Knicks · Kobe talks about Melo (page 11)
Hersports85 wrote:This is a business. Get over it. Carmelo did what was best for him and his family, which any MAN should do. That comes first, I don't care what anyone says. With the lock out a lot was uncertain, and for him to have an extension and his contract in place was important. We didn't have to sign him!!!! Go and get someone else. He wanted his contract situation to be done with whether it was with Nets or whomever, but the Knicks was the first choice.
wrong. an ETHICAL MAN would not have done what he did. and spare me the pathetic "family" angle WTF is that?!? the dude would have still made 85 million and you have no conception of how much that is, nor does he. it was pride not pragmatism. rest assured he doesn't understand "order of magnitude." but you do, right? "we didn't have to sign him"? again wrong. WALSH didn't have to sign him but DOLAN did-- but not for reasons of winning.
in business you define success by earnings. but in sports business success means WINNING. dolan doesn't understand this and carmelo didn't care. how convenient to talk "money" as business and only afterwards talk winning. both dolan and melo share false values. apparently some alleged "true knick fans" share those false values. i don't like hypocrites but that won't stop others from admiring hypocrites.
It's been great not having to read TKF's shtick on RealGM.
dk7th wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:TheloniusMonk wrote:Never thought I'd see the day that Knick "fans" root against the guy who is a main piece in leading them Knicks to success. It's baffling. Bets being made with the beter hoping that the Knick player DOESN'T get MVP of the NBA? Once upon a time stuff like that didn't happen around this proud city. This board either. These days, the prisoners are running the jail. It's weird. What happened here? Maybe these types of things bother me more than some others. Is everyone here from NY? Sometimes I get the feeling that the opinions I'm hearing are from that of a person from Tennessee somewhere, who happens to be a Knick "fan" but far from a New Yorker. Not saying every Knicks fan has to be from NYC but there is a pride that's missing with some. That diehard, ride or die, win-lose-or draw type thing. I don't know man....you are rooting for a dude who forced his way here primarily for money-- showing contempt for success and winning, heedless of the team that was being built here and with players had already endeared themselves to the fanbase. he had a willing partner for this transaction in the owner who has been nothing but a knuckle-dragging loser his whole tenure, caring only about putting fans in seats and treating the fanbase with a superlative amount of cynicism and contempt for years and years and years.
so while he is starting to succeed a little bit, it will always come at a price... for he has justly earned the contempt of those fans who saw what he did as contemptuous. in life you get back what you give, or what goes around comes around.
you want his detractors to shut up? WIN THE FUCKING TITLE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS
Leave the past behind, my friend. What's done is done.
You'll feel better trust me.
immanuel kant in the late 18th century posited that time is a projection of the mind having no bearing on actual existence. einstein corroborated this 100 years later by showing that reality is a web of space/time, ie that time is inextricably bound to space, and, again, not a phenomenon existing unto itself.
what am i getting at? the past is always with us whether we choose to acknowledge it or not, and is impossible to leave behind.
carmelo is playing with a TON of baggage and it isn't up to me to help him carry it.
What does his past have to do with this current crop of players?
He's never played with a guy like Jason Kidd before(sorry Chauncey). Let Melo and Knicks play now do the talking.
Leave the baggage behind, it's unhealthy to drum up the past. Everyone deserves a clean slate.
dk7th wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:TheloniusMonk wrote:Never thought I'd see the day that Knick "fans" root against the guy who is a main piece in leading them Knicks to success. It's baffling. Bets being made with the beter hoping that the Knick player DOESN'T get MVP of the NBA? Once upon a time stuff like that didn't happen around this proud city. This board either. These days, the prisoners are running the jail. It's weird. What happened here? Maybe these types of things bother me more than some others. Is everyone here from NY? Sometimes I get the feeling that the opinions I'm hearing are from that of a person from Tennessee somewhere, who happens to be a Knick "fan" but far from a New Yorker. Not saying every Knicks fan has to be from NYC but there is a pride that's missing with some. That diehard, ride or die, win-lose-or draw type thing. I don't know man....you are rooting for a dude who forced his way here primarily for money-- showing contempt for success and winning, heedless of the team that was being built here and with players had already endeared themselves to the fanbase. he had a willing partner for this transaction in the owner who has been nothing but a knuckle-dragging loser his whole tenure, caring only about putting fans in seats and treating the fanbase with a superlative amount of cynicism and contempt for years and years and years.
so while he is starting to succeed a little bit, it will always come at a price... for he has justly earned the contempt of those fans who saw what he did as contemptuous. in life you get back what you give, or what goes around comes around.
you want his detractors to shut up? WIN THE FUCKING TITLE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS
Leave the past behind, my friend. What's done is done.
You'll feel better trust me.
immanuel kant in the late 18th century posited that time is a projection of the mind having no bearing on actual existence. einstein corroborated this 100 years later by showing that reality is a web of space/time, ie that time is inextricably bound to space, and, again, not a phenomenon existing unto itself.
what am i getting at? the past is always with us whether we choose to acknowledge it or not, and is impossible to leave behind.
carmelo is playing with a TON of baggage and it isn't up to me to help him carry it.
good stuff dk..
dk7th wrote:Hersports85 wrote:This is a business. Get over it. Carmelo did what was best for him and his family, which any MAN should do. That comes first, I don't care what anyone says. With the lock out a lot was uncertain, and for him to have an extension and his contract in place was important. We didn't have to sign him!!!! Go and get someone else. He wanted his contract situation to be done with whether it was with Nets or whomever, but the Knicks was the first choice.wrong. an ETHICAL MAN would not have done what he did. and spare me the pathetic "family" angle WTF is that?!? the dude would have still made 85 million and you have no conception of how much that is, nor does he. it was pride not pragmatism. rest assured he doesn't understand "order of magnitude." but you do, right? "we didn't have to sign him"? again wrong. WALSH didn't have to sign him but DOLAN did-- but not for reasons of winning.
in business you define success by earnings. but in sports business success means WINNING. dolan doesn't understand this and carmelo didn't care. how convenient to talk "money" as business and only afterwards talk winning. both dolan and melo share false values. apparently some alleged "true knick fans" share those false values. i don't like hypocrites but that won't stop others from admiring hypocrites.
what is even worse is that most fans knew that carmelo coming here the way he did would strip the team of a lot of talent.. yet at the end of next year, their excuse was.... He had no help... go figure...
I am with you here, I am tired of the pathetic "family" angle.. not one nba player, from the stars down to the last man on the bench should have problems taking care of their families on NBA salaries.. It is ridiculous when I hear people use that angle...
DAntoniMustGo wrote:Wonder if certain Gallinari fanboys would be so down on Melo's numbers and impact on the #1 seed in the Eastern Conference if it were their prized Gallo who was putting up the same numbers and impact.It's been great not having to read TKF's shtick on RealGM.
so why are you here, again why troll the board, who is talking about gallo here?
It's been great not having to read TKF's shtick on RealGM.
i am sure yall are having a blast over there... smh, funny thing is, there are quite a few who would not agree with you.. and I have proof.....
dk7th wrote:I couldn't disagree more. Melo wanted out of Denver. With a lockout looming and owners threatening to take back players rights and restrict free agency he pushed to be traded. He would not have stayed in Denver past the trade deadline if the Knicks didn't make the move to get him. Most likely he would be a Net. The Nuggets were not going to wait and get nothing for him. This argumement that Anthony was going to wait for a new cba before getting a contract makes no sense. Expecting the Nuggets to take nothing for Melo so the Knicks could keep their team makes no sense. The previous summer teams like Cleveland and Toronto got destroyed by free agency. Don't you think DEnver would move him to prevent that. Come on now. You can't create fantasy scenarios that never would have happened and criticize a guy because you are not based in reality.TheloniusMonk wrote:Never thought I'd see the day that Knick "fans" root against the guy who is a main piece in leading them Knicks to success. It's baffling. Bets being made with the beter hoping that the Knick player DOESN'T get MVP of the NBA? Once upon a time stuff like that didn't happen around this proud city. This board either. These days, the prisoners are running the jail. It's weird. What happened here? Maybe these types of things bother me more than some others. Is everyone here from NY? Sometimes I get the feeling that the opinions I'm hearing are from that of a person from Tennessee somewhere, who happens to be a Knick "fan" but far from a New Yorker. Not saying every Knicks fan has to be from NYC but there is a pride that's missing with some. That diehard, ride or die, win-lose-or draw type thing. I don't know man....you are rooting for a dude who forced his way here primarily for money-- showing contempt for success and winning, heedless of the team that was being built here and with players had already endeared themselves to the fanbase. he had a willing partner for this transaction in the owner who has been nothing but a knuckle-dragging loser his whole tenure, caring only about putting fans in seats and treating the fanbase with a superlative amount of cynicism and contempt for years and years and years.
so while he is starting to succeed a little bit, it will always come at a price... for he has justly earned the contempt of those fans who saw what he did as contemptuous. in life you get back what you give, or what goes around comes around.
you want his detractors to shut up? WIN THE FUCKING TITLE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS
DAntoniMustGo wrote:Wonder if certain Gallinari fanboys would be so down on Melo's numbers and impact on the #1 seed in the Eastern Conference if it were their prized Gallo who was putting up the same numbers and impact.It's been great not having to read TKF's shtick on RealGM.
my guess is that you only became a knick fan when carmelo anthony came here, am i right? because that is exactly what you are conveying with this post. what was your username on realgm? mine has remained the same, and intentionally.
ChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:TheloniusMonk wrote:Never thought I'd see the day that Knick "fans" root against the guy who is a main piece in leading them Knicks to success. It's baffling. Bets being made with the beter hoping that the Knick player DOESN'T get MVP of the NBA? Once upon a time stuff like that didn't happen around this proud city. This board either. These days, the prisoners are running the jail. It's weird. What happened here? Maybe these types of things bother me more than some others. Is everyone here from NY? Sometimes I get the feeling that the opinions I'm hearing are from that of a person from Tennessee somewhere, who happens to be a Knick "fan" but far from a New Yorker. Not saying every Knicks fan has to be from NYC but there is a pride that's missing with some. That diehard, ride or die, win-lose-or draw type thing. I don't know man....you are rooting for a dude who forced his way here primarily for money-- showing contempt for success and winning, heedless of the team that was being built here and with players had already endeared themselves to the fanbase. he had a willing partner for this transaction in the owner who has been nothing but a knuckle-dragging loser his whole tenure, caring only about putting fans in seats and treating the fanbase with a superlative amount of cynicism and contempt for years and years and years.
so while he is starting to succeed a little bit, it will always come at a price... for he has justly earned the contempt of those fans who saw what he did as contemptuous. in life you get back what you give, or what goes around comes around.
you want his detractors to shut up? WIN THE FUCKING TITLE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS
Leave the past behind, my friend. What's done is done.
You'll feel better trust me.
immanuel kant in the late 18th century posited that time is a projection of the mind having no bearing on actual existence. einstein corroborated this 100 years later by showing that reality is a web of space/time, ie that time is inextricably bound to space, and, again, not a phenomenon existing unto itself.
what am i getting at? the past is always with us whether we choose to acknowledge it or not, and is impossible to leave behind.
carmelo is playing with a TON of baggage and it isn't up to me to help him carry it.
What does his past have to do with this current crop of players?
He's never played with a guy like Jason Kidd before(sorry Chauncey). Let Melo and Knicks play now do the talking.
Leave the baggage behind, it's unhealthy to drum up the past. Everyone deserves a clean slate.
It must be a once a day thing with dk and tk to bring up Melo bashing. When the rest of the NBA sites,Espn sites etc.. are saying that Melo is MVP material and when hes WAY up on the list for All Star Ballots seems like SOMEONE(TK AND DK) are just trolling to make themselves seem important. Honestly tk and dk cut the crap because you have nothing intelligent to say. I hope both of you have NBAtv and just go watch gallo, and the nuggs and put both hands down your pants and make your happy face.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:I couldn't disagree more. Melo wanted out of Denver. With a lockout looming and owners threatening to take back players rights and restrict free agency he pushed to be traded. He would not have stayed in Denver past the trade deadline if the Knicks didn't make the move to get him. Most likely he would be a Net. The Nuggets were not going to wait and get nothing for him. This argumement that Anthony was going to wait for a new cba before getting a contract makes no sense. Expecting the Nuggets to take nothing for Melo so the Knicks could keep their team makes no sense. The previous summer teams like Cleveland and Toronto got destroyed by free agency. Don't you think DEnver would move him to prevent that. Come on now. You can't create fantasy scenarios that never would have happened and criticize a guy because you are not based in reality.TheloniusMonk wrote:Never thought I'd see the day that Knick "fans" root against the guy who is a main piece in leading them Knicks to success. It's baffling. Bets being made with the beter hoping that the Knick player DOESN'T get MVP of the NBA? Once upon a time stuff like that didn't happen around this proud city. This board either. These days, the prisoners are running the jail. It's weird. What happened here? Maybe these types of things bother me more than some others. Is everyone here from NY? Sometimes I get the feeling that the opinions I'm hearing are from that of a person from Tennessee somewhere, who happens to be a Knick "fan" but far from a New Yorker. Not saying every Knicks fan has to be from NYC but there is a pride that's missing with some. That diehard, ride or die, win-lose-or draw type thing. I don't know man....you are rooting for a dude who forced his way here primarily for money-- showing contempt for success and winning, heedless of the team that was being built here and with players had already endeared themselves to the fanbase. he had a willing partner for this transaction in the owner who has been nothing but a knuckle-dragging loser his whole tenure, caring only about putting fans in seats and treating the fanbase with a superlative amount of cynicism and contempt for years and years and years.
so while he is starting to succeed a little bit, it will always come at a price... for he has justly earned the contempt of those fans who saw what he did as contemptuous. in life you get back what you give, or what goes around comes around.
you want his detractors to shut up? WIN THE FUCKING TITLE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS
And dk I really dont like the fact that you must use the F word. Very Immature
cooch2584 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:I couldn't disagree more. Melo wanted out of Denver. With a lockout looming and owners threatening to take back players rights and restrict free agency he pushed to be traded. He would not have stayed in Denver past the trade deadline if the Knicks didn't make the move to get him. Most likely he would be a Net. The Nuggets were not going to wait and get nothing for him. This argumement that Anthony was going to wait for a new cba before getting a contract makes no sense. Expecting the Nuggets to take nothing for Melo so the Knicks could keep their team makes no sense. The previous summer teams like Cleveland and Toronto got destroyed by free agency. Don't you think DEnver would move him to prevent that. Come on now. You can't create fantasy scenarios that never would have happened and criticize a guy because you are not based in reality.TheloniusMonk wrote:Never thought I'd see the day that Knick "fans" root against the guy who is a main piece in leading them Knicks to success. It's baffling. Bets being made with the beter hoping that the Knick player DOESN'T get MVP of the NBA? Once upon a time stuff like that didn't happen around this proud city. This board either. These days, the prisoners are running the jail. It's weird. What happened here? Maybe these types of things bother me more than some others. Is everyone here from NY? Sometimes I get the feeling that the opinions I'm hearing are from that of a person from Tennessee somewhere, who happens to be a Knick "fan" but far from a New Yorker. Not saying every Knicks fan has to be from NYC but there is a pride that's missing with some. That diehard, ride or die, win-lose-or draw type thing. I don't know man....you are rooting for a dude who forced his way here primarily for money-- showing contempt for success and winning, heedless of the team that was being built here and with players had already endeared themselves to the fanbase. he had a willing partner for this transaction in the owner who has been nothing but a knuckle-dragging loser his whole tenure, caring only about putting fans in seats and treating the fanbase with a superlative amount of cynicism and contempt for years and years and years.
so while he is starting to succeed a little bit, it will always come at a price... for he has justly earned the contempt of those fans who saw what he did as contemptuous. in life you get back what you give, or what goes around comes around.
you want his detractors to shut up? WIN THE FUCKING TITLE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS
And dk I really dont like the fact that you must use the F word. Very Immature
Why is it ok for dk and tk to make assumptions and tell us how Melo was thinking and what Nuggs Mgt was thinking,when he rips up posters for just enjoying this ride.Is it ok for tk and dk to make these assumptions and scenearios when they are doing it just for the sake of arguing? Nothing tk and dk is based on FACT,only on ASSumptions. THIS MAKES NO SENSE.
gunsnewing wrote:Boy this MVP discussion really took a turn for the worst
from what i have learned from others here, apparently the standard is merely being the "best" player on the team with the best record. by that dubious standard he most certainly is in the running for mvp, although there is a great deal of doubt what that has to do with being the most valuable player. since the team relies on jason kidd so much, an argument can be made that kidd's presence takes melo out of genuine contention. kidd is the glue to this team not melo. is melo scoring more efficiently and making more effort on defense? yes. is he in better shape, finally? yes. would the team implode if he were not playing? i don't think so. but kidd goes down and the knicks implode.
the difference is that kidd makes everyone else better and melo doesn't.
dk7th wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Boy this MVP discussion really took a turn for the worstfrom what i have learned from others here, apparently the standard is merely being the "best" player on the team with the best record. by that dubious standard he most certainly is in the running for mvp, although there is a great deal of doubt what that has to do with being the most valuable player. since the team relies on jason kidd so much, an argument can be made that kidd's presence takes melo out of genuine contention. kidd is the glue to this team not melo. is melo scoring more efficiently and making more effort on defense? yes. is he in better shape, finally? yes. would the team implode if he were not playing? i don't think so. but kidd goes down and the knicks implode.
the difference is that kidd makes everyone else better and melo doesn't.
3-1 without Kidd.
1-1 without Melo.
your argument is invalid.
OGkush121 wrote:18-6 last spring once D'Antoni left. Player of the month. Recovered enough ground to make the playoffs. Kidd is a nice addition. Melo is in contention for the mvp.dk7th wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Boy this MVP discussion really took a turn for the worstfrom what i have learned from others here, apparently the standard is merely being the "best" player on the team with the best record. by that dubious standard he most certainly is in the running for mvp, although there is a great deal of doubt what that has to do with being the most valuable player. since the team relies on jason kidd so much, an argument can be made that kidd's presence takes melo out of genuine contention. kidd is the glue to this team not melo. is melo scoring more efficiently and making more effort on defense? yes. is he in better shape, finally? yes. would the team implode if he were not playing? i don't think so. but kidd goes down and the knicks implode.
the difference is that kidd makes everyone else better and melo doesn't.
3-1 without Kidd.
1-1 without Melo.
your argument is invalid.
gunsnewing wrote:In contention but he won't win. You need numbers. You need more than 1 stat to actually win MVP. Melo only has the scoring. Lebron or Durant have better all around statsI agree that he probably doesn't get it but Melo always averages close to 7 boards a game.
tkf wrote:what is even worse is that most fans knew that carmelo coming here the way he did would strip the team of a lot of talent.. yet at the end of next year, their excuse was.... He had no help... go figure...
What are you talking about? That pre-trade team lacked overall talent to begin with. They were like 2 games above .500 as a struggling basketball team heading into the all-star break.
What "talent" are you talking about? Trading for Melo "stripped" the team of "alot" of talent? Please, explain.
We replaced an above average (at most) Gallo with one of the greatest players in the world in Melo at the SF position. Therefore you can not consider Gallo as being a "lost talent" but instead, as an outstanding upgrade in Melo.
Mozgov was a project rookie center from Russia. Only averaged 4 points, 3.1 boards and 0.7 blocks per game during 13.5 minutes per game. Some "talent". He's nothing more than a jag. 3rd string Center for Denver. Bench warmer. "Stripped of alot of talent". Please, enlighten us...
Eddy Curry? Was Eddy Curry one of those players in which you were speaking of when talking about stripping us of all that talent? Curry averaged 0.0 points off 0.0 minutes per game for the Knicks.
What about a career nothing in Anthony Randolph? Was AR the scrub you're talking about in regards to being "stripped" of "alot of talent"? The same AR who's averaging only 0.8 points per game this season? Or the AR who's only averaged 2.1 points as a Knick? Or what about the AR who's currently Denver's 13th man off the bench? Which one is it? Now make up your mind TKF...
Last but not least... That leaves WILSON CHANDLER!!! OH MY GOD PEOPLE! WE WERE "STRIPPED OF ALL THIS TALENT" for WILSON CHANDLER?!?!?!?
I just broke it down. That's who we "lost". Now, please enlighten us. Please explain in full detail and/or depth how the Knicks were "stripped of all this talent"?!?
And don't you even DARE mentioning Raymond Felton as a talent that we lost, when you've not only harped all over but also made fun of Felton non stop. Nice try.