NBA · Sportswriter "Mans Up" about Linsanity (page 7)
Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:I don't want Lin to be bad or fail. I just think the people trying to crucify the organization for not re-signing him are off base. To be honest, I'm not truly sure either of them are in the wrong. Lin didn't do anything really wrong here and neither did Dolan.Like I said, Ironic that people are actually bytching about Dolan showing some fiscal responsibility for once. Whether he was butt hurt or not, we can only speculate because NO ONE KNOWS.
because he is not... he overpaid novak, he gave kidd(39 years old) 3 years and overpaid for camby(40 years old)... the fiscal responsibility talk is absolute BS!
But in another thread, you claimed J.Kidd to be our MVP and we LOVE Novak when he's knocking those three's down, don't we?And if we can give MDA 5 years to see if he really is a good Coach...then we can wait for Camby before calling that signing a bust.
Don't cloud the issue with past posts. Lin is on-track to be the greatest, non-ball handling PG in the HOF. Dolan is a rich retard, and Grunwald is his mindless stooge.
JKidd is lumped in as a stupid signing when defending Lin's contract process, and a great HOF player who outshines our resident MVP pretender suckhole only when necessary.
Move on.
yellowboy90 wrote:3G4G wrote:How come I've seen statements about Lin this season on the Rockets...
"Felton>Dragic>Lin"
"Ha Ha Toney Douglas was playing closing minutes of a game over Lin..... Hardy Har Har Har(DAT DAS EFX)"
but in yesterday's game against the Suns....The Great Coney Island Documentary Legend Bassy was closing out the game over Dragic not a peep about this.
Dun.... Dun Dun Dun..Dun DunSidenote: Do you think Lin is playing better than Dragic? Also, the Lin benching happen more than once. I have not seen Dragic play that much except for yesterday so I could not tell you either way without looking up their stats
PlayerName......Win Count ..Stats Won
Lin, Jeremy........4........FT%, REB, STL, BLK
Dragic, Goran...6........EFF, PTS, FG%, 3PM, ASTTO, TOS
Ties.................1........AST
Certainly looks like Lin's playing better to me. 
Dunt Dunt dunt dunt .... dunt dunt dunt dunt...da da dah....da da dah....da da da dunt...
DurzoBlint wrote:wow, this thread has become as ridiculous as Lin's contract
SMH
What happened to these kind of post:
LIN LIN LIN LIN LIN LIN LIN LIN LIN
DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DEPR
We need those mannnnnnnnnnn.
Lin may be backing up TD soon. 
CashMoney wrote:2 for 8 for 4 points, 3 ast, 2 to in a little under 20 minutes -18Lin may be backing up TD soon.
He is still recovering from injury man. Give it time. 
CashMoney wrote:2 for 8 for 4 points, 3 ast, 2 to in a little under 20 minutes -18Lin may be backing up TD soon.
And Harden was 3-19. More importantly they won. I tell ya, if Douglas keeps playing better he is a pretty good player. Speaking of injuries after he hurt is shoulder he was never the same again. Sometimes injuries take a really long time to come back from as the players are playing through them.
I still take Lin over Felton as I just think when he is on he is better and smarter than Felton when he is on. I would have loved Lin learning behind Kidd and Prigs.
We can't complain now as we are playing great but Feltons IQ out there really worries me at times. Melo's as well, though Melo is just playing so much better.
Our saving grace is not Felton over Lin, it is Kidd, pure and simple.
earthmansurfer wrote:CashMoney wrote:2 for 8 for 4 points, 3 ast, 2 to in a little under 20 minutes -18Lin may be backing up TD soon.
And Harden was 3-19. More importantly they won. I tell ya, if Douglas keeps playing better he is a pretty good player. Speaking of injuries after he hurt is shoulder he was never the same again. Sometimes injuries take a really long time to come back from as the players are playing through them.
I still take Lin over Felton as I just think when he is on he is better and smarter than Felton when he is on. I would have loved Lin learning behind Kidd and Prigs.
We can't complain now as we are playing great but Feltons IQ out there really worries me at times. Melo's as well, though Melo is just playing so much better.
Our saving grace is not Felton over Lin, it is Kidd, pure and simple.
Why can't Felton learn alongside of Kidd and Prigs? Both Kidd and Felton both have already stated that Kidd is mentoring him - telling him what he's doing wrong, trying to make him a better passer and court general. When Lin is on, he's a very good point guard no question. But right now he is more inconsistent than Felton. I don't know if it's really something wrong with his knee or not, time will tell.
And yes they won, but come on, Lakers lost that game. What's up with that team? How do you allow 20 + offensive rebounds and not take D. Howard out the game when you have a 6pt lead in the closing mins?
earthmansurfer wrote:CashMoney wrote:2 for 8 for 4 points, 3 ast, 2 to in a little under 20 minutes -18Lin may be backing up TD soon.
And Harden was 3-19. More importantly they won. I tell ya, if Douglas keeps playing better he is a pretty good player. Speaking of injuries after he hurt is shoulder he was never the same again. Sometimes injuries take a really long time to come back from as the players are playing through them.
I still take Lin over Felton as I just think when he is on he is better and smarter than Felton when he is on. I would have loved Lin learning behind Kidd and Prigs.
We can't complain now as we are playing great but Feltons IQ out there really worries me at times. Melo's as well, though Melo is just playing so much better.
Our saving grace is not Felton over Lin, it is Kidd, pure and simple.
LOL, you and this the Asian guy is so smart garbage is pathetic.
Are saving grace is we don't turn the ball over and we play D, maybe the smart guy should try picking that up.
earthmansurfer wrote:CashMoney wrote:2 for 8 for 4 points, 3 ast, 2 to in a little under 20 minutes -18Lin may be backing up TD soon.
And Harden was 3-19. More importantly they won. I tell ya, if Douglas keeps playing better he is a pretty good player. Speaking of injuries after he hurt is shoulder he was never the same again. Sometimes injuries take a really long time to come back from as the players are playing through them.
I still take Lin over Felton as I just think when he is on he is better and smarter than Felton when he is on. I would have loved Lin learning behind Kidd and Prigs.
We can't complain now as we are playing great but Feltons IQ out there really worries me at times. Melo's as well, though Melo is just playing so much better.
Our saving grace is not Felton over Lin, it is Kidd, pure and simple.
Felton has a good b ball IQ. His jumper is inconsistent but if you're open you have to take the shot to keep the D honest. Some misoncstrue this as not being a smart player.
This season Felton's 2.4 to's per game put him right there with CP3 at 2.3. He's also 12th in assists at 6.8 per game and the starting PG for a team that averages the lowest to's in the league.
As fas as Houston in concerned, the won the game but the Lakers beat themselves.
Hersports85 wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:CashMoney wrote:2 for 8 for 4 points, 3 ast, 2 to in a little under 20 minutes -18Lin may be backing up TD soon.
And Harden was 3-19. More importantly they won. I tell ya, if Douglas keeps playing better he is a pretty good player. Speaking of injuries after he hurt is shoulder he was never the same again. Sometimes injuries take a really long time to come back from as the players are playing through them.
I still take Lin over Felton as I just think when he is on he is better and smarter than Felton when he is on. I would have loved Lin learning behind Kidd and Prigs.
We can't complain now as we are playing great but Feltons IQ out there really worries me at times. Melo's as well, though Melo is just playing so much better.
Our saving grace is not Felton over Lin, it is Kidd, pure and simple.Why can't Felton learn alongside of Kidd and Prigs? Both Kidd and Felton both have already stated that Kidd is mentoring him - telling him what he's doing wrong, trying to make him a better passer and court general. When Lin is on, he's a very good point guard no question. But right now he is more inconsistent than Felton. I don't know if it's really something wrong with his knee or not, time will tell.
And yes they won, but come on, Lakers lost that game. What's up with that team? How do you allow 20 + offensive rebounds and not take D. Howard out the game when you have a 6pt lead in the closing mins?
Once a PG turns 28 he is no longer capable of learning anything from other players. 
earthmansurfer wrote:CashMoney wrote:2 for 8 for 4 points, 3 ast, 2 to in a little under 20 minutes -18Lin may be backing up TD soon.
And Harden was 3-19. More importantly they won. I tell ya, if Douglas keeps playing better he is a pretty good player. Speaking of injuries after he hurt is shoulder he was never the same again. Sometimes injuries take a really long time to come back from as the players are playing through them.
I still take Lin over Felton as I just think when he is on he is better and smarter than Felton when he is on. I would have loved Lin learning behind Kidd and Prigs.
We can't complain now as we are playing great but Feltons IQ out there really worries me at times. Melo's as well, though Melo is just playing so much better.
Our saving grace is not Felton over Lin, it is Kidd, pure and simple.
Ahh yes, the JKidd is the reason for this season Melohate argument.
I can see the tremendous amount of grace we've gotten from Kidd in the past 4 games. 3-1.
Hersports85 - Of course Felton can learn from Kidd and is probably doing so. I just meant that Lin was right out of college, basically, and at that age you are really open to learning - though it always occurs.
Anji - Hey, I watched Lin play the game. He didn't make many boneheaded plays. Turning the ball over is a smart thing, but it is not a synonym for intelligence. Some great PG's turn the ball over a lot, I just think it depends on style, passing ability, etc. Lin's TO's are down and most of his turnovers were not on bad passes. If anything they were from aggression, which is what I like my pg to do. There was an article stating that not long ago. I like Felton, but I don't think his game is as cerebral as Kidd's Lins game is. It doesn't mean he isn't a very good pg. Watching Lin play was just different. Now, he is not physically back yet, yeah, a damn long time, but that is what I see.
jrodmc - Fair point (and I'm not hating anyone), but Melo has essentially taken what, 9 or so years to start playing like this? Kidd has done it from day one and the affect he has had on Feltons game (e.g. - look at how much worse Felton generally plays with Kidd out). It is pretty clear who is affecting who more. And when I watch the game, Melo still takes those terrible shots too much for my liking. Ok, he is capable of making them, but playing more intelligently only helps the team and increases your shooting %.
earthmansurfer wrote:Wow, guess I hit a sensitive spotHersports85 - Of course Felton can learn from Kidd and is probably doing so. I just meant that Lin was right out of college, basically, and at that age you are really open to learning - though it always occurs.
Anji - Hey, I watched Lin play the game. He didn't make many boneheaded plays. Turning the ball over is a smart thing, but it is not a synonym for intelligence. Some great PG's turn the ball over a lot, I just think it depends on style, passing ability, etc. Lin's TO's are down and most of his turnovers were not on bad passes. If anything they were from aggression, which is what I like my pg to do. There was an article stating that not long ago. I like Felton, but I don't think his game is as cerebral as Kidd's Lins game is. It doesn't mean he isn't a very good pg. Watching Lin play was just different. Now, he is not physically back yet, yeah, a damn long time, but that is what I see.
jrodmc - Fair point (and I'm not hating anyone), but Melo has essentially taken what, 9 or so years to start playing like this? Kidd has done it from day one and the affect he has had on Feltons game (e.g. - look at how much worse Felton generally plays with Kidd out). It is pretty clear who is affecting who more. And when I watch the game, Melo still takes those terrible shots too much for my liking. Ok, he is capable of making them, but playing more intelligently only helps the team and increases your shooting %.
Totally agree, Kidd established his leadership since training camp and during practice, whether he plays the next 10 games or not. There is no question that Kidd and Chandler are the leaders of this team and rightfully so, since they have championship experience under their belt.
KnicksFE wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Wow, guess I hit a sensitive spotjrodmc - Fair point (and I'm not hating anyone), but Melo has essentially taken what, 9 or so years to start playing like this? Kidd has done it from day one and the affect he has had on Feltons game (e.g. - look at how much worse Felton generally plays with Kidd out). It is pretty clear who is affecting who more. And when I watch the game, Melo still takes those terrible shots too much for my liking. Ok, he is capable of making them, but playing more intelligently only helps the team and increases your shooting %.
Totally agree, Kidd established his leadership since training camp and during practice, whether he plays the next 10 games or not. There is no question that Kidd and Chandler are the leaders of this team and rightfully so, since they have championship experience under their belt.
That's great, then maybe Kidd should be coaching the team, since actually performing on the court doesn't seem to count for all that much in your respective worlds. 6 30 point games this year so far.
Melo's been in the playoffs every year. He was damned near the ROY. This "oh well, he finally starts playing like this" bullshit wears a bit thin after awhile.
Like I've said in other threads, the hate will continue to simmer endlessly, even if the man goes out and wins a chip for us.
Kidd is a great additional role player for this team. Felton was going to be playing with a chip on his shoulder no matter who was here this season. Tyson is our defensive achor and giant Spree-attitude.
Melo is the franchise right now.
Very sorry, but you'll just have to live with it.
jrodmc wrote:KnicksFE wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Wow, guess I hit a sensitive spotjrodmc - Fair point (and I'm not hating anyone), but Melo has essentially taken what, 9 or so years to start playing like this? Kidd has done it from day one and the affect he has had on Feltons game (e.g. - look at how much worse Felton generally plays with Kidd out). It is pretty clear who is affecting who more. And when I watch the game, Melo still takes those terrible shots too much for my liking. Ok, he is capable of making them, but playing more intelligently only helps the team and increases your shooting %.
Totally agree, Kidd established his leadership since training camp and during practice, whether he plays the next 10 games or not. There is no question that Kidd and Chandler are the leaders of this team and rightfully so, since they have championship experience under their belt.
That's great, then maybe Kidd should be coaching the team, since actually performing on the court doesn't seem to count for all that much in your respective worlds. 6 30 point games this year so far.
Melo's been in the playoffs every year. He was damned near the ROY. This "oh well, he finally starts playing like this" bullshit wears a bit thin after awhile.
Like I've said in other threads, the hate will continue to simmer endlessly, even if the man goes out and wins a chip for us.
Kidd is a great additional role player for this team. Felton was going to be playing with a chip on his shoulder no matter who was here this season. Tyson is our defensive achor and giant Spree-attitude.
Melo is the franchise right now.
Very sorry, but you'll just have to live with it.
I think we just have different perspectives of the game. I don't really care a ton about statistics. Yes, it sure is fun to see a player like Melo play, great talent. And there is some meaning to the stats. And someone with his talent can get a team without much talent around him to the playoffs.
But ask yourself this: Did he play to his ability those years in Denver? Did he make others better around him or did he just try to carry the team? Even when he had talent around him, he still was not playing what I would call great team ball. (Even the way the trade went down was indicative of his ME personality. Hey, most guys have that so this isn't hating him.) What I see him doing now is playing more team ball and trying to take over less. THAT IS RESPONSIBLE for us winning and not his multiple 30 point games. I think we actually play better when he doesn't score too much (someone posted that statistic here recently). This is not about statistics solely. It is much much more than that and the interesting thing about "Melo Fans" is that they jump to 2 things - His number and going to the playoffs.
Look, no one questions that Melo has alot of talent. The question is can he harness it together with his mind/heart and take it to the next level. And we haven't answered that question yet, but he is off to a much better start than usual (at least regarding team play).
earthmansurfer wrote:jrodmc wrote:KnicksFE wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Wow, guess I hit a sensitive spotjrodmc - Fair point (and I'm not hating anyone), but Melo has essentially taken what, 9 or so years to start playing like this? Kidd has done it from day one and the affect he has had on Feltons game (e.g. - look at how much worse Felton generally plays with Kidd out). It is pretty clear who is affecting who more. And when I watch the game, Melo still takes those terrible shots too much for my liking. Ok, he is capable of making them, but playing more intelligently only helps the team and increases your shooting %.
Totally agree, Kidd established his leadership since training camp and during practice, whether he plays the next 10 games or not. There is no question that Kidd and Chandler are the leaders of this team and rightfully so, since they have championship experience under their belt.
That's great, then maybe Kidd should be coaching the team, since actually performing on the court doesn't seem to count for all that much in your respective worlds. 6 30 point games this year so far.
Melo's been in the playoffs every year. He was damned near the ROY. This "oh well, he finally starts playing like this" bullshit wears a bit thin after awhile.
Like I've said in other threads, the hate will continue to simmer endlessly, even if the man goes out and wins a chip for us.
Kidd is a great additional role player for this team. Felton was going to be playing with a chip on his shoulder no matter who was here this season. Tyson is our defensive achor and giant Spree-attitude.
Melo is the franchise right now.
Very sorry, but you'll just have to live with it.
I think we just have different perspectives of the game. I don't really care a ton about statistics. Yes, it sure is fun to see a player like Melo play, great talent. And there is some meaning to the stats. And someone with his talent can get a team without much talent around him to the playoffs.
But ask yourself this: Did he play to his ability those years in Denver? Did he make others better around him or did he just try to carry the team? Even when he had talent around him, he still was not playing what I would call great team ball. (Even the way the trade went down was indicative of his ME personality. Hey, most guys have that so this isn't hating him.) What I see him doing now is playing more team ball and trying to take over less. THAT IS RESPONSIBLE for us winning and not his multiple 30 point games. I think we actually play better when he doesn't score too much (someone posted that statistic here recently). This is not about statistics solely. It is much much more than that and the interesting thing about "Melo Fans" is that they jump to 2 things - His number and going to the playoffs.
Look, no one questions that Melo has alot of talent. The question is can he harness it together with his mind/heart and take it to the next level. And we haven't answered that question yet, but he is off to a much better start than usual (at least regarding team play).
Knicks are 3-2 I believe when Melo has scored over 30. Kidd is a great addition but not sure why as a 39 year old he is compared to Melo in any way. If you want to say that the Knicks assembled a team around Melo that utilizes him best I would agree. Kidd's value should not be compared with Melo at this point in his career.
CrushAlot wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:jrodmc wrote:KnicksFE wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Wow, guess I hit a sensitive spotjrodmc - Fair point (and I'm not hating anyone), but Melo has essentially taken what, 9 or so years to start playing like this? Kidd has done it from day one and the affect he has had on Feltons game (e.g. - look at how much worse Felton generally plays with Kidd out). It is pretty clear who is affecting who more. And when I watch the game, Melo still takes those terrible shots too much for my liking. Ok, he is capable of making them, but playing more intelligently only helps the team and increases your shooting %.
Totally agree, Kidd established his leadership since training camp and during practice, whether he plays the next 10 games or not. There is no question that Kidd and Chandler are the leaders of this team and rightfully so, since they have championship experience under their belt.
That's great, then maybe Kidd should be coaching the team, since actually performing on the court doesn't seem to count for all that much in your respective worlds. 6 30 point games this year so far.
Melo's been in the playoffs every year. He was damned near the ROY. This "oh well, he finally starts playing like this" bullshit wears a bit thin after awhile.
Like I've said in other threads, the hate will continue to simmer endlessly, even if the man goes out and wins a chip for us.
Kidd is a great additional role player for this team. Felton was going to be playing with a chip on his shoulder no matter who was here this season. Tyson is our defensive achor and giant Spree-attitude.
Melo is the franchise right now.
Very sorry, but you'll just have to live with it.
I think we just have different perspectives of the game. I don't really care a ton about statistics. Yes, it sure is fun to see a player like Melo play, great talent. And there is some meaning to the stats. And someone with his talent can get a team without much talent around him to the playoffs.
But ask yourself this: Did he play to his ability those years in Denver? Did he make others better around him or did he just try to carry the team? Even when he had talent around him, he still was not playing what I would call great team ball. (Even the way the trade went down was indicative of his ME personality. Hey, most guys have that so this isn't hating him.) What I see him doing now is playing more team ball and trying to take over less. THAT IS RESPONSIBLE for us winning and not his multiple 30 point games. I think we actually play better when he doesn't score too much (someone posted that statistic here recently). This is not about statistics solely. It is much much more than that and the interesting thing about "Melo Fans" is that they jump to 2 things - His number and going to the playoffs.
Look, no one questions that Melo has alot of talent. The question is can he harness it together with his mind/heart and take it to the next level. And we haven't answered that question yet, but he is off to a much better start than usual (at least regarding team play).
Knicks are 3-2 I believe when Melo has scored over 30. Kidd is a great addition but not sure why as a 39 year old he is compared to Melo in any way. If you want to say that the Knicks assembled a team around Melo that utilizes him best I would agree. Kidd's value should not be compared with Melo at this point in his career.
You are not sure why I compared the two? I laid it out for you. Kidd has been a leader and intelligent player since he entered the league. Melo has just recently picked his game up as far as playing smart goes. jrodc made this into Melo hate and it isn't that. As a fan we can criticize our own players and though I'm a bit over the fence now on Melo, I'd like to see more consistency and smart play from him. He is too good a talent to not make those around him better - like Kidd has done his whole career. And you don't need to be a PG to do so...
Oh, so that leaves the Knicks at 11-2 when Melo scores less than 30. So, compare 60% winning record to 85%. Ok, the sample size is small and all the facts aren't in, but we can't overlook this stat.