GustavBahler wrote:
Sober look at 3 games. I love the fast start out of the gate but its a long season. I'm happy too, but other teams will find their stride as the season progresses. We have to keep playing hard and hope we can stay healthy for the most part.
Gustavo - ever consider what happens when the Knicks find their stride?
Sheed knows.
“As far as our chemistry goes, we’re at the tip of the iceberg. With the way we are, it’s a matter of veteran guys that know how to play basketball. Once we do jell together, then we could be scary.” - Sheed
Our defensive rebounding will improve with Camby.
Our perimeter defense will improve next season with Shumpert at 100 per cent
misterearl wrote:GustavBahler wrote:
Sober look at 3 games. I love the fast start out of the gate but its a long season. I'm happy too, but other teams will find their stride as the season progresses. We have to keep playing hard and hope we can stay healthy for the most part.
Gustavo - ever consider what happens when the Knicks find their stride?
Sheed knows.
I agree Earl, Sheed looks like he is going to be an X factor this season. Still, its 3 games so we have to see how Philly plays when Bynum gets back, Miami wants to repeat badly, Boston will be right there in the hunt. If this question were asked after a month or two into the season I would be more enthusiastic.
We have to see how Stat will fit in when he gets back, and how healthy this team can stay. Not pessimistic at all. Just want to see a larger sample size, as I might have heard once or twice on this board.
The Sixers aren't lowly. They are a legit playoff team, filled with high-end athlete and helmed by one of the finest coaches in the NBA. A lack of Bynum hurts, but is he the difference in 20 point blowouts? And it's not like we're not missing any key cogs.
Threes will come and go, sure, but two things leap out at me that are sustainable: 1) Melo's refined post game, which feeds open jumpers to perimeter players and 2) the impenetrable D.
Real. The caveat is "so far", and the answer is absolutely 100% Real.
You don't have a 20 pt differential against 2 playoff teams being Hype. San Antonio needed a Parker buzzer beater to beat OKC, so the edge goes to the Knicks.
We Plays 'em One Game At A Time
GustavBahler wrote:We have to see how Stat will fit in when he gets back, and how healthy this team can stay. Not pessimistic at all. Just want to see a larger sample size, as I might have heard once or twice on this board.
No Weak Links.
If Stoudemire cannot stay on his man like a leech, he can take a seat like anyone else. Playing this level of Knicks defense does not allow for ANY weak links.
Forget the sample size. Watch every possession and see if the assists lead to easy baskets. 24 and 7 is a decent a/t ratio, yes?
A positive sign of maturity... In the first quarter, Woodson allowed his veteran team straightening out its problems on its own, on the road.
“He understands that we’re a different team and we’re not going to get rattled by a situation like that. With every bucket, I could hear Jason Kidd and Carmelo saying: ‘Stick to the game plan. Nobody get rattled.’ Slowly, we got comfortable.” - Tyson Chandler
There is still room to grow, so the sample size don't mean squat this Friday.
All that matters is that we grow.
misterearl wrote:We Plays 'em One Game At A TimeGustavBahler wrote:We have to see how Stat will fit in when he gets back, and how healthy this team can stay. Not pessimistic at all. Just want to see a larger sample size, as I might have heard once or twice on this board.
No Weak Links.
If Stoudemire cannot stay on his man like a leech, he can take a seat like anyone else. Playing this level of Knicks defense does not allow for ANY weak links.
Forget the sample size. Watch every possession and see if the assists lead to easy baskets. 24 and 7 is a decent a/t ratio, yes?
A positive sign of maturity... In the first quarter, Woodson allowed his veteran team straightening out its problems on its own, on the road.
“He understands that we’re a different team and we’re not going to get rattled by a situation like that. With every bucket, I could hear Jason Kidd and Carmelo saying: ‘Stick to the game plan. Nobody get rattled.’ Slowly, we got comfortable.” - Tyson Chandler
There is still room to grow, so the sample size don't mean squat this Friday.
All that matters is that we grow.
The sample size factors in injuries and how Woodson uses Stat when he gets back including other things that are out of the Knicks control like the level of competition. Suggesting that 3 games already determines the outcome of an 82 game season goes beyond optimism.
You and I might believe Stat should sit if he cant cut it but we have to see how coach handles it. How many minutes will he play? Will he start? How much time will Stat and Melo be on the floor together? Can The PGs get them all on the same page? I don't believe these questions have been answered after just 3 games Especially with Stat on the IL.
As I've pointed out, if the team is playing well Woodson should be able to sell Stat on a reduced roll with the team but its hard to say how he will fit Stat into the lineup until he actually does it.
Knicks are playing well, and yes improving. I've articulated more than once why I believe the this team has a good chance of succeeding, and so far so good but I want to see more.
tkf wrote:Nalod wrote:Since you asked, I'd have to say we caught Miami napping and I'd dare to remind everyone Miami lost to the Bucks and the Wiz TWICE last season.We beat a 76er team twice who maybe having problems.
Not going to tell anyone to chill out and not enjoy this but lets see how this sorts out with some other competition. Its a long season.
Sorry, Im a damaged Knick fan. This does not go away after 3 gams.
+100
yea... this as well.
I voted real. I predicted 50 wins. Its an old team with a lot of guys who know how to play. Phili is bad and the Heat didnt want to play the game to start.
It seems that still some Knicks fans are living in the past. The Heat are good, but it is possible to catch up to them and I think the Knicks made so many improvements that they've closed that gap. We have more talent, experience, depth, toughness and size!!! If you can't see just how this team could be a top tier team this year I think it's only because of the Knicks past. I get bashed for being too positive, but in truth I don't go off past seasons when I evaluate what I think the team should do. I think there have been issues that kept the team in the past from reaching it's full potential, but this year I think they addressed most of those issues and this team is primed to play up to it's potential. That's all we're talking about here. No one is guaranteeing a title, but this team is even better defensively than at the end of last year. Just imagine when Camby gets in there and later with Shump.
nixluva wrote:It seems that still some Knicks fans are living in the past. The Heat are good, but it is possible to catch up to them and I think the Knicks made so many improvements that they've closed that gap. We have more talent, experience, depth, toughness and size!!! If you can't see just how this team could be a top tier team this year I think it's only because of the Knicks past. I get bashed for being too positive, but in truth I don't go off past seasons when I evaluate what I think the team should do. I think there have been issues that kept the team in the past from reaching it's full potential, but this year I think they addressed most of those issues and this team is primed to play up to it's potential. That's all we're talking about here. No one is guaranteeing a title, but this team is even better defensively than at the end of last year. Just imagine when Camby gets in there and later with Shump.
I know the Heat won a ring but I still think they did a bad job designing a supporting cast for their big 3. In less than 12 months, Grunwald put together a much better supporting cast than the Heat have.
Live In The Moment
GustavBahler wrote:
Knicks are playing well, and yes improving. I've articulated more than once why I believe the this team has a good chance of succeeding, and so far so good but I want to see more.
They have already succeeded in getting off to an excellent start, not in the win column... but with team work and team spirit. Did you enjoy how the bench was celebrating and congratulating? Forget the record... the most important sign is the cohesion and intensity on defense. Communication. A tenacious style of play.
Forget the shooting percentages.... Disciplined ball handling and far fewer turnovers than SSOL. Intelligence and poise.
Enough with the predictions and long-range pontifications. The time is now. We all want to see more. That is why we will tune in on Friday.
One game at a time.
Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:It seems that still some Knicks fans are living in the past. The Heat are good, but it is possible to catch up to them and I think the Knicks made so many improvements that they've closed that gap. We have more talent, experience, depth, toughness and size!!! If you can't see just how this team could be a top tier team this year I think it's only because of the Knicks past. I get bashed for being too positive, but in truth I don't go off past seasons when I evaluate what I think the team should do. I think there have been issues that kept the team in the past from reaching it's full potential, but this year I think they addressed most of those issues and this team is primed to play up to it's potential. That's all we're talking about here. No one is guaranteeing a title, but this team is even better defensively than at the end of last year. Just imagine when Camby gets in there and later with Shump.
I know the Heat won a ring but I still think they did a bad job designing a supporting cast for their big 3. In less than 12 months, Grunwald put together a much better supporting cast than the Heat have.
Exactly. Yes they have 3 all-stars but they dont have much of a supporting cast outside of an aging ray allen. We are one of the deepest teams in the league and we still have amare camby and shump coming back
IrishKnickFan wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:It seems that still some Knicks fans are living in the past. The Heat are good, but it is possible to catch up to them and I think the Knicks made so many improvements that they've closed that gap. We have more talent, experience, depth, toughness and size!!! If you can't see just how this team could be a top tier team this year I think it's only because of the Knicks past. I get bashed for being too positive, but in truth I don't go off past seasons when I evaluate what I think the team should do. I think there have been issues that kept the team in the past from reaching it's full potential, but this year I think they addressed most of those issues and this team is primed to play up to it's potential. That's all we're talking about here. No one is guaranteeing a title, but this team is even better defensively than at the end of last year. Just imagine when Camby gets in there and later with Shump.
I know the Heat won a ring but I still think they did a bad job designing a supporting cast for their big 3. In less than 12 months, Grunwald put together a much better supporting cast than the Heat have.
Exactly. Yes they have 3 all-stars but they dont have much of a supporting cast outside of an aging ray allen. We are one of the deepest teams in the league and we still have amare camby and shump coming back
Throw in Brewer is not fully healthy and Rasheed is still getting into shape. Plus Prigs hasn't figured out the NBA game. Maybe Prigs never does but if he does figure out how to balance scoring in the lane with his passing look out.
Three The Hard WayACL's are serious matters. Shump can come back next season at one hundred percent. No rush.
Amare either stays on his man like a leech or he can take a seat. Mike Woodson's defense requires everyone to commit. No exceptions. No excuses.
Marcus Camby is another guard on the floor. He will only enhance the passing game. Cambyman sees the floor well. We dig that about him.
misterearl wrote:Live In The MomentGustavBahler wrote:
Knicks are playing well, and yes improving. I've articulated more than once why I believe the this team has a good chance of succeeding, and so far so good but I want to see more.
They have already succeeded in getting off to an excellent start, not in the win column... but with team work and team spirit. Did you enjoy how the bench was celebrating and congratulating? Forget the record... the most important sign is the cohesion and intensity on defense. Communication. A tenacious style of play.
Forget the shooting percentages.... Disciplined ball handling and far fewer turnovers than SSOL. Intelligence and poise.
Enough with the predictions and long-range pontifications. The time is now. We all want to see more. That is why we will tune in on Friday.
One game at a time.
+10000000000
And we're still winning by 20 with a smattering of Melo iso plays making the highlights.
We actually never ran SSOL since MDA was here, but what we did run is basically his halfcourt offense and I've got news for all those who aren't paying attention, WE'RE STILL RUNNING A LOT OF MDA'S HALFCOURT OFFENSE! IF you can't see that we're still spreading the floor and getting wide open 3's and how those sets are basically the same as last year you must be blind. Yes there are some added wrinkles but basically it's the same stuff. The big difference is that we don't have a young inexperienced PG running it.
nixluva wrote:We actually never ran SSOL since MDA was here, but what we did run is basically his halfcourt offense and I've got news for all those who aren't paying attention, WE'RE STILL RUNNING A LOT OF MDA'S HALFCOURT OFFENSE! IF you can't see that we're still spreading the floor and getting wide open 3's and how those sets are basically the same as last year you must be blind. Yes there are some added wrinkles but basically it's the same stuff. The big difference is that we don't have a young inexperienced PG running it.
The big difference is the coach.
nixluva wrote:We actually never ran SSOL since MDA was here, but what we did run is basically his halfcourt offense and I've got news for all those who aren't paying attention, WE'RE STILL RUNNING A LOT OF MDA'S HALFCOURT OFFENSE! IF you can't see that we're still spreading the floor and getting wide open 3's and how those sets are basically the same as last year you must be blind. Yes there are some added wrinkles but basically it's the same stuff. The big difference is that we don't have a young inexperienced PG running it.
You have never found fault with anything D'Antoni did, not once while he was the coach, not one play, not one substitution, nothing. If his tie was crooked you would not be able to bring yourself to admit it.
At the same time you claim that this same coach should somehow share credit for another coach's success. And all the while claiming that Woodson has " no excuses" for this season. You were the Excusomatic 5000 for every loss under D'Antoni.
Can you understand why some people would believe that this stance borders on mental illness? For the love of God let it go, D'Antoni is gone. Whatever success the Knicks have should be 100 percent attributed to the current coach MIKE WOODSON, Glen Grunwald, and the current roster. Not a coach who quit on his team and couldn't do a damned thing while he was here. I don't care how many nice things you say about Woodson, as long as you imply that he owes something to a complete failure of a coach in NY you aren't giving him the credit he deserves. No Excuses.
CashMoney wrote:nixluva wrote:We actually never ran SSOL since MDA was here, but what we did run is basically his halfcourt offense and I've got news for all those who aren't paying attention, WE'RE STILL RUNNING A LOT OF MDA'S HALFCOURT OFFENSE! IF you can't see that we're still spreading the floor and getting wide open 3's and how those sets are basically the same as last year you must be blind. Yes there are some added wrinkles but basically it's the same stuff. The big difference is that we don't have a young inexperienced PG running it.
The big difference is the coach.
+1. Sometimes around here it seems that D'Antoni was the creator of all plays run on the offensive side of the court. Unfortunately he was horrific here for 4 years until he chose to resign.
nixluva wrote:We actually never ran SSOL since MDA was here, but what we did run is basically his halfcourt offense and I've got news for all those who aren't paying attention, WE'RE STILL RUNNING A LOT OF MDA'S HALFCOURT OFFENSE! IF you can't see that we're still spreading the floor and getting wide open 3's and how those sets are basically the same as last year you must be blind. Yes there are some added wrinkles but basically it's the same stuff. The big difference is that we don't have a young inexperienced PG running it.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
We are in a state of Euphoria and you can't stop bringing up Isiah - I mean MDA
