Doesn't help when Felton, Smith, Brewer, Novak, Kidd, Prigioni and Wallace combine for 18/69
MaTT4281 wrote:"Knicks 5 game winning streak in severe jeopardy now."Really Mike? Thanks for the insight...
I don't know why he still does knicks games, he's really anti knicks with a mask on.
Send him on the same shuttle flight with Kelly Tripuka will ya
Not even mad though. Time to move on and focus on tomorrow. We won't have many bad shooting nights like this.
Geez 30 FGA from Felton...has Melo put up this many attempts this year?
Woody is gonna have to find a solution to the 3pt chucking system, it's only a matter of time before teams routinely start chasing us off the 3pt line.
I'm not upset at all. Fans hold athletes to a impossible standard. Those of us who played and have played ball know that you don't shoot/play well every time you hit the court. It's called being human. My coach used to say that you will lose games, just don't go on losing streaks.
3G4G wrote:Geez 30 FGA from Felton...has Melo put up this many attempts this year?Woody is gonna have to find a solution to the 3pt chucking system, it's only a matter of time before teams routinely start chasing us off the 3pt line.
Im sure hes hoping we get some inside presence with Amare's return
chicago is a tough team but still i felt we let this slip away. the mavs and nets games left a bitter taste in my mouth more though
Felton had a lot of unintentional shots off the pick and roll because the roll player couldn't get there and at that point you kind of have to just throw it up there because he wasn't looking to shoot.
Melo would have made a huge difference tonight.
Oh well, can't win em all and we're still 14-5.
We fought hard but a few of our main guys were off tonite. You have to play a great game on the road to win, we had too many turnovers and missed layups.
CashMoney wrote:Melo would have made a huge difference tonight. Oh well, can't win em all and we're still 14-5.
True on both statements
If we had either Amar'e or Melo tonight, we'd have had enough offense to win. We just didn't have enough against this style of play. And, geez, is it just me, or are the Bulls uglier than the '90s Knicks ever were? I know those Knicks were physical, but I remember them being really efficient also. And Ewing's game was always a thing of beauty. I know that they don't have Rose so they 'have' to play this way to be competitive, and it works for them. The team is to be commended for their 11-8 record w/o Rose and after losing Asik and Korver. Still, I'm glad I don't have to watch them play every night, lol.
knicks are an old team and back to backs are tough on them.
felton can't orchestrate to save his life so when kidd and the other one-foot-in-the-grave-ers don't show up the knicks are in deeeep doodoo.
fortunately tomorrow night is against the nuggets. should be a cakewalk
dk7th wrote:knicks are an old team and back to backs are tough on them. felton can't orchestrate to save his life so when kidd and the other one-foot-in-the-grave-ers don't show up the knicks are in deeeep doodoo.
fortunately tomorrow night is against the nuggets. should be a cakewalk
Knicks win this game if they have Melo. If Felton tries to do too much it doesn't work. Fortunately he always seems remorseful and introspective after his super bad games and bounces back.
This game sucked. No one could shoot, "Bad Felton" was playing in all his inglory, and even with Tyson getting 18 rebound we were still out-rebounded by Chicago. Also, is JR ever going to have a good game again? I'm not entirely sure the last time he played well but I'm positive it's been awhile.
VCoug wrote:This game sucked. No one could shoot, "Bad Felton" was playing in all his inglory, and even with Tyson getting 18 rebound we were still out-rebounded by Chicago. Also, is JR ever going to have a good game again? I'm not entirely sure the last time he played well but I'm positive it's been awhile.
Agree. JR has been in a slump of sorts after hitting that buzzerbeater.
Nothing to make of this loss other than the Knicks offense needs Melo to generate open shots consistently for the rest of the team. Also, Amar'e would help greatly. Nothing I did not already know. I don't expect to win games against good defensive teams without Melo and/or Amar'e.
Look at it this way, if I told you we'd be 2-1 on a three-games-in-four-nights road trip, with one of those wins coming by 20 against the Heat in their own building, you'd be happy right? Also, we didn't have Melo for two of those games.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:knicks are an old team and back to backs are tough on them. felton can't orchestrate to save his life so when kidd and the other one-foot-in-the-grave-ers don't show up the knicks are in deeeep doodoo.
fortunately tomorrow night is against the nuggets. should be a cakewalk
Knicks win this game if they have Melo. If Felton tries to do too much it doesn't work. Fortunately he always seems remorseful and introspective after his super bad games and bounces back.
maybe. but the knicks looked tired. if melo had played maybe he makes them less tired but old teams on back to backs perform this way. look at what popovich does as an acknowledgement of this factor. if there ever was an excuse to shorten the season by 10 games it is that the players are playing longer but age can't be mitigated.
and you say "if" with felton-- i say "when" as in "he tries to do too much too often." in the thread about how well he is playing i listed, at misterearl's request, what constituted a bad game.
1) he can't stay in front of his assignment, forcing chandler to the bench with foul trouble-- this is the rule not the exception especially by the second round of the playoffs... should we make it that far.
2) he takes more than 14-15 shots and 4 or more are bad shots-- in 2 of the 4 losses he did just that. in the playoffs a bad shot is at least a momentum shifter and worse it leads to easy baskets for the opposition. in the playoffs a bad shot = turnover.
3) he overdribbles and commits more than 4 turnovers-- in the 5 games thus far with 4+ the knicks have lost 3 times.
he then responded with a pretty uncivil tone, after which i elucidated my points:
(1) if the perimeter defender cannot stay in front of his man then your shotblockers/shotchangers in the lane run the risk of getting into foul trouble. this is just common sense and fundamental basketball.
point (2) you used a game that we lost where he played well against arguably the #1 seed in the west. that was a good game for him which is why i did not include it. the response was focussing on his bad games in losses not good games in losses. but since you raise this as some sort of vindication, you should take a look at mike conley's game, where conley got into the lane repeatedly, and tyson chandler ended up with 5 fouls. conley's statline: 6-12, 8 assists, 2 TO, 2 steals, 60.1TS%. in other words, felton was outplayed in the loss to the grizzlies.
(3) you had better hope kidd does the orchestrating for this team, because relying on felton will jeopardize the team.
aside from crediting the chicago defense, kidd was tired. he's pushing 40! and when he gets tired he becomes ordinary, as his statline shows. and when he gets ordinary, felton implodes.
and why does felton implode? because he is not an orchestrator. he is playing the point guard position but lacks the requisite point guard skills.
as to melo helping, i am not sure if he can against this bulls squad. he doesn't do well when he is pressed. and i really don't see how anyone can say he "generates open looks" like this poster nupe has asserted. how does that work?
