gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It's crazy how "Knicks fans" scrutinized David Lee for his lack of defense while playing Center. Now he is an allstar and one of the best players in the game
This happens with every player we have- instead of focusing on their good points, Knick fans zero in on their weakness, then talk endlessly about it until people start believing that they are the worst loser in the world who has no positive attributes and makes us lose games. Then once they've been gone for a while we start to focus exclusively on their good points, while completely ignoring the negative, until that ex-Knick becomes a god. We then use that player to repeat the process against our current players by using them as a comparison.
At the moment people are doing it with Amar'e, Felton, Novak and Tyson. Last season it was Melo.
David Lee is a good guy and nice player, but if we'd kept him there would be no Melo or Tyson or Felton or Kidd. We needed a player who would attract other players, and unfortunately he wouldn't have.
Exactly "Knicks fans" focus was on how Ewing is a bad passer.
and Lin's high turnovers and 25game "fluke" even though he was a rookie forced to have the ball in his hands with Melo and Amare out. No focus on what he did for his teammates with his ability to consistently break down the D and finish and draw the defense in with his penetrating and kick out to a wide open Novak. And Lin's efficiency from the field at 44% on fewer shot attempts also overlooked
Are you talking about now or then with his shot attempts because I remember them being very high while MElo and STAT were out.
yellowboy90 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It's crazy how "Knicks fans" scrutinized David Lee for his lack of defense while playing Center. Now he is an allstar and one of the best players in the game
This happens with every player we have- instead of focusing on their good points, Knick fans zero in on their weakness, then talk endlessly about it until people start believing that they are the worst loser in the world who has no positive attributes and makes us lose games. Then once they've been gone for a while we start to focus exclusively on their good points, while completely ignoring the negative, until that ex-Knick becomes a god. We then use that player to repeat the process against our current players by using them as a comparison.
At the moment people are doing it with Amar'e, Felton, Novak and Tyson. Last season it was Melo.
David Lee is a good guy and nice player, but if we'd kept him there would be no Melo or Tyson or Felton or Kidd. We needed a player who would attract other players, and unfortunately he wouldn't have.
Exactly "Knicks fans" focus was on how Ewing is a bad passer.
and Lin's high turnovers and 25game "fluke" even though he was a rookie forced to have the ball in his hands with Melo and Amare out. No focus on what he did for his teammates with his ability to consistently break down the D and finish and draw the defense in with his penetrating and kick out to a wide open Novak. And Lin's efficiency from the field at 44% on fewer shot attempts also overlooked
Are you talking about now or then with his shot attempts because I remember them being very high while MElo and STAT were out.
Then. Like I said they were high because Melo and Amare were out. He shot between 44-48% all year. Which puts him in elite company with other great PGs. Lots of penetration and efficiency. Phenomenal for a rookie
Uptown wrote:Anji wrote:Always thought Lee would be a great fit here, never understood why people ragged on his defense so much. He is active and he bounds like crazy.
Very good passer aswell....And he has a reliable mid-range jay...
And his hair was always a great distraction on D. Throws lots of people's shots off. I hear his dog thought he served a great breakfast, too.
Hello, is there any coherence on the menu today? I never understood how people de-rag someone's defense by pointing out offensive skills.
NYKBocker wrote:Uptown wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Rockets doing it again tonight. Hornets slowed it down but the Harden/Lin backcourt is just too much.
Did LIn control the pace and set up his teammates?
Lin had 9 pts and shot 30% from the field. When Felts puts up those numbers he gets killed....
He also had 6 rebounds, +17, 2 TOs, 1 steal. He stunk it up again at 3pt range going 1for 4. His defense and managing of the pace was awesome. Dude just keeps pushing the ball and creating open shots.
The problem is when Felton shoots 30% in a game, it's not 3 out of 10 - it's 9 out of 30.
Lin had 9 points on 10 shots. In terms of efficiency, that's about average for Felton this year.
Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.
Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.
Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.
Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.
Have u tried highlighting Felton's good stretches like that or just never occurred to u??
Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.
Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.
I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats.
Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.
Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.
Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.
I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats. Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.
Hard to argue with that. Nevertheless, it will be argued.
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.
Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.
I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats. Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.
Hard to argue with that. Nevertheless, it will be argued.
I expect the argument will be that efficiency doesn't matter and even if it were to take him 100 more shots per game, as long as Felton has the higher scoring average he is the better player.
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.
Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.
I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats. Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.
Hard to argue with that. Nevertheless, it will be argued.
I expect the argument will be that efficiency doesn't matter and even if it were to take him 100 more shots per game, as long as Felton has the higher scoring average he is the better player.
The only arguments for Felton are defense and chemistry (teammates like him)
And Felton's penetration and hockey assists on his bricks off the rim that Tyson puts back. Certainly doesn't penetrate and dish like Lin or finish. But we do miss Felton's limited version of penetration with prehistoric statues like Kidd and Prigs
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.
Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.
I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats. Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.
Hard to argue with that. Nevertheless, it will be argued.
I expect the argument will be that efficiency doesn't matter and even if it were to take him 100 more shots per game, as long as Felton has the higher scoring average he is the better player.
The only arguments for Felton are defense and chemistry (teammates like him)
People will always find something ambiguous and non-quantifiable to cite.
I'm not convinced about Felton being better than Lin defensively. It's not an outstanding stat but Felton's opponents' PER is actually higher than Lin's. (I'm not aware of opponents' WS or WP being reported anywhere.) I haven't seen Felton shut down any good PGs.
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.
Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.
I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats. Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.
Hard to argue with that. Nevertheless, it will be argued.
I expect the argument will be that efficiency doesn't matter and even if it were to take him 100 more shots per game, as long as Felton has the higher scoring average he is the better player.
The only arguments for Felton are defense and chemistry (teammates like him)
People will always find something ambiguous and non-quantifiable to cite.
I'm not convinced about Felton being better than Lin defensively. It's not an outstanding stat but Felton's opponents' PER is actually higher than Lin's. (I'm not aware of opponents' WS or WP being reported anywhere.) I haven't seen Felton shut down any good PGs.
You don't need to sell me on Felton's defense being overrated.
Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.
I had Lin at 15/7 by year's end before the season got under way. We'll see if he gets there. I remember specifically presenting those numbers to CrushAlot in defense of his contract. Worst case was 13/6.
He's still inconsistent offensively but he has improved quite a bit since the start of the season although NUPE may be incensed now.
LIns carbon footprint is smaller than Feltons.
Nalod wrote:LIns carbon footprint is smaller than Feltons.
I call bull shyt on yo ass
Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.
Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.
I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats. Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.
In 2010 he averaged 47.5% over 16 games in November. In 2009 he averaged 57% over 14 games in December and 48.1% over 17 games in March.
smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.
Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.
I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats. Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.
In 2010 he averaged 47.5% over 16 games in November. In 2009 he averaged 57% over 14 games in December and 48.1% over 17 games in March.
Wow good research smackeddog!
ChuckBuck wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.
Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.
I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats. Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.
In 2010 he averaged 47.5% over 16 games in November. In 2009 he averaged 57% over 14 games in December and 48.1% over 17 games in March.
Wow good research smackeddog!
Wow! Based on that info, his other months must have been brutally brutal! 
