Knicks · Last three games Ray Felton (page 2)

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Weren't you the one complaining about others bringing up Lin at every turn a while back?

and complaining about TKF being an "I told you so" poster.

But what did TKF "I told you so" about what? Complaining about Carmelo at every turn even though the Knicks are off to their best start since 1993-94. Tell me how is that warranted? I remember that 1994 season. I phucking loved that whole squad from Ewing and Oak all the way to freakin useless Eric Anderson. It's like hating on Patrick Ewing for 30 thread pages when you have the best record in the East. How is that warranted, Bonn?

There was a piece of data (1 game) that was consistent with his view and he discussed it. We beat the best team by 20 points without Melo. If the reverse happened (we had lost to the worst team in the league by 20 points without Melo), I'm sure we'd see lots of "I told you so" comments too. And they'd probably be worded much more harshly (comments like "sabermetrics is bullshit")

gunsnewing wrote:2 wrongs don't make a right

"I told you so"s are just an inherent part of message board posting. I don't view it it terms of right and wrong.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Weren't you the one complaining about others bringing up Lin at every turn a while back?

and complaining about TKF being an "I told you so" poster.

But what did TKF "I told you so" about what? Complaining about Carmelo at every turn even though the Knicks are off to their best start since 1993-94. Tell me how is that warranted? I remember that 1994 season. I phucking loved that whole squad from Ewing and Oak all the way to freakin useless Eric Anderson. It's like hating on Patrick Ewing for 30 thread pages when you have the best record in the East. How is that warranted, Bonn?

There was a piece of data (1 game) that was consistent with his view and he discussed it. We beat the best team by 20 points without Melo. If the reverse happened (we had lost to the worst team in the league by 20 points without Melo), I'm sure we'd see lots of "I told you so" comments too. And they'd probably be worded much more harshly (comments like "sabermetrics is bullshit")

But didn't we beat the best team with Melo by 20 also?

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Weren't you the one complaining about others bringing up Lin at every turn a while back?

and complaining about TKF being an "I told you so" poster.

But what did TKF "I told you so" about what? Complaining about Carmelo at every turn even though the Knicks are off to their best start since 1993-94. Tell me how is that warranted? I remember that 1994 season. I phucking loved that whole squad from Ewing and Oak all the way to freakin useless Eric Anderson. It's like hating on Patrick Ewing for 30 thread pages when you have the best record in the East. How is that warranted, Bonn?

There was a piece of data (1 game) that was consistent with his view and he discussed it. We beat the best team by 20 points without Melo. If the reverse happened (we had lost to the worst team in the league by 20 points without Melo), I'm sure we'd see lots of "I told you so" comments too. And they'd probably be worded much more harshly (comments like "sabermetrics is bullshit")

But didn't we beat the best team with Melo by 20 also?

Yeah, so if we use those two games as the sole evidence (and I'm not suggesting we should but you brought it up), the conclusion would be zero net impact of Melo.

Felton has been amazing. He is fearless and I was sure that he would have to come out when Haslem smacked his bruised thumb. The guy is a warrior.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Weren't you the one complaining about others bringing up Lin at every turn a while back?

and complaining about TKF being an "I told you so" poster.

But what did TKF "I told you so" about what? Complaining about Carmelo at every turn even though the Knicks are off to their best start since 1993-94. Tell me how is that warranted? I remember that 1994 season. I phucking loved that whole squad from Ewing and Oak all the way to freakin useless Eric Anderson. It's like hating on Patrick Ewing for 30 thread pages when you have the best record in the East. How is that warranted, Bonn?

There was a piece of data (1 game) that was consistent with his view and he discussed it. We beat the best team by 20 points without Melo. If the reverse happened (we had lost to the worst team in the league by 20 points without Melo), I'm sure we'd see lots of "I told you so" comments too. And they'd probably be worded much more harshly (comments like "sabermetrics is bullshit")

But didn't we beat the best team with Melo by 20 also?

Yeah, so if we use those two games as the sole evidence (and I'm not suggesting we should but you brought it up), the conclusion would be zero net impact of Melo.

So if we toss out those 2 games, we're still 12-4 with Melo leading the way right?

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Weren't you the one complaining about others bringing up Lin at every turn a while back?

and complaining about TKF being an "I told you so" poster.

But what did TKF "I told you so" about what? Complaining about Carmelo at every turn even though the Knicks are off to their best start since 1993-94. Tell me how is that warranted? I remember that 1994 season. I phucking loved that whole squad from Ewing and Oak all the way to freakin useless Eric Anderson. It's like hating on Patrick Ewing for 30 thread pages when you have the best record in the East. How is that warranted, Bonn?

There was a piece of data (1 game) that was consistent with his view and he discussed it. We beat the best team by 20 points without Melo. If the reverse happened (we had lost to the worst team in the league by 20 points without Melo), I'm sure we'd see lots of "I told you so" comments too. And they'd probably be worded much more harshly (comments like "sabermetrics is bullshit")

But didn't we beat the best team with Melo by 20 also?

Yeah, so if we use those two games as the sole evidence (and I'm not suggesting we should but you brought it up), the conclusion would be zero net impact of Melo.

In true fairness it should be less than Zero, the 20 point win on the road should be weighed more than the 20 point win at home. Road win should get .386809877975 added to it in Rube Goldberg adding machine..... eventually making a burnt piece of toast.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Weren't you the one complaining about others bringing up Lin at every turn a while back?

and complaining about TKF being an "I told you so" poster.

But what did TKF "I told you so" about what? Complaining about Carmelo at every turn even though the Knicks are off to their best start since 1993-94. Tell me how is that warranted? I remember that 1994 season. I phucking loved that whole squad from Ewing and Oak all the way to freakin useless Eric Anderson. It's like hating on Patrick Ewing for 30 thread pages when you have the best record in the East. How is that warranted, Bonn?

There was a piece of data (1 game) that was consistent with his view and he discussed it. We beat the best team by 20 points without Melo. If the reverse happened (we had lost to the worst team in the league by 20 points without Melo), I'm sure we'd see lots of "I told you so" comments too. And they'd probably be worded much more harshly (comments like "sabermetrics is bullshit")

But didn't we beat the best team with Melo by 20 also?

Yeah, so if we use those two games as the sole evidence (and I'm not suggesting we should but you brought it up), the conclusion would be zero net impact of Melo.

So if we toss out those 2 games, we're still 12-4 with Melo leading the way right?

Actually 60-52

Mr. 535.......... doesn't have the ring of Mr.4whatever, yeah I would just go with the overall record.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Weren't you the one complaining about others bringing up Lin at every turn a while back?

and complaining about TKF being an "I told you so" poster.

But what did TKF "I told you so" about what? Complaining about Carmelo at every turn even though the Knicks are off to their best start since 1993-94. Tell me how is that warranted? I remember that 1994 season. I phucking loved that whole squad from Ewing and Oak all the way to freakin useless Eric Anderson. It's like hating on Patrick Ewing for 30 thread pages when you have the best record in the East. How is that warranted, Bonn?

There was a piece of data (1 game) that was consistent with his view and he discussed it. We beat the best team by 20 points without Melo. If the reverse happened (we had lost to the worst team in the league by 20 points without Melo), I'm sure we'd see lots of "I told you so" comments too. And they'd probably be worded much more harshly (comments like "sabermetrics is bullshit")

But didn't we beat the best team with Melo by 20 also?

Yeah, so if we use those two games as the sole evidence (and I'm not suggesting we should but you brought it up), the conclusion would be zero net impact of Melo.

So if we toss out those 2 games, we're still 12-4 with Melo leading the way right?

Actually 60-52

Haha nice...we're getting there Bonn!

Hopefully we'll get to .600 soon!

gunsnewing wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We absolutely did steal him. As i said when we first got him this summer, had we not traded him, we probably would have resigned him for 10 mil per year. We got him for less than half his true value in this league.

Interesting take but Knicks had Felton as a stop gap and were going to go after CP3. Then Walsh left and Grunwald traded for Tyson. But it worked out great for the Knicks at $4mil per

Felton was a stopgap, but we weren't getting CP3. Ultimately Felton was proving to be good enough to resign for a large contract at the time.

gunsnewing wrote:2 wrongs don't make a right

Unless you are Melo, then two wrongs make a right corner turnaround gamewinner

I am still not sold on Felton (I am still a big supporter of him) - But he is shooting a lot and scoring a lot but very low efficiency recently. I know he is being asked to carry the load and playing hurt but his decision making is still questionable.