gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:You guys are arguing about two below avg guards
Naw, give them some credit..Both are at least average...I'm tough on Lin but he isn't bad...
I change my post to help.
Statically they are both below avg and according to synergy Lin is the better defender. Although Synergy is not perfect but Lin is statically better.
I think both will improve and both could have worked here. I like Lin and I like Felton. I do believe Felton needs to shoot less and will once Amar'e and Shump gets back. Also, Hopefully Tyson will help Felton out like he is helping Kidd out by taking shots and driving to the basket which would take some more shots away from Felton.
So, just a question..U have seen both players with your own eyes??..Who is a better defender??
Slight edge to Felton on experience. Lin is a better PG
U do know PG are required to play defense as well...Edge Felton...
mrKnickShot wrote:holfresh wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:You guys are arguing about two below avg guards
Naw, give them some credit..Both are at least average...I'm tough on Lin but he isn't bad...
I change my post to help.
Statically they are both below avg and according to synergy Lin is the better defender. Although Synergy is not perfect but Lin is statically better.
I think both will improve and both could have worked here. I like Lin and I like Felton. I do believe Felton needs to shoot less and will once Amar'e and Shump gets back. Also, Hopefully Tyson will help Felton out like he is helping Kidd out by taking shots and driving to the basket which would take some more shots away from Felton.
So, just a question..U have seen both players with your own eyes??..Who is a better defender??
defense is not running around drunk like Felton and TD.
Lin plays much better team defense and is a far smarter defender.
Weren't the knicks a better defensive team with Lin at PG that Felton?
You are out of your cotton picking mind!!!!!
it's a very slight edge to Felton on experience. Lin gets more steals last year and this year. It's not even worth arguing. Both need to improve defensively
gunsnewing wrote:it's a very slight edge to Felton on experience. Lin gets more steals last year and this year. It's not even worth arguing. Both need to improve defensively
Lin gambles and gets burned all the time..Guys used to say DLee was a great rebounder..He would leave his man and go for the board constantly...Stats can be deceiving..
If you think Felton plays great defense than you haven't been watching. He is making the DPOY Tyson look bad. Our defense is 16th in the league this year and was getting worse every game. Major problem is our guards inability to stay in front of their men and giving up too many open 3's
gunsnewing wrote:If you think Felton plays great defense than you haven't been watching. He is making the DPOY Tyson look bad. Our defense is 16th in the league this year and was getting worse every game. Major problem is our guards inability to stay in front of their men and giving up too many open 3's
Our team defense has been spiraling backwards since the first 2 weeks, but I disagree with you on Tyson. He's making himself look bad. Dude doesn't even attempt to block or change a shot anymore.
mrKnickShot wrote:holfresh wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:You guys are arguing about two below avg guards
Naw, give them some credit..Both are at least average...I'm tough on Lin but he isn't bad...
I change my post to help.
Statically they are both below avg and according to synergy Lin is the better defender. Although Synergy is not perfect but Lin is statically better.
I think both will improve and both could have worked here. I like Lin and I like Felton. I do believe Felton needs to shoot less and will once Amar'e and Shump gets back. Also, Hopefully Tyson will help Felton out like he is helping Kidd out by taking shots and driving to the basket which would take some more shots away from Felton.
So, just a question..U have seen both players with your own eyes??..Who is a better defender??
defense is not running around drunk like Felton and TD.
Lin plays much better team defense and is a far smarter defender.
Weren't the knicks a better defensive team with Lin at PG that Felton?
Honestly, If you say u played ball...How embarrassing was it to watch Lin run into as many picks as he did defending last year as a Knick??..You say u know the game..Please elaborate on this...He looked like a college freshman, yes or no, be honest!!!!
Uptown wrote:gunsnewing wrote:If you think Felton plays great defense than you haven't been watching. He is making the DPOY Tyson look bad. Our defense is 16th in the league this year and was getting worse every game. Major problem is our guards inability to stay in front of their men and giving up too many open 3's
Our team defense has been spiraling backwards since the first 2 weeks, but I disagree with you on Tyson. He's making himself look bad. Dude doesn't even attempt to block or change a shot anymore.
I agree with you on the Tyson part. Tyson does not protect the lane but he is a good on ball shot blocker. Felton still needs to improve just like everyone on the team.
I don't watch to many Rockets games, when does Lin get the play again??..Does the fact the Westbrook doesn't look to be on pace to score 50 when TD is on the court have anything thing to do with this???
Uptown wrote:gunsnewing wrote:If you think Felton plays great defense than you haven't been watching. He is making the DPOY Tyson look bad. Our defense is 16th in the league this year and was getting worse every game. Major problem is our guards inability to stay in front of their men and giving up too many open 3's
Our team defense has been spiraling backwards since the first 2 weeks, but I disagree with you on Tyson. He's making himself look bad. Dude doesn't even attempt to block or change a shot anymore.
Yea but its not all on Tyson. Tyson's defense has been very erratic. Felton has been getting beat backdoor all year whether its tyson, KT, Sheed or Camby trying to protect the paint
Hey metrics guys, Sefolosha has a +27 in the plus/minus column, Is that good???
holfresh wrote:Hey metrics guys, Sefolosha has a +27 in the plus/minus column, Is that good???
Metric guys are not real fans of +/- .
yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:Hey metrics guys, Sefolosha has a +27 in the plus/minus column, Is that good???
Metric guys are not real fans of +/- .
Yeah, it's a bad stat
yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:Hey metrics guys, Sefolosha has a +27 in the plus/minus column, Is that good???
Metric guys are not real fans of +/- .
yeah..Wanted to asked someone Lin is a +15 and his team is down by 25...That's a 40 point deficit when he isn't on the court...Does that now make him a good defender by those stat dudes???
I must admit, I was fully expecting Lin to do a little stat pad when the game was out of reach...Like he did when he was here...Didn't happen..Big ups...He is growing up...
holfresh wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:Hey metrics guys, Sefolosha has a +27 in the plus/minus column, Is that good???
Metric guys are not real fans of +/- .
yeah..Wanted to asked someone Lin is a +15 and his team is down by 25...That's a 40 point deficit when he isn't on the court...Does that now make him a good defender by those stat dudes???
Maybe but those stat dudes are clueless. It might be like having a Ferrari but not knowing how to drive. Anyone paying attention to +/- just doesn't know how to use stats.
holfresh wrote:I must admit, I was fully expecting Lin to do a little stat pad when the game was out of reach...Like he did when he was here...Didn't happen..Big ups...He is growing up...
He has been basically benched tonite.
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:Hey metrics guys, Sefolosha has a +27 in the plus/minus column, Is that good???
Metric guys are not real fans of +/- .
yeah..Wanted to asked someone Lin is a +15 and his team is down by 25...That's a 40 point deficit when he isn't on the court...Does that now make him a good defender by those stat dudes???
Maybe but those stat dudes are clueless. It might be like having a Ferrari but not knowing how to drive. Anyone paying attention to +/- just doesn't know how to use stats.
Fair enough...
holfresh wrote:I must admit, I was fully expecting Lin to do a little stat pad when the game was out of reach...Like he did when he was here...Didn't happen..Big ups...He is growing up...
What's he supposed to do when the game is out of reach? Intentionally miss shots?
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:Hey metrics guys, Sefolosha has a +27 in the plus/minus column, Is that good???
Metric guys are not real fans of +/- .
Yeah, it's a bad stat
Oh man, it's nice to hear someone else say that. It's become so common to talk about individual player's +/- in single games that I'd pretty much stopped even talking about it. No one should be using +/- unless you're talking about 3, 4, and 5-man lineups.
VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:Hey metrics guys, Sefolosha has a +27 in the plus/minus column, Is that good???
Metric guys are not real fans of +/- .
Yeah, it's a bad stat
Oh man, it's nice to hear someone else say that. It's become so common to talk about individual player's +/- in single games that I'd pretty much stopped even talking about it. No one should be using +/- unless you're talking about 3, 4, and 5-man lineups.
Tell that to Alan Hahn. He swears by it
