knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:Let's put it this way, last Summer no other team in the league offered JR a contract and we never offered one to Lin. To try and parse out the loyalty levels of different players in different situations is basically useless.
Well if you believe all that was written, we couldn't offer Lin a contract, maybe because he wanted more than the 5 mil per...Also JR said he had other options...If u need a link let me know...
"I have decided to re-sign with the Knicks. I just felt that, despite my other options, New York is the best situation for me," Smith said in a statement released to ESPNNewYork.com. "Coach (Mike) Woodson showed a lot of faith and trust in me last season, as did (Knicks owner) Mr. (James) Dolan and the organization.
"My teammates are great to play with and New York fans are the best. I can't wait to get started."
There is absolutely no reason we couldn't have offered Lin a contract. None. And there wasn't a single report that any other team inquired about JR and his availability.
We might be playing word games here which is very common on this board...You might be correct..The Knicks could have offered him 5 mil per but I think his camp told the Knicks they were seeking more money than that which is why they said they would match anything...
None of this makes sense. Lin was not offered a contract at all by the Knicks, and the rest of your post is pure speculation.
It might not make sense if u didn't understand that under the new CBA the Knicks were not allowed to offer him a contract over 5 mil per...This topic was address in the article that questioned Lin's intelligence as a Harvard grad for signing with Houston..
So you really think the Knicks didn't offer a contract because they....and Lin's camp knew they could get more? Come on now.They didn't offer him a deal because they wanted him to set his own market....plain and simple.
So, your point is you don't believe the new CBA prevented the Knicks from offering him more than 5 mil?
That part is irrelevant, no team could offer more than 5, so how does that stop them from offering a deal?
He signed with Houston who is paying him 8 mil per..I'm not sure what u are getting at???
What? Houston is paying him 5, the cap hit is 8...it's based on average of the deal.Just admit you don't know what you're talking about in this case.
So what are they paying him in his third year?
14.9 to be exact....the cap hit is even across at 8.3
Houston is paying him $8per for 3 years
we would've been paying him $5, $5 & $15
and had we been more proactive instead of reactive we could've locked him up before Houston added the poison pill last minute
Instead we were focused on trading Shumpert for Nash and expecting Nash to accept a measly $5mil MLE
No wonder we still have Lin convo's...can't even get the contract right.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-be...
Houston's offer sheet for Lin, who has started 25 career games, would pay him $5 million next season, $5.225 million in 2013-14 and $14.9 million in '13-14. Under the Gilbert Arenas rule adopted in the 2005 collective bargaining agreement, that is how Lin will be paid whether he's in Houston or New York. But the rule calls for the Rockets' cap hit to be the yearly average of the deal, approximately $8 million annually. If the Knicks matched, Lin would count against the cap the amount that he actually is paid each year.
knickscity wrote:14.9 to be exact....the cap hit is even across at 8.3
No, the point is that the Knicks could not have offered him that much money in said period of time, which is why they didn't offer him a contract..Knowing he could get more money elsewhere which he did...
holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:14.9 to be exact....the cap hit is even across at 8.3
No, the point is that the Knicks could not have offered him that much money in said period of time, which is why they didn't offer him a contract..Knowing he could get more money elsewhere which he did...
You cannot be serious....
Knicks offer the 4 year deal, he takes the deal and there would be no Houston....they wanted him to set his price, which is what happened.
knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:14.9 to be exact....the cap hit is even across at 8.3
No, the point is that the Knicks could not have offered him that much money in said period of time, which is why they didn't offer him a contract..Knowing he could get more money elsewhere which he did...
You cannot be serious....Knicks offer the 4 year deal, he takes the deal and there would be no Houston....they wanted him to set his price, which is what happened.
So in your math book, a four year deal for less money at 20 mil is preferable over a three year deal, considering the Knicks offering him their max allowable under the CBA at 5 mil per??
holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.
Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.
But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?
holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:14.9 to be exact....the cap hit is even across at 8.3
No, the point is that the Knicks could not have offered him that much money in said period of time, which is why they didn't offer him a contract..Knowing he could get more money elsewhere which he did...
You cannot be serious....Knicks offer the 4 year deal, he takes the deal and there would be no Houston....they wanted him to set his price, which is what happened.
So in your math book, a four year deal for less money at 20 mil is preferable over a three year deal, considering the Knicks offering him their max allowable under the CBA at 5 mil per??
In your math book you didn't include raises.
Lin signed a 3 year 24.9 mil deal with Houston....the max the Knicks could have offered was literally the same...over four years....24.3.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/817934...
Montgomery and Tanner were hoping to receive an offer. The Knicks could offer Lin a four-year deal worth $24.3 million before he even hit the open market. While sources say Lin still would have tested the market -- where other clubs could offer as much as $40 million over four years, complete with the "poison pill'' -- Lin's representatives felt a Knicks offer right off the bat would have shown that New York was truly prioritizing him as much as they said.
knickscity wrote:holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.
But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?
Bro u are absolutely confusing me...So what was all the posturing by Woody about when he said he would match anything...If the Knicks could have offer Lin more money, then this is certainly news to me...Then u are right, I don't understand what was going on...But u might have to provide proof the Knicks could have offered more than Houston..Ur word don't exactly cut it..I think u are completely wrong on this...
holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:Let's put it this way, last Summer no other team in the league offered JR a contract and we never offered one to Lin. To try and parse out the loyalty levels of different players in different situations is basically useless.
Well if you believe all that was written, we couldn't offer Lin a contract, maybe because he wanted more than the 5 mil per...Also JR said he had other options...If u need a link let me know...
"I have decided to re-sign with the Knicks. I just felt that, despite my other options, New York is the best situation for me," Smith said in a statement released to ESPNNewYork.com. "Coach (Mike) Woodson showed a lot of faith and trust in me last season, as did (Knicks owner) Mr. (James) Dolan and the organization.
"My teammates are great to play with and New York fans are the best. I can't wait to get started."
Agree. I also think Houston was in a very unique situation because they had moved so much cap to make a run at Howard. I believe but I am not positive that they were the only team in the NBA that could offer a contract like they did to Lin and Asik. The new cba really screwed the Bulls and Knicks in that regard as the cap hit for Houston because of their cap space was the average amount per year of the contract. For NY and Chicago it was 15 mil in yr 3 when the penalties for being over the cap are much more severe and the restrictions for teams over the cap increase. Lin would have to have not signed that offer or taken 5 mil annually from the Knicks. He did what was best for him and I don't see any reason to hold it against him. I know some post about how a couple of million here or there doesn't matter, or if its Dolan's money an extra 60 million doesn't matter, but it really does. I am glad JR made the decision he did.
gunsnewing wrote:Houston is paying him $8per for 3 yearswe would've been paying him $5, $5 & $15
and had we been more proactive instead of reactive we could've locked him up before Houston added the poison pill last minute
Instead we were focused on trading Shumpert for Nash and expecting Nash to accept a measly $5mil MLE
Being proactive would have forced Lin to sign for 5 mil per. He would have left 9 mil on the table for just three years. The Knicks were trying to do right by him and pay him more than 5 mil. They didn't anticipate that someone would structure a contract the way Houston did. Knicks would have matched the first offer.
holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.
But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?
Bro u are absolutely confusing me...So what was all the posturing by Woody about when he said he would match anything...If the Knicks could have offer Lin more money, then this is certainly news to me...Then u are right, I don't understand what was going on...But u might have to provide proof the Knicks could have offered more than Houston..Ur word don't exactly cut it..I think u are completely wrong on this...
No team could offer more than NY could match....that is all you need to know.
Does not matter if they offer a deal or not the power was THEIRS.
And you have to stop believing media hype, no one from the Knicks management said they'll match anything.
Find a Knick official who said this.
The coach does not cut the checks or sign the agreements.
Grunwald said "they could if they wanted to".
knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.
But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?
Bro u are absolutely confusing me...So what was all the posturing by Woody about when he said he would match anything...If the Knicks could have offer Lin more money, then this is certainly news to me...Then u are right, I don't understand what was going on...But u might have to provide proof the Knicks could have offered more than Houston..Ur word don't exactly cut it..I think u are completely wrong on this...
No team could offer more than NY could match....that is all you need to know.
Does not matter if they offer a deal or not the power was THEIRS.
And you have to stop believing media hype, no one from the Knicks management said they'll match anything.
Find a Knick official who said this.
The coach does not cut the checks or sign the agreements.
Grunwald said "they could if they wanted to".
Before we get into who said what...Let's clear up the math, You do realize 24 mil over 3 years is more money than 24 mil over 4 years???
holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.
But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?
Bro u are absolutely confusing me...So what was all the posturing by Woody about when he said he would match anything...If the Knicks could have offer Lin more money, then this is certainly news to me...Then u are right, I don't understand what was going on...But u might have to provide proof the Knicks could have offered more than Houston..Ur word don't exactly cut it..I think u are completely wrong on this...
No team could offer more than NY could match....that is all you need to know.
Does not matter if they offer a deal or not the power was THEIRS.
And you have to stop believing media hype, no one from the Knicks management said they'll match anything.
Find a Knick official who said this.
The coach does not cut the checks or sign the agreements.
Grunwald said "they could if they wanted to".
Before we get into who said what...Let's clear up the math, You do realize 24 mil over 3 years is more money than 24 mil over 4 years???
Irrelevant....they can match whatever is offered.
Quit dodging your very first point, address that point first.
You said the Knicks offered no contract because they couldn't offer more than others could....false.
holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.
But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?
Bro u are absolutely confusing me...So what was all the posturing by Woody about when he said he would match anything...If the Knicks could have offer Lin more money, then this is certainly news to me...Then u are right, I don't understand what was going on...But u might have to provide proof the Knicks could have offered more than Houston..Ur word don't exactly cut it..I think u are completely wrong on this...
No team could offer more than NY could match....that is all you need to know.
Does not matter if they offer a deal or not the power was THEIRS.
And you have to stop believing media hype, no one from the Knicks management said they'll match anything.
Find a Knick official who said this.
The coach does not cut the checks or sign the agreements.
Grunwald said "they could if they wanted to".
Before we get into who said what...Let's clear up the math, You do realize 24 mil over 3 years is more money than 24 mil over 4 years???
Actually, it's the same money - it just comes one year quicker!
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.
But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?
Bro u are absolutely confusing me...So what was all the posturing by Woody about when he said he would match anything...If the Knicks could have offer Lin more money, then this is certainly news to me...Then u are right, I don't understand what was going on...But u might have to provide proof the Knicks could have offered more than Houston..Ur word don't exactly cut it..I think u are completely wrong on this...
No team could offer more than NY could match....that is all you need to know.
Does not matter if they offer a deal or not the power was THEIRS.
And you have to stop believing media hype, no one from the Knicks management said they'll match anything.
Find a Knick official who said this.
The coach does not cut the checks or sign the agreements.
Grunwald said "they could if they wanted to".
Before we get into who said what...Let's clear up the math, You do realize 24 mil over 3 years is more money than 24 mil over 4 years???
Actually, it's the same money - it just comes one year quicker!
hahah...Is this a joke, am I being tooled??
knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.
But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?
Bro u are absolutely confusing me...So what was all the posturing by Woody about when he said he would match anything...If the Knicks could have offer Lin more money, then this is certainly news to me...Then u are right, I don't understand what was going on...But u might have to provide proof the Knicks could have offered more than Houston..Ur word don't exactly cut it..I think u are completely wrong on this...
No team could offer more than NY could match....that is all you need to know.
Does not matter if they offer a deal or not the power was THEIRS.
And you have to stop believing media hype, no one from the Knicks management said they'll match anything.
Find a Knick official who said this.
The coach does not cut the checks or sign the agreements.
Grunwald said "they could if they wanted to".
Before we get into who said what...Let's clear up the math, You do realize 24 mil over 3 years is more money than 24 mil over 4 years???
Irrelevant....they can match whatever is offered.Quit dodging your very first point, address that point first.
You said the Knicks offered no contract because they couldn't offer more than others could....false.
Well, if you are serious...That is my first point...24 over 3 does not equal 24 over 4...
knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.
But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?
Bro u are absolutely confusing me...So what was all the posturing by Woody about when he said he would match anything...If the Knicks could have offer Lin more money, then this is certainly news to me...Then u are right, I don't understand what was going on...But u might have to provide proof the Knicks could have offered more than Houston..Ur word don't exactly cut it..I think u are completely wrong on this...
No team could offer more than NY could match....that is all you need to know.
Does not matter if they offer a deal or not the power was THEIRS.
And you have to stop believing media hype, no one from the Knicks management said they'll match anything.
Find a Knick official who said this.
The coach does not cut the checks or sign the agreements.
Grunwald said "they could if they wanted to".
Before we get into who said what...Let's clear up the math, You do realize 24 mil over 3 years is more money than 24 mil over 4 years???
Irrelevant....they can match whatever is offered.Quit dodging your very first point, address that point first.
You said the Knicks offered no contract because they couldn't offer more than others could....false.
What is relevant is that estimates on the cost of year three of that contract with where it would put the Knicks cap wise was an actual 45-60 mil just for Lin. Morey isn't stupid he structured the contract so that it was almost impossible to match.
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.
But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?
Bro u are absolutely confusing me...So what was all the posturing by Woody about when he said he would match anything...If the Knicks could have offer Lin more money, then this is certainly news to me...Then u are right, I don't understand what was going on...But u might have to provide proof the Knicks could have offered more than Houston..Ur word don't exactly cut it..I think u are completely wrong on this...
No team could offer more than NY could match....that is all you need to know.
Does not matter if they offer a deal or not the power was THEIRS.
And you have to stop believing media hype, no one from the Knicks management said they'll match anything.
Find a Knick official who said this.
The coach does not cut the checks or sign the agreements.
Grunwald said "they could if they wanted to".
Before we get into who said what...Let's clear up the math, You do realize 24 mil over 3 years is more money than 24 mil over 4 years???
Actually, it's the same money - it just comes one year quicker!
hahah...Is this a joke, am I being tooled??
it is the same money, he just got it quicker.
CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.
But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?
Bro u are absolutely confusing me...So what was all the posturing by Woody about when he said he would match anything...If the Knicks could have offer Lin more money, then this is certainly news to me...Then u are right, I don't understand what was going on...But u might have to provide proof the Knicks could have offered more than Houston..Ur word don't exactly cut it..I think u are completely wrong on this...
No team could offer more than NY could match....that is all you need to know.
Does not matter if they offer a deal or not the power was THEIRS.
And you have to stop believing media hype, no one from the Knicks management said they'll match anything.
Find a Knick official who said this.
The coach does not cut the checks or sign the agreements.
Grunwald said "they could if they wanted to".
Before we get into who said what...Let's clear up the math, You do realize 24 mil over 3 years is more money than 24 mil over 4 years???
Irrelevant....they can match whatever is offered.Quit dodging your very first point, address that point first.
You said the Knicks offered no contract because they couldn't offer more than others could....false.
What is relevant is that estimates on the cost of year three of that contract with where it would put the Knicks cap wise was an actual 45-60 mil just for Lin. Morey isn't stupid he structured the contract so that it was almost impossible to match.
All true, but we have to first understand the the same money over three years is preferable than four years...
