZ MAN, You really trying hard to justify the carmelo trade by knocking denver down.. LOL. Koufos being there or not has nothing to do with the nuggets success or lack thereof.... I mean really? they messed up? let mcgee play first before determining that.. let gallo be healthy before determining they messed up... smh
tkf wrote:Why would moves they made three years later have anything to do with the Melo trade. Koufos, Iggy and McGee were not a part of that deal. McGee has played and he didn't look good. Are you disputing that he has played poorly or that management/ownership wants to make that signing work despite his poor play?CrushAlot wrote:smackeddog wrote:I agree. I also think they messed up trying to prove McGee wasn't a bad signing. They could really use Koufos and shouldn't have traded him. They are really small when McGee is out.Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:The Nuggets had something last year. Not sure what they are trying to do now. They really miss Iggy, Koufos, Gallo and Karl. Also, they need to run. At least take advantage of your point guard and geographic location. They need some guys to play d.They were 12-9 after starting 3-6! They just lost 3 in a row.
They are moving forward from last to develop mcgee (injured) and give Mozgov minutes.
That natural topographic advantage is a good thing but it runs them out of the playoffs usually in the first round?
I think one of the reasons they're doing better is because McGee isn't playing- he seems to excel in doing stuff that helps the opposing team.
JEEZ MAN, You really trying hard to justify the carmelo trade by knocking denver down.. LOL. Koufos being there or not has nothing to do with the nuggets success or lack thereof.... I mean really? they messed up? let mcgee play first before determining that.. let gallo be healthy before determining they messed up... smh
CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:Why would moves they made three years later have anything to do with the Melo trade. Koufos, Iggy and McGee were not a part of that deal. McGee has played and he didn't look good. Are you disputing that he has played poorly or that management/ownership wants to make that signing work despite his poor play?CrushAlot wrote:smackeddog wrote:I agree. I also think they messed up trying to prove McGee wasn't a bad signing. They could really use Koufos and shouldn't have traded him. They are really small when McGee is out.Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:The Nuggets had something last year. Not sure what they are trying to do now. They really miss Iggy, Koufos, Gallo and Karl. Also, they need to run. At least take advantage of your point guard and geographic location. They need some guys to play d.They were 12-9 after starting 3-6! They just lost 3 in a row.
They are moving forward from last to develop mcgee (injured) and give Mozgov minutes.
That natural topographic advantage is a good thing but it runs them out of the playoffs usually in the first round?
I think one of the reasons they're doing better is because McGee isn't playing- he seems to excel in doing stuff that helps the opposing team.
JEEZ MAN, You really trying hard to justify the carmelo trade by knocking denver down.. LOL. Koufos being there or not has nothing to do with the nuggets success or lack thereof.... I mean really? they messed up? let mcgee play first before determining that.. let gallo be healthy before determining they messed up... smh
ITS LIKE YOu are reaching to find fault with the nuggets, which is why I say that.. they got rid of koufos and were able to bring in guys like hickson, they extended mozgov who IMO is playing much better than koufos..
I mean what kind of questions is that, of course any team that makes a deal want it to work.. I mean NO, they want it to fail.. LOL.. Mcgee can be a bit goofy at times, but to say his play has been poor. I mean what are you judging that off? I watched pretty much all of denver games last year and he was pretty solid.. this year he has been hurt.. I don't see your point here..
tkf wrote:I think the Nuggets made several big mistakes last offseason. I think a big part of that had to do with moving a guy that would play ahead of McGee and trying to make the McGee signing not look bad. I think they lack some of the good defensive players that helped make that team do so well last year including Iggy. I also think they miss Karl. Karl wasn't going to be forced to play a guy that made a lot of mistakes just because ownership committed a lot of money to him. My goal isn't to make the Nuggets look bad but they did look bad and they looked like they needed quality size and quality defenders.CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:Why would moves they made three years later have anything to do with the Melo trade. Koufos, Iggy and McGee were not a part of that deal. McGee has played and he didn't look good. Are you disputing that he has played poorly or that management/ownership wants to make that signing work despite his poor play?CrushAlot wrote:smackeddog wrote:I agree. I also think they messed up trying to prove McGee wasn't a bad signing. They could really use Koufos and shouldn't have traded him. They are really small when McGee is out.Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:The Nuggets had something last year. Not sure what they are trying to do now. They really miss Iggy, Koufos, Gallo and Karl. Also, they need to run. At least take advantage of your point guard and geographic location. They need some guys to play d.They were 12-9 after starting 3-6! They just lost 3 in a row.
They are moving forward from last to develop mcgee (injured) and give Mozgov minutes.
That natural topographic advantage is a good thing but it runs them out of the playoffs usually in the first round?
I think one of the reasons they're doing better is because McGee isn't playing- he seems to excel in doing stuff that helps the opposing team.
JEEZ MAN, You really trying hard to justify the carmelo trade by knocking denver down.. LOL. Koufos being there or not has nothing to do with the nuggets success or lack thereof.... I mean really? they messed up? let mcgee play first before determining that.. let gallo be healthy before determining they messed up... smh
ITS LIKE YOu are reaching to find fault with the nuggets, which is why I say that.. they got rid of koufos and were able to bring in guys like hickson, they extended mozgov who IMO is playing much better than koufos..
I mean what kind of questions is that, of course any team that makes a deal want it to work.. I mean NO, they want it to fail.. LOL.. Mcgee can be a bit goofy at times, but to say his play has been poor. I mean what are you judging that off? I watched pretty much all of denver games last year and he was pretty solid.. this year he has been hurt.. I don't see your point here..
CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:I think the Nuggets made several big mistakes last offseason. I think a big part of that had to do with moving a guy that would play ahead of McGee and trying to make the McGee signing not look bad. I think they lack some of the good defensive players that helped make that team do so well last year including Iggy. I also think they miss Karl. Karl wasn't going to be forced to play a guy that made a lot of mistakes just because ownership committed a lot of money to him. My goal isn't to make the Nuggets look bad but they did look bad and they looked like they needed quality size and quality defenders.CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:Why would moves they made three years later have anything to do with the Melo trade. Koufos, Iggy and McGee were not a part of that deal. McGee has played and he didn't look good. Are you disputing that he has played poorly or that management/ownership wants to make that signing work despite his poor play?CrushAlot wrote:smackeddog wrote:I agree. I also think they messed up trying to prove McGee wasn't a bad signing. They could really use Koufos and shouldn't have traded him. They are really small when McGee is out.Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:The Nuggets had something last year. Not sure what they are trying to do now. They really miss Iggy, Koufos, Gallo and Karl. Also, they need to run. At least take advantage of your point guard and geographic location. They need some guys to play d.They were 12-9 after starting 3-6! They just lost 3 in a row.
They are moving forward from last to develop mcgee (injured) and give Mozgov minutes.
That natural topographic advantage is a good thing but it runs them out of the playoffs usually in the first round?
I think one of the reasons they're doing better is because McGee isn't playing- he seems to excel in doing stuff that helps the opposing team.
JEEZ MAN, You really trying hard to justify the carmelo trade by knocking denver down.. LOL. Koufos being there or not has nothing to do with the nuggets success or lack thereof.... I mean really? they messed up? let mcgee play first before determining that.. let gallo be healthy before determining they messed up... smh
ITS LIKE YOu are reaching to find fault with the nuggets, which is why I say that.. they got rid of koufos and were able to bring in guys like hickson, they extended mozgov who IMO is playing much better than koufos..
I mean what kind of questions is that, of course any team that makes a deal want it to work.. I mean NO, they want it to fail.. LOL.. Mcgee can be a bit goofy at times, but to say his play has been poor. I mean what are you judging that off? I watched pretty much all of denver games last year and he was pretty solid.. this year he has been hurt.. I don't see your point here..
bad decisions? rofl.. come on man koufos is not making or breaking the nuggets... but whats funny when they had koufos last year and they won 57 ames why were you not big upping him last year? Denver is without arguable their best all around player, and they have also had injuries to deal with.. with that said..
last year after 18 games denver was 9-9, they are 14-12 after 26 games this year, stop acting like they are 10 games behind last years pace... big misates was hickson a big mistake? foye? I mean they added nate for depth at guard, something they didn't have last year.... you are making the subtraction of koufos as if they cut dwight to add jerome jordan.... come on man....
tkf wrote:Karl and Koufos were subtracted because they were in the way of McGee. Karl played Koufos because he wanted to win. Is Koufos a world beater? Far from it but a coach given autonomy plays him ahead of a guy like McGee if the goal is winning. Not sure why you are rofl but if you are not aware that the Kroenkes and Karl disagreed on McGee's development and minutes then I can tell you that they did. Also, the Kroenkes are reactors not diplomats and that is why Karl is gone. Also, I didn't say signing Hickson was a mistake but I did say the Nuggets looked small against the Clippers starting Hickson. I do think trading Gobert for the 46th pick was a mistake but maybe the thought was Gobert pressures McGee for minutes.CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:I think the Nuggets made several big mistakes last offseason. I think a big part of that had to do with moving a guy that would play ahead of McGee and trying to make the McGee signing not look bad. I think they lack some of the good defensive players that helped make that team do so well last year including Iggy. I also think they miss Karl. Karl wasn't going to be forced to play a guy that made a lot of mistakes just because ownership committed a lot of money to him. My goal isn't to make the Nuggets look bad but they did look bad and they looked like they needed quality size and quality defenders.CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:Why would moves they made three years later have anything to do with the Melo trade. Koufos, Iggy and McGee were not a part of that deal. McGee has played and he didn't look good. Are you disputing that he has played poorly or that management/ownership wants to make that signing work despite his poor play?CrushAlot wrote:smackeddog wrote:I agree. I also think they messed up trying to prove McGee wasn't a bad signing. They could really use Koufos and shouldn't have traded him. They are really small when McGee is out.Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:The Nuggets had something last year. Not sure what they are trying to do now. They really miss Iggy, Koufos, Gallo and Karl. Also, they need to run. At least take advantage of your point guard and geographic location. They need some guys to play d.They were 12-9 after starting 3-6! They just lost 3 in a row.
They are moving forward from last to develop mcgee (injured) and give Mozgov minutes.
That natural topographic advantage is a good thing but it runs them out of the playoffs usually in the first round?
I think one of the reasons they're doing better is because McGee isn't playing- he seems to excel in doing stuff that helps the opposing team.
JEEZ MAN, You really trying hard to justify the carmelo trade by knocking denver down.. LOL. Koufos being there or not has nothing to do with the nuggets success or lack thereof.... I mean really? they messed up? let mcgee play first before determining that.. let gallo be healthy before determining they messed up... smh
ITS LIKE YOu are reaching to find fault with the nuggets, which is why I say that.. they got rid of koufos and were able to bring in guys like hickson, they extended mozgov who IMO is playing much better than koufos..
I mean what kind of questions is that, of course any team that makes a deal want it to work.. I mean NO, they want it to fail.. LOL.. Mcgee can be a bit goofy at times, but to say his play has been poor. I mean what are you judging that off? I watched pretty much all of denver games last year and he was pretty solid.. this year he has been hurt.. I don't see your point here..
bad decisions? rofl.. come on man koufos is not making or breaking the nuggets... but whats funny when they had koufos last year and they won 57 ames why were you not big upping him last year? Denver is without arguable their best all around player, and they have also had injuries to deal with.. with that said..
last year after 18 games denver was 9-9, they are 14-12 after 26 games this year, stop acting like they are 10 games behind last years pace... big misates was hickson a big mistake? foye? I mean they added nate for depth at guard, something they didn't have last year.... you are making the subtraction of koufos as if they cut dwight to add jerome jordan.... come on man....
yellowboy90 wrote:I must say Love is putting up some monster numbers. Very Good Player
I don't watch him enough to know, but it always seems Love puts up absolute monster numbers that seem to have little impact on the game. Why?! Is it just his supporting cast is bad, that his defense is that poor, or is he basically David Lee Mark II? Or would the TWolves have been even worse these past few years without his numbers bringing them closer?
Crush has a thing for Denver as their success dilutes "Coming Home".
TKF bath's in wonderful feelings of euphoria at Denvers success as it validates his MeloPhobic stance.
Objectively Denver is not close to being a finished product and willing to take steps back to improve longer term. Iggy from what I read wanted to play in Golden State as he has ambitions beyond basketball, are further along in their roster, and might have been paid more than what Denver was paying.
Knuggs have a rookie coach, a nice team that is in the playoff mix and as it stands our ping pong balls with some cap flex ongoing with picks, utes, and tradable parts.
If you bank your future on Koufos your limiting your ceiling. McGee is a disappointment thus far but the ceiling is still higher. Mozgov was a free agent and Karl had no patience to develop him, or MCgee for that matter. Karl got his COY and thought that would give him leverage for new deal.
Nalod wrote:McGee played 5 games this season.I really don't have a thing about Denver and I didn't like the Melo trade when it happened. I do defend Melo a lot because I find the extreme criticism of him over the top. Also, I didn't mean to imply that a team builds around Koufos. What I was saying is that Karl wanted to win and played Koufos over McGee because Koufos gave the Nuggets a better chance to win. That wasn't met as an endorsement of Koufos, more of an indictment on McGee. Ownership didn't like that Karl wouldn't 'develop' the guy they signed to a big contract. That and the Warriors series got Karl fired. Koufos was moved and McGee was given the starters job. At one point Shaw was supposed to be centering the offense around McGee.Crush has a thing for Denver as their success dilutes "Coming Home".
TKF bath's in wonderful feelings of euphoria at Denvers success as it validates his MeloPhobic stance.
Objectively Denver is not close to being a finished product and willing to take steps back to improve longer term. Iggy from what I read wanted to play in Golden State as he has ambitions beyond basketball, are further along in their roster, and might have been paid more than what Denver was paying.
Knuggs have a rookie coach, a nice team that is in the playoff mix and as it stands our ping pong balls with some cap flex ongoing with picks, utes, and tradable parts.
If you bank your future on Koufos your limiting your ceiling. McGee is a disappointment thus far but the ceiling is still higher. Mozgov was a free agent and Karl had no patience to develop him, or MCgee for that matter. Karl got his COY and thought that would give him leverage for new deal.
CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:McGee played 5 games this season.I really don't have a thing about Denver and I didn't like the Melo trade when it happened. I do defend Melo a lot because I find the extreme criticism of him over the top. Also, I didn't mean to imply that a team builds around Koufos. What I was saying is that Karl wanted to win and played Koufos over McGee because Koufos gave the Nuggets a better chance to win. That wasn't met as an endorsement of Koufos, more of an indictment on McGee. Ownership didn't like that Karl wouldn't 'develop' the guy they signed to a big contract. That and the Warriors series got Karl fired. Koufos was moved and McGee was given the starters job. At one point Shaw was supposed to be centering the offense around McGee.Crush has a thing for Denver as their success dilutes "Coming Home".
TKF bath's in wonderful feelings of euphoria at Denvers success as it validates his MeloPhobic stance.
Objectively Denver is not close to being a finished product and willing to take steps back to improve longer term. Iggy from what I read wanted to play in Golden State as he has ambitions beyond basketball, are further along in their roster, and might have been paid more than what Denver was paying.
Knuggs have a rookie coach, a nice team that is in the playoff mix and as it stands our ping pong balls with some cap flex ongoing with picks, utes, and tradable parts.
If you bank your future on Koufos your limiting your ceiling. McGee is a disappointment thus far but the ceiling is still higher. Mozgov was a free agent and Karl had no patience to develop him, or MCgee for that matter. Karl got his COY and thought that would give him leverage for new deal.
Im not sure about centering the offense around McGee as he is limited but if got a big with potential and we know the half court game is what advances thru the playoffs then developing that game from using the thin air run and gun advantage is not a bad idea. Ownership has stated a frustration from the many first round exits. I think Melo got to be poster child for that theme in denver and it carries over to NY.
Naturally both teams are linked at the hip because of the trade. Ujiri had the blessings of ownership to rebuild but Karl appeared to have a different agenda. Im sure at some point when your closing in on a 60 win season you let the coach have at it, but in the end he and the team failed to advance. Ujiri scored and epic contract (who could blame him!) at the right time mostly because the Knuggs are positioned well for the future, not for getting bumped in the first round!
I get your point.
Melo's record speaks for itself. I do think he is unfairly portrayed and perhaps other than a few times in his career has he been surrounded by the type of talent that should contend.
His tenure in NY is hamstrung by the trade and the price paid to get him combined with Amare's health.
Blame and fault is of little reason. Its wins and losses that count.
As for Denver? There prospects are good going forward. Knicks? We lack the assets compared to Denver and Melo is not Lebron!!! Thats not a slant, its just that Lebron is the only franchise player that can carry a team thru a season and the playoffs in the is era. Melo is paid and marketed Knicks as one.
The truth hurts.....
Nalod wrote:McGee played 5 games this season.Crush has a thing for Denver as their success dilutes "Coming Home".
TKF bath's in wonderful feelings of euphoria at Denvers success as it validates his MeloPhobic stance.
Objectively Denver is not close to being a finished product and willing to take steps back to improve longer term. Iggy from what I read wanted to play in Golden State as he has ambitions beyond basketball, are further along in their roster, and might have been paid more than what Denver was paying.
Knuggs have a rookie coach, a nice team that is in the playoff mix and as it stands our ping pong balls with some cap flex ongoing with picks, utes, and tradable parts.
If you bank your future on Koufos your limiting your ceiling. McGee is a disappointment thus far but the ceiling is still higher. Mozgov was a free agent and Karl had no patience to develop him, or MCgee for that matter. Karl got his COY and thought that would give him leverage for new deal.
Denvers success doesn't validate my so called melophobic stance... the knicks implosion does... haha
If you bank your future on Koufos your limiting your ceiling. McGee is a disappointment thus far but the ceiling is still higher. Mozgov was a free agent and Karl had no patience to develop him, or MCgee for that matter. Karl got his COY and thought that would give him leverage for new deal
exactly... Denver is looking more long term. Mcgee although goofy at times still has a much higher ceiling thatn koufos... And Denver is actually looking to build a legit contender... and they have a plan in place.. something we just don't seem to get here in NY.