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December 5, 2012 at 10:26 pmTyson Chandler’s TS% in this game was .765.
This raised his TS% on the season by one point, to .753, which would demolish his own single-season record of .708 set last year.
He has 213 points on 111 FGA.
His FG% on the season is now .721. The all-time single season record is Wilt Chamberlain in 1972-73 with .727. Serge Ibaka ranks second in the NBA at .595.
He’s averaged 16.6 PPG over his last 8 games.
Most efficient scorer in the history of the game?!
15 PTS, 14 RBS a game this month on 67% shooting. Flu Tyson is long gone.
Updated win shares
1. Tyson Chandler-NYK .283
2. Kevin Durant-OKC .279
3. Chris Paul-LAC .276
4. LeBron James-MIA .252
5. Tim Duncan-SAS .250
6. Jason Kidd-NYK .243
7. Marc Gasol-MEM .240
8. Kobe Bryant-LAL .237
9. Tiago Splitter-SAS .234
10. Tony Parker-SAS .203
11. Chris Bosh-MIA .200
12. Kevin Martin-OKC .195
13. Andray Blatche-BRK .192
14. Eric Bledsoe-LAC .189
15. Carl Landry-GSW .189
16. Serge Ibaka-OKC .188
17. Zach Randolph-MEM .186
18. Russell Westbrook-OKC .182
19. Blake Griffin-LAC .181
20. Anderson Varejao-CLE .179
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leag...Melo is at .177. So he's probably in the top 25.
Package Kidd and Tyson for Durant. We solve our 2 guard spot and KD can catch and shoot all day off of Melo post ups.
LOL! WS and WP are very well-validated but I do think there are some aspects to the game they miss. Tyson's probably closer to top 10 rather than actually #1.
Win shares bounced around a lot after the last game.
1. Kevin Durant-OKC .283
2. Chris Paul-LAC .275
3. Tyson Chandler-NYK .274
4. Jason Kidd-NYK .254
5. LeBron James-MIA .253
6. Tim Duncan-SAS .246
7. Kobe Bryant-LAL .240
8. Marc Gasol-MEM .239
9. Tiago Splitter-SAS .235
10. Tony Parker-SAS .207
11. Carmelo Anthony-NYK .198
12. Kevin Martin-OKC .198
13. Chris Bosh-MIA .196
14. Eric Bledsoe-LAC .196
15. Andray Blatche-BRK .193
16. Carl Landry-GSW .193
17. Ed Davis-TOR .188
18. Zach Randolph-MEM .187
19. Serge Ibaka-OKC .183
20. David West-IND .181
Wins produced gives more credit to Kidd and Tyson and less to Melo (mostly because of his rebounding and turnovers)
http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/nyk
Bonn1997 wrote:Win shares bounced around a lot after the last game. 1. Kevin Durant-OKC .283
2. Chris Paul-LAC .275
3. Tyson Chandler-NYK .274
4. Jason Kidd-NYK .254
5. LeBron James-MIA .253
6. Tim Duncan-SAS .246
7. Kobe Bryant-LAL .240
8. Marc Gasol-MEM .239
9. Tiago Splitter-SAS .235
10. Tony Parker-SAS .207
11. Carmelo Anthony-NYK .198
12. Kevin Martin-OKC .198
13. Chris Bosh-MIA .196
14. Eric Bledsoe-LAC .196
15. Andray Blatche-BRK .193
16. Carl Landry-GSW .193
17. Ed Davis-TOR .188
18. Zach Randolph-MEM .187
19. Serge Ibaka-OKC .183
20. David West-IND .181
Wins produced gives more credit to Kidd and Tyson and less to Melo (mostly because of his rebounding and turnovers)
http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/nyk
With that game Flu Tyson should've dropped to 200.
"Should have"? I'm sure the #s were correctly entered into the formula and he dropped the amount he should have.
Bonn1997 wrote:"Should have"? I'm sure the #s were correctly entered into the formula and he dropped the amount he should have.
The eye test says he had one of his worst games this season against the Nets without Brook Lopez and got repeatedly torched by Andray Blatche.
ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:"Should have"? I'm sure the #s were correctly entered into the formula and he dropped the amount he should have.
The eye test says he had one of his worst games this season against the Nets without Brook Lopez and got repeatedly torched by Andray Blatche.
Agreed; that's why he dropped from first to third.
Bonn1997 wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:"Should have"? I'm sure the #s were correctly entered into the formula and he dropped the amount he should have.
The eye test says he had one of his worst games this season against the Nets without Brook Lopez and got repeatedly torched by Andray Blatche.
Agreed; that's why he dropped from first to third.
.009 doesn't seem like too much a penalty, but whatever. I'm sure he'll bounce back against Dwight (hopefully).
He didn't hurt the team any worse than a 3 for 12 or 8 for 22 performance by Melo though. One game won't and shouldn't kill your WS - not when there have already been almost two months of games.
Bonn1997 wrote:He didn't hurt the team any worse than a 3 for 12 or 8 for 22 performance by Melo though. One game won't and shouldn't kill your WS - not when there have already been almost two months of games.
He actually did kill the Knicks more than any bad shooting performance by Melo.
2 quick fouls and Reggie Evans had like 11 boards by the end of the first, not to mention a 17 point deficit.
ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:He didn't hurt the team any worse than a 3 for 12 or 8 for 22 performance by Melo though. One game won't and shouldn't kill your WS - not when there have already been almost two months of games.
He actually did kill the Knicks more than any bad shooting performance by Melo.
2 quick fouls and Reggie Evans had like 11 boards by the end of the first, not to mention a 17 point deficit.
Maybe 11 boards by Evans has something to do with our starting PF only getting 5 for the whole game?
Tyson didn't have an awful game - he had a low volume game. 5 points on 5 shots is low volume. 5 points on 15 shots would be awful.
Bonn1997 wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:He didn't hurt the team any worse than a 3 for 12 or 8 for 22 performance by Melo though. One game won't and shouldn't kill your WS - not when there have already been almost two months of games.
He actually did kill the Knicks more than any bad shooting performance by Melo.
2 quick fouls and Reggie Evans had like 11 boards by the end of the first, not to mention a 17 point deficit.
Maybe 11 boards by Evans has something to do with our starting PF only getting 5 for the whole game? The blame for another players' rebounding can't be given entirely to one player. Tyson didn't have an awful game - he had a low volume game. 5 points on 5 shots is low volume. 5 points on 15 shots would be awful.
Plusminus of -5 when Chandler was on the floor.
ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:He didn't hurt the team any worse than a 3 for 12 or 8 for 22 performance by Melo though. One game won't and shouldn't kill your WS - not when there have already been almost two months of games.
He actually did kill the Knicks more than any bad shooting performance by Melo.
2 quick fouls and Reggie Evans had like 11 boards by the end of the first, not to mention a 17 point deficit.
Maybe 11 boards by Evans has something to do with our starting PF only getting 5 for the whole game? The blame for another players' rebounding can't be given entirely to one player. Tyson didn't have an awful game - he had a low volume game. 5 points on 5 shots is low volume. 5 points on 15 shots would be awful.
Plusminus of -5 when Chandler was on the floor.
That doesn't contradict anything I said
BTW, Melo's plus/minus was in negative territory last year. Do you think the Knicks would have won more games without him or do you reject the validity of the plus/minus stat?
Bonn1997 wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:He didn't hurt the team any worse than a 3 for 12 or 8 for 22 performance by Melo though. One game won't and shouldn't kill your WS - not when there have already been almost two months of games.
He actually did kill the Knicks more than any bad shooting performance by Melo.
2 quick fouls and Reggie Evans had like 11 boards by the end of the first, not to mention a 17 point deficit.
Maybe 11 boards by Evans has something to do with our starting PF only getting 5 for the whole game? The blame for another players' rebounding can't be given entirely to one player. Tyson didn't have an awful game - he had a low volume game. 5 points on 5 shots is low volume. 5 points on 15 shots would be awful.
Plusminus of -5 when Chandler was on the floor.
That doesn't contradict anything I said
Doesn't it? He's the primary rebounder for the Knicks. The reigning DPOY.
Bonn1997 wrote:BTW, Melo's plus/minus was in negative territory last year. Do you think the Knicks would have won more games without him or do you reject the validity of the plus/minus stat?
What does last year have to do with this season and Tyson's last game against the Nets?
ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:He didn't hurt the team any worse than a 3 for 12 or 8 for 22 performance by Melo though. One game won't and shouldn't kill your WS - not when there have already been almost two months of games.
He actually did kill the Knicks more than any bad shooting performance by Melo.
2 quick fouls and Reggie Evans had like 11 boards by the end of the first, not to mention a 17 point deficit.
Maybe 11 boards by Evans has something to do with our starting PF only getting 5 for the whole game? The blame for another players' rebounding can't be given entirely to one player. Tyson didn't have an awful game - he had a low volume game. 5 points on 5 shots is low volume. 5 points on 15 shots would be awful.
Plusminus of -5 when Chandler was on the floor.
That doesn't contradict anything I said
Doesn't it? He's the primary rebounder for the Knicks. The reigning DPOY.
And he had a subpar game like I said - if you do value the plus/minus stat, then it was a loss of just two possessions (5 points) with Tyson on the court. That seems to contradict your claim that his WS should have dropped 200 points.
ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BTW, Melo's plus/minus was in negative territory last year. Do you think the Knicks would have won more games without him or do you reject the validity of the plus/minus stat?
What does last year have to do with this season and Tyson's last game against the Nets?
We're talking about the validity of the stat now. Unless you're claiming that the stat was not valid last year but not is, the season in reference is irrelevant. It seems like you are one of the many who cite the plus/minus stat only when it confirms what you already believe.
Let me try again: would the Knicks have won more games without Melo last year or is the plus/minus stat invalid (and therefore not worth examining for yesterday's game)?
