Here's what I'd like to see, roughly, when Camby's back to full speed:
Chandler: 30
Camby: 20
Thomas: 10
Wallace: 10
Melo: 35
Novak: 15
Brewer: 25
Smith: 25
Kidd: 20
Felton: 35
Prig: 15
11-man rotation
When Stat comes back to full speed:
Stat: 25
Thomas: 0
Wallace: 0
Brewer: 20
10-man rotation
When Shump comes back:
Shump: 25
Prig: 0
Felton: 30
Kidd: 20
10-man rotation
Thoughts?
I think minutes depends on how well Rasheed continues to do. If he is in good shape by the time Amare comes back then he would be perfect for Amar'e because he can space the floor and allow Amar'e to be the primary PnR screener. He is also a good defender that talks and could maybe keep Amar'e in line.
I also doubt Shump will play 25 minutes when he comes back but in all it is to early to tell.
I'd prefer to see Camby around 15-18 mpg. Also, Novak is by far our best shooter and needs to play more than 15 mpg in order to keep opposing defenses honest. Right now he's playing 24 mpg and that feels about right.
Imagine how hard the big men can go once everyone is back and how versatile the knicks will be and still have size on the floor.
Could Tyson and Camby form a twin tower duo similar to Duncan and Robinson or is the lack of scoring too much?
Then on the second unit you move Stat to the 5 like he was in PHX and put Sheed in at the 4, I suppose you can slot Campy at the 5, Stat at the 4 and Sheed at the 3. Either way I think Amare is best used as the scoring on the second unit - this way you have the firepower of Melo and Stat and neither of them have to worry about adjusting their games to each other.
I know a lot of people think Amare will come back as a starter and that he should because he makes big $$$ and he is Stat. But seriously, its time for LJ to sit him down and talk about career longevity and re-creating himself. We don't know if he will come back as the same player but I think with the right adjustments we can get 2 more productive years out of him barring anything career ending.
I love Stat and it doesnt matter to me if he is a starter, I will always see him as a talented basketball player.
OasisBU wrote:Could Tyson and Camby form a twin tower duo similar to Duncan and Robinson or is the lack of scoring too much?Then on the second unit you move Stat to the 5 like he was in PHX and put Sheed in at the 4, I suppose you can slot Campy at the 5, Stat at the 4 and Sheed at the 3. Either way I think Amare is best used as the scoring on the second unit - this way you have the firepower of Melo and Stat and neither of them have to worry about adjusting their games to each other.
I know a lot of people think Amare will come back as a starter and that he should because he makes big $$$ and he is Stat. But seriously, its time for LJ to sit him down and talk about career longevity and re-creating himself. We don't know if he will come back as the same player but I think with the right adjustments we can get 2 more productive years out of him barring anything career ending.
I love Stat and it doesnt matter to me if he is a starter, I will always see him as a talented basketball player.
Id Stat is knocking down his jumper he is fine and would work great in the line up. Woodson and the coaches had a plan for Amar'e. Carmelo, and Tyson to work together and should give it a go. I really think they tried to work on their two man game with Melo and STat and we saw it some last year after Woodson took over and briefly in the pre-season.
Nice work Bernard. Howsineva, you ALWAYS must account for things being less than perfect. This is Knicksland, where one should ALWAYS expect the unexpected.
Here's how it goes down:
Center
Chandler: 30, the jumper was a nice decoy. He is injured in January and misses 2-3 weeks.
Camby: 12 (6 each in the second and early fourth quarters) He will turn his ankle in January but be ready for the playoffs
Sheed: 12 good minutes in the third quarter. Could easily run with the starters during Chandler's January injury. Being 6'11 helps too.
Forwards
Carmelo: 38, he jams his wrist in February at The NBA All Star Game. Out 4 weeks.
Thomas: 10-15, once his shot starts to drop, Prigioni will find him even more during Carmelo's time on injured list.
Brewer: 30, steady surprise.
Novak: 16
Amar'e Stoudemire is not walkin' through that door anytime soon. Not convinced he can play Woodson's defense.
Guards
Felton: 28, averaging 9 assists per game by January
Kidd: 18 (split between first and fourth quarters)
Prig: 20 (split between second and third quarter)
JR Smith: 24, if he gets hot, better give him some room.
Shump sits until next season. ACL are nothing to rush back from. Chicago would be wise to do the same with Rose.
Best five finish.
misterearl wrote:Nice work Bernard. Howsineva, you ALWAYS must account for things being less than perfect. This is Knicksland, where one should ALWAYS expect the unexpected.Here's how it goes down:
Center
Chandler: 30, the jumper was a nice decoy. He is injured in January and misses 2-3 weeks.
Camby: 12 (6 each in the second and early fourth quarters) He will turn his ankle in January but be ready for the playoffs
Sheed: 12 good minutes in the third quarter. Could easily run with the starters during Chandler's January injury. Being 6'11 helps too.
Forwards
Carmelo: 38, he jams his wrist in February at The NBA All Star Game. Out 4 weeks.
Thomas: 10-15, once his shot starts to drop, Prigioni will find him even more during Carmelo's time on injured list.
Brewer: 30, steady surprise.
Novak: 16
Amar'e Stoudemire is not walkin' through that door anytime soon. Not convinced he can play Woodson's defense.
Guards
Felton: 28, averaging 9 assists per game by January
Kidd: 18 (split between first and fourth quarters)
Prig: 20 (split between second and third quarter)
JR Smith: 24, if he gets hot, better give him some room.
Shump sits until next season. ACL are nothing to rush back from. Chicago would be wise to do the same with Rose.
Best five finish.
You're crazy if you believe Stat is going to be a benchwarmer when he's healthy.
Crazy
VCoug wrote:
You're crazy if you believe Stat is going to be a benchwarmer when he's healthy.
Read my lips. Amare Stoudemire is not walking through that door. He could be done.
misterearl wrote:CrazyVCoug wrote:
You're crazy if you believe Stat is going to be a benchwarmer when he's healthy.
Read my lips. Amare Stoudemire is not walking through that door. He could be done.
You mean health wise? That's different but I don't think I agree with you. As long as he comes off the bench and his minutes are used wisely I believe that he'll be able play until at least his early to mid thirties.
You Don't Have Your Health, You Got Nothin'
VCoug wrote:You mean health wise? That's different but I don't think I agree with you. As long as he comes off the bench and his minutes are used wisely I believe that he'll be able play until at least his early to mid thirties.
VCoug - the signs regarding Amare Stoudemire and his past surgeries are not encouraging. Rather than assuming he will magically reappear the same player he was is not wise. Basketball players endure significant pain under normal circumstances, let alone after multiple surgeries.
One afternoon, on a game day, I had the opportunity to visit the trainers room of a NBA franchise. It was not pretty. There were men seated everywhere being treated for various aches and pains. The point? Behind the scenes, there is much more going on with treatment than most fans ever see... and that is for the players considered "healthy."
Amare Stoudemire has been pounding those knees for more than a decade of heavy-duty use. He is coming off another surgery. Rather than expecting him to return again, it would be a blessing that he is able to walk erect, and without a cane, ten years from now.
VCoug wrote:misterearl wrote:Nice work Bernard. Howsineva, you ALWAYS must account for things being less than perfect. This is Knicksland, where one should ALWAYS expect the unexpected.Here's how it goes down:
Center
Chandler: 30, the jumper was a nice decoy. He is injured in January and misses 2-3 weeks.
Camby: 12 (6 each in the second and early fourth quarters) He will turn his ankle in January but be ready for the playoffs
Sheed: 12 good minutes in the third quarter. Could easily run with the starters during Chandler's January injury. Being 6'11 helps too.
Forwards
Carmelo: 38, he jams his wrist in February at The NBA All Star Game. Out 4 weeks.
Thomas: 10-15, once his shot starts to drop, Prigioni will find him even more during Carmelo's time on injured list.
Brewer: 30, steady surprise.
Novak: 16
Amar'e Stoudemire is not walkin' through that door anytime soon. Not convinced he can play Woodson's defense.
Guards
Felton: 28, averaging 9 assists per game by January
Kidd: 18 (split between first and fourth quarters)
Prig: 20 (split between second and third quarter)
JR Smith: 24, if he gets hot, better give him some room.
Shump sits until next season. ACL are nothing to rush back from. Chicago would be wise to do the same with Rose.
Best five finish.
You're crazy if you believe Stat is going to be a benchwarmer when he's healthy.
You're crazy if you can actually say (or type) the words "when he's healthy"
misterearl wrote:You Don't Have Your Health, You Got Nothin'VCoug wrote:You mean health wise? That's different but I don't think I agree with you. As long as he comes off the bench and his minutes are used wisely I believe that he'll be able play until at least his early to mid thirties.
VCoug - the signs regarding Amare Stoudemire and his past surgeries are not encouraging. Rather than assuming he will magically reappear the same player he was is not wise. Basketball players endure significant pain under normal circumstances, let alone after multiple surgeries.
One afternoon, on a game day, I had the opportunity to visit the trainers room of a NBA franchise. It was not pretty. There were men seated everywhere being treated for various aches and pains. The point? Behind the scenes, there is much more going on with treatment than most fans ever see... and that is for the players considered "healthy."
Amare Stoudemire has been pounding those knees for more than a decade of heavy-duty use. He is coming off another surgery. Rather than expecting him to return again, it would be a blessing that he is able to walk erect, and without a cane, ten years from now.
I don't believe that he'll be the same player he was in Phoenix or his first half-season with us. But, I do believe that if his minutes are limited to under 30/game and he comes off the bench instead of starting he can still be a valuable player for us.
mrKnickShot wrote:VCoug wrote:misterearl wrote:Nice work Bernard. Howsineva, you ALWAYS must account for things being less than perfect. This is Knicksland, where one should ALWAYS expect the unexpected.Here's how it goes down:
Center
Chandler: 30, the jumper was a nice decoy. He is injured in January and misses 2-3 weeks.
Camby: 12 (6 each in the second and early fourth quarters) He will turn his ankle in January but be ready for the playoffs
Sheed: 12 good minutes in the third quarter. Could easily run with the starters during Chandler's January injury. Being 6'11 helps too.
Forwards
Carmelo: 38, he jams his wrist in February at The NBA All Star Game. Out 4 weeks.
Thomas: 10-15, once his shot starts to drop, Prigioni will find him even more during Carmelo's time on injured list.
Brewer: 30, steady surprise.
Novak: 16
Amar'e Stoudemire is not walkin' through that door anytime soon. Not convinced he can play Woodson's defense.
Guards
Felton: 28, averaging 9 assists per game by January
Kidd: 18 (split between first and fourth quarters)
Prig: 20 (split between second and third quarter)
JR Smith: 24, if he gets hot, better give him some room.
Shump sits until next season. ACL are nothing to rush back from. Chicago would be wise to do the same with Rose.
Best five finish.
You're crazy if you believe Stat is going to be a benchwarmer when he's healthy.
You're crazy if you can actually say (or type) the words "when he's healthy"
Healthy is relative and I don't believe he'll ever be completely healthy. I should have written "when he's healthy enough to play again."
VCoug wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:VCoug wrote:misterearl wrote:Nice work Bernard. Howsineva, you ALWAYS must account for things being less than perfect. This is Knicksland, where one should ALWAYS expect the unexpected.Here's how it goes down:
Center
Chandler: 30, the jumper was a nice decoy. He is injured in January and misses 2-3 weeks.
Camby: 12 (6 each in the second and early fourth quarters) He will turn his ankle in January but be ready for the playoffs
Sheed: 12 good minutes in the third quarter. Could easily run with the starters during Chandler's January injury. Being 6'11 helps too.
Forwards
Carmelo: 38, he jams his wrist in February at The NBA All Star Game. Out 4 weeks.
Thomas: 10-15, once his shot starts to drop, Prigioni will find him even more during Carmelo's time on injured list.
Brewer: 30, steady surprise.
Novak: 16
Amar'e Stoudemire is not walkin' through that door anytime soon. Not convinced he can play Woodson's defense.
Guards
Felton: 28, averaging 9 assists per game by January
Kidd: 18 (split between first and fourth quarters)
Prig: 20 (split between second and third quarter)
JR Smith: 24, if he gets hot, better give him some room.
Shump sits until next season. ACL are nothing to rush back from. Chicago would be wise to do the same with Rose.
Best five finish.
You're crazy if you believe Stat is going to be a benchwarmer when he's healthy.
You're crazy if you can actually say (or type) the words "when he's healthy"
Healthy is relative and I don't believe he'll ever be completely healthy. I should have written "when he's healthy enough to play again."
Either way, Woody ain't stupid. He will not start or play if he is hurting the team. He is not owed or entitled to anything. 100 million dollar golden parachute is more than enough.
If Stat comes back healthy, I'd make sure one of he and Melo is always on the floor, like Oasis and others say. That means, assuming Melo and Stat play about 60 mins between them, they're only on the floor at the same time for 12 minutes a game. Hopefully, Stat is still one of our top players and we can be productive when they're both playing ... in which case about 6 of those 12 minutes would be closing the game. The other 6 could be the first 6 minutes of the game or some other part of the 1st half... doesn't matter to me.
I also take YellowBoy and others' point about Sheed. Still an unknown. If he keeps coming on, he will earn continued minutes. After all, he was a better player than Camby or KT when they were all in their prime, and he's not older than those guys, so who's to say he won't be better than them this season. And as a stretch 4 or 5 who plays tough D, he could give Woody some interesting options, helping us keep the paint open for Stat and Melo.
Without Stoudemire the menu is still very tasty
Now - Tyson/ Carmelo/ Brewer
Later - Camby/ Thomas/ Novak
Big Ups - Chandler/ Sheed/ Camby (yes, Camby can get out on a three)
The Pine Brother Ball - Sheed/ Copeland/ White
I love having this problem. Too many good players and how to divide up the time.
Obviously on back to backs, Woodson can sit one of the older players in the first game and play him in the second, while resting one of the other older players.
yellowboy90 wrote:OasisBU wrote:Could Tyson and Camby form a twin tower duo similar to Duncan and Robinson or is the lack of scoring too much?Then on the second unit you move Stat to the 5 like he was in PHX and put Sheed in at the 4, I suppose you can slot Campy at the 5, Stat at the 4 and Sheed at the 3. Either way I think Amare is best used as the scoring on the second unit - this way you have the firepower of Melo and Stat and neither of them have to worry about adjusting their games to each other.
I know a lot of people think Amare will come back as a starter and that he should because he makes big $$$ and he is Stat. But seriously, its time for LJ to sit him down and talk about career longevity and re-creating himself. We don't know if he will come back as the same player but I think with the right adjustments we can get 2 more productive years out of him barring anything career ending.
I love Stat and it doesnt matter to me if he is a starter, I will always see him as a talented basketball player.
Id Stat is knocking down his jumper he is fine and would work great in the line up. Woodson and the coaches had a plan for Amar'e. Carmelo, and Tyson to work together and should give it a go. I really think they tried to work on their two man game with Melo and STat and we saw it some last year after Woodson took over and briefly in the pre-season.
I doubt you'll ever see Camby and tyson on the floor together once amare get back..For 1 the league Has to many teams that go small..But I love the idea of sheed and amare for stretches..I think you can get so creative with this line up cause it's so many guys that can play 2 positons effectively on both ends..
