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Nalod @ 12/7/2012 11:23 AM

Y'all are too much into generizations to further the conversation.

Its typical, demonize the prior coach and discredit any influence.

After good games, piss on ex coaches to feel even better, and extopolate into the future and start cutting confetti.

Silverfuel @ 12/7/2012 11:28 AM
Nalod wrote:
Y'all are too much into generizations to further the conversation.

Its typical, demonize the prior coach and discredit any influence.

After good games, piss on ex coaches to feel even better, and extopolate into the future and start cutting confetti.


It seems like you are lacking a personality when you cannot find something on the knicks to complain about.
Nalod @ 12/7/2012 11:33 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Nalod wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Low TO's mean more shot attempts

How is that accomoplished? More ball control with less PNR's LAST NITE. Thats some of it.

Im not talking about the whole season.

Read my post. Im not saying should adapt this for the season. MDA would have not adapted on a per game basis.

Remember Felton came thru the North Carolina system and played for Larry in CLT. Woodson was an assistant for brown in Philly and Detroit. MDA lets his points run wild, not Brown. He likes more contol. Last nite Heat could not read us fast enough.

The game had elements that was fasinating to watch . If you some of you just want to go off on non basketball diatribe im sure there are other threads we can/will do that.

Anyone want to talk about what woodson did to compensate his deficit in losing Melo?

6 scorers in double figures. Besides PnR with Tyson, alot of ISO with Ray and JR.

I hope you know ball movement was not created by MDA.

If only MDA had Dave Hopla to make him look like a genius instead of a retard...

DId I not praise Woodson? Why would woodson not take elements from MDA? Or Brown? Or Knight? Felton was brilliant under MDA his first stint here. In fact, it was the best ball he played in his pro career. Last nite he had his best game of the season. Why?

Im not saying it was the sole reason and only the reason and after the game MDA and Obama called Ray up to congradlate him!

KNicks went wild on the Heat and shot 41 more times. It looked familiar. Was Linsanity some mystical event or when Melo and AMare out Did MDA do anyting different? He employed his version of uptempo spread offense Woodson was right there beside him. Not with Don Nelson, Paul Westhead, Paul Westphal, or Jerry Tarkanian!

MDA did not use the same offensive scheme all last season. It had many looks. Most looked bad. But Linsanity was different until other teams figured it out.

VCoug @ 12/7/2012 11:40 AM
Nalod wrote:
Y'all are too much into generizations to further the conversation.

Its typical, demonize the prior coach and discredit any influence.

After good games, piss on ex coaches to feel even better, and extopolate into the future and start cutting confetti.

I guess you haven't gotten the memo that we're no longer allowed to discuss basketball around here anymore. If you aren't running around screaming like a 12 year old girl at a Justin Bieber concert then you're not a real fan.

Anyway, I agree with your post. We've basically been running a slow-it-down version of MDA's offense all season and last night was very reminiscent of the Linsanity run last year. Of course, I'd be very happy if we didn't take 40 three-pointers again for the rest of the year.

StraightShot @ 12/7/2012 11:41 AM
What we are seeing is nothing less than the flowering of Mike Woodson's system enabled by the great moves of Grunwald this off season, facilitated by Dolan's older-but wiser and mostly hands-off approach to the team this year.
JrZyHuStLa @ 12/7/2012 11:44 AM
StraightShot wrote:What we are seeing is nothing less than the flowering of Mike Woodson's system enabled by the great moves of Grunwald this off season, facilitated by Dolan's older-but wiser and mostly hands-off approach to the team this year.

Yea, really.

Woodson, Grunwald, Dolan ,etc. have done a great job.

I'm all for giving praise and credit.

But D'antoni?

That's disgusting.

ShellTopAdidas @ 12/7/2012 11:47 AM
StraightShot wrote:What we are seeing is nothing less than the flowering of Mike Woodson's system enabled by the great moves of Grunwald this off season, facilitated by Dolan's older-but wiser and mostly hands-off approach to the team this year.

Bingo!!!!

ramtour420 @ 12/7/2012 11:53 AM
Nalod, Ray is playing his best ball right now, with Woodson. Not that he didn't play awesome for us the first time around.

Vcoug, slow-it-down version of MDA's offense ? That's like saying playing Woodson's style without the defense

ShellTopAdidas @ 12/7/2012 11:54 AM
I'm just glad we're not playing Melo Ball anymore. I couldn't stand it!!! Glad he finally got it even tho it took him 4 coaches (Karl, MDA, Coach K, Woody) and so old vets to drum it in that thick skull of his. Now if we can get Amare going....
gunsnewing @ 12/7/2012 11:55 AM
VCoug wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Y'all are too much into generizations to further the conversation.

Its typical, demonize the prior coach and discredit any influence.

After good games, piss on ex coaches to feel even better, and extopolate into the future and start cutting confetti.

I guess you haven't gotten the memo that we're no longer allowed to discuss basketball around here anymore. If you aren't running around screaming like a 12 year old girl at a Justin Bieber concert then you're not a real fan.

Anyway, I agree with your post. We've basically been running a slow-it-down version of MDA's offense all season and last night was very reminiscent of the Linsanity run last year. Of course, I'd be very happy if we didn't take 40 three-pointers again for the rest of the year.

Again the excessive 3's has to do with personnel not Dantoni. Without Amare and Melo the only way to win is to shot and hit a lot of 3's and taking care of the ball is enabling us to take more 3's

cooch2584 @ 12/7/2012 12:11 PM
VCoug wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Y'all are too much into generizations to further the conversation.

Its typical, demonize the prior coach and discredit any influence.

After good games, piss on ex coaches to feel even better, and extopolate into the future and start cutting confetti.

I guess you haven't gotten the memo that we're no longer allowed to discuss basketball around here anymore. If you aren't running around screaming like a 12 year old girl at a Justin Bieber concert then you're not a real fan.

Anyway, I agree with your post. We've basically been running a slow-it-down version of MDA's offense all season and last night was very reminiscent of the Linsanity run last year. Of course, I'd be very happy if we didn't take 40 three-pointers again for the rest of the year.

Again,mentioning mda and linsanity to compare to this team is a NO NO NO let history be history and enjoy this ride. We are playing unreal d and our offense is on open look shots,weather they be 2s or 3s. Like Wally said post game,shooting 34% from 3s is like shooting 50% on 2s. We have the players that can make 3s so why not use them?? Of course the 3s aint gonna fall all the time but not all of our 3 pt shooters are gonna be off on the same nite.

Nalod @ 12/7/2012 12:13 PM
Silverfuel wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Y'all are too much into generizations to further the conversation.

Its typical, demonize the prior coach and discredit any influence.

After good games, piss on ex coaches to feel even better, and extopolate into the future and start cutting confetti.


It seems like you are lacking a personality when you cannot find something on the knicks to complain about.

Sybil is not in today.

cooch2584 @ 12/7/2012 12:16 PM
Nalod, your reaching,leave the past coaches, and players in the past and MAYBE give some credit to Woody and these players for their accomplishments so far.
Nalod @ 12/7/2012 12:19 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
StraightShot wrote:What we are seeing is nothing less than the flowering of Mike Woodson's system enabled by the great moves of Grunwald this off season, facilitated by Dolan's older-but wiser and mostly hands-off approach to the team this year.

Yea, really.

Woodson, Grunwald, Dolan ,etc. have done a great job.

I'm all for giving praise and credit.

But D'antoni?

That's disgusting.

Find where I praise MDA?

Grunwald and Dolan doing a great job? They doing their jobs.

Woodson is doing a great job.

Find where I praise MDA?

Can we talk about basketball sometimes? Its a basketball thread. There are circle jerk ones today to get all the self congradulatory phrases and swim in a sea of man juice.

If He want 4 corners, we'd be talking Dean smith. If he went grindhouse, we can talk old school Riley.

SSOL made a visit with us last nite and we won. Its not a validation that some of you fear, its just a good coach who took a page form a very think binder with lots of other pages and used it.

Nobody said we should adapt it going forward.

Reading is fundamental!

ChuckBuck @ 12/7/2012 12:21 PM
Nalod wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
StraightShot wrote:What we are seeing is nothing less than the flowering of Mike Woodson's system enabled by the great moves of Grunwald this off season, facilitated by Dolan's older-but wiser and mostly hands-off approach to the team this year.

Yea, really.

Woodson, Grunwald, Dolan ,etc. have done a great job.

I'm all for giving praise and credit.

But D'antoni?

That's disgusting.

Find where I praise MDA?

Grunwald and Dolan doing a great job? They doing their jobs.

Woodson is doing a great job.

Find where I praise MDA?

Can we talk about basketball sometimes? Its a basketball thread. There are circle jerk ones today to get all the self congradulatory phrases and swim in a sea of man juice.

If He want 4 corners, we'd be talking Dean smith. If he went grindhouse, we can talk old school Riley.

SSOL made a visit with us last nite and we won. Its not a validation that some of you fear, its just a good coach who took a page form a very think binder with lots of other pages and used it.

Nobody said we should adapt it going forward.

Reading is fundamental!

SSOL is synonymous with D'Antoni.

cooch2584 @ 12/7/2012 12:22 PM
Nalod wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
StraightShot wrote:What we are seeing is nothing less than the flowering of Mike Woodson's system enabled by the great moves of Grunwald this off season, facilitated by Dolan's older-but wiser and mostly hands-off approach to the team this year.

Yea, really.

Woodson, Grunwald, Dolan ,etc. have done a great job.

I'm all for giving praise and credit.

But D'antoni?

That's disgusting.

Find where I praise MDA?

Grunwald and Dolan doing a great job? They doing their jobs.

Woodson is doing a great job.

Find where I praise MDA?

Can we talk about basketball sometimes? Its a basketball thread. There are circle jerk ones today to get all the self congradulatory phrases and swim in a sea of man juice.

If He want 4 corners, we'd be talking Dean smith. If he went grindhouse, we can talk old school Riley.

SSOL made a visit with us last nite and we won. Its not a validation that some of you fear, its just a good coach who took a page form a very think binder with lots of other pages and used it.

Nobody said we should adapt it going forward.

Reading is fundamental!

You just mentioned SSOL again, are you kidding me trying to wave off mentioning SSOL and mda but doing it? You have problems nalod,your not reading your own posts.

cooch2584 @ 12/7/2012 12:23 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Nalod wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
StraightShot wrote:What we are seeing is nothing less than the flowering of Mike Woodson's system enabled by the great moves of Grunwald this off season, facilitated by Dolan's older-but wiser and mostly hands-off approach to the team this year.

Yea, really.

Woodson, Grunwald, Dolan ,etc. have done a great job.

I'm all for giving praise and credit.

But D'antoni?

That's disgusting.

Find where I praise MDA?

Grunwald and Dolan doing a great job? They doing their jobs.

Woodson is doing a great job.

Find where I praise MDA?

Can we talk about basketball sometimes? Its a basketball thread. There are circle jerk ones today to get all the self congradulatory phrases and swim in a sea of man juice.

If He want 4 corners, we'd be talking Dean smith. If he went grindhouse, we can talk old school Riley.

SSOL made a visit with us last nite and we won. Its not a validation that some of you fear, its just a good coach who took a page form a very think binder with lots of other pages and used it.

Nobody said we should adapt it going forward.

Reading is fundamental!

SSOL is synonymous with D'Antoni.

SSOL and mda are the same monster. And in no way ,shape or form did we play ssol last nite

Nalod @ 12/7/2012 12:26 PM
Nalod wrote:
Since we all so giddy with new threads and I read in the heat of post victory glory and afterglow some wonderful comments about MDA, I looked up a stat that was interesting:

Knicks took 135 shots last nite. 44 from 3pt.

HEat took 94 shots last nite. 16 from 3pt.

There was no superstar go to guy.

Felton had his best game.

What you saw was Linsanity but this time with Felton.

Most important stat was the team hits hit shots.

Make no doubt that was a great win and without Melo its great that we can do this.

But......thats one game and I don't think the team can or should even try to do this every game.

This was a marquee matchup and knicks went all in and played GREAT DEFENSE.

Woodson did a great job last nite and is the COTY so far. Good coaches take from others and Last nite he borrowed SSOL. Its ok as long as he puts it back in the binder and does not use it every nite. This is how you beat the Heat. Wear them down.

I am in no way saying or diluting Melo or Amare here. WE need them to be a big part of this team.

64 games to go. One at at time.

Sorry, that was sarcasim. I read the "Phuch MDA bitcyes" in the game thread and thats what I reffered to. Not in support of MDA here.

I said long ago his record speaks for itself. I don't need to speak for him.

JrZyHuStLa @ 12/7/2012 12:26 PM
Nalod wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
StraightShot wrote:What we are seeing is nothing less than the flowering of Mike Woodson's system enabled by the great moves of Grunwald this off season, facilitated by Dolan's older-but wiser and mostly hands-off approach to the team this year.

Yea, really.

Woodson, Grunwald, Dolan ,etc. have done a great job.

I'm all for giving praise and credit.

But D'antoni?

That's disgusting.

Find where I praise MDA?

Grunwald and Dolan doing a great job? They doing their jobs.

Woodson is doing a great job.

Find where I praise MDA?

Can we talk about basketball sometimes? Its a basketball thread. There are circle jerk ones today to get all the self congradulatory phrases and swim in a sea of man juice.

If He want 4 corners, we'd be talking Dean smith. If he went grindhouse, we can talk old school Riley.

SSOL made a visit with us last nite and we won. Its not a validation that some of you fear, its just a good coach who took a page form a very think binder with lots of other pages and used it.

Nobody said we should adapt it going forward.

Reading is fundamental!

Creating a "SSOL visited" thread after a 20 point blowout of Miami sounds like praise to me.

gunsnewing @ 12/7/2012 12:28 PM
Nalod wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Since we all so giddy with new threads and I read in the heat of post victory glory and afterglow some wonderful comments about MDA, I looked up a stat that was interesting:

Knicks took 135 shots last nite. 44 from 3pt.

HEat took 94 shots last nite. 16 from 3pt.

There was no superstar go to guy.

Felton had his best game.

What you saw was Linsanity but this time with Felton.

Most important stat was the team hits hit shots.

Make no doubt that was a great win and without Melo its great that we can do this.

But......thats one game and I don't think the team can or should even try to do this every game.

This was a marquee matchup and knicks went all in and played GREAT DEFENSE.

Woodson did a great job last nite and is the COTY so far. Good coaches take from others and Last nite he borrowed SSOL. Its ok as long as he puts it back in the binder and does not use it every nite. This is how you beat the Heat. Wear them down.

I am in no way saying or diluting Melo or Amare here. WE need them to be a big part of this team.

64 games to go. One at at time.

Sorry, that was sarcasim. I read the "Phuch MDA bitcyes" in the game thread and thats what I reffered to. Not in support of MDA here.

I said long ago his record speaks for itself. I don't need to speak for him.

You said people are discrediting MDA when his 4yrs here were a complete and utter diaster

nixluva @ 12/7/2012 12:29 PM
Nalod don't worry I got your back on this one.

You guys keep missing the point. WOODY HIMSELF SAID HE WAS KEEPING A LOT OF MDA'S OFFENSE!!! What the hell do you think we've been running all year. It's some of Woody's stuff and some of MDA's stuff plain and simple. Also i'll say this again for the hard of hearing, we pretty much NEVER ran SSOL here in NY. MDA tried but the team couldn't handle that pace, so he went with a slowed down version. You guys have really no sense of what SSOL was like anymore. They ran even off makes, none of our Knicks teams was that fast.

For further support of what i've been saying:

They took the game by 20 points, and in the fourth quarter it never closer than ten. This was domination. Obviously, credit the players for their hot shooting and moving the basketball. Also credit Mike Woodson for coming up with a plan that this group could execute, putting them in a position to succeed with top gun Carmelo Anthony on the bench.

Know who else deserves credit? Mike D’Antoni.

Watching the Knicks on Thursday night was akin to watching them at any time during the past three seasons: run the high screen-and-roll, spread the floor and find the open man.

Felton took Jeremy Lin’s spot in his own little version of Linsanity. When the Heat went under the pick-and-roll, there was an open jumper. When they trapped, the Knicks were one pass away from an open three or Tyson Chandler at the rim. When they switched, it became a mismatch for the Knicks guards, who took it to the hoop.

It was unstoppable. It was Mike D’Antoni’s system at its best. It was the only way the Knicks could have won last night without Carmelo Anthony.

We’ve seen Woodson employ that offense for stretches this season, but never for nearly an entire game like against Miami. After he got the job, Woodson said he would be foolish not to continue to utilize some of Mike D’Antoni’s system in his offense. There were many skeptics, mostly because of the Knicks’ plodding and ball-stopping ways late last year. Now, it’s pretty obvious that was due to a complete lack of competent point guard play after Jeremy Lin got hurt.

Woodson deserves a ton of credit for not being stubborn and adjusting his style to make the team better. Many coaches have their way and stick with it no matter what, but he did what was best for the players and the team.

The Knicks have officially come full circle. They now have the best of both worlds. For all the Knicks fans that couldn’t stand D’Antoni, they now have his offensive system and the players to run it at their disposal when needed. The Knicks lead the NBA in three-pointers — both attempted and made. Last night they shot a ridiculous 44 and made 18. They have a stable of point guards to get those open shots that D’Antoni would sell his soul for.

They also have the defensive intensity and accountability that comes with Woodson. It’s a combination the league is having a hard time dealing with, and I don’t think that’s going to change any time soon.

D’Antoni may not have won a title here with the Knicks. He couldn’t even win a playoff game. But he helped lay the foundation that will help the Knicks contend for a championship this year.

For that, at least, we can remember him fondly.

Schmeelk’s Snippets

- So this means the Knicks are better without Carmelo Anthony right? I hope no one actually is saying that this morning, but I wouldn’t put it past his detractors.

- Raymond Felton will not shoot like that from behind the arc often, but you have to love the way he attacked the paint and found the open man. He showed no fear and only had three turnovers as the primary ball handler against a hawkish Heat defense. The Knicks had just seven turnovers as a team. WOW!

- You’ve got to love the balanced scoring. The Knicks had six players in double figures and eight players with seven points or more.

- The Heat shut down Steve Novak in last year’s playoffs because the Knicks’ ball movement was terrible. Well, it wasn’t in the first two matchups this year and he is getting open looks all over the place.

- Ronnie Brewer did a good job against LeBron James. He has the size and strength to prevent LeBron from bullying him like he does so many other guards.

- LeBron James got no help from his two wingmen last night, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade. No-shows. Wade had the Heat’s worst +/- last night, -31. Bosh was second worst with -21. Yikes.

- Something is not right with Miami. Could they have grown complacent so quickly after just one championship? I just don’t sense an edge, especially on defense.

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