Knicks · Carmelo Shoots Too Much. Give Thanks We Are Not The Lakers (page 2)

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.

he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well

he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.

DO YOU REALLY think prolific? wow.. let me ask you this.. is lebron a prolific scorer? most don't view him that way.. yet he is the fastest to 20k points.. came in the same year as carmelo, yet lebron is over 20K points while carmelo hasn't reached 17k yet I think..... just saying...

i think he is a great STREAK scorer.. not sure if I would add prolific.. he has always been good, but never great, at one point we can say T-mac, Iverson, Kobe, were prolific scorers it seems.. in carmelo's best year, we are talking 29ppg those guys cracked that with ease.. Durant is prolific...

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.

he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well

he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.

I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.

I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.

Must be the Bonn effect.

Better increase my meds.

Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.

But real talk.....Melo is shooing too damn much.

Worst part about it is he can't see it because he insulted by single coverage.

Teams don't mind Melo shooting.

See my post above, or just let me know if this makes any sense to you:

Compare that with the Nuggets game on 12/9, where Melo shot 5 of 7 in the 4th and was 1 of 3 from 3.
Compare that with the Nyets game on 12/11, where Melo shot 5 of 6 in the 4th and was 1 of 1 from 3.
Compare that with the Wolves game on 12/23, where Melo shot 5 of 8 in the 4th and was 1 of 2 from 3.
Compare that with the Magic game on 1/5, where Melo shot 7 of 11 in the 4th and was 1 of 4 from 3.

maybe this might make sense to you......

Last 10 games....31 ppg on 25 shots...41% from the field, even the threes are falling less, and that's with more attempts.

That's a far cry from what he doing early on.

His assists have gone up, and usually when he passes the team makes a better run like when he was feeding amare left and right.

Just using your own games against you look how far you had to go back just to find meaningful 4th quarters from him.

That's over a month ago, times have changed, Melo's offense has turned sour.

And again, in response to the original Melohate theory:

1/10 against the Pacers; no Melo in the 4th quarter.
1/7 against the Celts; oh, the Honeynuts; 2/10, 2 of 7 from 3.<----nice of Mr. Taylor not to cherry pick this game.
1/1 against the Blazers, 5/8, 1 of 2 from 3. Yes, definitely Melo shooting too much in the 4th. I mean, who wants to be shooting .625 in the 4th anyway, right?
12/28 against the Kings, no Melo in the 4th quarter.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.

he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well

he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.

I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.

I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.

Must be the Bonn effect.

Better increase my meds.

Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.

there's strong evidence that they shouldn't

jrodmc wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.

he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well

he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.

I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.

I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.

Must be the Bonn effect.

Better increase my meds.

Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.

But real talk.....Melo is shooing too damn much.

Worst part about it is he can't see it because he insulted by single coverage.

Teams don't mind Melo shooting.

See my post above, or just let me know if this makes any sense to you:

Compare that with the Nuggets game on 12/9, where Melo shot 5 of 7 in the 4th and was 1 of 3 from 3.
Compare that with the Nyets game on 12/11, where Melo shot 5 of 6 in the 4th and was 1 of 1 from 3.
Compare that with the Wolves game on 12/23, where Melo shot 5 of 8 in the 4th and was 1 of 2 from 3.
Compare that with the Magic game on 1/5, where Melo shot 7 of 11 in the 4th and was 1 of 4 from 3.

maybe this might make sense to you......

Last 10 games....31 ppg on 25 shots...41% from the field, even the threes are falling less, and that's with more attempts.

That's a far cry from what he doing early on.

His assists have gone up, and usually when he passes the team makes a better run like when he was feeding amare left and right.

Just using your own games against you look how far you had to go back just to find meaningful 4th quarters from him.

That's over a month ago, times have changed, Melo's offense has turned sour.

And again, in response to the original Melohate theory:

1/10 against the Pacers; no Melo in the 4th quarter.
1/7 against the Celts; oh, the Honeynuts; 2/10, 2 of 7 from 3.<----nice of Mr. Taylor not to cherry pick this game.
1/1 against the Blazers, 5/8, 1 of 2 from 3. Yes, definitely Melo shooting too much in the 4th. I mean, who wants to be shooting .625 in the 4th anyway, right?
12/28 against the Kings, no Melo in the 4th quarter.

Maybe I'm slow but what's the significance of point out 1/1...didn't we lose that game? And if i recall correctly, we lost that game primarily due to rebounding, and it was actually pretty sad that JR had more boards than our starting frontcourt individually.

12/28...no melo in the fourth because there was no Melo at all.

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.

he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well

he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.

I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.

I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.

Must be the Bonn effect.

Better increase my meds.

Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.

there's strong evidence that they shouldn't

lol.. true.. again, I am a big fan of the eye test tho.. but I use stats to validate what I am seeing..

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.

he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well

he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.

I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.

I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.

Must be the Bonn effect.

Better increase my meds.

Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.

But real talk.....Melo is shooing too damn much.

Worst part about it is he can't see it because he insulted by single coverage.

Teams don't mind Melo shooting.

See my post above, or just let me know if this makes any sense to you:

Compare that with the Nuggets game on 12/9, where Melo shot 5 of 7 in the 4th and was 1 of 3 from 3.
Compare that with the Nyets game on 12/11, where Melo shot 5 of 6 in the 4th and was 1 of 1 from 3.
Compare that with the Wolves game on 12/23, where Melo shot 5 of 8 in the 4th and was 1 of 2 from 3.
Compare that with the Magic game on 1/5, where Melo shot 7 of 11 in the 4th and was 1 of 4 from 3.

maybe this might make sense to you......

Last 10 games....31 ppg on 25 shots...41% from the field, even the threes are falling less, and that's with more attempts.

That's a far cry from what he doing early on.

His assists have gone up, and usually when he passes the team makes a better run like when he was feeding amare left and right.

Just using your own games against you look how far you had to go back just to find meaningful 4th quarters from him.

That's over a month ago, times have changed, Melo's offense has turned sour.

And again, in response to the original Melohate theory:

1/10 against the Pacers; no Melo in the 4th quarter.
1/7 against the Celts; oh, the Honeynuts; 2/10, 2 of 7 from 3.<----nice of Mr. Taylor not to cherry pick this game.
1/1 against the Blazers, 5/8, 1 of 2 from 3. Yes, definitely Melo shooting too much in the 4th. I mean, who wants to be shooting .625 in the 4th anyway, right?
12/28 against the Kings, no Melo in the 4th quarter.

1/10....Melo didn't even play that game...maybe we win if he wasn't suspended.
The Boston game may have been an alltime low for his career due to his actions, which of course he was shooting like crap the whole game, not just the fourth.

Maybe I'm slow but what's the significance of point out 1/1...didn't we lose that game? And if i recall correctly, we lost that game primarily due to rebounding, and it was actually pretty sad that JR had more boards than our starting frontcourt individually.

12/28...no melo in the fourth because there was no Melo at all.

The point is, these are all losses where Melo had little to no shooting in the 4th quarter (Celts game the lone exception). Not great evidence for "Melo shooting too much in the 4th = Knicks lose"

My point is, the media even supports mindless Melo hate.
Maybe I should just join the Somberites.... Nahhhhhhh

jrodmc wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.

he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well

he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.

I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.

I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.

Must be the Bonn effect.

Better increase my meds.

Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.

But real talk.....Melo is shooing too damn much.

Worst part about it is he can't see it because he insulted by single coverage.

Teams don't mind Melo shooting.

See my post above, or just let me know if this makes any sense to you:

Compare that with the Nuggets game on 12/9, where Melo shot 5 of 7 in the 4th and was 1 of 3 from 3.
Compare that with the Nyets game on 12/11, where Melo shot 5 of 6 in the 4th and was 1 of 1 from 3.
Compare that with the Wolves game on 12/23, where Melo shot 5 of 8 in the 4th and was 1 of 2 from 3.
Compare that with the Magic game on 1/5, where Melo shot 7 of 11 in the 4th and was 1 of 4 from 3.

maybe this might make sense to you......

Last 10 games....31 ppg on 25 shots...41% from the field, even the threes are falling less, and that's with more attempts.

That's a far cry from what he doing early on.

His assists have gone up, and usually when he passes the team makes a better run like when he was feeding amare left and right.

Just using your own games against you look how far you had to go back just to find meaningful 4th quarters from him.

That's over a month ago, times have changed, Melo's offense has turned sour.

And again, in response to the original Melohate theory:

1/10 against the Pacers; no Melo in the 4th quarter.
1/7 against the Celts; oh, the Honeynuts; 2/10, 2 of 7 from 3.<----nice of Mr. Taylor not to cherry pick this game.
1/1 against the Blazers, 5/8, 1 of 2 from 3. Yes, definitely Melo shooting too much in the 4th. I mean, who wants to be shooting .625 in the 4th anyway, right?
12/28 against the Kings, no Melo in the 4th quarter.

1/10....Melo didn't even play that game...maybe we win if he wasn't suspended.
The Boston game may have been an alltime low for his career due to his actions, which of course he was shooting like crap the whole game, not just the fourth.

Maybe I'm slow but what's the significance of point out 1/1...didn't we lose that game? And if i recall correctly, we lost that game primarily due to rebounding, and it was actually pretty sad that JR had more boards than our starting frontcourt individually.

12/28...no melo in the fourth because there was no Melo at all.

The point is, these are all losses where Melo had little to no shooting in the 4th quarter (Celts game the lone exception). Not great evidence for "Melo shooting too much in the 4th = Knicks lose"

My point is, the media even supports mindless Melo hate.
Maybe I should just join the Somberites.... Nahhhhhhh

Melo having poor shooting fourth quarters is a problem of late, Melo not playing in games at all is a problem as well, and if he doesn't play at all that obviously affects the FOURTH quarter, since he is even available to play.

DJMUSIC wrote:The Melodrama ends with R.Felton return

yes. Then the Felton drama begins.

Prigioni's toe does not qualify as drama.

However, Amar'es drama is nothing like Dwight Howard's drama.

Or is that D'Antoni Drama?

I think it's

Knicks offense has no other options working other than Melo = predictable, easy to defend offense (especially against good teams) = Knicks lose

If:

- the pick and roll with Chandler is working
- Amare is beasting on post ups
- We're using movement off the ball and ball movement to get Novak, Copeland, Kidd open 3s

then we don't need to resort to Melo iso every time down

Nate Taylor is not one of those writers that does a lot of research and digs deep into the data or film to draw his conclusions.

Vmart wrote:I don't mind if Melo shoots a lot but his shots need to have purpose for me he has to shoot 50% from the floor. He misses a lot of layups and this can't happen superstar rarely miss layups. Shoot with purpose a lot of times he is jacking shots up. He doesn't get calls because he wears the bulk flack jacket under his uniform. That screams to the refs that he is looking for contact and when he gets contact the refs let it ride because of the the jacket. Lose the flack jacket or make it less obvious and he gets to the line more often.

Would love to see Melo join the 50/40/90 club.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:I don't think it's Melo shooting too much in 4th = Knicks lose

I think it's

Knicks offense has no other options working other than Melo = predictable, easy to defend offense (especially against good teams) = Knicks lose

If:

- the pick and roll with Chandler is working
- Amare is beasting on post ups
- We're using movement off the ball and ball movement to get Novak, Copeland, Kidd open 3s

then we don't need to resort to Melo iso every time down

Nate Taylor is not one of those writers that does a lot of research and digs deep into the data or film to draw his conclusions.

+1 Will save me posts in the future.

mrKnickShot wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:The Melodrama ends with R.Felton return

yes. Then the Felton drama begins.

Yeah but it's better to win and be made at Felton. I miss arguing about how Felton needs to imorove if we really want to win.

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.

he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well

he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.

I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.

I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.

Must be the Bonn effect.

Better increase my meds.

Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.

But real talk.....Melo is shooing too damn much.

Worst part about it is he can't see it because he insulted by single coverage.

Teams don't mind Melo shooting.

are you serious? You're saying Melo doesn't get doubled?...

and just so we're clear, yes I'm aware that Melo's not playing as well of late as he did earlier on in the season, but it's not only him, it's the whole team.
Melo's shots are not as good as earlier and are lately in larger numbers because 1) He needs to do it since we often look like we don't have a clue about what to do on offense and 2) he doesn't get as many good shots due to us not having a PG that's actualy able to run past a defender and create some space.

Felton isn't one of the best PGs in the game, but his importance to this team becomes noticable when he's out. I like Felton and I wouldn't want to get rid of him, but it's more like we're missing that part of our game rather than a specific player.

Couple our PGs inabilities to get past a man with us having 2 centers out and only having to rely on Chandler to tip missed shots back out and there's your problem.

What I'm trying to say is that yes, Melo isn't currently at his best, and part of it is on him, but it's hardly all on him.

We finaly got a perimiter defender back and our defense has looked much better, we're going to get Felton back soon and our offense will get better (even if Felton will still frustrate us sometimes with his ill advised shots), and when we get Camby/Sheed back (hopefully for good) our rebounding is going to improve as well.

There are definitely improvements to be made, but I'm not looking at this Knicks team as the finished article so that is to be expected, and if I'm being quite honest with the amount of injuries the Knicks have had I'd say Woodson and Melo have led this team to a pretty darn good record.

IF the Knicks won't be cursed by injuries the whole season then I expect them to have an even stronger 2nd half of the season.

EDIT: One thing I'd also like to add. With Felton playing we won't be burning out Jason Kidd anymore. And it's very apparent that he's much more efficient when not being forced to play heavy minutes.

Not all of the Knicks woes are going to be solved by the return of their starting point guard – hopefully on Saturday when they face the 76ers - but they should get better.

The question of how much better hinges on New York showing a commitment to defense that hasn’t yet been shown. While the offense might not be top five level good on a consistent basis, when they shoot a quality percentage from three, it will rise to that tier. On night’s when there are no three fingers to the dome or discount double checks can they lock down defensively to keep piling up the wins?

- TheKnicksWall

Carmelo and JR shoot a combined 14-46 and we still win, in Boston

Spread the ball

OGkush121 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.

he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well

he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.

I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.

I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.

Must be the Bonn effect.

Better increase my meds.

Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.

But real talk.....Melo is shooing too damn much.

Worst part about it is he can't see it because he insulted by single coverage.

Teams don't mind Melo shooting.

are you serious? You're saying Melo doesn't get doubled?...

Of course, why would teams mind someone scoring 20+ every night on them. Better to keep Novak and Cope quiet, right?
SMH

The forum is descending back down into the bizarro scale.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:I don't think it's Melo shooting too much in 4th = Knicks lose

I think it's

Knicks offense has no other options working other than Melo = predictable, easy to defend offense (especially against good teams) = Knicks lose

If:

- the pick and roll with Chandler is working
- Amare is beasting on post ups
- We're using movement off the ball and ball movement to get Novak, Copeland, Kidd open 3s

then we don't need to resort to Melo iso every time down

Nate Taylor is not one of those writers that does a lot of research and digs deep into the data or film to draw his conclusions.

yeah it's a shame. you'd think the NY Times would have been able to find a decent basketball writer who has both a keen eye and an ability to parse the stats, including the advanced stats.

i am not a fan of his knick articles. harvey araton on the other hand is fantastic. howard beck wasn't bad.

jrodmc wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.

he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well

he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.

I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.

I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.

Must be the Bonn effect.

Better increase my meds.

Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.

But real talk.....Melo is shooing too damn much.

Worst part about it is he can't see it because he insulted by single coverage.

Teams don't mind Melo shooting.

are you serious? You're saying Melo doesn't get doubled?...

Please tell me we're not starting the "Melo doesn't see double coverage" argument again?

Of course, why would teams mind someone scoring 20+ every night on them. Better to keep Novak and Cope quiet, right?
SMH

The forum is descending back down into the bizarro scale.

last night rondo guarded him by himself. didn't do too bad.
avery johnson same. didn't do quite so well as rondo.
jeff green same. he looked overmatched so i don't think doc is going to go there again even if it means that pierce has to expend energy doing so.
but paul pierce did guard him solo in spots last night. in the playoffs he will be on melo more i imagine.
chicago's luol deng is big trouble for melo and so is lebron.

we should want to avoid facing any of the bulls, celtics, or heat until the ECF.

Really good is fine, the guy's human. But the really bad is a big problem. Looks at his game log. 25% of his games this year Melo has shot 40% or worse. When you lead the NBA in shot attempts thats a problem. When you get into the playoffs its REALLY a problem. How do you win a playoff series when your most import player puts up so many lemons?

Anyone ever notice Melo's best season shooting the ball (.492) is also the ONLY season he didnt lead his team in shot attempted?