Bonn1997 wrote:"Moron Morey" has the lowest paid, youngest team in the league playing at above .500 in the west. What's that? Just luck?
Yup. Unless you thought they would do this well beforehand.
Bonn1997 wrote:"Moron Morey" has the lowest paid, youngest team in the league playing at above .500 in the west. What's that? Just luck?
Yea pretty much. Check out their conference record(5-12). Most of March and April will mark their demise.
Loyalty? Is that a joke. No one offered him a contract he would have totally taken the money. Let's not act like this guy is some outstanding citizen because he's playing great ball. He also started extremely slow, JR is what he is a, Crawford type that is going to be really good or really bad.
I think one thing we should all remember is not to get ahead of ourselves. For all the hype, without a waiver wire pickup at point guard midseason, the knicks go into a death spiral and miss the playoffs. We have one playoff victory with this team. The Knicks need to do something this year in the playoffs, by all accounts it looks like they will. But, this team is on the cusp of being past it's prime in year one.
We are a better team than the rockets now, but Asik is very comparable to chandler at this team. Harden is as good a scorer as Melo right now at 23 years old while Melo is 28.
Harden 26pts 5.2ast 4.5rbs 1.8stl 17.2 shots
Melo 28.5pts 1.9ast 6.2rbs 1.0stl 20.7 shots
After this year who know about Kidd and Camby, no Wallace, does Amare stay healthy, does JR resign, is shumpert the player he was. We ahve no draft picks.
Our future rest's on Raymond Felton.
dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote: i just don't like players who are not aware that they are not as good as the hype. i don't like bryant either for the same reason. there's confidence and then there's conceitedness. he believes in his own hype and he plays like it.
What hype exactly? Before this season, barely anyone outside of NY thought Melo was any good due to the team's struggles at the time. If you add the fact that fans like TKF and yourself never thought he was that good to begin with, then there really wasnt much hype for him to believe in was it? If you're talking about this year's hype then I still dont see the problem since you just said that he is playing very well (though you attribute it solely to his 3 point shooting).
the stern-era nba is nothing if not a hype-machine. part of that machine is being grossly compensated and being surrounded by handlers, yes men, posses, etc. carmelo has been immersed in this nba hype-machine culture his entire life. think about that for a second-- his entire life he has been spoon fed the nba, inundated by the nba, and eventually immersed in the nba.
fans are not immune to the hype-machine. far from it. carmelo anthony has been similarly lauded for an all-star career and making the playoffs every year of his career by a majority of new york fans. that he has been a hugely divisive figure is proof of the extreme feelings... not the exactly what you are conveying here.
You can take out Carmelo and substitute it with several other players in the NBA and that paragraph would still hold true. But you're saying what makes him a "vain douche" is that he believes hes good at basketball?
As for your other point, it doesnt really apply to me. As you can see from my username, I dont like to attribute a teams success to one individual (unless that actually is the case like Lebron's Cavs). Basketball is still a team sport. But that "hype-machine" you're referring to is still a little confusing to me. Until recently, Stern has long since abandoned trying to hype up Melo so is the hype just Knicks fans?
Melo is now part of the hype machine? Dude can't even draw fouls.
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MS wrote:Loyalty? Is that a joke. No one offered him a contract he would have totally taken the money. Let's not act like this guy is some outstanding citizen because he's playing great ball. He also started extremely slow, JR is what he is a, Crawford type that is going to be really good or really bad.
Citizenship does not win basketball games. Courage and skill does. Early in his career, John Starks was never a model citizen on the court and he would head butt you in a heartbeat. He could go hot and cold and we loved him for it. Some still do.
JR Smith is playing the best basketball of his career for reasons apart from this just being a "hot" flash. Players do not go "really good" or "really bad" on defense. You either give effort on defense or you don't. You either can hit the open man with a bounce pass in traffic or your cannot. JR has been doing things, other than scoring, which the MS's deliberately overlook.
Better coaches make players better. Take another look at the present.
It's been two months. He's playing better under Woodsen and his game is much more well rounded.
Career highs in minutes, rbs and assists. He's made some big shots this month. Just to be fair he's shooting .395% on 17.2 shots this month.
.413% 18th among shooting guards
33.1 minutes 10th among shooting guards.
9th in scoring
Duralast
MS - statistics are nice. Heart cannot be measured. You conveniently overlooked the multiple hellacious falls that JR has absorbed on his way to the rack. Every time he gets back up. There is a valid reason why NBA players shot jumpers... going inside repeatedly will get you punished, beat up ... or a career ended with just one awkward landing. Mr. Smith has been aggressive and always gathered himself to stay in the lineup.
Has JR missed any games due to injury?
ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:"Moron Morey" has the lowest paid, youngest team in the league playing at above .500 in the west. What's that? Just luck?
Yea pretty much. Check out their conference record(5-12). Most of March and April will mark their demise.
Small sample? They're 16-14. Their opponents' winning % is .541 and their scoring margin is +1.43. That combination puts them at 6th best in the league according to Hollinger (http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings). (Nuggets 4th and us 9th, BTW.) I don't think they are actually the 6th best team in the league but they're playing very well for such a young team. They're only going to get better.
The schedule makers knew this behorehand. Pad Houston with a lot of games that were winnable.
There is no doubt in my mind a team that likes to run would be trouble against teams in the east.
But what do they do in their own conference? Nothing.
Bonn1997 wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:"Moron Morey" has the lowest paid, youngest team in the league playing at above .500 in the west. What's that? Just luck?
Yea pretty much. Check out their conference record(5-12). Most of March and April will mark their demise.
Small sample? They're 16-14. Their opponents' winning % is .541 and their scoring margin is +1.43. That combination puts them at 6th best in the league according to Hollinger (http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings). (Nuggets 4th and us 9th, BTW.) I don't think they are actually the 6th best team in the league but they're playing very well for such a young team. They're only going to get better.
Could you possibly unearth a stat that has the Nuggs in first place and sweeping their way to a chip? Please?
jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:"Moron Morey" has the lowest paid, youngest team in the league playing at above .500 in the west. What's that? Just luck?
Yea pretty much. Check out their conference record(5-12). Most of March and April will mark their demise.
Small sample? They're 16-14. Their opponents' winning % is .541 and their scoring margin is +1.43. That combination puts them at 6th best in the league according to Hollinger (http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings). (Nuggets 4th and us 9th, BTW.) I don't think they are actually the 6th best team in the league but they're playing very well for such a young team. They're only going to get better.
Could you possibly unearth a stat that has the Nuggs in first place and sweeping their way to a chip? Please?
I'd rather go with current, validated stats than unearth what you're asking for.
I'm not saying the Rockets or Nuggets are actually better than but you seem to be downplaying the difference between your opponents having a winning % around .550 (Houston, Denver) and in the .470s (Knicks).
The fact that you somehow manage to return almost any conversation to .470 is both ironic and classic.
Are you in charge of the universal control spreadsheet? 
Bonn1997 wrote:I'm not saying the Rockets or Nuggets are actually better than but you seem to be downplaying the difference between your opponents having a winning % around .550 (Houston, Denver) and in the .470s (Knicks).
I think you're overplaying it.
Sometimes its strictly about matchups...no science
knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I'm not saying the Rockets or Nuggets are actually better than but you seem to be downplaying the difference between your opponents having a winning % around .550 (Houston, Denver) and in the .470s (Knicks).
I think you're overplaying it.
Sometimes its strictly about matchups...no science
Bonn, overplaying it? Nahhhhhhhhh
I'm busy trying to get analyis/comparisons on the delta percentage of point differential between Knick wins and losses against teams that are above .500 during the middle part of each week. With extra cheese for back to back games.
Hopefully that will put our 21-9 record in some sort of realistic light. We just can't be the second best team in our conference. It's not physically possible! I mean, 1/3 of the season is over already! And we even have the Wiz and the Hobcats! They won't even qualify for the NBDL playoffs!
Give me some .500 team that's 7th best in their conference, but with cap space and potential! And youth! We likes youth!
knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:"Moron Morey" has the lowest paid, youngest team in the league playing at above .500 in the west. What's that? Just luck?
Yup. Unless you thought they would do this well beforehand.
Huh? What I thought beforehand has nothing to do with whether luck is what's causing their success. Nevertheless, I've been calling Harden a legit max-contract superstar for about 2 years now and did think they'd do well once they got him.
TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote: i just don't like players who are not aware that they are not as good as the hype. i don't like bryant either for the same reason. there's confidence and then there's conceitedness. he believes in his own hype and he plays like it.
What hype exactly? Before this season, barely anyone outside of NY thought Melo was any good due to the team's struggles at the time. If you add the fact that fans like TKF and yourself never thought he was that good to begin with, then there really wasnt much hype for him to believe in was it? If you're talking about this year's hype then I still dont see the problem since you just said that he is playing very well (though you attribute it solely to his 3 point shooting).
the stern-era nba is nothing if not a hype-machine. part of that machine is being grossly compensated and being surrounded by handlers, yes men, posses, etc. carmelo has been immersed in this nba hype-machine culture his entire life. think about that for a second-- his entire life he has been spoon fed the nba, inundated by the nba, and eventually immersed in the nba.
fans are not immune to the hype-machine. far from it. carmelo anthony has been similarly lauded for an all-star career and making the playoffs every year of his career by a majority of new york fans. that he has been a hugely divisive figure is proof of the extreme feelings... not the exactly what you are conveying here.
You can take out Carmelo and substitute it with several other players in the NBA and that paragraph would still hold true. But you're saying what makes him a "vain douche" is that he believes hes good at basketball?As for your other point, it doesnt really apply to me. As you can see from my username, I dont like to attribute a teams success to one individual (unless that actually is the case like Lebron's Cavs). Basketball is still a team sport. But that "hype-machine" you're referring to is still a little confusing to me. Until recently, Stern has long since abandoned trying to hype up Melo so is the hype just Knicks fans?
he is a good basketball player-- let's start there. but what i have been saying is that he believes he is better than he actually is, and plays as though he is better than he actually is. this has been a problem his entire career so far as i a concerned-- again my opinion. you can't have a "usage rate"/"ast rate" ratio like carmelo's and not come across as a selfish player. this season alone it's a whopping 3:1. this season his assist average is at a career low. during his most successful season do you know what that ratio was? 1.66:1 in 2008-2009.
you have a wonderful username. as you probably know i treasure teamwork and defense. let me ask you this: do you believe that melo thinks he makes others around him better on either end of the court? or a different question: do you believe that melo makes others around him better on either end of the court?
knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I'm not saying the Rockets or Nuggets are actually better than but you seem to be downplaying the difference between your opponents having a winning % around .550 (Houston, Denver) and in the .470s (Knicks).
I think you're overplaying it.
Sometimes its strictly about matchups...no science
What is a "non-scientific matchup" explanation and how does it relate to the discussion?
How much weight do you think a difference of almost .100 points in opponents winning percentage should be given?
What am I overplaying? I simply cited Hollinger's rankings. Did you mean that Hollinger is overplaying strength of schedule?
When you get done its matchups.
