Knicks · Carmelo Anthony's MVP Season and the New York Knicks (page 2)
I'm saying that he will be in the race all season because the award goes to the best player on the best (or one of the best) team. And to me, this team can be one of the best this year.
And to say that this team is a lottery team without Carmelo is giving him too much credit. They're a 5-8th seed without him. There's too much other talent, depth, and defense to be a lottery team.
tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
They are shooting very well and it won't continue, but if you think Melo has nothing to do with it then there is no point in this conversation. You are just not watching the games.
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
These are guys who have been efficient their whole careers (Novak, Brewer, Chandler, Kidd, Camby when he returns). It's not Melo - it's the outstanding job Grunwald did. Obviously they're not going to stay this efficient but we will still have a very good offense.Marcus Camby efficient? HA!
Just looked closer at his #s. He has a great impact on the game because of his rebounding and shot-blocking but you are right that he is not efficient on offense. I thought his %s were better than they are.Jason Kidd not to good either but his WS's for the past 3 games is .445!!!! haha
Well, when I talk about offensive efficiency, I mean TS% (not good for Kidd), assist:turnover ratio (very good for Kidd), and number of offensive rebounds relative to what would be expected from a player at your position (pretty good)
Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
They are shooting very well and it won't continue, but if you think Melo has nothing to do with it then there is no point in this conversation. You are just not watching the games.
Exactly...
Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
They are shooting very well and it won't continue, but if you think Melo has nothing to do with it then there is no point in this conversation. You are just not watching the games.
ok, so you admit the shooting won't continue, and since you also feel that carmelo has a lot to do with it, when they stop shooting well are you going to blame him for that? if not, then stop giving him credit...
I am watching the games and there is NOTHING that he is doing that is attributing to guys like brewer hitting threes and rasheed throwing up practice threes that are going in.....
tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
They are shooting very well and it won't continue, but if you think Melo has nothing to do with it then there is no point in this conversation. You are just not watching the games.
ok, so you admit the shooting won't continue, and since you also feel that carmelo has a lot to do with it, when they stop shooting well are you going to blame him for that? if not, then stop giving him credit...I am watching the games and there is NOTHING that he is doing that is attributing to guys like brewer hitting threes and rasheed throwing up practice threes that are going in.....
never underestimate the power of denial
SupremeCommander wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
They are shooting very well and it won't continue, but if you think Melo has nothing to do with it then there is no point in this conversation. You are just not watching the games.
ok, so you admit the shooting won't continue, and since you also feel that carmelo has a lot to do with it, when they stop shooting well are you going to blame him for that? if not, then stop giving him credit...I am watching the games and there is NOTHING that he is doing that is attributing to guys like brewer hitting threes and rasheed throwing up practice threes that are going in.....
never underestimate the power of denial
Do you have any evidence for this idea that Melo improves the shooting of his teammates? Is there a long list of players' whose percentages plummeted after no longer being on Melo's team?
If you were arguing that Steve Nash or Jason Kidd improve the offense of their teammates, I'd find it much more plausible.
Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
They are shooting very well and it won't continue, but if you think Melo has nothing to do with it then there is no point in this conversation. You are just not watching the games.
ok, so you admit the shooting won't continue, and since you also feel that carmelo has a lot to do with it, when they stop shooting well are you going to blame him for that? if not, then stop giving him credit...I am watching the games and there is NOTHING that he is doing that is attributing to guys like brewer hitting threes and rasheed throwing up practice threes that are going in.....
never underestimate the power of denial
Do you have any evidence for this idea that Melo improves the shooting of his teammates? Is there a long list of players' whose percentages plummeted after no longer being on Melo's team?If you were arguing that Steve Nash or Jason Kidd improve the offense of their teammates, I'd find it much more plausible.
Thats because you don't watch the games. Numbers don't tell the whole story. Guys have to hit shots, but passing out of a double team and the ball swinging quickly to the opposite side of the double are creating wide open looks. And we have better shooters on the floor now.
MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
They are shooting very well and it won't continue, but if you think Melo has nothing to do with it then there is no point in this conversation. You are just not watching the games.
ok, so you admit the shooting won't continue, and since you also feel that carmelo has a lot to do with it, when they stop shooting well are you going to blame him for that? if not, then stop giving him credit...I am watching the games and there is NOTHING that he is doing that is attributing to guys like brewer hitting threes and rasheed throwing up practice threes that are going in.....
never underestimate the power of denial
Do you have any evidence for this idea that Melo improves the shooting of his teammates? Is there a long list of players' whose percentages plummeted after no longer being on Melo's team?If you were arguing that Steve Nash or Jason Kidd improve the offense of their teammates, I'd find it much more plausible.
Thats because you don't watch the games. Numbers don't tell the whole story. Guys have to hit shots, but passing out of a double team and the ball swinging quickly to the opposite side of the double are creating wide open looks. And we have better shooters on the floor now.
Who the hell watches games?
Basketball is meant to be studied and enjoyed with spreadsheets and algorithms. Watching the games just dilute the clarity of the numbers.
Watching games are for losers.
"I'm going to stay on Melo just like I stay on the guy who plays the least minutes. It's got to be that way."
- Mike Woodson
tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
They are shooting very well and it won't continue, but if you think Melo has nothing to do with it then there is no point in this conversation. You are just not watching the games.
ok, so you admit the shooting won't continue, and since you also feel that carmelo has a lot to do with it, when they stop shooting well are you going to blame him for that? if not, then stop giving him credit...I am watching the games and there is NOTHING that he is doing that is attributing to guys like brewer hitting threes and rasheed throwing up practice threes that are going in.....
Only thing Melo can get credit for is if they are getting open or better looks based off the attention he draws. If they miss or make the shot its on them. And that can't be evaluated by the stat sheet at the end of the game.
Bonn1997 wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
These are guys who have been efficient their whole careers (Novak, Brewer, Chandler, Kidd, Camby when he returns). It's not Melo - it's the outstanding job Grunwald did. Obviously they're not going to stay this efficient but we will still have a very good offense.
Its called putting people in position to succced by complimenting there game. Its funny that now its all of a sudden because he got shooters because of grunwald when last season it was argued that he just doesn't win or take good shots period not because of the team around him and everything else was excuses.
newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
These are guys who have been efficient their whole careers (Novak, Brewer, Chandler, Kidd, Camby when he returns). It's not Melo - it's the outstanding job Grunwald did. Obviously they're not going to stay this efficient but we will still have a very good offense.Its called putting people in position to succced by complimenting there game. Its funny that now its all of a sudden because he got shooters because of grunwald when last season it was argued that he just doesn't win or take good shots period not because of the team around him and everything else was excuses.
you guys act as if the knicks are 82-0 , after 3 games there is just no evidence to prove this so called "carmelo effect"...jeez....
tkf wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
These are guys who have been efficient their whole careers (Novak, Brewer, Chandler, Kidd, Camby when he returns). It's not Melo - it's the outstanding job Grunwald did. Obviously they're not going to stay this efficient but we will still have a very good offense.Its called putting people in position to succced by complimenting there game. Its funny that now its all of a sudden because he got shooters because of grunwald when last season it was argued that he just doesn't win or take good shots period not because of the team around him and everything else was excuses.
you guys act as if the knicks are 82-0 , after 3 games there is just no evidence to prove this so called "carmelo effect"...jeez....
No matter what happens, you will smell these thread and say the shyt the whole year - even if they go 82-0
"82 and 0 - big deal!"
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mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
These are guys who have been efficient their whole careers (Novak, Brewer, Chandler, Kidd, Camby when he returns). It's not Melo - it's the outstanding job Grunwald did. Obviously they're not going to stay this efficient but we will still have a very good offense.Its called putting people in position to succced by complimenting there game. Its funny that now its all of a sudden because he got shooters because of grunwald when last season it was argued that he just doesn't win or take good shots period not because of the team around him and everything else was excuses.
you guys act as if the knicks are 82-0 , after 3 games there is just no evidence to prove this so called "carmelo effect"...jeez....
No matter what happens, you will smell these thread and say the shyt the whole year - even if they go 82-0
"82 and 0 - big deal!"
family life good?
my family life is my business..
and no matter what happens if we go 3-79, we will see carmelo for president threads.... with you leading the charge.... the cfarmelo coalition lives on.......
4 more years!!!
4 more years!!!!
MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
They are shooting very well and it won't continue, but if you think Melo has nothing to do with it then there is no point in this conversation. You are just not watching the games.
ok, so you admit the shooting won't continue, and since you also feel that carmelo has a lot to do with it, when they stop shooting well are you going to blame him for that? if not, then stop giving him credit...I am watching the games and there is NOTHING that he is doing that is attributing to guys like brewer hitting threes and rasheed throwing up practice threes that are going in.....
never underestimate the power of denial
Do you have any evidence for this idea that Melo improves the shooting of his teammates? Is there a long list of players' whose percentages plummeted after no longer being on Melo's team?If you were arguing that Steve Nash or Jason Kidd improve the offense of their teammates, I'd find it much more plausible.
Thats because you don't watch the games. Numbers don't tell the whole story. Guys have to hit shots, but passing out of a double team and the ball swinging quickly to the opposite side of the double are creating wide open looks. And we have better shooters on the floor now.
You're just repeating your hypothesis. I was asking for evidence.
newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
These are guys who have been efficient their whole careers (Novak, Brewer, Chandler, Kidd, Camby when he returns). It's not Melo - it's the outstanding job Grunwald did. Obviously they're not going to stay this efficient but we will still have a very good offense.Its called putting people in position to succced by complimenting there game. Its funny that now its all of a sudden because he got shooters because of grunwald when last season it was argued that he just doesn't win or take good shots period not because of the team around him and everything else was excuses.
When I call him Mr. .470, I'm just giving his supporters a hard time. Team success is dependent on 12 players. I would never look at the record those 12 players have produced and attribute it to any one player. The .470 record occurred because the Melo trade drained the entire team and it took 2 years and brilliant work by Grunwald to recover from it. It was more a reflection on the entire Melo trade than on Melo himself.
tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
These are guys who have been efficient their whole careers (Novak, Brewer, Chandler, Kidd, Camby when he returns). It's not Melo - it's the outstanding job Grunwald did. Obviously they're not going to stay this efficient but we will still have a very good offense.Its called putting people in position to succced by complimenting there game. Its funny that now its all of a sudden because he got shooters because of grunwald when last season it was argued that he just doesn't win or take good shots period not because of the team around him and everything else was excuses.
you guys act as if the knicks are 82-0 , after 3 games there is just no evidence to prove this so called "carmelo effect"...jeez....
No matter what happens, you will smell these thread and say the shyt the whole year - even if they go 82-0
"82 and 0 - big deal!"
family life good?
my family life is my business..and no matter what happens if we go 3-79, we will see carmelo for president threads.... with you leading the charge.... the cfarmelo coalition lives on.......
4 more years!!!4 more years!!!!
Or ... we'll have the sad angry dissenters flailing as they are sinking into the cold murky waters with their embedded anger and sadness.
Sometimes hate needs to be buried in order to foster positive change for everyone else.
Go KNICKS!
82-0? Who cares! It ain't pretty and I hate IT!
mrKnickShot wrote:]Who the hell watches games?
Basketball is meant to be studied and enjoyed with spreadsheets and algorithms. Watching the games just dilute the clarity of the numbers.
Watching games are for losers.
That could an opening to a seminar.
"People I'm here to show you a better way to enjoy your Basketball games.........."
tkf wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.
I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.
It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.
Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.
that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..
These are guys who have been efficient their whole careers (Novak, Brewer, Chandler, Kidd, Camby when he returns). It's not Melo - it's the outstanding job Grunwald did. Obviously they're not going to stay this efficient but we will still have a very good offense.Its called putting people in position to succced by complimenting there game. Its funny that now its all of a sudden because he got shooters because of grunwald when last season it was argued that he just doesn't win or take good shots period not because of the team around him and everything else was excuses.
you guys act as if the knicks are 82-0 , after 3 games there is just no evidence to prove this so called "carmelo effect"...jeez....
Well since Woody and Melo have been given full control, besides playing the best team in basketball in the playoffs. This team has looked pretty damn good for 30+ games now. They have been playing defense, using ball movement, knocking down 3s and winning games.
You guys keep talking about the 3s won't keep dropping which is true, we will still hit a solid amount though. But what about the defense? What about the limited turn overs from the offense and high volume from the defense? These aren't aborations becaus we have players that play good defense and we have players that can hit open 3s. Its not like we have scrubs playing out of there minds.