NBA · dantoni new coach of Lakers (page 5)

ChuckBuck wrote:All I know is either Pau or Dwight is going to be very unhappy with this offense. Only reason it worked in Phoenix is you had Boris Diaw running Point Center shooting 3s lol. Dwight gotta start practicing those J's...

Boris Diaw is the only reason it worked?!
They went 62-20 under MDA in 2004-5 (a year before Diaw joined the team). That's like Woodson's famous 18-6 finish last year but maintained over a full season.

ChuckBuck wrote:All I know is either Pau or Dwight is going to be very unhappy with this offense. Only reason it worked in Phoenix is you had Boris Diaw running Point Center shooting 3s lol. Dwight gotta start practicing those J's...

How uninformed is this comment? You really think that what you wrote is an accurate depiction of what worked in PHX? Skilled and high BB IQ players thrive in MDA's system. That's the real secret to how this will work. A player like Pau is not going to have problems with a more Euro style of BB. Pau already assists Howard on easy scores, why would that not get even better? MDA loves ball movement and player movement.

holfresh wrote:This is going to be priceless...Kobe you stand over here in the corner..No sir, I play my game over here, posting and toasting, slashing to the basket..No, son, our PG will control the ball now, and he will run the pick and roll with Dwight...Pau u stand in the other corner...U both will wait here for the open three...Awesome, sounds like a plan...

This makes no sense since MDA will make use of ANY playmaker no matter what position they play!!! That's why Diaw had success. You spread the floor in order to create the space to attack the basket. If you knew anything about MDA, then you'd know that he's had some of the most efficient offenses in the NBA. The only time that hasn't happened is when he's had no playmakers anywhere on his roster.

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is going to be priceless...Kobe you stand over here in the corner..No sir, I play my game over here, posting and toasting, slashing to the basket..No, son, our PG will control the ball now, and he will run the pick and roll with Dwight...Pau u stand in the other corner...U both will wait here for the open three...Awesome, sounds like a plan...

Well maybe D'AnToni is learning a thing or three...supposedly Nate MacMillan will anchor the defensive coaching responsibilities.

Nate McMillan the next Laker coach. Lol.

One recently quit and one was recently fired....... not sure how one would have the leg up over the other should their hire roles be reversed.

Chances of Dwight Howard leaving the Lakers this summer have improved too.

D'Antoni shoud be good for a few quotes as well.

Good guy, dealt a tough hand in NYC. Wish him the best. Hope the Lakers get crunched by us.

AnubisADL wrote:Chances of Dwight Howard leaving the Lakers this summer have improved too.

D'Antoni shoud be good for a few quotes as well.

I do believe the style of play and overall team success could play a factor. Speaking through the media Howard and Kobe have already not been on the same page.

D'Antoni has a really talented team and a chance to make a lot of people eat crow.

AnubisADL wrote:Lol. If D'Antoni didnt like Melo then he will HATE Kobe.

No post plays for Howard either.

brown deserved to be fired for implementing an offense that suited nobody. moronic

so you can't say whether bryant will balk at pick and roll guard-centric offense or not, unless you are god and know what is in a man's heart.

the difference between melo and bryant is that while both are unconscionable chuckers, the former is incapable of playmaking for others while the latter capable if not willing. so it is question of bryant's willingness not his capacity to work with nash in d'antoni's offense.

howard will be only too happy to receive perfectly-placed bounce passes in stride and rhythm as he finishes.

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is going to be priceless...Kobe you stand over here in the corner..No sir, I play my game over here, posting and toasting, slashing to the basket..No, son, our PG will control the ball now, and he will run the pick and roll with Dwight...Pau u stand in the other corner...U both will wait here for the open three...Awesome, sounds like a plan...

Well maybe D'AnToni is learning a thing or three...supposedly Nate MacMillan will anchor the defensive coaching responsibilities.

Nate McMillan the next Laker coach. Lol.

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Lol. If D'Antoni didnt like Melo then he will HATE Kobe.

No post plays for Howard either.

brown deserved to be fired for implementing an offense that suited nobody. moronic

so you can't say whether bryant will balk at pick and roll guard-centric offense or not, unless you are god and know what is in a man's heart.

the difference between melo and bryant is that while both are unconscionable chuckers, the former is incapable of playmaking for others while the latter capable if not willing. so it is question of bryant's willingness not his capacity to work with nash in d'antoni's offense.

howard will be only too happy to receive perfectly-placed bounce passes in stride and rhythm as he finishes.

No coach deserves to be fired after 5gms. Lakers hired Eddie Jordan as an assistant figuring the Princeton offense could benefit the team in time. An offense Antawn Jamison and Steve Blake wer very familiar with. Lakers let go Brown's assistants from the year prior to. Let's face it everyone had an axe to grind with Brown from day 1. Magic Johnson being one of the foremost amongst Laker Nation. Brown should have never been hired in the first place if the Lakers did their homework properly.

Dwight wanted everyone to be patient and he had some pretty solid games his short stint in it. Kuptchak tried to talk them into being more patient with Brown

Mike Brown is known as a defensive specialist and the Lakers improved here as a club after he took over from Phil

Let's see Lakers's brain trust hated the Triangle offense felt it was outdated and stale.....Fired all of Phil's assistants and wanted nothing to do with anyone affiliated with Phil, even Brian Shaw someone Kobe wanted them to strongly consider. Dumped Odom, dumped Fisher, tried to dump Gasol, dumped Bynum for the sexy malcontent star(yep they starfudged like we do here), signed an over the hill point guard in Nash and other well past prime vets, hella over the cap and tax, hardly no youth going forward, not many picks in the fold

So this appears to be almost the workings of a father/son situation rivaling the Dolans in New York. Jerry Buss relinquishes the team over to his son Jim and this dude thinks he's Teflon.

Look I understand trying to do their best to stay relevant but at least be rational throughout the process.

Silverfuel wrote:D'Antoni has a really talented team and a chance to make a lot of people eat crow.

More so than anything MDA does, it's gonna depend on Nash's health.

I am just curious, where is there such a need here to see dantoni fail? I don't get it.. really I don't...

The bottom line is that MDA is a coach that MOST players love to play for. He lets them play and makes the game easier for them. If you have talent like the Lakers then that's even better!!! It made no sense to me at all to get Nash and then have him play in the Princeton or Triangle offense. You get Nash and Dwight then you should think PnR and spread offense! Kobe is a very good passer and in this kind of offense he should be extremely useful not only as a scorer but a playmaker too.

They do have a need for more shooters tho. Jodie Meeks and Jamison can hit from 3. It's not a lot of shooting, but when you factor in Kobe and Nash it may be enough. The fact that Pau can shoot will also help. Metta WP is at least capable of hitting open 3's. I think they'll be able to space the floor enough to make it work. The main thing is the ball and player movement to keep the D off balance.

nixluva wrote:The bottom line is that MDA is a coach that MOST players love to play for. He lets them play and makes the game easier for them. If you have talent like the Lakers then that's even better!!! It made no sense to me at all to get Nash and then have him play in the Princeton or Triangle offense. You get Nash and Dwight then you should think PnR and spread offense! Kobe is a very good passer and in this kind of offense he should be extremely useful not only as a scorer but a playmaker too.

They do have a need for more shooters tho. Jodie Meeks and Jamison can hit from 3. It's not a lot of shooting, but when you factor in Kobe and Nash it may be enough. The fact that Pau can shoot will also help. Metta WP is at least capable of hitting open 3's. I think they'll be able to space the floor enough to make it work. The main thing is the ball and player movement to keep the D off balance.

It will come down to living and dying by the 3 ball. If they miss a lot of shots the Lakers are going to get track meeted off the court.

3G4G wrote:

nixluva wrote:The bottom line is that MDA is a coach that MOST players love to play for. He lets them play and makes the game easier for them. If you have talent like the Lakers then that's even better!!! It made no sense to me at all to get Nash and then have him play in the Princeton or Triangle offense. You get Nash and Dwight then you should think PnR and spread offense! Kobe is a very good passer and in this kind of offense he should be extremely useful not only as a scorer but a playmaker too.

They do have a need for more shooters tho. Jodie Meeks and Jamison can hit from 3. It's not a lot of shooting, but when you factor in Kobe and Nash it may be enough. The fact that Pau can shoot will also help. Metta WP is at least capable of hitting open 3's. I think they'll be able to space the floor enough to make it work. The main thing is the ball and player movement to keep the D off balance.

It will come down to living and dying by the 3 ball. If they miss a lot of shots the Lakers are going to get track meeted off the court.

That is just an oversimplification of what the MDA offense is. In truth the offense is designed for high efficiency and not chucking. The way the offense is designed is to get the ball at the basket as much as possible. Teams try to take that away and you end up with open 3's. Eventually the team gets so used to taking those shots that they get better at it.

You can't think of the offense as make 3's or bust. It's MUCH deeper than that. Now MDA won't be handcuffed cuz Nash KNOWS ALL OF THE OFFENSE!!! In NY we had to dumb it down a lot just to get anything to work.

The Lakers struggle with a team full of superstars, no lockout shorten season, a full training camp and nobody blames the players for not making it work. The Knicks struggle with possibly one superstar Tony Douglas, Laundry Fields as the starting backcourt and its Carmelo's fault.

Anyway Jaimison will see a lot of mins as he can stretch the floor for the Pick and Roll. Gasol can hit 15-18jump shots as well. MDA will look to limit the time that Gasol and Howard play together and instead look to have either one be the P&R focus at center except for the begining of the game and the end of the game. Gasol and Howard also will give MDA the defensive and rebounding cappabilities at center that Amare didn't. Kobe though won't be happy being asked to stand around and shoot 3s though so MDA will probably look to run a lot of PNR with Kobe to get the ball in his hands and give Nash breather.

I hope MDA succeeds but it still won't validate anything with the type of personel he has. Give Woodson that roster he probably goes 78-4 the rest of the way

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Lol. If D'Antoni didnt like Melo then he will HATE Kobe.

No post plays for Howard either.

brown deserved to be fired for implementing an offense that suited nobody. moronic

so you can't say whether bryant will balk at pick and roll guard-centric offense or not, unless you are god and know what is in a man's heart.

the difference between melo and bryant is that while both are unconscionable chuckers, the former is incapable of playmaking for others while the latter capable if not willing. so it is question of bryant's willingness not his capacity to work with nash in d'antoni's offense.

howard will be only too happy to receive perfectly-placed bounce passes in stride and rhythm as he finishes.

No coach deserves to be fired after 5gms. Lakers hired Eddie Jordan as an assistant figuring the Princeton offense could benefit the team in time. An offense Antawn Jamison and Steve Blake wer very familiar with. Lakers let go Brown's assistants from the year prior to. Let's face it everyone had an axe to grind with Brown from day 1. Magic Johnson being one of the foremost amongst Laker Nation. Brown should have never been hired in the first place if the Lakers did their homework properly.

Dwight wanted everyone to be patient and he had some pretty solid games his short stint in it. Kuptchak tried to talk them into being more patient with Brown

Mike Brown is known as a defensive specialist and the Lakers improved here as a club after he took over from Phil

Let's see Lakers's brain trust hated the Triangle offense felt it was outdated and stale.....Fired all of Phil's assistants and wanted nothing to do with anyone affiliated with Phil, even Brian Shaw someone Kobe wanted them to strongly consider. Dumped Odom, dumped Fisher, tried to dump Gasol, dumped Bynum for the sexy malcontent star(yep they starfudged like we do here), signed an over the hill point guard in Nash and other well past prime vets, hella over the cap and tax, hardly no youth going forward, not many picks in the fold

So this appears to be almost the workings of a father/son situation rivaling the Dolans in New York. Jerry Buss relinquishes the team over to his son Jim and this dude thinks he's Teflon.

Look I understand trying to do their best to stay relevant but at least be rational throughout the process.

i heard that the front office didn't want the lakers to win the next 5 games with brown at the helm because they realized their mistake in hiring him and wanted to not have to fire him should they go on said winning streak. so instead of prolonging the mistake they cut bait when the opportunity arose. yes it's cold but what is he doing not allowing the pick and roll to be front and center with nash there and with a underdeveloped howard-- someone who has little or no possibility of becoming a legitimate low post threat?

isn't it just simpler to allow gasol and howard participate in pick and rolls with bryant and nash? bryant is perfectly capable of running a pick and roll if asked to.

you get a coach who runs a princeton weave to highlight the talents of such talents as steve blake and antawn jamison?

when they acquired both howard and nash i frankly expected pick and roll to death semi-breaks and fast breaks galore.

the only thing not rational is implementing an offense that doesn't allow nash to do his thing.

newyorknewyork wrote:I hope MDA succeeds but it still won't validate anything with the type of personel he has. Give Woodson that roster he probably goes 78-4 the rest of the way

MDA doesn't need any more validation as a coach. He's shown that he can excel if you don't work against him.

Funny how things develop. Woodson can get it done with defensive talent, of which he has a BOATLOAD here in NY. MDA is a guy that excels with offensive talent and even if he only has a half decent PG he can make it work. In this case both Woodson and MDA have teams they should be able to win with cuz they have the parts they need to succeed. The one thing tho is that Kobe is not Melo. Kobe will at least give MDA 100% effort and buy in to what MDA is looking to do. Kobe will demand that every other player also buy in to what MDA is looking to do. Not having to fight your teams best player is a huge plus. Besides MDA's style is easier to grasp than the Princeton offense or the Triangle.

The Lakers are a slower team and they don't have a lot of Perimeter defense. They're probably gonna use some zones to help take some of the pressure off the guys that aren't good man defenders. If MDA can get Nate McMillan to join his staff that will help a lot.

newyorknewyork wrote:I hope MDA succeeds but it still won't validate anything with the type of personel he has. Give Woodson that roster he probably goes 78-4 the rest of the way

The team has looked crappy so far. They're 2-12 from the pre and regular season.

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I hope MDA succeeds but it still won't validate anything with the type of personel he has. Give Woodson that roster he probably goes 78-4 the rest of the way

MDA doesn't need any more validation as a coach. He's shown that he can excel if you don't work against him.

Funny how things develop. Woodson can get it done with defensive talent, of which he has a BOATLOAD here in NY. MDA is a guy that excels with offensive talent and even if he only has a half decent PG he can make it work. In this case both Woodson and MDA have teams they should be able to win with cuz they have the parts they need to succeed. The one thing tho is that Kobe is not Melo. Kobe will at least give MDA 100% effort and buy in to what MDA is looking to do. Kobe will demand that every other player also buy in to what MDA is looking to do. Not having to fight your teams best player is a huge plus. Besides MDA's style is easier to grasp than the Princeton offense or the Triangle.

The Lakers are a slower team and they don't have a lot of Perimeter defense. They're probably gonna use some zones to help take some of the pressure off the guys that aren't good man defenders. If MDA can get Nate McMillan to join his staff that will help a lot.

I'm not talking about validation of him as a coach, I already know he is a good coach in the right circumstances. Im talking about his sytle of basketball winning a championship.

Woodson didn't have great defensive talent last season and got it done. While Woodson prefers defense I think he is adabtable to his personel. If he had all offensive players he would push them defensively but still play to there strengths.