Knicks · Does Anyone Appreciate How Well Raymond Felton Is Playing? (page 9)
ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:misterearl wrote:VCoug - So far, Felton is what I thought he was. A mediocre shoot first point guard who can't shoot, the worst starting pg in the division, and a guy who's going to start losing us games if he doesn't stop shooting the ball so much."it hurt, whatever... but I'm not coming out"
Felton is nowhere near as sexy as "you know who", but Raymond Felton's down home, tell it like it is, rugged, country boy, South Carolina style deserves a standing ovation... or at least a gold star.
The population of Latta, South Carolina is 1,379. That is about the number of people on one NYC Subway train. The season before he came to New York from Portland, one could tell that the big city had him excited. He responded with some of the best play of his pro career. He was deeply hurt when he was traded to Denver and he was not ashamed to show it. The hurt lasted for more than a year.
The second chance is the perfect opportunity to prove once again that he belongs in the city. Hence the self-described "chip" on his shoulder. A small town boy in the big city, surrounded by skeptics and following the contrail of a comet.
When you come all the way from Latta, SC, he only way to prove you belong is to work your azz off, without the bandage on our hand.
He had a great game last night but one game doesn't disprove what I wrote. Do I get to quote you every time Felton plays like crap and shoots us out of an easy win or into a loss?
It's been more than 1 night Vcoug.
Sometimes it's better to eat crow pie than stew over being right or wrong.
He's also had a bunch of bad games as well which was my point.
VCoug wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:misterearl wrote:VCoug - So far, Felton is what I thought he was. A mediocre shoot first point guard who can't shoot, the worst starting pg in the division, and a guy who's going to start losing us games if he doesn't stop shooting the ball so much."it hurt, whatever... but I'm not coming out"
Felton is nowhere near as sexy as "you know who", but Raymond Felton's down home, tell it like it is, rugged, country boy, South Carolina style deserves a standing ovation... or at least a gold star.
The population of Latta, South Carolina is 1,379. That is about the number of people on one NYC Subway train. The season before he came to New York from Portland, one could tell that the big city had him excited. He responded with some of the best play of his pro career. He was deeply hurt when he was traded to Denver and he was not ashamed to show it. The hurt lasted for more than a year.
The second chance is the perfect opportunity to prove once again that he belongs in the city. Hence the self-described "chip" on his shoulder. A small town boy in the big city, surrounded by skeptics and following the contrail of a comet.
When you come all the way from Latta, SC, he only way to prove you belong is to work your azz off, without the bandage on our hand.
He had a great game last night but one game doesn't disprove what I wrote. Do I get to quote you every time Felton plays like crap and shoots us out of an easy win or into a loss?
It's been more than 1 night Vcoug.
Sometimes it's better to eat crow pie than stew over being right or wrong.
He's also had a bunch of bad games as well which was my point.
So 4 bad nights in 18 games?
ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:misterearl wrote:VCoug - So far, Felton is what I thought he was. A mediocre shoot first point guard who can't shoot, the worst starting pg in the division, and a guy who's going to start losing us games if he doesn't stop shooting the ball so much."it hurt, whatever... but I'm not coming out"
Felton is nowhere near as sexy as "you know who", but Raymond Felton's down home, tell it like it is, rugged, country boy, South Carolina style deserves a standing ovation... or at least a gold star.
The population of Latta, South Carolina is 1,379. That is about the number of people on one NYC Subway train. The season before he came to New York from Portland, one could tell that the big city had him excited. He responded with some of the best play of his pro career. He was deeply hurt when he was traded to Denver and he was not ashamed to show it. The hurt lasted for more than a year.
The second chance is the perfect opportunity to prove once again that he belongs in the city. Hence the self-described "chip" on his shoulder. A small town boy in the big city, surrounded by skeptics and following the contrail of a comet.
When you come all the way from Latta, SC, he only way to prove you belong is to work your azz off, without the bandage on our hand.
He had a great game last night but one game doesn't disprove what I wrote. Do I get to quote you every time Felton plays like crap and shoots us out of an easy win or into a loss?
It's been more than 1 night Vcoug.
Sometimes it's better to eat crow pie than stew over being right or wrong.
He's also had a bunch of bad games as well which was my point.
So 4 bad nights in 18 games?
It's been more than four and there are a bunch of other games where he was merely average. Like I said, he had a great game last night but one game certainly doesn't make the season.
Q. VCoug - Do I get to quote you every time Felton plays like crap and shoots us out of an easy win or into a loss?
A. Absolutely. Each and every time Felton plays like crap and shoots us out of an easy win (of which there are none) or into a loss... you are hereby encouraged to shout from the highest available pedestal, with the loudest megaphone you can rent, you can quote The Answer Man that he celebrated 27 and 7 with 4 rebounds despite Ray playing with a sorely damaged thumb.
Be my guest. Knock yourself out.
VCoug wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:misterearl wrote:VCoug - So far, Felton is what I thought he was. A mediocre shoot first point guard who can't shoot, the worst starting pg in the division, and a guy who's going to start losing us games if he doesn't stop shooting the ball so much."it hurt, whatever... but I'm not coming out"
Felton is nowhere near as sexy as "you know who", but Raymond Felton's down home, tell it like it is, rugged, country boy, South Carolina style deserves a standing ovation... or at least a gold star.
The population of Latta, South Carolina is 1,379. That is about the number of people on one NYC Subway train. The season before he came to New York from Portland, one could tell that the big city had him excited. He responded with some of the best play of his pro career. He was deeply hurt when he was traded to Denver and he was not ashamed to show it. The hurt lasted for more than a year.
The second chance is the perfect opportunity to prove once again that he belongs in the city. Hence the self-described "chip" on his shoulder. A small town boy in the big city, surrounded by skeptics and following the contrail of a comet.
When you come all the way from Latta, SC, he only way to prove you belong is to work your azz off, without the bandage on our hand.
He had a great game last night but one game doesn't disprove what I wrote. Do I get to quote you every time Felton plays like crap and shoots us out of an easy win or into a loss?
It's been more than 1 night Vcoug.
Sometimes it's better to eat crow pie than stew over being right or wrong.
He's also had a bunch of bad games as well which was my point.
So 4 bad nights in 18 games?
It's been more than four and there are a bunch of other games where he was merely average. Like I said, he had a great game last night but one game certainly doesn't make the season.
16pts and 7asts with a stl and 2 turnover a game for the season isn't too shabby, no?
gunsnewing wrote:Felton shot us out of the Nets game with no Kidd. 1 out of 18 is pretty damn good. Certainly not a big enough sample size to assume he will keep shooting us out of games
gunsnewing - it is factorial that VCoug will blame John Starks for the Knicks losing to the Rockets with his 3-18 nightmare, until the earth ceases to exist. The truth is that whatever Ray shot against the Nets (or anyone else) is only a fraction of what he brings to the court.
You want tough defense? Watch Ray step in the way.
You want leadership? Watch Ray play through pain and remove his bandages at halftime.
You want ball handling? Watch him protect the ball like an alcoholic guarding his last bottle of wine
You want to dictate pace? Watch him change gears.
You want to win? Look at the damn standings.
Defensively he's done very, very little. For the most part he's getting matched up against the other team's worst backcourt player because he can't stay in front of his man. JR, Kidd, and Brewer have been, by far, our best backcourt defenders and are getting the bulk of the defensive minutes guarding the other team's best guards. The one game I can remember Felton being the main defender against the other team's best guard was the Dallas loss where OJ Mayo went off.
VCoug wrote:Off the top of my head there are 4 games, out of 18 so more than 20% of the season, where Felton played like shit and we either lost or struggled to win: Brooklyn, Houston, Indy, and Orlando. And there are a host of other games where he wasn't great or terrible just average.Defensively he's done very, very little. For the most part he's getting matched up against the other team's worst backcourt player because he can't stay in front of his man. JR, Kidd, and Brewer have been, by far, our best backcourt defenders and are getting the bulk of the defensive minutes guarding the other team's best guards. The one game I can remember Felton being the main defender against the other team's best guard was the Dallas loss where OJ Mayo went off.
You're reaching man.
VCoug wrote:Off the top of my head there are 4 games, out of 18 so more than 20% of the season, where Felton played like shit and we either lost or struggled to win: Brooklyn, Houston, Indy, and Orlando. And there are a host of other games where he wasn't great or terrible just average.Defensively he's done very, very little. For the most part he's getting matched up against the other team's worst backcourt player because he can't stay in front of his man. JR, Kidd, and Brewer have been, by far, our best backcourt defenders and are getting the bulk of the defensive minutes guarding the other team's best guards. The one game I can remember Felton being the main defender against the other team's best guard was the Dallas loss where OJ Mayo went off.
VCoug - you are on drugs.
You are also wasting valuable screen space with your bitterness towards one player in a team sport who has done absolutely nothing but play injured, and be a determined leader. Yeah right, let's bench Raymond Felton. Sheesh.
You got anything better than your random panic attack?
ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:Off the top of my head there are 4 games, out of 18 so more than 20% of the season, where Felton played like shit and we either lost or struggled to win: Brooklyn, Houston, Indy, and Orlando. And there are a host of other games where he wasn't great or terrible just average.Defensively he's done very, very little. For the most part he's getting matched up against the other team's worst backcourt player because he can't stay in front of his man. JR, Kidd, and Brewer have been, by far, our best backcourt defenders and are getting the bulk of the defensive minutes guarding the other team's best guards. The one game I can remember Felton being the main defender against the other team's best guard was the Dallas loss where OJ Mayo went off.
You're reaching man.
in the ECF, if we make it that far, felton can't afford to have a bad game more than 20% of the time. is that reaching?
dk7th wrote:in the ECF, if we make it that far, felton can't afford to have a bad game more than 20% of the time. is that reaching?
dk7th - what is your stated criteria or a "bad game"?
Please make it about more than shooting percentage. Pretty please.
While we are on the topic of "bad games", Jeremy Lin had another stellar 2-9 (0-3 from three) shooting night in a loss to the Spurs. 4 assists. 2 turnovers in 26 minutes. He is shooting 38 per cent for the season, 28 percent from three, which would put him DEEP down on the Knicks shot sheet). Preliminary conclusion? Better to have one bad game than a bad season. Yes, I went there.
misterearl wrote:20 Per Centdk7th wrote:in the ECF, if we make it that far, felton can't afford to have a bad game more than 20% of the time. is that reaching?dk7th - what is your stated criteria or a "bad game"?
Please make it about more than shooting percentage. Pretty please.
1) he can't stay in front of his assignment, forcing chandler to the bench with foul trouble-- this is the rule not the exception especially by the second round of the playoffs... should we make it that far.
2) he takes more than 14-15 shots and 4 or more are bad shots-- in 2 of the 4 losses he did just that. in the playoffs a bad shot is at least a momentum shifter and worse it leads to easy baskets for the opposition. in the playoffs a bad shot = turnover.
3) he overdribbles and commits more than 4 turnovers-- in the 5 games thus far with 4+ the knicks have lost 3 times.
you might recall that woodson's teams have been annihilated in the second round. might this record be a reflection of the coach to a significant degree?
dk7th 1) (Felton) can't stay in front of his assignment, forcing chandler to the bench with foul trouble - this is the rule not the exception especially by the second round of the playoffs... should we make it that far.
Tyson Chandler's foul trouble is now the responsibility of Raymond Felton? Really?
dk7th 2) (Felton) takes more than 14-15 shots and 4 or more are bad shots - in 2 of the 4 losses he did just that. in the playoffs a bad shot is at least a momentum shifter and worse it leads to easy baskets for the opposition. in the playoffs a bad shot = turnover.
Really? So, let me get this straight - Raymond Felton's shot attempts are the primimary reason for 2 losses. Okayfine. Not guarding Chandler Parsons or Zach Randolph or Marc Gasol? Ray shot 50 per cent against the Grizzlies with 18 and 5 by the way. Try again.
dk7th 3) he overdribbles and commits more than 4 turnovers - in the 5 games thus far with 4+ the knicks have lost 3 times.
So, Raymond Felton dribbles less and the Knicks automatically go 17-1, right? Cool.
misterearl wrote:Pretty please.
dk7th 1) (Felton) can't stay in front of his assignment, forcing chandler to the bench with foul trouble - this is the rule not the exception especially by the second round of the playoffs... should we make it that far.Tyson Chandler's foul trouble is now the responsibility of Raymond Felton? Really?
dk7th 2) (Felton) takes more than 14-15 shots and 4 or more are bad shots - in 2 of the 4 losses he did just that. in the playoffs a bad shot is at least a momentum shifter and worse it leads to easy baskets for the opposition. in the playoffs a bad shot = turnover.
Really? So, let me get this straight - Raymond Felton's shot attempts are the primimary reason for 2 losses. Okayfine. Not guarding Chandler Parsons or Zach Randolph or Marc Gasol? Ray shot 50 per cent against the Grizzlies with 18 and 5 by the way. Try again.
dk7th 3) he overdribbles and commits more than 4 turnovers - in the 5 games thus far with 4+ the knicks have lost 3 times.
So, Raymond Felton dribbles less and the Knicks automatically go 17-1, right? Cool.
come on, man. you asked a question, albeit with sarcasm, and i answered.
how about trying discourse with civility?
yes, (1) if the perimeter defender cannot stay in front of his man then your shotblockers/shotchangers in the lane run the risk of getting into foul trouble. this is just common sense and fundamental basketball.
point (2) you used a game that we lost where he played well against arguably the #1 seed in the west. that was a good game for him which is why i did not include it. the response was focussing on his bad games in losses not good games in losses. but since you raise this as some sort of vindication, you should take a look at mike conley's game, where conley got into the lane repeatedly, and tyson chandler ended up with 5 fouls. conley's statline: 6-12, 8 assists, 2 TO, 2 steals, 60.1TS%. in other words, felton was outplayed in the loss to the grizzlies.
(3) you had better hope kidd does the orchestrating for this team, because relying on felton will jeopardize the team.
VCoug wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:misterearl wrote:VCoug - So far, Felton is what I thought he was. A mediocre shoot first point guard who can't shoot, the worst starting pg in the division, and a guy who's going to start losing us games if he doesn't stop shooting the ball so much."it hurt, whatever... but I'm not coming out"
Felton is nowhere near as sexy as "you know who", but Raymond Felton's down home, tell it like it is, rugged, country boy, South Carolina style deserves a standing ovation... or at least a gold star.
The population of Latta, South Carolina is 1,379. That is about the number of people on one NYC Subway train. The season before he came to New York from Portland, one could tell that the big city had him excited. He responded with some of the best play of his pro career. He was deeply hurt when he was traded to Denver and he was not ashamed to show it. The hurt lasted for more than a year.
The second chance is the perfect opportunity to prove once again that he belongs in the city. Hence the self-described "chip" on his shoulder. A small town boy in the big city, surrounded by skeptics and following the contrail of a comet.
When you come all the way from Latta, SC, he only way to prove you belong is to work your azz off, without the bandage on our hand.
He had a great game last night but one game doesn't disprove what I wrote. Do I get to quote you every time Felton plays like crap and shoots us out of an easy win or into a loss?
It's been more than 1 night Vcoug.
Sometimes it's better to eat crow pie than stew over being right or wrong.
He's also had a bunch of bad games as well which was my point.
So 4 bad nights in 18 games?
It's been more than four and there are a bunch of other games where he was merely average. Like I said, he had a great game last night but one game certainly doesn't make the season.
He has had a few rough games but what player doesn't? One game doessn't make a season but his season thus far has been good.
15.9 PPG
6.9 AST
2.6 RBD
1.3 STL
2.3 TO's
.431 FG%
.419 3PT%
Starting PG for our 14-4 Knicks.
CashMoney wrote:VCoug wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:misterearl wrote:VCoug - So far, Felton is what I thought he was. A mediocre shoot first point guard who can't shoot, the worst starting pg in the division, and a guy who's going to start losing us games if he doesn't stop shooting the ball so much."it hurt, whatever... but I'm not coming out"
Felton is nowhere near as sexy as "you know who", but Raymond Felton's down home, tell it like it is, rugged, country boy, South Carolina style deserves a standing ovation... or at least a gold star.
The population of Latta, South Carolina is 1,379. That is about the number of people on one NYC Subway train. The season before he came to New York from Portland, one could tell that the big city had him excited. He responded with some of the best play of his pro career. He was deeply hurt when he was traded to Denver and he was not ashamed to show it. The hurt lasted for more than a year.
The second chance is the perfect opportunity to prove once again that he belongs in the city. Hence the self-described "chip" on his shoulder. A small town boy in the big city, surrounded by skeptics and following the contrail of a comet.
When you come all the way from Latta, SC, he only way to prove you belong is to work your azz off, without the bandage on our hand.
He had a great game last night but one game doesn't disprove what I wrote. Do I get to quote you every time Felton plays like crap and shoots us out of an easy win or into a loss?
It's been more than 1 night Vcoug.
Sometimes it's better to eat crow pie than stew over being right or wrong.
He's also had a bunch of bad games as well which was my point.
So 4 bad nights in 18 games?
It's been more than four and there are a bunch of other games where he was merely average. Like I said, he had a great game last night but one game certainly doesn't make the season.
He has had a few rough games but what player doesn't? One game doessn't make a season but his season thus far has been good.
15.9 PPG
6.9 AST
2.6 RBD
1.3 STL
2.3 TO's
.431 FG%
.419 3PT%Starting PG for our 14-4 Knicks.
He's played pretty well but not to the extent some people have tried to claim. There were some people here who were calling him one of the top 8 or 10 point guards in the league. And I don't think we can win in the playoffs with him playing awful every few games at least not when he's dominating the ball and calling his own number as often as he does. We can afford terrible first halves in the regular season against the likes of Charlotte but in the playoffs it'll kill us.
VCoug wrote:CashMoney wrote:VCoug wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:VCoug wrote:misterearl wrote:VCoug - So far, Felton is what I thought he was. A mediocre shoot first point guard who can't shoot, the worst starting pg in the division, and a guy who's going to start losing us games if he doesn't stop shooting the ball so much."it hurt, whatever... but I'm not coming out"
Felton is nowhere near as sexy as "you know who", but Raymond Felton's down home, tell it like it is, rugged, country boy, South Carolina style deserves a standing ovation... or at least a gold star.
The population of Latta, South Carolina is 1,379. That is about the number of people on one NYC Subway train. The season before he came to New York from Portland, one could tell that the big city had him excited. He responded with some of the best play of his pro career. He was deeply hurt when he was traded to Denver and he was not ashamed to show it. The hurt lasted for more than a year.
The second chance is the perfect opportunity to prove once again that he belongs in the city. Hence the self-described "chip" on his shoulder. A small town boy in the big city, surrounded by skeptics and following the contrail of a comet.
When you come all the way from Latta, SC, he only way to prove you belong is to work your azz off, without the bandage on our hand.
He had a great game last night but one game doesn't disprove what I wrote. Do I get to quote you every time Felton plays like crap and shoots us out of an easy win or into a loss?
It's been more than 1 night Vcoug.
Sometimes it's better to eat crow pie than stew over being right or wrong.
He's also had a bunch of bad games as well which was my point.
So 4 bad nights in 18 games?
It's been more than four and there are a bunch of other games where he was merely average. Like I said, he had a great game last night but one game certainly doesn't make the season.
He has had a few rough games but what player doesn't? One game doessn't make a season but his season thus far has been good.
15.9 PPG
6.9 AST
2.6 RBD
1.3 STL
2.3 TO's
.431 FG%
.419 3PT%Starting PG for our 14-4 Knicks.
He's played pretty well but not to the extent some people have tried to claim. There were some people here who were calling him one of the top 8 or 10 point guards in the league. And I don't think we can win in the playoffs with him playing awful every few games at least not when he's dominating the ball and calling his own number as often as he does. We can afford terrible first halves in the regular season against the likes of Charlotte but in the playoffs it'll kill us.
We don't need Felton to dominate the game everytime out like he has done against Miami and San Antonio. We just need him to steer our deep star studded ship, make the occasional shot, and take care of the ball. Nobody said our $4mill/year man is a top 10 point guard. Simply alot of Knicks fans heaping praise for a job well done so far.
We don't need Felton to be CP3 or even Deron Williams. He can be some nights. We just need him to be our "Derek Harper" circa 1994.