Knicks · Carmelo Anthony's MVP Season and the New York Knicks (page 17)
tkf wrote:NUPE wrote:IrishKnickFan wrote:NUPE wrote:It is so funny to see people whine about Melo's fg% which is 44% right now.please im begging you stop with the knicks vs former knicks crap. Lets focus on the good season we are havingMeanwhile:
The great Gallo is shooting 34% this year.
The great Lin is shooting below 35% this year.
The great Wilson Chandler is shooting 31% this year.Melo is literally shooting just about 10% better than all the ex-Knick's and the "Gift".
Why should I?!?! We all know certain posters hate for Melo revolves around their lust for ex-knicks. Melo is shooting 44% and people are acting like he is shooting 35%. Eventually Melo will make more of his shots around the rim and his fg% will improve. And then people will find something else to complain about.
nah, this is what you do.. you bring up those guys every time you can..... melo is shooting 44% and that is not good enough.. I mean is that what you want from your so called franchise player? why such low standards, why not aim for 49% which deng is shooting, or 53% which lebron is shooting, he is getting paid more than both guys, and he is supposed to be the face of this franchise... why keep bringing up players whom you feel are inferior to him as the standard to which defend melo.. it is ridiculous on every level especially with the way you feel about former knicks...
We didn't give up Deng or Lebron for Melo we gave up 34% Gallo and 31% Chandler. Melo was the reason why 35% Linsanity ended. Now that the offseason is over and hypotheticals turn into reality and you can't brag about them its not a fair ball game anymore I see.
Melo is shooting 44%, but he is attacking the basket he isn't just shooting poor jumpshots. He gets a couple more calls when he is getting whacked and his fg% would sky rocket. With that said didn't really like the way he played offensively that much. We need to get back to the ball movement like the first few games. His defense on West was great though.
newyorknewyork wrote:tkf wrote:NUPE wrote:IrishKnickFan wrote:NUPE wrote:It is so funny to see people whine about Melo's fg% which is 44% right now.please im begging you stop with the knicks vs former knicks crap. Lets focus on the good season we are havingMeanwhile:
The great Gallo is shooting 34% this year.
The great Lin is shooting below 35% this year.
The great Wilson Chandler is shooting 31% this year.Melo is literally shooting just about 10% better than all the ex-Knick's and the "Gift".
Why should I?!?! We all know certain posters hate for Melo revolves around their lust for ex-knicks. Melo is shooting 44% and people are acting like he is shooting 35%. Eventually Melo will make more of his shots around the rim and his fg% will improve. And then people will find something else to complain about.
nah, this is what you do.. you bring up those guys every time you can..... melo is shooting 44% and that is not good enough.. I mean is that what you want from your so called franchise player? why such low standards, why not aim for 49% which deng is shooting, or 53% which lebron is shooting, he is getting paid more than both guys, and he is supposed to be the face of this franchise... why keep bringing up players whom you feel are inferior to him as the standard to which defend melo.. it is ridiculous on every level especially with the way you feel about former knicks...
We didn't give up Deng or Lebron for Melo we gave up 34% Gallo and 31% Chandler. Melo was the reason why 35% Linsanity ended. Now that the offseason is over and hypotheticals turn into reality and you can't brag about them its not a fair ball game anymore I see.
Melo is shooting 44%, but he is attacking the basket he isn't just shooting poor jumpshots. He gets a couple more calls when he is getting whacked and his fg% would sky rocket. With that said didn't really like the way he played offensively that much. We need to get back to the ball movement like the first few games. His defense on West was great though.
so again, as long as carmelo is shooting a better % than those guys, knick fans should be happy? if that works for you.. have at it.. but it makes absolutely no sense...... If you feel those guys are vastly inferior than it should not be a surprise, but when someone says that 44% is not good enough, pointing out what gallo, lin, etc shoots, is just a piss poor way to defend that point....
but you do see how what you said really makes no sense.... 35% linsanity.. I didn't know lin ws shooting that bad last year. unless you have some stats to back that up, what you are just doing is going out of a way to try to make a point that just isn't there..
tkf wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:tkf wrote:NUPE wrote:IrishKnickFan wrote:NUPE wrote:It is so funny to see people whine about Melo's fg% which is 44% right now.please im begging you stop with the knicks vs former knicks crap. Lets focus on the good season we are havingMeanwhile:
The great Gallo is shooting 34% this year.
The great Lin is shooting below 35% this year.
The great Wilson Chandler is shooting 31% this year.Melo is literally shooting just about 10% better than all the ex-Knick's and the "Gift".
Why should I?!?! We all know certain posters hate for Melo revolves around their lust for ex-knicks. Melo is shooting 44% and people are acting like he is shooting 35%. Eventually Melo will make more of his shots around the rim and his fg% will improve. And then people will find something else to complain about.
nah, this is what you do.. you bring up those guys every time you can..... melo is shooting 44% and that is not good enough.. I mean is that what you want from your so called franchise player? why such low standards, why not aim for 49% which deng is shooting, or 53% which lebron is shooting, he is getting paid more than both guys, and he is supposed to be the face of this franchise... why keep bringing up players whom you feel are inferior to him as the standard to which defend melo.. it is ridiculous on every level especially with the way you feel about former knicks...
We didn't give up Deng or Lebron for Melo we gave up 34% Gallo and 31% Chandler. Melo was the reason why 35% Linsanity ended. Now that the offseason is over and hypotheticals turn into reality and you can't brag about them its not a fair ball game anymore I see.
Melo is shooting 44%, but he is attacking the basket he isn't just shooting poor jumpshots. He gets a couple more calls when he is getting whacked and his fg% would sky rocket. With that said didn't really like the way he played offensively that much. We need to get back to the ball movement like the first few games. His defense on West was great though.
so again, as long as carmelo is shooting a better % than those guys, knick fans should be happy? if that works for you.. have at it.. but it makes absolutely no sense...... If you feel those guys are vastly inferior than it should not be a surprise, but when someone says that 44% is not good enough, pointing out what gallo, lin, etc shoots, is just a piss poor way to defend that point....
but you do see how what you said really makes no sense.... 35% linsanity.. I didn't know lin ws shooting that bad last year. unless you have some stats to back that up, what you are just doing is going out of a way to try to make a point that just isn't there..
What works for me is him playing defense, attacking the rim, doing the little things and the Knicks continuing to win basketball games.
Like I stated earlier he is attacking the basket he isn't settling for poor jump shots. He gets some of the calls he should have gotten and his fg% would be higher. But I guess talking about his FG% is the last string to stand on.
If Gallo, Chandler and Lin were producing at a high level you would be throwing that around right now. But they aren't so its not fair game. If Denver was 8-2 and not 4-6 right now you would be throwing that around right now as well.
Nuff said.
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not only is Carmelo Anthony a much superior offensive player than Gallinari and Lin, he's a better defensive player and leader.Nuff said.
again, this is just an attempt to bait and it addresses nothing in regards to this thread, but I will play along.... even if you are right which I won't bother arguing since you think the world of carmelo.. here is the problem.. he is in a confrence with rondo, wade and lebron... and he isn't better than those guys.. hence the reason why 44% shooting, his lack of defense and lack of leadership won't cut it..
done, and done..
i'm out....
tkf wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not only is Carmelo Anthony a much superior offensive player than Gallinari and Lin, he's a better defensive player and leader.Nuff said.
again, this is just an attempt to bait and it addresses nothing in regards to this thread, but I will play along.... even if you are right which I won't bother arguing since you think the world of carmelo.. here is the problem.. he is in a confrence with rondo, wade and lebron... and he isn't better than those guys.. hence the reason why 44% shooting, his lack of defense and lack of leadership won't cut it..
done, and done..i'm out....
Well he is shooting better than or the same as James Harden who you called a beast. So.....
yellowboy90 wrote:tkf wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not only is Carmelo Anthony a much superior offensive player than Gallinari and Lin, he's a better defensive player and leader.Nuff said.
again, this is just an attempt to bait and it addresses nothing in regards to this thread, but I will play along.... even if you are right which I won't bother arguing since you think the world of carmelo.. here is the problem.. he is in a confrence with rondo, wade and lebron... and he isn't better than those guys.. hence the reason why 44% shooting, his lack of defense and lack of leadership won't cut it..
done, and done..i'm out....
Well he is shooting better than or the same as James Harden who you called a beast. So.....
Their TS% are not close actually.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:tkf wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not only is Carmelo Anthony a much superior offensive player than Gallinari and Lin, he's a better defensive player and leader.Nuff said.
again, this is just an attempt to bait and it addresses nothing in regards to this thread, but I will play along.... even if you are right which I won't bother arguing since you think the world of carmelo.. here is the problem.. he is in a confrence with rondo, wade and lebron... and he isn't better than those guys.. hence the reason why 44% shooting, his lack of defense and lack of leadership won't cut it..
done, and done..i'm out....
Well he is shooting better than or the same as James Harden who you called a beast. So.....
Their TS% are not close actually.
Or another way of looking at it is that Melo is averaging 23.6 PPG on 19.3 FGA. Harden is averaging 26.7 PPG on 18.9 FGA. They're not even close in terms of efficiency. Harden's shot-selection is exactly what Melo's should be like.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:tkf wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not only is Carmelo Anthony a much superior offensive player than Gallinari and Lin, he's a better defensive player and leader.Nuff said.
again, this is just an attempt to bait and it addresses nothing in regards to this thread, but I will play along.... even if you are right which I won't bother arguing since you think the world of carmelo.. here is the problem.. he is in a confrence with rondo, wade and lebron... and he isn't better than those guys.. hence the reason why 44% shooting, his lack of defense and lack of leadership won't cut it..
done, and done..i'm out....
Well he is shooting better than or the same as James Harden who you called a beast. So.....
Their TS% are not close actually.
Neither are their 3 pt %.
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:tkf wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not only is Carmelo Anthony a much superior offensive player than Gallinari and Lin, he's a better defensive player and leader.Nuff said.
again, this is just an attempt to bait and it addresses nothing in regards to this thread, but I will play along.... even if you are right which I won't bother arguing since you think the world of carmelo.. here is the problem.. he is in a confrence with rondo, wade and lebron... and he isn't better than those guys.. hence the reason why 44% shooting, his lack of defense and lack of leadership won't cut it..
done, and done..i'm out....
Well he is shooting better than or the same as James Harden who you called a beast. So.....
Their TS% are not close actually.Neither are their 3 pt %.
Clearly the overall percentage (as indicated by TS%) is more important than any one factor alone that contributes to it (like 3 pt % or 2 pt % or FT%). Harden's taking fewer shots and putting up 3 more PPG. The comparison couldn't be much more one-sided.
Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:tkf wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not only is Carmelo Anthony a much superior offensive player than Gallinari and Lin, he's a better defensive player and leader.Nuff said.
again, this is just an attempt to bait and it addresses nothing in regards to this thread, but I will play along.... even if you are right which I won't bother arguing since you think the world of carmelo.. here is the problem.. he is in a confrence with rondo, wade and lebron... and he isn't better than those guys.. hence the reason why 44% shooting, his lack of defense and lack of leadership won't cut it..
done, and done..i'm out....
Well he is shooting better than or the same as James Harden who you called a beast. So.....
Their TS% are not close actually.
Or another way of looking at it is that Melo is averaging 23.6 PPG on 19.3 FGA. Harden is averaging 26.7 PPG on 18.9 FGA. They're not even close in terms of efficiency. Harden's shot-selection is exactly what Melo's should be like.
I have watched Harden and their shot selection is eerily the same down to the face up step back jumper. One had two huge games to combat all the poor ones he had. Another had a single digit game that dropped his avg. I don't mind Melo FG% when he is attacking and getting mutiple rebounds off of it to score. I also realize that Melo is shooting an unusually low Ft%.
The Knicks are winning. Melo is playing D. Melo is not being selfish. So, the last resort is to cry about Melo only shooting 44%. LoL!
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:tkf wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not only is Carmelo Anthony a much superior offensive player than Gallinari and Lin, he's a better defensive player and leader.Nuff said.
again, this is just an attempt to bait and it addresses nothing in regards to this thread, but I will play along.... even if you are right which I won't bother arguing since you think the world of carmelo.. here is the problem.. he is in a confrence with rondo, wade and lebron... and he isn't better than those guys.. hence the reason why 44% shooting, his lack of defense and lack of leadership won't cut it..
done, and done..i'm out....
Well he is shooting better than or the same as James Harden who you called a beast. So.....
Their TS% are not close actually.
Or another way of looking at it is that Melo is averaging 23.6 PPG on 19.3 FGA. Harden is averaging 26.7 PPG on 18.9 FGA. They're not even close in terms of efficiency. Harden's shot-selection is exactly what Melo's should be like.I have watched Harden and their shot selection is eerily the same down to the face up step back jumper. One had two huge games to combat all the poor ones he had. Another had a single digit game that dropped his avg. I don't mind Melo FG% when he is attacking and getting mutiple rebounds off of it to score. I also realize that Melo is shooting an unusually low Ft%.
You can look at their career numbers if you think this season has too few games. The difference will only become more drastic. I don't know what you mean by their shot selection being similar - Harden's clearly taking shots that he makes at a higher percentage and Melo's taking shots he makes at a lower percentage.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:tkf wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not only is Carmelo Anthony a much superior offensive player than Gallinari and Lin, he's a better defensive player and leader.Nuff said.
again, this is just an attempt to bait and it addresses nothing in regards to this thread, but I will play along.... even if you are right which I won't bother arguing since you think the world of carmelo.. here is the problem.. he is in a confrence with rondo, wade and lebron... and he isn't better than those guys.. hence the reason why 44% shooting, his lack of defense and lack of leadership won't cut it..
done, and done..i'm out....
Well he is shooting better than or the same as James Harden who you called a beast. So.....
Their TS% are not close actually.
Or another way of looking at it is that Melo is averaging 23.6 PPG on 19.3 FGA. Harden is averaging 26.7 PPG on 18.9 FGA. They're not even close in terms of efficiency. Harden's shot-selection is exactly what Melo's should be like.I have watched Harden and their shot selection is eerily the same down to the face up step back jumper. One had two huge games to combat all the poor ones he had. Another had a single digit game that dropped his avg. I don't mind Melo FG% when he is attacking and getting mutiple rebounds off of it to score. I also realize that Melo is shooting an unusually low Ft%.
You can look at their career numbers if you think this season has too few games. The difference will only become more drastic. I don't know what you mean by their shot selection being similar - Harden's clearly taking shots that he makes at a higher percentage and Melo's taking shots he makes at a lower percentage.
What are u using Jedi mind tricks???..Melo has slightly better career numbers and they are both shooting 44% this year...
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:tkf wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not only is Carmelo Anthony a much superior offensive player than Gallinari and Lin, he's a better defensive player and leader.Nuff said.
again, this is just an attempt to bait and it addresses nothing in regards to this thread, but I will play along.... even if you are right which I won't bother arguing since you think the world of carmelo.. here is the problem.. he is in a confrence with rondo, wade and lebron... and he isn't better than those guys.. hence the reason why 44% shooting, his lack of defense and lack of leadership won't cut it..
done, and done..i'm out....
Well he is shooting better than or the same as James Harden who you called a beast. So.....
Their TS% are not close actually.
Or another way of looking at it is that Melo is averaging 23.6 PPG on 19.3 FGA. Harden is averaging 26.7 PPG on 18.9 FGA. They're not even close in terms of efficiency. Harden's shot-selection is exactly what Melo's should be like.I have watched Harden and their shot selection is eerily the same down to the face up step back jumper. One had two huge games to combat all the poor ones he had. Another had a single digit game that dropped his avg. I don't mind Melo FG% when he is attacking and getting mutiple rebounds off of it to score. I also realize that Melo is shooting an unusually low Ft%.
You can look at their career numbers if you think this season has too few games. The difference will only become more drastic. I don't know what you mean by their shot selection being similar - Harden's clearly taking shots that he makes at a higher percentage and Melo's taking shots he makes at a lower percentage.What are u using Jedi mind tricks???..Melo has slightly better career numbers and they are both shooting 44% this year...
he is talking about TS% when Harden was a 3 rd option and was not guarded by a teams best defender or when he was expected to carry a team. The season is very young and he may prove me wrong but right now he is a player that attacks weaker teams and struggle against elite defenders.
yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:tkf wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not only is Carmelo Anthony a much superior offensive player than Gallinari and Lin, he's a better defensive player and leader.Nuff said.
again, this is just an attempt to bait and it addresses nothing in regards to this thread, but I will play along.... even if you are right which I won't bother arguing since you think the world of carmelo.. here is the problem.. he is in a confrence with rondo, wade and lebron... and he isn't better than those guys.. hence the reason why 44% shooting, his lack of defense and lack of leadership won't cut it..
done, and done..i'm out....
Well he is shooting better than or the same as James Harden who you called a beast. So.....
Their TS% are not close actually.
Or another way of looking at it is that Melo is averaging 23.6 PPG on 19.3 FGA. Harden is averaging 26.7 PPG on 18.9 FGA. They're not even close in terms of efficiency. Harden's shot-selection is exactly what Melo's should be like.I have watched Harden and their shot selection is eerily the same down to the face up step back jumper. One had two huge games to combat all the poor ones he had. Another had a single digit game that dropped his avg. I don't mind Melo FG% when he is attacking and getting mutiple rebounds off of it to score. I also realize that Melo is shooting an unusually low Ft%.
You can look at their career numbers if you think this season has too few games. The difference will only become more drastic. I don't know what you mean by their shot selection being similar - Harden's clearly taking shots that he makes at a higher percentage and Melo's taking shots he makes at a lower percentage.What are u using Jedi mind tricks???..Melo has slightly better career numbers and they are both shooting 44% this year...
he is talking about TS% when Harden was a 3 rd option and was not guarded by a teams best defender or when he was expected to carry a team. The season is very young and he may prove me wrong but right now he is a player that attacks weaker teams and struggle against elite defenders.
Ahh..That great stat...By the way, I thought all people around here cared about was wins??..That is of course until Melo started winning..Now it's shot selection..
Give me Harden's TS% at the end of this season as top dog and then let's talk about it.
holfresh wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:tkf wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not only is Carmelo Anthony a much superior offensive player than Gallinari and Lin, he's a better defensive player and leader.Nuff said.
again, this is just an attempt to bait and it addresses nothing in regards to this thread, but I will play along.... even if you are right which I won't bother arguing since you think the world of carmelo.. here is the problem.. he is in a confrence with rondo, wade and lebron... and he isn't better than those guys.. hence the reason why 44% shooting, his lack of defense and lack of leadership won't cut it..
done, and done..i'm out....
Well he is shooting better than or the same as James Harden who you called a beast. So.....
Their TS% are not close actually.
Or another way of looking at it is that Melo is averaging 23.6 PPG on 19.3 FGA. Harden is averaging 26.7 PPG on 18.9 FGA. They're not even close in terms of efficiency. Harden's shot-selection is exactly what Melo's should be like.I have watched Harden and their shot selection is eerily the same down to the face up step back jumper. One had two huge games to combat all the poor ones he had. Another had a single digit game that dropped his avg. I don't mind Melo FG% when he is attacking and getting mutiple rebounds off of it to score. I also realize that Melo is shooting an unusually low Ft%.
You can look at their career numbers if you think this season has too few games. The difference will only become more drastic. I don't know what you mean by their shot selection being similar - Harden's clearly taking shots that he makes at a higher percentage and Melo's taking shots he makes at a lower percentage.What are u using Jedi mind tricks???..Melo has slightly better career numbers and they are both shooting 44% this year...
he is talking about TS% when Harden was a 3 rd option and was not guarded by a teams best defender or when he was expected to carry a team. The season is very young and he may prove me wrong but right now he is a player that attacks weaker teams and struggle against elite defenders.
Ahh..That great stat...By the way, I thought all people around here cared about was wins??..That is of course until Melo started winning..Now it's shot selection..
Well he is no longer Mr. .470 so you have to mix it up. lol. On the real Bonn is a guy that puts a lot of weight into TS% and Berri and that's ok. We just have different opinions.
http://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS
Melo and Harden have substantially similar stats but Melo's stats have come against better competition, substantially.
I am gonna avoid this discussion from here on out. Have at it fellas!
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:tkf wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not only is Carmelo Anthony a much superior offensive player than Gallinari and Lin, he's a better defensive player and leader.Nuff said.
again, this is just an attempt to bait and it addresses nothing in regards to this thread, but I will play along.... even if you are right which I won't bother arguing since you think the world of carmelo.. here is the problem.. he is in a confrence with rondo, wade and lebron... and he isn't better than those guys.. hence the reason why 44% shooting, his lack of defense and lack of leadership won't cut it..
done, and done..i'm out....
Well he is shooting better than or the same as James Harden who you called a beast. So.....
Their TS% are not close actually.
Or another way of looking at it is that Melo is averaging 23.6 PPG on 19.3 FGA. Harden is averaging 26.7 PPG on 18.9 FGA. They're not even close in terms of efficiency. Harden's shot-selection is exactly what Melo's should be like.I have watched Harden and their shot selection is eerily the same down to the face up step back jumper. One had two huge games to combat all the poor ones he had. Another had a single digit game that dropped his avg. I don't mind Melo FG% when he is attacking and getting mutiple rebounds off of it to score. I also realize that Melo is shooting an unusually low Ft%.
You can look at their career numbers if you think this season has too few games. The difference will only become more drastic. I don't know what you mean by their shot selection being similar - Harden's clearly taking shots that he makes at a higher percentage and Melo's taking shots he makes at a lower percentage.
Harden's TS% has been carried by his first 2 amazing games. He has been shooting 373% since. With 4 out of 9 games under 40% and 6 out of 9 games under 45%. At the same time its really his 3pt shooting that has been killing his fg%. He must have a very high 2pt fg %.
CashMoney wrote:We're 7-1 and need to point to Melo's TS%?Give me Harden's TS% at the end of this season as top dog and then let's talk about it.
The team is doing great. I never said otherwise. You can start a positive comments only thread if you think there aren't enough of them. I'd gladly contribute to such a thread because the team is doing many things very well.