Knicks · Carmelo Anthony's MVP Season and the New York Knicks (page 4)

Bonn1997 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

3G4G wrote:This argument is so ridiculous...tkf is spot right on pizznizznoint.

Has anyone even bothered to look up the damage the team is doing when Melo is on the bench? I guess not as they must peak-a-boo the games Melo on or off the court.

If anything a stronger case would be made because the Knicks are spread out and hitting shots on a consistent basis it's opening up the game for Melo more so. Kind of like what I used to say when the kids were here while Amar'e was playing well. They made him better, not the other way around, and I'm starting to see more of this with the current team we have for Melo.

Guys no need to set yourself up to be a Melo Martyr....

Star players like Carmelo Anthony open up the game for role players.

How is it the other way around?

Efficient scorers open up the offense for inefficient players. How could it be the other way around?

Anji wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

3G4G wrote:This argument is so ridiculous...tkf is spot right on pizznizznoint.

Has anyone even bothered to look up the damage the team is doing when Melo is on the bench? I guess not as they must peak-a-boo the games Melo on or off the court.

If anything a stronger case would be made because the Knicks are spread out and hitting shots on a consistent basis it's opening up the game for Melo more so. Kind of like what I used to say when the kids were here while Amar'e was playing well. They made him better, not the other way around, and I'm starting to see more of this with the current team we have for Melo.

Guys no need to set yourself up to be a Melo Martyr....

Star players like Carmelo Anthony open up the game for role players.

How is it the other way around?

Efficient scorers open up the offense for inefficient players. How could it be the other way around?

Yeah this must be why they were all let go, they opened up the floor too much.

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.

I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.

I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.

It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.

Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.

Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.

that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..

They are shooting very well and it won't continue, but if you think Melo has nothing to do with it then there is no point in this conversation. You are just not watching the games.

ok, so you admit the shooting won't continue, and since you also feel that carmelo has a lot to do with it, when they stop shooting well are you going to blame him for that? if not, then stop giving him credit...

I am watching the games and there is NOTHING that he is doing that is attributing to guys like brewer hitting threes and rasheed throwing up practice threes that are going in.....

never underestimate the power of denial

Do you have any evidence for this idea that Melo improves the shooting of his teammates? Is there a long list of players' whose percentages plummeted after no longer being on Melo's team?

If you were arguing that Steve Nash or Jason Kidd improve the offense of their teammates, I'd find it much more plausible.

I would go to 82games.com if they started analyzing this year's data because I'm 99 percent certain I could give you that quantifiable empirical evidence you desire oh so much

what I can tell you is that defenses sag on Melo. you don't need to be a rocket scientist or brain surgeon to see that. If you think that extra half second that guys like Brewer get from that extra attention doesn't matter, you are insane

Now people think Carmelo gets looks because opposing teams defend role players more lol.

I can't believe some people's views on sports.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:I should've never created this thread.

Now people think Carmelo gets looks because opposing teams defend role players more lol.

I can't believe some people's views on sports.

The only concern i have is Melo isn't in the top 5 of the teams fg%.

The role players absolutely get great looks.

27/56 thats 48%

That Miami he was mauled like 5 times at the rim do you even watch the games

Like really, he's playing at a high level and gets no credit, the entire team is playing well but it starts with your best player. Take Melo out and put in Gallinari and we're 2-2, maybe

Melo's defense has been absolutely crucial to our success

just stop with the hate its getting old

GodNa7ion wrote:Melo shot 10-28 1 game every other game he's efficient

27/56 thats 48%

That Miami he was mauled like 5 times at the rim do you even watch the games

Like really, he's playing at a high level and gets no credit, the entire team is playing well but it starts with your best player. Take Melo out and put in Gallinari and we're 2-2, maybe

Melo's defense has been absolutely crucial to our success

just stop with the hate its getting old

That doesn't look right, I refuse to think he only took 28 shots the rest of the series.

I know that isn't right, and the % is waaaay off.

knickscity wrote:

GodNa7ion wrote:Melo shot 10-28 1 game every other game he's efficient

27/56 thats 48%

That Miami he was mauled like 5 times at the rim do you even watch the games

Like really, he's playing at a high level and gets no credit, the entire team is playing well but it starts with your best player. Take Melo out and put in Gallinari and we're 2-2, maybe

Melo's defense has been absolutely crucial to our success

just stop with the hate its getting old

That doesn't look right, I refuse to think he only took 28 shots the rest of the series.

I know that isn't right, and the % is waaaay off.

I'm talking about this year, TKF's reference to his 10/28 game

knickscity wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:I should've never created this thread.

Now people think Carmelo gets looks because opposing teams defend role players more lol.

I can't believe some people's views on sports.

The only concern i have is Melo isn't in the top 5 of the teams fg%.

The role players absolutely get great looks.

LMAO @ fans defying +/- stats....Look when Melo is on the bench the team is still doing well

http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/...

Check out all the player combinations and you'll see plenty of lineups in the positive on with +/-

3G4G wrote:

knickscity wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:I should've never created this thread.

Now people think Carmelo gets looks because opposing teams defend role players more lol.

I can't believe some people's views on sports.

The only concern i have is Melo isn't in the top 5 of the teams fg%.

The role players absolutely get great looks.

LMAO @ fans defying +/- stats....Look when Melo is on the bench the team is still doing well

http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/...

Check out all the player combinations and you'll see plenty of lineups in the positive on with +/-

the highest plus minus after the starting 5 is 8, Melo is is also in our top +/- as well as a +39 in his 112 minutes on the floor

next excuse please

GodNa7ion wrote:

3G4G wrote:

knickscity wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:I should've never created this thread.

Now people think Carmelo gets looks because opposing teams defend role players more lol.

I can't believe some people's views on sports.

The only concern i have is Melo isn't in the top 5 of the teams fg%.

The role players absolutely get great looks.

LMAO @ fans defying +/- stats....Look when Melo is on the bench the team is still doing well

http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/...

Check out all the player combinations and you'll see plenty of lineups in the positive on with +/-

the highest plus minus after the starting 5 is 8, Melo is is also in our top +/- as well as a +39 in his 112 minutes on the floor

next excuse please

No do 4 player combinations and 3 player combinations and 2 player combinations

Which means no matter who the 5th or 4th and 5th or 3rd, 4th, and 5th player..... we have lineups with very good plus minus numbers. So no All Glory Praise and Honor does not fall on Melo's Msg Board Throne.

lol @ not understanding Arithmetic and working Submenus

GodNa7ion wrote:never said Melo gets all the praise and glory but he's having an MVP caliber start

As are about 10 other NBA Players......and no one is narrowing down MVPs after 4gms

GodNa7ion wrote:never said Melo gets all the praise and glory but he's having an MVP caliber start

He's getting alot of help, his presence is partly responsible, but he isn't doing it alone.

Also 10 other players like who

Carmelo, CP3, Duncan and who else has really been MVP like, LeBron's been good but Melo's taken his game to another level this year

Melo's stat actually aren't better than any of his career, some parts are worse.

GodNa7ion wrote:never said he was doing it alone but he's leading us and deserves some credit for our start

Also 10 other players like who

Carmelo, CP3, Duncan and who else has really been MVP like, LeBron's been good but Melo's taken his game to another level this year

Players not named Melo....

CP3
Duncan
Lebron
Durant
Rondo
Zach Randolph
Jrue Holiday
James Harden
Kenneth Faried
Luol Deng
O.J. Mayo
Anthony Davis

Last But Not Least......... RONNIE BREWER

knickscity wrote:If it ended today Durant would win it.

Melo's stat actually aren't better than any of his career, some parts are worse.

Durant would what?????

knickscity wrote:

GodNa7ion wrote:never said Melo gets all the praise and glory but he's having an MVP caliber start

I like Melo but really he isn't.

He's getting alot of help, his presence is partly responsible, but he isn't doing it alone.

Name some MVPs who didn't have help.

mrKnickShot wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.

I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.

I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.

It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.

Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.

Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.

that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..

They are shooting very well and it won't continue, but if you think Melo has nothing to do with it then there is no point in this conversation. You are just not watching the games.

ok, so you admit the shooting won't continue, and since you also feel that carmelo has a lot to do with it, when they stop shooting well are you going to blame him for that? if not, then stop giving him credit...

I am watching the games and there is NOTHING that he is doing that is attributing to guys like brewer hitting threes and rasheed throwing up practice threes that are going in.....

never underestimate the power of denial

Do you have any evidence for this idea that Melo improves the shooting of his teammates? Is there a long list of players' whose percentages plummeted after no longer being on Melo's team?

If you were arguing that Steve Nash or Jason Kidd improve the offense of their teammates, I'd find it much more plausible.

Thats because you don't watch the games. Numbers don't tell the whole story. Guys have to hit shots, but passing out of a double team and the ball swinging quickly to the opposite side of the double are creating wide open looks. And we have better shooters on the floor now.

Who the hell watches games?

Basketball is meant to be studied and enjoyed with spreadsheets and algorithms. Watching the games just dilute the clarity of the numbers.

Watching games are for losers.

LMAO...I swear when these guys decide to watch a Knick game this what they see...